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Requiem
05-13-2013, 04:48 PM
Oh dontcha know! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/13/minnesota-senate-gay-marriage_n_3266722.html)

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Spurring onlookers' cheers, the Minnesota Senate voted Monday to make gay marriage legal, putting the state on the brink of becoming the 12th to allow same-sex couples to marry. Gov. Mark Dayton immediately announced he would sign the legislation Tuesday.

The Senate vote of 37-30 came four days after the House passed the bill on a 75-59 vote. When the tally was announced after more than four hours of debate, a huge cheer erupted in the chamber and gallery, where spectators stood and applauded.

Minnesota will become the first state in the Midwest to make gay marriage legal via a legislative vote. Iowa legalized same-sex marriage in 2009 through a court ruling. Under the legislation, gay couples will be able to get married starting on Aug. 1.

Last week, Dayton, a Democrat, called the bill "one of those society-changing breakthrough moments." His staff scheduled a signing ceremony for 5 p.m. Tuesday on the Capitol steps.

Quote from a friend:

#12! Because it's not about marriage. It's about so much more. It's living in a place where each person is validated, valued, equal. The sense of self and value we develop about ourselves while we are young is greatly mirrored by the laws that define what a society deems as equal. The constructs of society influence greatly how and what we think of ourselves, how we treat ourselves, and most importantly how we treat each others. History will change. Minds will open. Equality will prevail. Constructing the framework by which to develop the change in individual minds and in society will be hastened by legislating equality. Minnesota nice.

Bravo.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 05:41 PM
how gay! Good for them though marraige is only a piece of paper and it would be silly to care anymore who signs the dotted line.

Fedaykin
05-13-2013, 06:20 PM
how gay! Good for them though marraige is only a piece of paper and it would be silly to care anymore who signs the dotted line.

Only a piece of paper eh? Tell that to people who are barred from, example, hospital visitation rights.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 06:22 PM
Only a piece of paper eh? Tell that to people who are barred from, example, hospital visitation rights.

Or every heterosexual couple opposed to gay marriage.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 07:14 PM
Big deal some people take longer to change with the times then others do. Just like one day abortion will be a thing of the past and people will be amazed anyone supported it.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 07:15 PM
who knows liberal issues like letting gays adpot could eventually merge with no abortions because people can easily find a great family either gay or straight. I still don't really like the idea of gays adpoting but i am coming around on it.

Requiem
05-13-2013, 08:26 PM
Yeah, why not?

My sister(s) have done a great job with their adopted kids. I'd take those kids and their abilities any day of the week out of most any couple, regardless of orientation.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 11:18 PM
Only a piece of paper eh? Tell that to people who are barred from, example, hospital visitation rights.

Yeah i would not support that even if I was against gay marriage. Now I do say I feel its not normal. But I also feel that there is nothing in the constitution about it only applying to normal people. The pursuit of happiness is not being fulfilled if a gay man or woman cant go see his lover in the hospital.

I never have heard of someone not being allowed to visit. I thought that was up to the patient. That is absurd if it occurs.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 11:20 PM
Yeah, why not?

My sister(s) have done a great job with their adopted kids. I'd take those kids and their abilities any day of the week out of most any couple, regardless of orientation.

Old fashioned a little bit I guess. Just not really willing to jump on the gay is genetic bandwagon yet. But the lady who saved my brothers life with a marrow transpant is gay and married to her partner. She has 10 adopted black kids and has helped 2 different people survive Leukemia.

So I would have to say that i am no longer against it. I guess i just had not really thought about it much.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 11:23 PM
I don't think though gays will ever get what they want and that is complete normalization of it. It will still be coming out, saying you are gay. While declaring you are straight isn't done. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't get to do what all Americans can do. If you meet the criteria you should be able to marry, adopt, whatever. I'm not religious though I am easier to convert on social issues.

B-Large
05-14-2013, 07:29 AM
The Wedding Industry is drooling all over themselves....

Gay Weddings? Let the Money Flow

peacepipe
05-14-2013, 07:39 AM
I don't think though gays will ever get what they want and that is complete normalization of it. It will still be coming out, saying you are gay. While declaring you are straight isn't done. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't get to do what all Americans can do. If you meet the criteria you should be able to marry, adopt, whatever. I'm not religious though I am easier to convert on social issues.

Same was probably said about interracial marriage,now no one even thinks twice about it. Except for all the nyuk nyuks & txtebows of the world.

cutthemdown
05-14-2013, 08:12 AM
Same was probably said about interracial marriage,now no one even thinks twice about it. Except for all the nyuk nyuks & txtebows of the world.

We don't think 3 times about that but i still think we think twice. If a friend of mine dated a black girl I think he would tell me that before we met. I would not just open the door to meet them and discover she is black. I still think it would be a tad different.

Still its all good I have no problem with the country being pretty liberally socially. We have a right to pursue happiness even if it means being really strange and not doing it like most people do. But I agree interracial relationships not really given much thought anymore. I do think though there is a big difference between choosing a women that is another race, or saying you know what I don't like women I want a same sex relationship. Thats like choosing a car over a truck, not just a different color. LOL!

Its all good though i wish the country could put aside petty things like who gets married and who doesn't.

Besides its an economic issue. Let them marry and spend the money to do it. Its good for the economy. Also many would probably then want to buy a house to live in together etc etc. So the trickle down of the money from gay marriage could be enough for it to be a good thing.

TonyR
06-20-2013, 08:38 AM
Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) making the case for marriage equality:

First, this is a personal liberty issue and has to do with the most important personal decision that any human makes. I believe that, as Americans, our freedoms come from God and not government, and include the rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. What could be more important to the pursuit of happiness than the right to choose your spouse without asking a Washington politician for permission? If there is one belief that unifies most Alaskans – our true north – it is less government and more freedom. We don’t want the government in our pockets or our bedrooms; we certainly don’t need it in our families.

Secondly, civil marriage also touches the foundation of our national culture: safe, healthy families and robust community life. In so many ways, sound families are the foundation of our society. Any efforts or opportunity to expand the civil bonds and rights to anyone that wants to build a stable, happy household should be promoted. http://www.murkowski.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=OpEds&ContentRecord_id=8295b7c7-e504-4b32-bc25-354b3aef41dc

This is true conservatism, folks.

A little more sane and rational than that other female politician from Alaska you might have heard or, no?

DenverBrit
06-20-2013, 11:42 AM
Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) making the case for marriage equality:

http://www.murkowski.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=OpEds&ContentRecord_id=8295b7c7-e504-4b32-bc25-354b3aef41dc

This is true conservatism, folks.

A little more sane and rational than that other female politician from Alaska you might have heard or, no?

Absolutely!

When the GOP regain their sanity and ditch the religious fundamentalism and social engineering from their agenda, they will have moved in the right direction.

A big blow to Bachmann and her craziness......not to mention the profitability of that scam of a clinic she and her husband run.

TonyR
06-20-2013, 05:50 PM
The right-wing media's response:
Nothing at National Review, the Weekly Standard, Human Events, the Washington Free Beacon, or the American Spectator. Breitbart.com ran two Associated Press stories. WorldNetDaily ran an NBC News story. The Daily Caller and RedState mentioned Murkowski in pieces about immigration reform, but nothing on gay marriage.

The only conservative outlet I found covering Murkowski was the Washington Examiner, which ran a straightforward news story about her announcement.

Four years ago, it was hard to imagine Republican senators supporting gay marriage. It was even harder to imagine conservative media outlets having no reaction at all to them doing so.
http://www.businessinsider.com/conservatives-wont-talk-gay-marriage-2013-6?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider%2Fpolitics+%2 8Business+Insider+-+Politix%29

Pony Boy
06-21-2013, 04:15 PM
I say why not ............. open the doors for anyone or anything to marry.

32464

Dogs get ‘married’ in record-breaking $158K wedding

Chilly Pasternak, a poodle from Richmond, Va., left, and Baby Hope Diamond, a Coton de Tulear from New York, right, sit together after their "wedding" on Thursday July 12, 2012 in New York

http://www.today.com/id/48177946/ns/today-today_pets/t/dogs-get-married-record-breaking-k-wedding/

DenverBrit
06-21-2013, 04:19 PM
I say why not ............. open the doors for anyone or anything to marry.

32464

Dogs get ‘married’ in record-breaking $158K wedding

Chilly Pasternak, a poodle from Richmond, Va., left, and Baby Hope Diamond, a Coton de Tulear from New York, right, sit together after their "wedding" on Thursday July 12, 2012 in New York

http://www.today.com/id/48177946/ns/today-today_pets/t/dogs-get-married-record-breaking-k-wedding/

You carefully edited out.........Pooches nab Guinness World Record in event held to benefit the Humane Society

houghtam
06-21-2013, 08:05 PM
You carefully edited out.........Pooches nab Guinness World Record in event held to benefit the Humane Society

Not to mention the phony novelty marriage certificate they probably made for the event carries the same weight with the state as whatever you might get from your church.

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 03:28 AM
Yep its time for repubs to let go of the issues that aren't getting them votes. Doesn't really matter anyways you can just say you are for gay marraige then not support it much once in office. Like how Obama was saying he was against spying on Americans, killing americans and others with no trial, and once in office he was all for it.

He was against the debt ceiling and called raising it unconstitutional. Now that he is president he friggin loves raising the debt limit.

If repubs need to let go of familiy values and focus on taxes, security, economy, foriegn policy I think that would be a good thing.

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 03:34 AM
But you can think all you want gay marraige will be equal, it never will be. It will always be a gay marraige, never just a marraige. People will still expect others to be attracted to the opposite sex. When your not they will say oh he's gay that cool though. Or a person will have to come out and say they are gay. Unless you are a flamer people expect men to love women. That is normal, being gay isn't. You will never legislate it normal.

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 03:35 AM
For instance in the wild when a researcher see's a male and female mating they aren't surprised. But when they find some instances of gay behavoir in other animals its a big deal. Why? Because its not normal and most animals go for the opposite sex.

houghtam
06-22-2013, 06:17 AM
LOL

And here is a perfect example of "what is wrong" with the GOP.

Here we have one of its mouth-breathing members saying "I support gay marriage, but those gays will never be normal."

Even if that is true, why do you feel the need to say it? Do you think your need to tack the "but it's not normal" part at the end of your statement comes off as a positive or negative attitude toward gays? Do you think someone who hears "but you're not normal" is going to be more or less likely to vote for someone when they hear that?

And that's the problem. Instead of saying "you know what, it's my position that the government doesn't need to have a hand in it", end of story, you look like you're just trying to throw the LGBT community a proverbial bone.

"Here you go guys. Don't mistake this for my liking, caring about or approving of your lifestyle. But yeah, I guess since you've whined about it for long enough we'll pretend we're listening to you."

Just learn to shut your mouth at the right time, and you may actually appear as if you're not a total idiot who wants to set the clock back 60 years. Then maybe the LGBT crowd will actually begin to listen to some other conservative ideas - before realizing they're crazy ideological pie-in-the-sky high hopes that could never be realized and wholly reject them. (See what happens when someone continues talking when they should have stopped?)

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 06:35 AM
How many gay people do you spend time with Houghtam? They aren't that way in my city. But my city has a really high gay population so I probably know more then you do. I have said that very thing to my gay friends. That its still not marraige people just call it gay marraige. It will always have the "gay" in front of it because people first reaction is that someone would be interested in the opposite sex. I have plenty of gay friends. I joke with them and they know I feel being gay is some sort or DNA abnormality, or environmental that IMO will never be the "normal thing" for our species. They know that i care about them and that i want them to be happy. You have no idea about me and saying i want to turn the clock back shows that. I grew at a HS that was geared to performing arts. I have so many close gay men and women that are my friends I can say without a doubt unless your gay you have nowhere near the same amount. I get along fine with gay people. The lady who saved my brothers life with a bone marrow transplant is one of the finest people I have ever known and I went to her party she threw that was in place of what should have been their wedding.

I am all for gay wedding i will book my band and play YMCA for them. There are a lot of things I call "not normal". It's always a put down. I defend the right of people to be abnormal thats why America kicks ass.

So I will conceed the phrase its not normal should be shelved. Instead i will just say that unless a species was doomed being gay would never be the majority of people. But it wouldn't last if they were like me either. I can't stand kids. Well let me rephrase that i can't stand most kids. Don't want them. I have had a couple girls and even a few gay men tell me that isn't normal for a straight dude so maybe I'm not normal either.

I know you're not normal you're a ****ing dickhead.

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 06:38 AM
By the way the gay and lesbian crowd are the same crowd as us right Houghtam? I thought we weren't labeling them as being different and needing their own crowd anymore? Sounds like you are the one who probably never hangs out with anyone who is gay.

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 06:47 AM
Then lastly why in the hell hasn't Obama went harder on this issue. His wife got called out by an angry activist over that issue.

At this point we have states that just won't do it. Hell here in ca it went down. I voted to have it be legal by the way. The bad news was mormon money and black people being against it sent it to defeat. When religion and a racial voting block come together watch out. You won't win. I did go back and forth on gay marriage but now I am firmly in the all people should have the right to make the huge mistake of marriage. I just know somewhere there is a gay dude who said he would marry but its illegal. Now his mate is like OOOOH we can get married now its legal. The other dude is like damn I never really wanted to marry lol!

Anyways my point is trying to do something like this at the state level is as stupid as trying to make drugs legal in only a couple states. Or have arizona try and take over border control themselves, or do their own immigration policy.

Some things scream out load for Presidential leadership and a change of FEDERAL law. Its the only way to force some dude in Kentucky has never read a book to be forced to deal with it. Its not a Presidents job to follow the polls. I don't want a president that does that i want one who leads us and when we are wrong he changes our minds. Or if too many won't come along you force feed it to us.

Some things should be done at the states. I love states rights. But when it comes to who can marry the law should be set IMO at the federal level.

But...you know if some private church doesn't want to allow gays to marry there then that is up to them. Big deal go to a different church. But there is no way gay marriage makes its rounds without the feds busting up that defense of marriage ideal. Not sure if that was law? or what feds doing on this but IMO it has to happen there. This 15 states have done it crap will never get all the way through all 50.

houghtam
06-22-2013, 07:01 AM
So I will conceed the phrase its not normal should be shelved.

That's all you really needed to say. Three posts makes it seem like you're trying to overcompensate. The rest of your statements are just one "a lot of my friends are gay so this validates the way I think" after another, which is just like saying "I have a lot of black friends, so I can make fun of black people. They laugh."

Now, if only the members of your party would get their heads out of their asses and stop putting their feet in their mouths, then maybe the GOP might be able to siphon some of the more fiscally conservative people who refuse to vote Republican because they think they're a bunch of cavemen.

But it won't happen. I can guarantee you, like clockwork, at least one GOP politician will say something stupid about either LGBT issues or rape/abortion THIS WEEK.

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 07:36 AM
Hmmm lets see I play blues, jazz, rock, and r&b for a 2nd life. I wonder who knows or hangs with more black people. I joke with my only close black friend about Obama all the time and tons of other stuff. I will conceed also if you aren't very close with someone of any other race, or sexual preference probably not great to drop a great black joke. Hopefully you have some black friends that make fun of you Houghtam. Im a white dude playing black music most of the time so trust me black musicians tease me all the time. Also if you aren't ready to be able to do a smackdown then you haven't hung out playing dominoes with the rhythm section. Black dudes will eat you alive if you don't have thick skin and don't have a sense of humor.

But obviously Houghtam jokes that are about someone being less then you, or ones that are mean are never a good idea. And no I would never walk up to black people and start **** like I do with you on the internet. Trying to think you know what people are like by the internet is a joke. So I have an unpolitically correct sense of humor and made fun of the chiefs when that guy shot himself. Ok I will give you that sometimes I go over the edge but i digress. To think you know what sort of person I am makes me laugh. For instance if you were anything like you are on the internet someone would have beat you to death years ago.

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 07:37 AM
I also agree until the repubs can get people to stop talking about rape they are in trouble. They need to go back to the lets just put everyone in jail for a long time talk when it comes to rape.

cutthemdown
06-22-2013, 07:39 AM
Also though Houghtam some of those crazy repubs who said those things got liberal money to help win the primary elections. The repubs do it also when they like one dem over another as far as being able to beat them.

We have a lot of problems in our system and its not just because GWB didn't find WMD and we had a costly war. Obama still crying. Now its IM NOT LIKE CHENEY! IM NOT IM NOT IM NOT. Give me a break the dems are not fixing anything. They are a joke.

Pony Boy
06-22-2013, 10:03 AM
LOL

And here is a perfect example of "what is wrong" with the GOP.

Here we have one of its mouth-breathing members saying "I support gay marriage, but those gays will never be normal."

Minnesota voted to legalize gay marriage, but they didn't pass legislation to make it a normal act.

Smoking marijuana in Colorado is legal but it doesn't make it a normal act to most citizens.

houghtam
06-22-2013, 11:10 AM
Minnesota voted to legalize gay marriage, but they didn't pass legislation to make it a normal act.

Smoking marijuana in Colorado is legal but it doesn't make it a normal act to most citizens.

My point, again.

It doesn't matter whether it's true or not. The mere act of saying it works to alienate the LGBT crowd.

Whom are you more likely to vote for?

"I support Second Amendment rights."

Or

"I support Second Amendment rights, but those gun owners are nut jobs."

I can't make my point any more clear than that. If you or cut or whoever the nozzle GOP congressmen is who is going to make an offensive comment this week can't understand that, you're what's wrong with the GOP.

TonyR
06-22-2013, 12:02 PM
I think this thread needs a few more rambling posts from cutthemdown...

Question for cut and pony: do you think what Murkowski said (see post #14) is "conservative"?

gunns
06-22-2013, 12:41 PM
Yeah i would not support that even if I was against gay marriage. Now I do say I feel its not normal. But I also feel that there is nothing in the constitution about it only applying to normal people. The pursuit of happiness is not being fulfilled if a gay man or woman cant go see his lover in the hospital.

I never have heard of someone not being allowed to visit. I thought that was up to the patient. That is absurd if it occurs.

If it did say something about normal people someone would be advocating not allowing marriage between heterosexuals who have anal sex, oral sex, doggy style, anything but missionary.

If someone is in ICU it's generally just immediate relatives who can visit. Also if someone is in a coma or dying they can put in that rule or the family can say no one but close relatives.

nyuk nyuk
06-22-2013, 06:46 PM
Thanks to years of media marketing. That doesn't say much about the quality of the voting public. If you're going to do something, do it because it's right, not because you've been hit with a Budweiser-style media blitz.

Speaking of that, it didn't become a big issue with Democrats until it became a big issue with Democratic Party brass.

Animal herding 101, folks.

W*GS
06-22-2013, 09:53 PM
Thanks to years of media marketing. That doesn't say much about the quality of the voting public. If you're going to do something, do it because it's right, not because you've been hit with a Budweiser-style media blitz.

More and more people accept gays and gay marriage only because the media told them to, eh?

Why do you think so little of your fellow Americans?

nyuk nyuk
06-22-2013, 10:02 PM
More and more people accept gays and gay marriage only because the media told them to, eh?

Why do you think so little of your fellow Americans?

I'm old enough to see how it unfolded. Mass media marketing followed by deluge of legislation.

As a lefty, you should know the power of media on the public mind. Did you forget your Chomksy already?

W*GS
06-22-2013, 10:15 PM
I'm old enough to see how it unfolded. Mass media marketing followed by deluge of legislation.

Amazing how quickly folks abandon their misbegotten bigotry and prejudice (even when delivered from the pulpit) and start acting much more Christlike with their mercy and love for all God's children, isn't it?

houghtam
06-22-2013, 11:32 PM
Well and the civil rights movement was just a result of the liberal media giving it more attention than they wuz worth -- err, I mean -- than them blacks deserved -- I mean -- Dayumit, Mabel! Used to be you could git away with saying anything about anyone. Not no more. Dayum PEE SEE BULL SHIAT's what I done say.

chadta
06-23-2013, 09:02 AM
There are no such things as gay rights, or black rights, or womens rights, only human rights, either you are human or you are not.

Then you get into wether or not getting married is a right. While I think marriage is a man and a woman, I see no reason why a gay person should not have the right to decide who gets to visit them in the hospital or make life or death decisions for them. Not sure why that is even an issue, shouldnt a living will make it crystal clear who gets to do things like that ?

nyuk nyuk
06-23-2013, 11:50 AM
Amazing how quickly folks abandon their misbegotten bigotry and prejudice (even when delivered from the pulpit) and start acting much more Christlike with their mercy and love for all God's children, isn't it?

You're missing the point entirely and going back to your default position of applying simplistic, childish labels to those you don't like and Christlike (your word) ones to those who you do like. (For the record, nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality considered acceptable.)

Indeed, you are a perfect example of how people internalize simplistic language coined by activists and political campaigns in shoehorning people. Where is that language most commonly used?

Yes - television.

nyuk nyuk
06-23-2013, 11:51 AM
There are no such things as gay rights, or black rights, or womens rights, only human rights, either you are human or you are not.

They want you to not see color or gender unless it gives them some sort of gain. You can't have color- or gender-blind and then turn around and demand spoils based on those groupings.

nyuk nyuk
06-23-2013, 11:53 AM
Well and the civil rights movement was just a result of the liberal media giving it more attention than they wuz worth -- err, I mean -- than them blacks deserved -- I mean -- Dayumit, Mabel! Used to be you could git away with saying anything about anyone. Not no more. Dayum PEE SEE BULL SHIAT's what I done say.

Attempting to mock white southern speech isn't an argument for anything. Indeed, it's yet another example of how liberals copy and paste activist language most commonly expressed on television (and now blogs).

"If you don't think like us, you're a backward white inbred redneck" is one of the oldest stock liberal slurs in the book.

Good job, Meathead.

houghtam
06-23-2013, 12:00 PM
Attempting to mock white southern speech isn't an argument for anything. Indeed, it's yet another example of how liberals copy and paste activist language most commonly expressed on television (and now blogs).

"If you don't think like us, you're a backward white inbred redneck" is one of the oldest stock liberal slurs in the book.

Good job, Meathead.

:yayaya:

W*GS
06-23-2013, 12:20 PM
You're missing the point entirely and going back to your default position of applying simplistic, childish labels to those you don't like and Christlike (your word) ones to those who you do like. (For the record, nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality considered acceptable.)

Provide us the quotes from Christ, in any Bible, regarding homosexuality:

Bacchus
06-23-2013, 12:44 PM
Then lastly why in the hell hasn't Obama went harder on this issue. His wife got called out by an angry activist over that issue.

Because Obama is way more conservative than we like. He is much more conservative than the Clintons and God knows they are hardly liberal.

nyuk nyuk
06-23-2013, 01:41 PM
Provide us the quotes from Christ, in any Bible, regarding homosexuality:

Typical liberal tactic, pretending the validity of the Bible is reduced only to Christ's words. That's not how it works and you know it.

Try a cup of honesty, home boy.

By this logic, then show me where Christ - in any Bible - said it's not ok to hold slaves or beat women.

That didn't work well, did it?

nyuk nyuk
06-23-2013, 01:43 PM
Because Obama is way more conservative than we like. He is much more conservative than the Clintons and God knows they are hardly liberal.

Yes, I recall the one-handed celebrations of the 2008 election in Socialist circles. Now they're calling him just another war criminal.

I'd call all of them liberals, but of course in more recent years the definition of what constitutes a liberal seems to keep moving leftward. I don't see how his domestic social policy can be called anything but liberal and I think critics who see otherwise fixate on his foreign policy.

nyuk nyuk
06-23-2013, 01:44 PM
:yayaya:

Admitting the problem is the first step toward a cure.

W*GS
06-23-2013, 01:47 PM
Typical liberal tactic, pretending the validity of the Bible is reduced only to Christ's words. That's not how it works and you know it.

Is not the Son of God the final authority?

By this logic, then show me where Christ - in any Bible - said it's not ok to hold slaves or beat women.

Thanks for proving that conservatives think it's OK to hold slaves and beat women.

We all knew it, but now you've let it slip. Thanks!

nyuk nyuk
06-23-2013, 02:28 PM
Is not the Son of God the final authority?


Thanks for proving that conservatives think it's OK to hold slaves and beat women.

We all knew it, but now you've let it slip. Thanks!

Yeah, its in the platforms of both the Republican and Libertarian parties.

As usual, lacking an argument you twist words and drop wet turd balls out of your irritated sphincter instead.

You just said Jesus was the final authority, so you got your answer, didn't you?

He didn't condemn slavery or wife beating, therefore according to your "theology," they're both OK. Final authority, right?!

Honest readers of the Bible do not throw 99% of the Bible in the trash and misquote the other 1% to bolster their political agenda. You cannot honestly say Jesus didn't condemn homosexuality therefore homosexuality is OK without accepting also that he neither condemned slavery nor wife beating, either. But since you aren't honest, you make your typical deflective red herring comments about the Republican Party because your head really is that far up your ass.

Jesus also didn't condemn narcotics addiction. Let's all get loaded on crack! Hilarious!

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" ---- 2 Tim 3:16

All. Not some.

W*GS
06-23-2013, 02:50 PM
Honest readers of the Bible do not throw 99% of the Bible in the trash and misquote the other 1% to bolster their political agenda.

Whoops. You just nuked almost your entire ideology and political party.

DenverBrit
06-23-2013, 08:55 PM
Whoops. You just nuked almost your entire ideology and political party.

LOL

Ouch!!

W*GS
06-23-2013, 09:12 PM
LOL

Ouch!!

nyuk is expert at the self-inflicted fatal wound.

Requiem
06-24-2013, 09:07 AM
W*GS did a great job in this thread. Way to go!

DenverBrit
06-24-2013, 09:39 AM
nyuk is expert at the self-inflicted fatal wound.

Indeed. ;)

http://hadeeqa.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot.jpg?w=300&h=252