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Taco John
05-14-2013, 11:11 PM
The day the Obama administration went all Nixon on us

Attytood spoiler: That day was May 7, 2012...but first a quick history lesson.

Sigh...I know, I know, I write too much about the late 1960s and early 1970s, but this time it's really important. Because today that is the rallying cry for any presidential scandal, that this one is "worse than Watergate." But the Watergate break-in happened 41 years ago, which means that more than half of all Americans weren't even born yet, so you can't blame a lot of voters if they don't know much about what Watergate and the related scandals of Richard Milhous Nixon were all about.

One of the biggest drivers of Watergate was the seemingly unending war in Vietnam. As opposition increased to a foreign war that ultimately killed 58,000 Americans, for goals that were murky at best, so did government paranoia. At the core of Watergate was a team of shady operatives that were nicknamed "the White House Plumbers" -- because they went after news leaks...get it? In May 1969, after news reports about U.S. bombing activities in Cambodia, Nixon and his then-national security adviser Henry Kissinger enlisted J. Edgar Hoover's FBI to wiretap journalists and national security aides.

Later, one of the worst governmental abuses occurred after whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg leaked the massive Pentagon Papers that exposed governmental lies about the conduct of the war in Vietnam. Nixon's "Plumbers" broke into the office of Ellsberg's psychiatrist to dig up dirt to discredit him. Here is what one of Nixon's former aides, Egil Krogh, wrote about it in 2007:

The premise of our action was the strongly held view within certain precincts of the White House that the president and those functioning on his behalf could carry out illegal acts with impunity if they were convinced that the nation’s security demanded it. As President Nixon himself said to David Frost during an interview six years later, “When the president does it, that means it is not illegal.” To this day the implications of this statement are staggering.


No doubt. Luckily for America, not everyone agreed. Over the next couple of years, criminal charges against Ellsberg were tossed because of the government's misconduct, and Nixon resigned facing certain impeachment over the activities of his Plumbers and the ensuing, elaborate cover-up. The nation mostly rejoiced. The system worked...for a while.

Flash forward to 2012. America had at that point been in an undefined "war on terror" for 11 years -- the same amount of time from the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident that greatly expanded the Vietnam War to the 1975 fall of Saigon. Just as during the 1960s and early 1970s, this terror war had provided government with an excuse to greatly expand its domestic spying on American citizens -- some of that through a law called the Patriot Act and some of it even more dubious, constitutionally.

Then, on May 7, 2012, the Associated Press published an article about the Obama administration's conduct of its war in a country that we'd never declared war on (it was Cambodia in 1969, but Yemen in 2012) and Obama's Justice Department -- for reasons not yet fully known -- went crazy over the leak. This, then, is a reminder of why history matters so much.

Because if we're not careful...it repeats:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.


The records obtained by the Justice Department listed outgoing calls for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, for general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and for the main number for the AP in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP. It was not clear if the records also included incoming calls or the duration of the calls.


In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.


The AP's CEO said tonight that "[t]here can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters" -- and I could not agree with him more. This revelation is deeply troubling -- and has the makings of a major scandal. Sure, you could try to mitigate it by noting, fairly, that accessing these phone records isn't as bad as wiretapping. But that is small solace, indeed. There's every reason to believe that Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on this unwarranted assault on the First Amendment, and if so, he ought to be canned (hasn't he overstayed his welcome, anyway?). Also, you might try to excuse this as a one-off, an ill-advised but isolated incident.

Except that it's not.

Since the day he took office, the Obama administration has undertaken an assault on government whistleblowers -- people informing citizens of what their government doesn't want them to know -- that surpasses anything that Nixon or any other president has done. Since 2009, the Obama administration has brought espionage charges against six whistleblowers. And most of these whistleblowers have been criticizing that way that America conducts its neverending war of the 21st Century. One, Thomas Drake, blew the whistle on the illegal warrantless wiretapping that began under George W. Bush. John Kiriakou dropped the dime on illegal U.S. torture -- and was sent away to prison, even as the perpetrators of torture from Dick Cheney to John Yoo continue to walk freely among us.

Nixon had Daniel Ellsberg, and Obama has Bradley Manning of Wikileaks. OK, so they didn't break into the office of Manning's psychiatrist, but they have detained Manning in a solitary confinement that a UN torture expert called "cruel, inhuman and degrading." Do you feel better about that? Because I don't. The war on whistleblowers, the treatment of Manning, and now this investigation of journalists are all hallmarks of a White House that promised transparency but has been one of the most secretive -- all to the detriment of the public's right to know.

Let's be clear -- this is about Obama...and it is about much, much more than Obama. It is yet another example of how the national security state that has dominated our political life since World War II has corrupted the American soul. It is exactly what Philadelphia's own Benjamin Franklin tried to warn us about -- trading liberty for security, and geting neither. To the conservatives reading this, who warn so much about big government running amok...here it is. To the liberals reading this, who thought that one man named Barack Obama could change the system, he couldn't. Only we, the citizens, can truly change things.

Let's work together. Let's start by repealing the 2001 Authorization of the Use of Force, declare victory in what was formerly known as the war on terror, and resolve that never again will this nation enter into a perpetual and constitutionally dubious war. Let's repeal the most egregious aspects of the USA Patriot Act, hold public hearings on the true extent that the U.S. government has spied on citizens without warrants -- and then bring those practices to an end. And as today's events made crystal clear, let's make America a nation where journalists and other truth-tellers can write stories or reveal information that the government might not like...without fear of intrusion or reprisal. Ironically, many of those type of changes were supposed to happen after Nixon, after Vietnam But they either didn't last, or they didn't come at all.

If greater liberty comes from the latest revelations, Obama's sins -- however bad not not bad they may turn out to be -- will not make things worse than Watergate. This time, it -- the aftermath, anyway -- will be better than Watergate.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/The-day-the-Obama-administration-went-all-Nixon-on-us.html#XkZBD8PRD54hZRVr.99

baja
05-15-2013, 06:29 AM
The day the Obama administration went all Nixon on us

Attytood spoiler: That day was May 7, 2012...but first a quick history lesson.

Sigh...I know, I know, I write too much about the late 1960s and early 1970s, but this time it's really important. Because today that is the rallying cry for any presidential scandal, that this one is "worse than Watergate." But the Watergate break-in happened 41 years ago, which means that more than half of all Americans weren't even born yet, so you can't blame a lot of voters if they don't know much about what Watergate and the related scandals of Richard Milhous Nixon were all about.

One of the biggest drivers of Watergate was the seemingly unending war in Vietnam. As opposition increased to a foreign war that ultimately killed 58,000 Americans, for goals that were murky at best, so did government paranoia. At the core of Watergate was a team of shady operatives that were nicknamed "the White House Plumbers" -- because they went after news leaks...get it? In May 1969, after news reports about U.S. bombing activities in Cambodia, Nixon and his then-national security adviser Henry Kissinger enlisted J. Edgar Hoover's FBI to wiretap journalists and national security aides.

Later, one of the worst governmental abuses occurred after whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg leaked the massive Pentagon Papers that exposed governmental lies about the conduct of the war in Vietnam. Nixon's "Plumbers" broke into the office of Ellsberg's psychiatrist to dig up dirt to discredit him. Here is what one of Nixon's former aides, Egil Krogh, wrote about it in 2007:

The premise of our action was the strongly held view within certain precincts of the White House that the president and those functioning on his behalf could carry out illegal acts with impunity if they were convinced that the nation’s security demanded it. As President Nixon himself said to David Frost during an interview six years later, “When the president does it, that means it is not illegal.” To this day the implications of this statement are staggering.


No doubt. Luckily for America, not everyone agreed. Over the next couple of years, criminal charges against Ellsberg were tossed because of the government's misconduct, and Nixon resigned facing certain impeachment over the activities of his Plumbers and the ensuing, elaborate cover-up. The nation mostly rejoiced. The system worked...for a while.

Flash forward to 2012. America had at that point been in an undefined "war on terror" for 11 years -- the same amount of time from the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident that greatly expanded the Vietnam War to the 1975 fall of Saigon. Just as during the 1960s and early 1970s, this terror war had provided government with an excuse to greatly expand its domestic spying on American citizens -- some of that through a law called the Patriot Act and some of it even more dubious, constitutionally.

Then, on May 7, 2012, the Associated Press published an article about the Obama administration's conduct of its war in a country that we'd never declared war on (it was Cambodia in 1969, but Yemen in 2012) and Obama's Justice Department -- for reasons not yet fully known -- went crazy over the leak. This, then, is a reminder of why history matters so much.

Because if we're not careful...it repeats:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.


The records obtained by the Justice Department listed outgoing calls for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, for general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and for the main number for the AP in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP. It was not clear if the records also included incoming calls or the duration of the calls.


In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.


The AP's CEO said tonight that "[t]here can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters" -- and I could not agree with him more. This revelation is deeply troubling -- and has the makings of a major scandal. Sure, you could try to mitigate it by noting, fairly, that accessing these phone records isn't as bad as wiretapping. But that is small solace, indeed. There's every reason to believe that Attorney General Eric Holder signed off on this unwarranted assault on the First Amendment, and if so, he ought to be canned (hasn't he overstayed his welcome, anyway?). Also, you might try to excuse this as a one-off, an ill-advised but isolated incident.

Except that it's not.

Since the day he took office, the Obama administration has undertaken an assault on government whistleblowers -- people informing citizens of what their government doesn't want them to know -- that surpasses anything that Nixon or any other president has done. Since 2009, the Obama administration has brought espionage charges against six whistleblowers. And most of these whistleblowers have been criticizing that way that America conducts its neverending war of the 21st Century. One, Thomas Drake, blew the whistle on the illegal warrantless wiretapping that began under George W. Bush. John Kiriakou dropped the dime on illegal U.S. torture -- and was sent away to prison, even as the perpetrators of torture from Dick Cheney to John Yoo continue to walk freely among us.

Nixon had Daniel Ellsberg, and Obama has Bradley Manning of Wikileaks. OK, so they didn't break into the office of Manning's psychiatrist, but they have detained Manning in a solitary confinement that a UN torture expert called "cruel, inhuman and degrading." Do you feel better about that? Because I don't. The war on whistleblowers, the treatment of Manning, and now this investigation of journalists are all hallmarks of a White House that promised transparency but has been one of the most secretive -- all to the detriment of the public's right to know.

Let's be clear -- this is about Obama...and it is about much, much more than Obama. It is yet another example of how the national security state that has dominated our political life since World War II has corrupted the American soul. It is exactly what Philadelphia's own Benjamin Franklin tried to warn us about -- trading liberty for security, and geting neither. To the conservatives reading this, who warn so much about big government running amok...here it is. To the liberals reading this, who thought that one man named Barack Obama could change the system, he couldn't. Only we, the citizens, can truly change things.

Let's work together. Let's start by repealing the 2001 Authorization of the Use of Force, declare victory in what was formerly known as the war on terror, and resolve that never again will this nation enter into a perpetual and constitutionally dubious war. Let's repeal the most egregious aspects of the USA Patriot Act, hold public hearings on the true extent that the U.S. government has spied on citizens without warrants -- and then bring those practices to an end. And as today's events made crystal clear, let's make America a nation where journalists and other truth-tellers can write stories or reveal information that the government might not like...without fear of intrusion or reprisal. Ironically, many of those type of changes were supposed to happen after Nixon, after Vietnam But they either didn't last, or they didn't come at all.

If greater liberty comes from the latest revelations, Obama's sins -- however bad not not bad they may turn out to be -- will not make things worse than Watergate. This time, it -- the aftermath, anyway -- will be better than Watergate.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/The-day-the-Obama-administration-went-all-Nixon-on-us.html#XkZBD8PRD54hZRVr.99


Doing these things is a no brainer for a government that is working as designed. We no longer have that kind of government.

BroncoBeavis
05-15-2013, 07:46 AM
This is pretty special

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/15/184138253/holder-isnt-sure-how-often-reporters-records-are-seized

As his Justice Department faces bipartisan outrage for searching phone records of Associated Press reporters and editors, Attorney Gen. Eric Holder says he is not sure how many times such information has been seized by government investigators in the four years he's led Justice.

"I'm not sure how many of those cases ... I have actually signed off on," Holder said. "I take them very seriously. I know that I have refused to sign a few [and] pushed a few back for modifications."

Carrie added that Holder declined to say whether there will be a review of the Justice Department's policy on searches of reporters' records.

Please, go on, Eric.

mhgaffney
05-15-2013, 04:40 PM
One difference between then and now:

Ellsberg became a hero -- when a federal judge threw out the Nixon administration's case.

Manning has been subjected to a fate worse than death.

Things get worse.

MHG

Taco John
05-15-2013, 06:01 PM
One difference between then and now:

Ellsberg became a hero -- when a federal judge threw out the Nixon administration's case.

Manning has been subjected to a fate worse than death.

Things get worse.

MHG

The whole Bradley Manning ordeal is going to make Obama look like a hideous monster in the looking glass of history. I don't understand how anyone with any amount of humanity could allow what's happened to that kid if they had the power to stop it.

baja
05-15-2013, 06:21 PM
The whole Bradley Manning ordeal is going to make Obama look like a hideous monster in the looking glass of history. I don't understand how anyone with any amount of humanity could allow what's happened to that kid if they had the power to stop it.

Obama is a hideous monster, the mask comes off a little more every passing day.

I told you he was the most likely figure that fit the Anti - Christ model that I had ever see and that was before he was elected.

As bad as Bush was Obama will prove to be worse before it is all over.

elsid13
05-16-2013, 02:01 PM
The whole Bradley Manning ordeal is going to make Obama look like a hideous monster in the looking glass of history. I don't understand how anyone with any amount of humanity could allow what's happened to that kid if they had the power to stop it.

That "kid" released names of the individuals that were helping us and are now dead. There is a reason that he being charged with article 104 of UCMJ. He swore an oath, broke it and caused harmed to this country.

BroncoBeavis
05-16-2013, 02:28 PM
Holy Crap is this rich

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/some-question-whether-ap-leak-on-al-qaeda-plot-put-us-at-risk/2013/05/15/47003ed4-bd77-11e2-89c9-3be8095fe767_print.html

For five days, reporters at the Associated Press had been sitting on a big scoop about a foiled al-Qaeda plot at the request of CIA officials. Then, in a hastily scheduled Monday morning meeting, the journalists were asked by agency officials to hold off on publishing the story for just one more day.

The CIA officials, who had initially cited national security concerns in an attempt to delay publication, no longer had those worries, according to individuals familiar with the exchange. Instead, the Obama administration was planning to announce the successful counterterrorism operation that Tuesday.

AP balked and proceeded to publish that Monday afternoon. Its May 2012 report is now at the center of a controversial and broad seizure of phone records of AP reporters’ home, office and cellphone lines. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said the unauthorized disclosure about an intelligence operation to stop al-Qaeda from detonating explosives aboard a U.S. airliner was among the most serious leaks he could remember, and justified secretly obtaining records from a handful of reporters and editors over a span of two months.

Did the DOJ seize AP phone records just because they scooped Obama out of a big PR moment?

Holder said this is one of the worst few leaks he's ever seen and in reality it was only because AP printed it the day before the White House was going to photo-op it. LOL

Pony Boy
05-16-2013, 02:42 PM
The whole Bradley Manning ordeal is going to make Obama look like a hideous monster in the looking glass of history. I don't understand how anyone with any amount of humanity could allow what's happened to that kid if they had the power to stop it.

We elected a Chicago politician and he's morphed into something other than "the Hope and Change President"........... I'm shocked!

orinjkrush
05-16-2013, 06:47 PM
Eric Holder is the key. He is the chief il-legal officer of the USA.

nail him first. then the others can be had.

baja
05-16-2013, 07:42 PM
Eric Holder is the key. He is the chief il-legal officer of the USA.

nail him first. then the others can be had.


Don't hold your breath. He skated on Fast & Furious. If we had a functional government he would be incarcerated now.

BroncoBeavis
05-17-2013, 05:44 AM
In his remarks Tuesday, Mr. Holder called the leak of classified information among the most serious he has ever seen.
"It put the American people at risk, and that is not hyperbole,"

Later on he'll probably clarify "Look. The President is an American. And he was clearly put at risk of not shining in the spotlight as gloriously as he otherwise may have.". LOL

TonyR
05-17-2013, 06:21 AM
This thread is pretty funny considering the Obama administration hasn't been directly tied to any of these "scandals". Not even remotely. Might that happen? Possibly. But not looking likely. This is no Iran-Contra, and no Watergate, and no Monica Lewinsky, and no Katrina, no matter how wishfully you think. But keep hoping, fellas!

houghtam
05-17-2013, 06:42 AM
This thread is pretty funny considering the Obama administration hasn't been directly tied to any of these scandals. Not even remotely. Might that happen? Possibly. But not looking likely. This is no Iran-Contra, and no Watergate, and no Monica Lewinsky, and no Katrina, no matter how wishfully you think. But keep hoping, fellas!

And this is exactly what I was talking about when I said people invent a conspiracy, then fill in the holes later.

Special congrats to Beavis for once again showing his true colors.

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 06:57 AM
This thread is pretty funny considering the Obama administration hasn't been directly tied to any of these scandals. Not even remotely. Might that happen? Possibly. But not looking likely. This is no Iran-Contra, and no Watergate, and no Monica Lewinsky, and no Katrina, no matter how wishfully you think. But keep hoping, fellas!

Exactly,the IRS scandal is being debunked as we speak.

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 07:52 AM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/nixons-counsel-says-obama-is-no-nixon

The current slate of controversies consuming the White Hosue has some people comparing President Barack Obama to former President Richard Nixon, but a former top Nixon aide thinks that's ridiculous.

John Dean, who served as White House counsel under the disgraced former president, said that anyone applying the Nixonian label to Obama due is "challenged in their understanding of history." There's no legitimate comparison, Dean argued, between the Internal Revenue Service's improper targeting of conservative groups, the Department of Justice's subpoena of Associated Press phone records or the investigation into the dealy attack in Benghazi, Libya and the scandals that ultimately led to Nixon's undoing.

“There are no comparisons. They’re not comparable with any of the burgeoning scandals,” Dean told the Boston Globe.

Dean was present in the Oval Office when Nixon suggested using the IRS to target his foes.

Even Nixon's counsel says the comparison is ridiculous.

BroncoBeavis
05-17-2013, 07:56 AM
This thread is pretty funny considering the Obama administration hasn't been directly tied to any of these "scandals". Not even remotely. Might that happen? Possibly. But not looking likely. This is no Iran-Contra, and no Watergate, and no Monica Lewinsky, and no Katrina, no matter how wishfully you think. But keep hoping, fellas!

Lolz. That's a pretty bold misrepresentation of what a Presidential administration is. Holder is part of the Obama administration. As was Hillary, as was the IRS temp they "fired" I guess now the "Obama administration" has effectively been whittled down to Obama himself. Even his press secretary doesn't count. You guys have set up expectations for the next President so awesomely well.

The President's "thorough" internal investigations always seem to conclude that Obama knew nothing about anything that ever went wrong. Holder's DOJ is self-investigating an illegal phone record snatching incident where Holder says he recused himself, yet can't remember when or if he ever documented that.

The State Dept's "internal" investigation of Benghazi neglected to even interview the higher-ups (like Hillary) And still nobody can document anywhere who came up with the Youtube video angle or when. None of the hand-selected emails they say formed the talking points even MENTION the Youtube video. Yet the cheerleaders say "Case Closed"

And in the IRS case, we're told that massive numbers of tea party or conservative-sounding non-profit apps were held up, but that only a couple people probably had anything to do with that. And for some reason, they still have jobs. All this, they know because of another 'internal' review.

And yet any calls for an outside investigation of any of these serious incidents gets you guys shouting "witchhunt!"

This isn't criminal law. The President is responsible for what goes on in his administration whether he can maintain (semi)plausible deniability or not.

Essentially you're saying "he's incompetent, not criminal!" But you're just making the case for conservatism far better than anyone else ever could. LOL

TonyR
05-17-2013, 09:14 AM
A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, Beavis. Sorry, that's just how it is. Nobody cares. Or, I guess I should say, nobody who matters cares.

The amount of attention Americans are paying to the IRS and the Benghazi situations is well below the average for news stories Gallup has tracked over the years. This overall lack of attention is due in part to Democrats’ and, to a lesser degree, independents’ lack of interest, which stands in sharp contrast to the significantly above-average attention among Republicans.

There is a 21-percentage-point gap between Republicans and Democrats in terms of following the Benghazi story closely, and a 27-point gap on the IRS story. http://www.gallup.com/poll/162584/americans-attention-irs-benghazi-stories-below-average.aspx

BroncoBeavis
05-17-2013, 09:24 AM
A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, Beavis. Sorry, that's just how it is. Nobody cares. Or, I guess I should say, nobody who matters cares.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/162584/americans-attention-irs-benghazi-stories-below-average.aspx

Have patience, my man. Nixon was never forced to release his tapes for over two years after the Watergate break in.

And Nixon had been reelected in a landslide 5 months after the incident. Yet 8 months in, you're telling us time has run out.

Meanwhile.... drip...drip...drip

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/lanny-davis/300325-white-house-counsel-should-resign-if-she-knew-about-irs-abuses

White House counsel should resign if she knew about IRS abuses
By Lanny J. Davis

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 09:43 AM
Have patience, my man. Nixon was never forced to release his tapes for over two years after the Watergate break in.

And Nixon had been reelected in a landslide 5 months after the incident. Yet 8 months in, you're telling us time has run out.

Meanwhile.... drip...drip...drip

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/lanny-davis/300325-white-house-counsel-should-resign-if-she-knew-about-irs-abuses

Might as well use an article written by Glenn beck or Sean hannity.

BroncoBeavis
05-17-2013, 09:48 AM
Might as well use an article written by Glenn beck or Sean hannity.

Hey, when did your guys' church excommunicate Lanny? I hadn't heard. LOL

houghtam
05-17-2013, 09:52 AM
Have patience, my man. Nixon was never forced to release his tapes for over two years after the Watergate break in.

And Nixon had been reelected in a landslide 5 months after the incident. Yet 8 months in, you're telling us time has run out.

Meanwhile.... drip...drip...drip

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/lanny-davis/300325-white-house-counsel-should-resign-if-she-knew-about-irs-abuses

"I don't take sides. I don't have a dog in this race. I just want the truth. Keep America safe. Those poor tragic souls...

Oh, and I'm comparing this to Watergate without the evidence fully presented.

But I'm non-partisan! And I'm an Independent!"

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 10:00 AM
Hey, when did your guys' church excommunicate Lanny? I hadn't heard. LOL

LOL,do you even know who Lanny Davis is? You ever wonder why the only network that puts him on the air is foxnews? You ever heard of dick Morris,the dick Morris was also a part of the Clinton admin. And is just as much of a crackpot. So what's your point?

Rohirrim
05-17-2013, 10:38 AM
This thread is pretty funny considering the Obama administration hasn't been directly tied to any of these "scandals". Not even remotely. Might that happen? Possibly. But not looking likely. This is no Iran-Contra, and no Watergate, and no Monica Lewinsky, and no Katrina, no matter how wishfully you think. But keep hoping, fellas!

The other day, Obama said he sometimes had a longing to "go Bulworth."

Smartest thing I've heard him say since he's been president. Now, he should do it.

BroncoBeavis
05-17-2013, 11:04 AM
LOL,do you even know who Lanny Davis is? You ever wonder why the only network that puts him on the air is foxnews? You ever heard of dick Morris,the dick Morris was also a part of the Clinton admin. And is just as much of a crackpot. So what's your point?

Guessing just another reason you'll never be able to support Hillary. LOL

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 11:08 AM
Guessing just another reason you'll never be able to support Hillary. LOL

I don't blame Hillary for Lanny Davis.

Arkie
05-17-2013, 11:34 AM
This thread is pretty funny considering the Obama administration hasn't been directly tied to any of these "scandals". Not even remotely. Might that happen? Possibly. But not looking likely. This is no Iran-Contra, and no Watergate, and no Monica Lewinsky, and no Katrina, no matter how wishfully you think. But keep hoping, fellas!

I think it's bigger than Lewinsky and Katrina, but that's beside the point. It doesn't make me feel any better knowing that other Presidents did bad things so it's okay for the current president to do bad things.

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 11:39 AM
I think it's bigger than Lewinsky and Katrina, but that's beside the point. It doesn't make me feel any better knowing that other Presidents did bad things so it's okay for the current president to do bad things.

1. To even think this is worse than Katrina or lewinski is laughable.
2. Where is all this evidence that Obama is doing bad things/tied to all this.
You have a nice conspiracy theory but nothing more.

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 11:45 AM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/daily-caller-accuses-obama-of-breaching-marine-umbrella

The conservative news website The Daily Caller has accused President Obama of violating Marine Corps regulations when he had a pair of Marines hold umbrellas above himself and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan at an outdoor press conference on Thursday.

From The Daily Caller's report:

According to Marine Corps regulation MCO P1020.34F of the Marine Corps Uniform Regulations chapter 3, a male Marine is not allowed to carry an umbrella while in uniform. There is no provision in the Marine Corps uniform regulation guidelines that allows a male Marine to carry an umbrella.
LOL apparently this is the next scandal, we can say with some certainty that Obama will get impeached..umbrellas??!...the outrage!

El Minion
05-17-2013, 12:11 PM
1. To even think this is worse than Katrina or lewinski is laughable.
2. Where is all this evidence that Obama is doing bad things/tied to all this.
You have a nice conspiracy theory but nothing more.

I don't even know why this keeps being brought up as equivalent, it was a consensual act between two adults. The irony of republicans always complaining of government intrusion into peoples lives (what public interest in who the presidents fücks is there?) only belies their hypocrisy and duplicity of wanting to control and punish peoples for their sex lives while simultaneously allowing corporations free rein and immunity on everything else.

houghtam
05-17-2013, 02:50 PM
I don't even know why this keeps being brought up as equivalent, it was a consensual act between two adults. The irony of republicans always complaining of government intrusion into peoples lives (what public interest in who the presidents fücks is there?) only belies their hypocrisy and duplicity of wanting to control and punish peoples for their sex lives while simultaneously allowing corporations free rein and immunity on everything else.

It's general irony, yes...but also very specific irony, as in the case of Mark Sanford. You know, the guy who voted for Clinton's impeachment.

BroncoBeavis
05-17-2013, 03:31 PM
It's general irony, yes...but also very specific irony, as in the case of Mark Sanford. You know, the guy who voted for Clinton's impeachment.

If you want irony you should read John Edwards' impeachment speech sometime. :)

Arkie
05-17-2013, 03:52 PM
I don't even know why this keeps being brought up as equivalent, it was a consensual act between two adults. The irony of republicans always complaining of government intrusion into peoples lives (what public interest in who the presidents fücks is there?) only belies their hypocrisy and duplicity of wanting to control and punish peoples for their sex lives while simultaneously allowing corporations free rein and immunity on everything else.

Peacepipe brought it up as being worse. I don't think consensual sex is worse than spying. It actually improved Clinton's rating.

mhgaffney
05-17-2013, 04:36 PM
Peacepipe brought it up as being worse. I don't think consensual sex is worse than spying. It actually improved Clinton's rating.

I did not want to believe this -- but when I checked -- it's true enough.

Of course, the affair with Monika overshadowed the really important event of 1998. You have to wonder to what extent this was orchestrated.

The important event being Desert Fox -- the Dec 1998 US bombing of Iraq -- a heavy handed attempt to effect regime change by offing Saddam.

The US ordered the UNSCOM weapons inspectors to leave the country (it was NOT Saddam who did so -- though this continues to be the common lie agreed upon.)

The bombing failed.

As a result, UNSCOM chief weapons inspector Scott Ritter resigned in protest -- as did Dennis Halliday -- the other UN official in Iraq at that time.

All in all - it was an unmitigated disaster for the US, the people of Iraq, and the world.

Meanwhile, the US headlines were all about Monika and Bill.

MHG

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 05:18 PM
Peacepipe brought it up as being worse. I don't think consensual sex is worse than spying. It actually improved Clinton's rating.

What improved Clinton rating was Republicans overreached with the impeachment.

errand
05-17-2013, 06:26 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/nixons-counsel-says-obama-is-no-nixon



Even Nixon's counsel says the comparison is ridiculous.

Ironically, Bob Woodward says otherwise.....

http://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-compares-benghazi-watergate-153412076.html

errand
05-17-2013, 06:30 PM
I don't even know why this keeps being brought up as equivalent, it was a consensual act between two adults. The irony of republicans always complaining of government intrusion into peoples lives (what public interest in who the presidents fücks is there?) only belies their hypocrisy and duplicity of wanting to control and punish peoples for their sex lives while simultaneously allowing corporations free rein and immunity on everything else.


Some Americans expect their president to have higher morals and character.....

Personally I don't give a **** that he ****ed or blew a load on Lewinski.....I'm just pissed he did it on the taxpayer's dime....and surely the leader of the free world could score a hot super model or actress, etc.......hell anyone of us could have nailed Lewinsky.

peacepipe
05-17-2013, 06:39 PM
Ironically, Bob Woodward says otherwise.....

http://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-compares-benghazi-watergate-153412076.html

Woodward is a whiny attention seeking hack. Woodward not too long ago got called out for fabricating a bogus story about being intimidated by the white house.

baja
05-17-2013, 06:48 PM
Some Americans expect their president to have higher morals and character.....

Personally I don't give a **** that he ****ed or blew a load on Lewinski.....I'm just pissed he did it on the taxpayer's dime....and surely the leader of the free world could score a hot super model or actress, etc.......hell anyone of us could have nailed Lewinsky.

In the grand scheme of things what the hell does that matter. What you want to do back charge him the time?

The fact that was even a story just shows how naive and malleable public opinion is. Is it any wonder we find ourselves in the position we are in.

Victims of our own mundaneness.

ant1999e
05-18-2013, 10:39 AM
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BroncoBeavis
05-18-2013, 02:27 PM
Woodward is a whiny attention seeking hack. Woodward not too long ago got called out for fabricating a bogus story about being intimidated by the white house.

My word you are one of the most thorough administration slob knobbers. Is anyone who ever criticizes your man a liar by definition?

peacepipe
05-18-2013, 02:47 PM
I have legit complaints about Obama,but you guys act as if Obama was orchestrating all this.

errand
05-18-2013, 07:23 PM
I have legit complaints about Obama,but you guys act as if Obama was orchestrating all this.

LOL ........ Lie to your mom, but quit lying to us. but I guess being an Obama supporter you just can't help but ****ing lie.... Just like the man you support.

peacepipe
05-18-2013, 07:36 PM
LOL ........ Lie to your mom, but quit lying to us. but I guess being an Obama supporter you just can't help but ****ing lie.... Just like the man you support.

Prove me wrong. Do you have the evidence that the evil Kenyan,socialist,Muslim Obama was tied to the IRS? Guess not,move along & go sit at the kids table.

cutthemdown
05-19-2013, 10:03 PM
We know people in Obamas admin knew. Its logical he may have knew also. Thats why an outside special investigation has to be formed. Lets get to the bottom of this horrid display of govt abuse.

spdirty
05-28-2013, 09:57 AM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/603783_509264859120855_901925183_n.jpg

Rohirrim
05-28-2013, 10:41 AM
Don't forget, like Daniel Ellsberg pointed out, all the crimes committed by Richard Nixon would have been legal under the Patriot Act. ;D

BroncoBeavis
05-30-2013, 06:42 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/30/penatgon-papers-lawyer-james-goodale-it-s-time-for-eric-holder-to-resign.html

The attorney general’s conduct in trying to pass off the James Rosen subpoena as falling under the Espionage Act proves that he is abusing his office.
Pentagon papers lawyer James Goodale has seen this before—in Richard Nixon.

cutthemdown
05-30-2013, 09:59 PM
Holder said to Congress i didn't ave anything to do with the prosecution of anyone in the media. So because he didn't say investigation he is off the hook for lying. Politicians use excuses like kids to with parents. \

No dad you asked if me and my friends went to the mall after school. I said no. I went with 2 kids I don't consider my friends so I wasn't lying. He lied, Obama lies, the repubs all lie, the whole govt ****ing lies to us. Until we have a mechanism for holding them sccountable they will keep lying to us.

baja
05-30-2013, 10:05 PM
We as a society have come to expect to be lied to. In fact if if we run into someone that is morally bound to speak his truth he is considered naive and even a little slow and idealistic.

A clever lier is admired and modeled as a figure on success on reality shows.

TonyR
06-19-2013, 12:50 PM
Without additional bad news, a recovery seems likelier [than a long-term decline]. So far, there’s not much evidence that the “scandals” or controversies of the last few months have much staying power. With the NSA dominating the news of the last few weeks, you could be forgiven for forgetting about Benghazi, IRS targeting, or the AP leaks. The sequester, which prompted an initial decline in the president’s approval ratings, might have also slipped your mind.

Without additional revelations, what’s going to keep the NSA controversy alive? My hunch: nothing, just like the controversies that preceded it. The NSA controversy might be especially likely to dissipate, since Republicans don’t appear keen on mounting a sustained attack on a program they have a record of supporting.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113539/obama-approval-rating-nsa-scandal-wont-last

cutthemdown
06-19-2013, 11:13 PM
Some Americans expect their president to have higher morals and character.....

Personally I don't give a **** that he ****ed or blew a load on Lewinski.....I'm just pissed he did it on the taxpayer's dime....and surely the leader of the free world could score a hot super model or actress, etc.......hell anyone of us could have nailed Lewinsky.

So you don't expect a President to act with a certain level of decorum while in office? Getting caught shoving cigars up an interns **** will go down in history. 100 yrs from now kids will read up on it and say holy cow this one got caught shoving a cigar up an interns vag. Seriously that will stand out more then he reformed welfare and the nasdaq went nuts under him. Bush should have murdered some intern pussy and set a precedent for all time. Every Pres has to bang his interns.

cutthemdown
06-19-2013, 11:13 PM
then we could have a first lady and a whore, instead of just a first lady who is often hard to make fun of. Honestly who was more fun Monica lewinski or the Quaker Oats chick Bush married. Bwaaaaaa!

cutthemdown
06-19-2013, 11:15 PM
Who here would stay faithful to hilliary the dick shrinker Clinton? Seriously who knows what up here cooze, could be a creature just like Southpark said.

Rohirrim
06-20-2013, 07:26 AM
Laura Bush always struck me as a woman walking around with a Prozac IV on constant drip. I doubt she remembers being in the WH.