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peacepipe
06-13-2013, 04:37 PM
http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2013-06-13/darrell-issas-irs-investigation-is-falling-apart

But after a burst of attention, Issa’s investigation appears to have stalled. Although he turned up embarrassing material—has any government official been humiliated quite like the IRS commissioner in the dorky video dressed up as Spock ?—Issa hasn’t made the all-important connection to the White House. And he may not be able to. The news this week that he won’t release the full transcripts of his interviews with IRS officials—interviews he selectively quoted from to imply White House complicity—suggests that what they contain may in fact exonerate the administration of the very charge Issa is laboring so hard to prosecute.

So far it's been what I figured.

nyuk nyuk
06-13-2013, 05:47 PM
http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2013-06-13/darrell-issas-irs-investigation-is-falling-apart



So far it's been what I figured.

So you have no problem with the IRS admitting targeting.

Funny; if they targeted black folks like that, I'm quite sure you'd have a problem with it.

:kiss:

peacepipe
06-13-2013, 05:54 PM
So you have no problem with the IRS admitting targeting.

Funny; if they targeted black folks like that, I'm quite sure you'd have a problem with it.

:kiss:

They did back in 2004,but I didn't hear peep from any so called conservatives.

TonyR
06-13-2013, 07:15 PM
Well this certainly isn't going to make Beavis happy...

Rohirrim
06-13-2013, 07:19 PM
Issa is a felon, a liar, and just one more in a long line of little ideological fanatics and McCarthy clones, i.e. a little man trying to slime his way to the top.

cutthemdown
06-13-2013, 11:56 PM
So Issa was a little fast and furious in his younger days but i don't think he ever got convicted of grand theft did he? Everyone loves it when Vin Diesel steals a car.

Amazing man though he is a self made millionaire and everyone has to respect that. Oh i know liberals don't unless you are al gore.

cutthemdown
06-14-2013, 01:25 AM
Turn it over to a special prosecutor as Congress can't get to the bottom of anything. That way Congress can move on but maybe an investigation can drag it on, snag a few more people in its snare, or even uncover who actually was behind it.

peacepipe
06-14-2013, 02:47 AM
Turn it over to a special prosecutor as Congress can't get to the bottom of anything. That way Congress can move on but maybe an investigation can drag it on, snag a few more people in its snare, or even uncover who actually was behind it.
A special prosecutor isn't going to find something that isn't there or couldn't have been found already by congress.

cutthemdown
06-14-2013, 02:56 AM
Sure they could. They have way more push and expertise at it then Issa who is just hoping someone cracks.

BroncoBeavis
06-14-2013, 04:27 AM
They did back in 2004,but I didn't hear peep from any so called conservatives.

If auditing=targeting I guess we have no choice but to disband the IRS. LOL

BroncoBeavis
06-14-2013, 04:36 AM
Well this certainly isn't going to make Beavis happy...

Keep closin that case for the boss Tony. LOL

Who approved the targeting? Oh that's right, still no answer beyond our responsive and accountable government administrators pleadin the fif.

Case Closed though says the fan club president. In reality the whole thing has just been overshadowed by your fan club approved "I know what you did last summer" public safety program. LOL

Pony Boy
06-14-2013, 06:12 AM
A special prosecutor isn't going to find something that isn't there or couldn't have been found already by congress.

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

George Orwell, 1984

houghtam
06-14-2013, 07:57 AM
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

George Orwell, 1984

For someone who supposedly hates socialism, you sure quote Orwell a lot.

Makes me think you really didn't understand the man or his views.

Have you actually read 1984, or are you just doing a Google search for Orwell quotes?

BroncoInferno
06-14-2013, 08:05 AM
For someone who supposedly hates socialism, you sure quote Orwell a lot.

Makes me think you really didn't understand the man or his views.

Have you actually read 1984, or are you just doing a Google search for Orwell quotes?

Yeah, considering Orwell's commitment to Democratic Socialism, it's hilarious to see right-wingers like Pony Boy quoting him as if they're kindred spirits. Put it this way, Orwell would have been more likely to show up at an OWS protest than a Tea Party rally.

houghtam
06-14-2013, 08:10 AM
Yeah, considering Orwell's commitment to Democratic Socialism, it's hilarious to see right-wingers like Pony Boy quoting him as if they're kindred spirits. Put it this way, Orwell would have been more likely to show up at an OWS protest than a Tea Party rally.

And not just that, he was very clear about the class delineation in that novel. Look at the difference in qualilty of life between those in the Outer Party (like Winston) and those in the Inner Party. That is to say, if you're not in the Inner Party, you're not in the Party at all...and the Inner Party constitutes the top 2% of the population.

News flash. That's not you, Pony Boy. Not only is it not you, it's not anyone you have ever known, or will ever know.

There's definitely a party going on, but you're not invited. Keep thinking you'll get there eventually...the joke's on you, though. You just don't realize it.

Requiem
06-14-2013, 08:34 AM
Have you actually read 1984, or are you just doing a Google search for Orwell quotes?

You already know the answer to this question, citizen.

houghtam
06-14-2013, 08:39 AM
You already know the answer to this question, citizen.

Yeah, I kind of figured it was like the errand/nyuk/Dr. Brownstain statements on nazi gun control. Lets take something we think we learned in history class, completely misrepresent it and run with it! No one will EVER notice!

BroncoBeavis
06-14-2013, 08:46 AM
For someone who supposedly hates socialism, you sure quote Orwell a lot.

Makes me think you really didn't understand the man or his views.

Have you actually read 1984, or are you just doing a Google search for Orwell quotes?

I read it somewhere around 8th grade so my memory of it is really rusty.

Thought about downloading it for a read, I doubt I really processed a lot of it back then. Most of us probably know more about it from cultural reference than from the text itself or its author.

houghtam
06-14-2013, 09:01 AM
I read it somewhere around 8th grade so my memory of it is really rusty.

Thought about downloading it for a read, I doubt I really processed a lot of it back then. Most of us probably know more about it from cultural reference than from the text itself or its author.

I read it my first year of college, and have read it at least once a year since. Forgive me if blindly quoting things without realizing their intent grates on my last nerve.

As I said in another post, people are always quick with the Big Brother references, and it's cute, really. But 1984 wasn't about oppressive government so much as it was about the sheep-like populace who allow it to happen. It was also about social hierarchy and class warfare.

But hey, these people on the internet will think I'm awesome if I can take this one quote out of context and apply it to my agenda, even though my agenda goes against pretty much everything the author of that quote stood for.

DenverBrit
06-14-2013, 09:56 AM
It's curious that the far right has taken to quoting their ideological opposite, showing, as usual, they rarely understand what they read.

Gingrich made a total ass of himself demonstrating how he completely misunderstands Orwell and '1984' in attempt to discredit universal healthcare.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/03/08/100308taco_talk_hertzberg

So that there is no doubt about Orwell's political leanings:

"And the only regime which, in the long run, will dare to permit freedom of speech is a Socialist regime."

"One has got to be actively a Socialist, not merely sympathetic to Socialism, or one plays into the hands of our always-active enemies."

George Orwell.

Rohirrim
06-14-2013, 10:06 AM
It's curious that the far right has taken to quoting their ideological opposite, showing, as usual, they rarely understand what they read.

Gingrich made a total ass of himself demonstrating how he completely misunderstands Orwell and '1984' in attempt to discredit universal healthcare.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/03/08/100308taco_talk_hertzberg

So that there is no doubt about Orwell's political leanings:

"And the only regime which, in the long run, will dare to permit freedom of speech is a Socialist regime."

"One has got to be actively a Socialist, not merely sympathetic to Socialism, or one plays into the hands of our always-active enemies."

George Orwell.

Ooops! :rofl:

Rohirrim
06-14-2013, 10:09 AM
I read it my first year of college, and have read it at least once a year since. Forgive me if blindly quoting things without realizing their intent grates on my last nerve.

As I said in another post, people are always quick with the Big Brother references, and it's cute, really. But 1984 wasn't about oppressive government so much as it was about the sheep-like populace who allow it to happen. It was also about social hierarchy and class warfare.

But hey, these people on the internet will think I'm awesome if I can take this one quote out of context and apply it to my agenda, even though my agenda goes against pretty much everything the author of that quote stood for.

Is Big Brother more likely to manifest in a blended, corporate/militarized state, or in one that has nationalized health care, education and a safety net?

BroncoBeavis
06-14-2013, 10:16 AM
It's curious that the far right has taken to quoting their ideological opposite, showing, as usual, they rarely understand what they read.

It's really kind of a strange thing when people assign so much credibility to a work of fiction. I'm not saying it's not important. There are important concepts represented in there, and in Orwell's life and beliefs. But those principles should be able to stand on their own, and be defended on their own account.

Orwell didn't make privacy and individuality important. He simply saw that it was and painted a picture of it. He saw what many of us see. I think at the end of the day, works like 1984 get the status they do because allegory and parable is easier than philosophy.

BroncoBeavis
06-14-2013, 10:25 AM
Is Big Brother more likely to manifest in a blended, corporate/militarized state, or in one that has nationalized health care, education and a safety net?

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

DenverBrit
06-14-2013, 10:39 AM
It's really kind of a strange thing when people assign so much credibility to a work of fiction. I'm not saying it's not important. There are important concepts represented in there, and in Orwell's life and beliefs. But those principles should be able to stand on their own, and be defended on their own account.

Orwell didn't make privacy and individuality important. He simply saw that it was and painted a picture of it. He saw what many of us see. I think at the end of the day, works like 1984 get the status they do because allegory and parable is easier than philosophy.

It was an anti totalitarian work seen through the eyes of a lifelong Democratic Socialist. He was anti fascist and associated fascism with capitalism, so I find him an odd choice for the far right to be quoting.

Fascism, at any rate the German version, is a form of capitalism that borrows from Socialism just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes.

George Orwell, The Lion and the Unicorn (1941)


Gingrich completely missed the mark and showed his ignorance.....for the umpteenth time. He should have stuck with a fellow loon like Ayn Rand. :)

gunns
06-14-2013, 10:58 AM
So Issa was a little fast and furious in his younger days but i don't think he ever got convicted of grand theft did he? Everyone loves it when Vin Diesel steals a car.

Amazing man though he is a self made millionaire and everyone has to respect that. Oh i know liberals don't unless you are al gore.

Oh I think there is at least one self made millionaire that Gore doesn't respect, David Siegel. Of course Siegel is questioning his tactics also now. Hilarious!

TonyR
06-14-2013, 10:58 AM
The current manifestion of "the right" doesn't even understand Ronald Reagan, let alone George Orwell.

El Minion
06-14-2013, 10:59 AM
It's really kind of a strange thing when people assign so much credibility to a work of fiction. I'm not saying it's not important. There are important concepts represented in there, and in Orwell's life and beliefs. But those principles should be able to stand on their own, and be defended on their own account.

Orwell didn't make privacy and individuality important. He simply saw that it was and painted a picture of it. He saw what many of us see. I think at the end of the day, works like 1984 get the status they do because allegory and parable is easier than philosophy.

Welcome to the Republican Party.

http://cdn.www.carm.org/images/bible6.jpg

Rohirrim
06-14-2013, 10:59 AM
It was an anti totalitarian work seen through the eyes of a lifelong Democratic Socialist. He was anti fascist and associated fascism with capitalism, so I find him an odd choice for the far right to be quoting.



Gingrich completely missed the mark and showed his ignorance.....for the umpteenth time. He should have stuck with a fellow loon like Ayn Rand. :)

To get to Ayn Rand's level, you'd have to soak your brain in booze for twenty years.

TonyR
06-14-2013, 11:01 AM
Welcome to the Republican Party.

http://cdn.www.carm.org/images/bible6.jpg

ZING!!!

houghtam
06-14-2013, 11:13 AM
Welcome to the Republican Party.

http://cdn.www.carm.org/images/bible6.jpg

Gold.

:yayaya:

BroncoBeavis
06-14-2013, 12:13 PM
Welcome to the Republican Party.

http://cdn.www.carm.org/images/bible6.jpg

You know the funny thing is I specifically thought about mentioning how Brit's characterization of Pony Boy sounded a lot like some of the tards you see spouting Bible verses from anti-Christian websites without having any clue what they really mean.

But I was trying to avoid the stupid pissing match. Guess I should know better. :)

DenverBrit
06-14-2013, 06:47 PM
You know the funny thing is I specifically thought about mentioning how Brit's characterization of Pony Boy sounded a lot like some of the tards you see spouting Bible verses from anti-Christian websites without having any clue what they really mean.

But I was trying to avoid the stupid pissing match. Guess I should know better. :)

I don't recall mentioning Pony, let alone 'characterizing' him. You can only be talking about this post and my comment about Gingrich.

It's curious that the far right has taken to quoting their ideological opposite, showing, as usual, they rarely understand what they read.

Gingrich made a total ass of himself demonstrating how he completely misunderstands Orwell and '1984' in attempt to discredit universal healthcare.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/03/08/100308taco_talk_hertzberg

The rest of your post makes no sense at all. How unusual. ;D