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houghtam
05-10-2013, 02:26 PM
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Heritage Foundation Senior Policy Analyst is an out of the closet racist.

The video gets particularly good around the 10:00 mark.

nyuk nyuk
05-10-2013, 03:09 PM
If you can only see racism coming from one direction, you might be a racist.

houghtam
05-10-2013, 03:22 PM
If you can only see racism coming from one direction, you might be a racist.

Do you deny that HF opinions on the immigration law were influenced by a known and unabashed racist?

nyuk nyuk
05-10-2013, 03:23 PM
Do you deny that liberal immigration policy is in part a huge play on Latino racism and nepotism? One direction fingerpointing again? Why is that liberals can only find a racist if he's white? Hm?

nyuk nyuk
05-10-2013, 03:32 PM
Ok I watched the segment. I'm wondering what is specifically racist about it, because Maddow failed to explain it and instead went off on a loud puff of typical liberal moral indignation.

houghtam
05-10-2013, 03:41 PM
Ok I watched the segment. I'm wondering what is specifically racist about it, because Maddow failed to explain it and instead went off on a loud puff of typical liberal moral indignation.

Then you weren't listening.

I'm not doing your research for you.

nyuk nyuk
05-10-2013, 03:50 PM
Then you weren't listening.

I'm not doing your research for you.

I've done the research. You're ticked off at a lack of equals signs. That doesn't tell me anything. What is your beef other than no equals signs? Is it the information is inaccurate or that it lacks equals signs and therefore you dislike it regardless and knee-jerk label it "racissss"?

I'm amused especially when liberals are so eager to post these isolated, hokey IQ tests which show conservatives allegedly have depressed IQ averages which liberals have also suggested be used to qualify these people for voting rights, but when it comes to multiple tests which show that pet groups that liberals favor have similarly lower averages, the loud bleating moral outrage and namecalling starts without any question to the accuracy of the testing. Which is it?

How about a little consistency here? So what's the problem? Bad, false data or what? What is "racist" about it?

houghtam
05-10-2013, 05:48 PM
I've done the research. You're ticked off at a lack of equals signs. That doesn't tell me anything. What is your beef other than no equals signs? Is it the information is inaccurate or that it lacks equals signs and therefore you dislike it regardless and knee-jerk label it "racissss"?

I'm amused especially when liberals are so eager to post these isolated, hokey IQ tests which show conservatives allegedly have depressed IQ averages which liberals have also suggested be used to qualify these people for voting rights, but when it comes to multiple tests which show that pet groups that liberals favor have similarly lower averages, the loud bleating moral outrage and namecalling starts without any question to the accuracy of the testing. Which is it?

How about a little consistency here? So what's the problem? Bad, false data or what? What is "racist" about it?

LOL nice try.

The IQ data isn't the story here. It's already questionable data presented by someone who posts regularly on a site that's a gate ring place for racist rhetoric.

You obviously either did not watch or could not understand the video, nor did you research any of the data or sites listed in the video.

Anyone with half a brain have a response to this (ie not you, dramallama?)

Requiem
05-10-2013, 05:58 PM
Just remember, race and IQ are linked according to Knuckles.

nyuk nyuk
05-10-2013, 06:02 PM
It is the story here. In fact it's the ONLY story here. It is why you and Menstrual Maddow are ****ting bricks.

You've explained nothing. You're being vague, you're being party line, and you're giggling like a child.

What IS the story here, then? What are you objecting to? If it's not the IQ data, then what? You say the data is questionable but instead of bolstering this with some source we can read, you instead try character assassination by association (wasn't it racist when they did that to Obama) in that he posts on a "racist" site which you likewise don't explain why is racist.

Why... is... it... racist?

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 11:01 AM
Due to this thread's unsubstantiated demonizing claims, I submit this thread be moved to The Butt.

peacepipe
05-11-2013, 11:05 AM
It's substantiated,the guy was forced to resign over it. Claiming IQs are related to someones race,is by definition racist.

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 11:09 AM
It's substantiated,the guy was forced to resign over it. Claiming Mexicans have lower IQs as a result of being Mexican,is by definition racist.

It's PC, and you're PC by that you automatically and blindly attack someone as "racist" without bothering to check if the data is accurate, and that's my point.

If this isn't a "butt" thread, I don't know what is.

peacepipe
05-11-2013, 11:13 AM
It's PC, and you're PC by that you automatically and blindly attack someone as "racist" without bothering to check if the data is accurate, and that's my point.

If this isn't a "butt" thread, I don't know what is.

Don't have to check cause any moron,except for you obviously, knows race isn't an indicator when it comes to IQ.

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 11:17 AM
Don't have to check cause any moron,except for you obviously, knows race isn't an indicator when it comes to IQ.

So I assume you have the education and expertise to know that these multiple international studies conducted over decades by people with advanced degrees in psychology are all hocus pocus.

If that's the case, I'd encourage you to help lend a hand to Maddow and houghtam, because they're having great difficulty.

I can only hope that this silly appeal to supposed popular knowledge (which it isn't) isn't the only defense you have for your attacking people, but I know better.

barryr
05-11-2013, 11:20 AM
Liberals call black conservatives idiots and puppets all day long, but that isn't racist of course.

peacepipe
05-11-2013, 11:37 AM
Liberals call black conservatives idiots and puppets all day long, but that isn't racist of course.

Conservatives are all idiots,race has nothing to do with it.

peacepipe
05-11-2013, 11:40 AM
So I assume you have the education and expertise to know that these multiple international studies conducted over decades by people with advanced degrees in psychology are all hocus pocus.

If that's the case, I'd encourage you to help lend a hand to Maddow and houghtam, because they're having great difficulty.

I can only hope that this silly appeal to supposed popular knowledge (which it isn't) isn't the only defense you have for your attacking people, but I know better.
Anyone with half a brain knows race isn't an indicator when it comes to intelligence.
If you want to call it hocus pocus, I'll call it BS used to justify ones racist views.

houghtam
05-11-2013, 12:42 PM
So I assume you have the education and expertise to know that these multiple international studies conducted over decades by people with advanced degrees in psychology are all hocus pocus.

If that's the case, I'd encourage you to help lend a hand to Maddow and houghtam, because they're having great difficulty.

I can only hope that this silly appeal to supposed popular knowledge (which it isn't) isn't the only defense you have for your attacking people, but I know better.

If you're really interested in the validity of IQ tests, google their criticisms. The psychological community is far from unanimously behind them. But you're not, you're just here to hear yourself talk.

And what part of "supposed Holocaust" isn't racist?

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 01:08 PM
LMAO....

Houghtam, take a basic college psychology course if you believe that ****. You're digging yourself into a deeper hole. Stop while you're ahead, I BEG YOU.

Peacepipe - I asked for more than namecalling and vague appeals to alleged popularity. You cannot provide anything else, as I suspected.

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 01:09 PM
Conservatives are all idiots,race has nothing to do with it.

Use appropriate grammar before calling names. You're saying what I already said earlier in this thread, that namely it's OK to call conservatives of lower than average IQ but if a pet liberal group gets called it... FOUL!

Thanks for proving my point. Your purpose is served here.

houghtam
05-11-2013, 01:35 PM
LMAO....

Houghtam, take a basic college psychology course if you believe that ****. You're digging yourself into a deeper hole. Stop while you're ahead, I BEG YOU.

Peacepipe - I asked for more than namecalling and vague appeals to alleged popularity. You cannot provide anything else, as I suspected.

The validity and bias of IQ tests is debated at even the lowest levels of psychology at the collegiate level. Unless you care to question the professors at Valparaiso, Michigan State an U. of Cincinnati where I took 3 years of educational psychology. Have you ever read Culture-Fair Cognitive Ability Assessment: Information Processing and Psychophysiological Approaches?

Have you ever actually taken a post-secondary course? Considering your epic failure in the last few threads, I'm beginning to think you're too stupid to pull off the dramallama/nyuk nyuk exchange.

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 02:07 PM
The validity and bias of IQ tests is debated at even the lowest levels of psychology at the collegiate level. Unless you care to question the professors at Valparaiso, Michigan State an U. of Cincinnati where I took 3 years of educational psychology. Have you ever read Culture-Fair Cognitive Ability Assessment: Information Processing and Psychophysiological Approaches?

Have you ever actually taken a post-secondary course? Considering your epic failure in the last few threads, I'm beginning to think you're too stupid to pull off the dramallama/nyuk nyuk exchange.

Epic failure where? Basic college freshman psychology - regardless of what textbook you use and who you take it with - teaches that IQ has been shown to be valid. Is there some dissent? Yes - but its validity is the accepted norm while you point at the small minority. Developmental psychology teaches the same about IQ and also that adopted twin longevity studies show IQ among other characteristics to have a heavy genetic input. I asked for information we can reasonably look up, not anecdote or hearsay or muscle flexing.

You said there was something in the video on the OP itself that had data we could look up. I didn't watch it all but did scroll through it and found no such thing. I saw something about Latino crime rates and an angry Latino guy.

Now let me ask one more time: What information do you have that shows the man you're railing against is "racist" other than that you don't like he mentioned data that isn't bathed in equals signs? Dealing with blind liberals such as yourself is like dealing with religious extremists; you both hate scientific data that contradicts your faith. You hate it and you persecute and demonize those who say otherwise.

You also claimed that IQ isn't the point of your grudge against him. What in fact, then, is? What makes him "racist"?

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 02:09 PM
Wait - this guy took 3 years of educational psychology and works in a movie theater?

houghtam
05-11-2013, 02:34 PM
Epic failure where? Basic college freshman psychology - regardless of what textbook you use and who you take it with - teaches that IQ has been shown to be valid. Is there some dissent? Yes - but its validity is the accepted norm while you point at the small minority. Developmental psychology teaches the same about IQ and also that adopted twin longevity studies show IQ among other characteristics to have a heavy genetic input. I asked for information we can reasonably look up, not anecdote or hearsay or muscle flexing.

You said there was something in the video on the OP itself that had data we could look up. I didn't watch it all but did scroll through it and found no such thing. I saw something about Latino crime rates and an angry Latino guy.

Now let me ask one more time: What information do you have that shows the man you're railing against is "racist" other than that you don't like he mentioned data that isn't bathed in equals signs? Dealing with blind liberals such as yourself is like dealing with religious extremists; you both hate scientific data that contradicts your faith. You hate it and you persecute and demonize those who say otherwise.

You also claimed that IQ isn't the point of your grudge against him. What in fact, then, is? What makes him "racist"?

Information you can reasonably look up? The paper I referenced is not only common knowledge, but is on the reading list for most educational psychology curricula I have had contact with. Now granted, I never attended Bob Jones University, but Valpo is a fairly conservative school, and it was taught their too.

The sites I was referring to weren't about the IQ data, they were about the nature of the site which he contributes to. Have you been there? I ask again, what part of suggesting the holocaust didn't happen isn't racist?

In the gun thread you suggested that the anti-gun lobby would produce studies biased in their results toward anti-gun sentiment. Now tell me, why is that the case, but when someone is closely associated with a website which not only suggests the holocaust didn't happen, but also discusses how "white people don't have anyone looking out for them", why wouldn't you hold that study to the same standards you held the anti-gun argument? Because you're either too dumb or too stubborn to realize you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Just like the time when you mentioned the possibility of left-wing influence on the Boston Marathon bombers, and then in the next post when someone suggested it could be a right-wing plot too, you chime in with "THIS ISN'T A LEFT OR RIGHT THING WHY ARE YOU POLITICIZING IT". Yeah. That happened. And the whole forum got a big laugh.

As far as my education vs my career goes, I'm not going to go into it, though suffice it to say if you've been around long enough, you can piece it together. It's not that hard.

Requiem
05-11-2013, 02:57 PM
Houghtam has gone 4-4 in this thread with 6 RBI's. One away from the cycle.

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 03:10 PM
Information you can reasonably look up? The paper I referenced is not only common knowledge

No, little papers like that aren't common knowledge; that's another baseles appeal to popularity. Commonly-used textbooks like I mentioned are common knowledge. I think you Googled it off the top of your head, to be honest. A few points here: 1) IQ testing is widely used in education as an important and valid tool, and you're trying to brush that off by pointing to a few alleged dissenters. If you'd actually have taken educational psychology you should know this. 2) IQ is as I said regarded consensus-wise in the field of psychology as valid and with heavy genetic input which you ignored, and 3) Decades of IQ tests have shown consistent results, including the Stanford-Binet which is thoroughly screened for bias in race, gender, religion, culture, and socioeconomic status. It shows similar gaps. You have a steep hill to climb to brush it off. 4) You're basically saying you have more knowledge and authority about the validity of IQ testing over PhDs in psycholgy who have been doing these tests internationally for decades. Puh-leaze.


I ask again, what part of suggesting the holocaust didn't happen isn't racist?

What kind of a-hole tries to associate IQ with the holocaust? Oh - a liberal one looking for a shield.

someone is closely associated with a website which not only suggests the holocaust didn't happen,

This is a cheap and cheesy way of trying to undermine someone without addressing what you actually have a beef with. Since when was someone held accountable for everything everyone else said on some publication he was printed on? Since when? GARBAGE.

Going to some website he's published on AFTER THE FACT to look for weapons to fish for guilt by association against him is cheap and shows you have nothing.

All this tells me is that you are attempting to invoke an ideological litmus test against this man as a way of not having to deal with his statements.


As far as my education vs my career goes, I'm not going to go into it, though suffice it to say if you've been around long enough, you can piece it together. It's not that hard.

Problemo - you haven't answered any of my points, and the more you talk (especially on these idiot tangents) indicates how little you know about psychology and IQ. Dude, you went from 3 years of educational psychology to movie theaters? You shouldn't be opening your yapper. Even if you had this education - you are not a PhD and you haven't worked in the field conducting these tests for decades. Whether you like it or not, this man is citing those who have. Now deal with that like a big boy and work from there.

You didn't answer what your beef is with this man and his statement about IQ. You still haven't explained that since IQ isn't your real beef with him, then what IS your beef? Instead, I get this long winding, long-winded avoidant garbage. I thought for a minute we were off to see the wonderful Wizard of Oz the tangent was so far off-track.

Furthermore, if you think it's all cultural, then you can explain why people from some northeast Asian countries score slightly higher on these same tests than whites? White supremacist plot, perhaps? Whitey be keepin teh yellow bruthaz down n sheeeeet?

So apparently IQ is a valid measure when it comes to spotting mentally retarded children who need help and and a valid measure when it comes to spotting low IQ criminals on death row to use as a reason to beg the court for clemency, but it's not a valid measure when it doesn't show different groups of people in a politically correct light, bathed in equals signs.

THAT is intelligent.

No -- you're just ticked off like all hell that it doesn't have equals signs for Latinos and you can't defend your hostility. Further, had the same tests come up with equal results that appeal to your philosophical views, you wouldn't be questioning their validity. End of story.

:yayaya:

NO EQUALS SIGNS? THERE IS GREAT EVIL HERE! OMG!

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 03:12 PM
Houghtam has gone 4-4 in this thread with 6 RBI's. One away from the cycle.

You're supposed to have me on ignore, little man. I'd say that we're now on page 2 and he's done nothing but link to one silly Goggle summary of one single paper, he's got a steep hill to climb. Especially with the level of expertise he is claiming to have.

Requiem
05-11-2013, 03:16 PM
You're supposed to have me on ignore, little man. I'd say that we're now on page 2 and he's done nothing but link to one silly Goggle summary of one single paper, he's got a steep hill to climb. Especially with the level of expertise he is claiming to have.

Houghtam and Nyuk Nyuk apply to a job at Requiem's Record Store.

*reads over qualifications*

Do I want the smart, self-starting individual who has the ability to make my sales go through the roof . . .

Or do I take a gamble and hire the ex-Communist, English major who has never put her degree to use and is currently licking **** off the rims of commodes at the local hospital?

Hm. What a hard choice!

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 03:21 PM
Aw, did he unignore me because he lubbs me??!!

Self-starters don't go from 3 years of upper division psych to movie theater management, brah. Just sayin'.

Requiem
05-11-2013, 03:26 PM
I would say that being a self-starter is a good quality for anyone in a managerial position to have.

houghtam
05-11-2013, 03:27 PM
Let Drama have the job. He's a BS artist. I think I've adequately addressed the racism issue on that site, as well as how it can affect the outcome of a study. That IQ tests are commonly (yes, commonly. your comments lead me to believe you have never stepped inside a high school psych class, let alone anything beyond that) believed to have a cultural bias which can affect the scores. This is something you learn in 101.

If you don't believe I've adequately addressed it, that's fine. We'll let the thread speak for itself, because I'm done arguing with you on the topic, particularly since you've proven time and time again that you can't take an objective stance on anything, and when I bring THAT up, you ignore it.

Listen, chump.

No one else ignored it.

Now go ahead and do your victory dance as if you think you've proven anything. You'll just keep looking stupid...but momma always said...

Drama is, as Llama does.

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 03:50 PM
You accused the man who wrote this paper of being a demon and have neither stated your case to why he's a racist nor as to why his data is wrong. You have now also claimed racial bias without stating a case for it, and you have not answered any of my points. You have called him a racist merely by that he made a statement of inequality and that alone. You have purposely avoided not only that the Stanford-Binet has been throughly screened for such biases, but you have also totally failed to explain why these alleged biases do not negatively impact northeast Asian IQ scores. You have purposely avoided that these tests have been taken over several decades and show consistent scores. You have not explained why if IQ tests are so iffy and up to question, why are they in common use and and are commonly regarded, even in courts of law.

You do not talk like someone who has taken upper division psychology classes. You act like an egalitarian movie theater manager with a search engine. You've given vague responses, tried to assassinate someone by making vague guilt by association claims rather than taking on his objectionable paper head-on, and you've tried to demonstrate a knowledge in a field you clearly and simply do not possess.

You have nothing except a popcorn machine and some group toilets to clean, movie theater man. Get to it, I want to see Gatsby.

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 03:53 PM
I would say that being a self-starter is a good quality for anyone in a managerial position to have.

I've had several managerial positions. They aren't exactly that hard to get. Maybe it seems that way if you've never had one.

cutthemdown
05-11-2013, 04:08 PM
Wait - this guy took 3 years of educational psychology and works in a movie theater?

He's Diane Chambers from Cheers.

cutthemdown
05-11-2013, 04:10 PM
I can totally see why Houghtams family hates him. :)

nyuk nyuk
05-11-2013, 05:16 PM
I want to know if this Heritage Foundation guy is a white supremacist or an Asian supremacist?!

Requiem
05-11-2013, 05:32 PM
I've had several managerial positions. They aren't exactly that hard to get. Maybe it seems that way if you've never had one.

You would have to address this point to someone who hasn't been in a position like that, commode licker.

cutthemdown
05-11-2013, 05:58 PM
Wow some of you were managers before? I was a manager at 18 at a chevron station/auto car wash so what? Unless you manage some big business you started I am not impressed. Then if you do that i am seriously impressed. Most companies have so many managers the ones who think they manage are really just lackeys who make 0 important decisions. Sorry Houghtam deciding who was going to clean theater 10, or who was going to sell popcorn, or is little suzie could have the night off is not real managing.

houghtam
05-11-2013, 06:01 PM
Wow some of you were managers before? I was a manager at 18 at a chevron station/auto car wash so what? Unless you manage some big business you started I am not impressed. Then if you do that i am seriously impressed. Most companies have so many managers the ones who think they manage are really just lackeys who make 0 important decisions. Sorry Houghtam deciding who was going to clean theater 10, or who was going to sell popcorn, or is little suzie could have the night off is not real managing.

Says the paralegal. LOL

You haven't a clue on what goes into theater management, warehouse management, or food & beverage management.

errand
05-12-2013, 07:59 PM
What's funnier is houghtam thinks his experience working in the movie theater gave him more credibility as to what would happen should his theater be the unfortunate victim of a clown with an AR-15 with an axe to grind...and being a typical pacifist pussy his answer was to not fight.

houghtam
05-12-2013, 08:37 PM
What's funnier is houghtam thinks his experience working in the movie theater gave him more credibility as to what would happen should his theater be the unfortunate victim of a clown with an AR-15 with an axe to grind...and being a typical pacifist p***Y his answer was to not fight.

LOL

Yeah, in fact why don't you link that discussion here so people can see once again what a blowhard full of crap fool you are.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 12:36 AM
Says the paralegal. LOL

You haven't a clue on what goes into theater management, warehouse management, or food & beverage management.

Your brother would probably like me more then you do. More then he likes you for sure.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 12:41 AM
What's funnier is houghtam thinks his experience working in the movie theater gave him more credibility as to what would happen should his theater be the unfortunate victim of a clown with an AR-15 with an axe to grind...and being a typical pacifist p***Y his answer was to not fight.

He thinks a scenario like what happened in India is a joke. I think terrorists with guns just fanning out one of the scariest MO's they have used. Right now my friends up north are packing all their heat. Assault rifles is they got them, handguns strapped on, because there is a killer on the loose and the police cant find him. Not sure if they got him yet I haven't heard back from him or seen a new report on the news yet.

There are many scenarios where Americans could find themselves in need of an assault rifle. Even if NYC or LA did decide we don't need them, what works in Los Angeles doesn't work in some more rural area.

I can agree that in 99 % of most situations our best bet is for the police to handle it, or I guess FBI if it gets really bad. But no one can say for sure what that 1% will end up being. It really could be some crazy terrorist walking down your street shooting people up.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 12:50 AM
Theater management. LOL I know a lot about it because our firm does the defense work for a bunch or arc light and pacific theaters.

I know one of the most important things is the cleaning log. We recommend that you get a good cleaning schedule then make employees initial it has been done.

Also we look for surfaces that will be slick when wet and recommend replacing them. We actually have a slip expert that tests surfaces. Most important though is a plan in place to deal with all spills asap. And an inspection schedule so no spill or dangerous condition could be present for long without being discovered.

Outside of getting sued I can't think of things that are super important. You know keep theater the right temp, start movies on time, have good service and friendly staff, make sure all the concessions are stocked so you don't run out. I mean cmon how hard could it be.

Hire a bunch of young kids part time and make a schedule. But not all of the staff make sure you have some older workers also to show kids how to be mature. I know for a fact the owners of the theater, and the insurance company, are mostly concerned with not getting sued. They know having a nice theater, good movies, great service will be the key to profits. But not getting sued will be the key to keeping them.

Then last i would guess most of the money made on concessions? So you would need to make sure people don't sneek too much in. Oh and keep the peoples cell phones off.

BAM i could manage a theater and would probably only need the current manager to show me some ropes. I do agree any job has a lot of knowledge you only get from doing the job. And for a business like the movies I wouldn't know how to fix a popcorn machine, or who to call, etc etc but I bet it doesn't take to long to teach someone that sort of information.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 01:07 AM
I will digress though. I bet Houghtam a top notch theater manager. The movies start on time, they don't get sued, they make money, and everyone loved Iron Man 3 tonight. Now if we could just help him repair that fracturced relationship with his brother. LOL.

I'm just messin with you Houghtam don't get so upset. :) It's all in fun unless people start punching throats.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 01:09 AM
What's funnier is houghtam thinks his experience working in the movie theater gave him more credibility as to what would happen should his theater be the unfortunate victim of a clown with an AR-15 with an axe to grind...and being a typical pacifist p***Y his answer was to not fight.

I'll be honest and say i have no idea what it would be like to have someone shooting at me. But I can see many instances where law abiding citizens could use an AR-15 or an AK-47. My question would then be whats better an AK or an AR and why? Someone recently told me an AK would be easier to get the ammo for.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 07:42 AM
Theater management. LOL I know a lot about it because our firm does the defense work for a bunch or arc light and pacific theaters.

I know one of the most important things is the cleaning log. We recommend that you get a good cleaning schedule then make employees initial it has been done.

Also we look for surfaces that will be slick when wet and recommend replacing them. We actually have a slip expert that tests surfaces. Most important though is a plan in place to deal with all spills asap. And an inspection schedule so no spill or dangerous condition could be present for long without being discovered.

Outside of getting sued I can't think of things that are super important. You know keep theater the right temp, start movies on time, have good service and friendly staff, make sure all the concessions are stocked so you don't run out. I mean cmon how hard could it be.

Hire a bunch of young kids part time and make a schedule. But not all of the staff make sure you have some older workers also to show kids how to be mature. I know for a fact the owners of the theater, and the insurance company, are mostly concerned with not getting sued. They know having a nice theater, good movies, great service will be the key to profits. But not getting sued will be the key to keeping them.

Then last i would guess most of the money made on concessions? So you would need to make sure people don't sneek too much in. Oh and keep the peoples cell phones off.

BAM i could manage a theater and would probably only need the current manager to show me some ropes. I do agree any job has a lot of knowledge you only get from doing the job. And for a business like the movies I wouldn't know how to fix a popcorn machine, or who to call, etc etc but I bet it doesn't take to long to teach someone that sort of information.

Hilarious!

You're absolutely right, you could do all that stuff. The unfortunate thing for you though, is that most of those responsibilities are taken care of by supervisors.

So congratulations, cut! I would hire you in at $8.00/hr working 30 hours a week beside a few college kids who major in film or are undecided.

Now go get a legal pad. Methinks you owe Sally Struthers a thank you note for your paralegal education. "You can major in business or accounting!"

Hilarious!

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 12:01 PM
I can't believe someone arguing about how hard their job is managing a movie theater lol.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 12:07 PM
I can't believe someone arguing about how hard their job is managing a movie theater lol.

I can't believe a paralegal is on record saying some of the dumbest things in the history of this message board.

Also, I never once said the job was "hard"...it's actually a pretty easy job to have if you have experience. It's very difficult to be a GOOD manager in the movie theater industry, given the variability, volatility, long hours at awkward times and constant turnover that employing young people brings, but I'm sure you could probably advance to assistant management after a few years with the floor staff. There was a special needs guy we employed once, in fact, that I think you could probably have learned a lot from.

I wouldn't really see you as a GM, though...even if I spent 5 years training you, you're really just too dense to do it...but yeah, I definitely think I could trust you counting milk duds with the proper training and supervision.

:)

Requiem
05-13-2013, 12:41 PM
Would you like jalepenos (JAH-LAH-PEN-OHS) with your nachos?

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 12:47 PM
Just remember, race and IQ are linked according to Knuckles.

Asian Americans would agree with

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 12:53 PM
I can't believe someone arguing about how hard their job is managing a movie theater lol.

I'm confused, in another thread Houghtham said he was one of those nerds that work at Best Buy ........ Awesome place, they give you a shirt with your name on it.

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 12:57 PM
Would you like jalepenos (JAH-LAH-PEN-OHS) with your nachos?

Did you learn that phrase from your summer job in Colorado when you were couch surfing off your buddies?

houghtam
05-13-2013, 01:13 PM
I'm confused, in another thread Houghtham said he was one of those nerds that work at Best Buy ........ Awesome place, they give you a shirt with your name on it.

You can have different jobs in your life, you know. I bet if you search even harder, you can find instances of me talking about working for the Cincinnati Reds and Bengals, a minor league baseball team, a minor league hockey team, going to graduate school, having a degree in German and speaking Latin.

Next you're going to tell me that since I attended high school I never attended elementary school?

Good try, guys. Keep em coming!

:rofl:

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 01:38 PM
You can have different jobs in your life, you know. I bet if you search even harder, you can find instances of me talking about working for the Cincinnati Reds and Bengals, a minor league baseball team, a minor league hockey team, going to graduate school, having a degree in German and speaking Latin.

Awesome I wish I was fluent in a dead language.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 01:41 PM
Awesome I wish I was fluent in a dead language.

LOL

You're barely fluent in English!

That was a piss poor attempt at Subjunctive Contrary to Fact.

Hilarious!

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 02:13 PM
LOL

You're barely fluent in English!

That was a piss poor attempt at Subjunctive Contrary to Fact.

Hilarious!

Yes there are justifications for the study of the Latin language but I’m just curious, when does the opportunity arise for you to speak Latin?

houghtam
05-13-2013, 02:21 PM
Yes there are justifications for the study of the Latin language but I’m just curious, when does the opportunity arise for you to speak Latin?

When I feel like it, more or less. Usually with friends with whom I've kept in touch from those days. I'm by no means fluent, but you don't study it for seven years and not end up with some sort of ability to speak it, no matter how little it's used in the real world.

I don't think I have ever met a single person who has studied Latin for the sole purpose of speaking it.

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 02:30 PM
When I feel like it, more or less. Usually with friends with whom I've kept in touch from those days. I'm by no means fluent, but you don't study it for seven years and not end up with some sort of ability to speak it, no matter how little it's used in the real world.

I don't think I have ever met a single person who has studied Latin for the sole purpose of speaking it.

tempus fugit "expressing concern that one's limited time is being consumed by something which may have little intrinsic substance or importance at that moment".

houghtam
05-13-2013, 02:36 PM
tempus fugit "expressing concern that one's limited time is being consumed by something which may have little intrinsic substance or importance at that moment".

ignoramus "An extremely ignorant person"

Requiem
05-13-2013, 02:39 PM
LOL

You're barely fluent in English!

That was a piss poor attempt at Subjunctive Contrary to Fact.

Hilarious!

English? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Might not be important to My Little Pony and his awesome business endeavor, but anyone interested in language, law, medicine, etc. would definitely benefit from taking it.

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 02:39 PM
ignoramus "An extremely ignorant person"

ignoramus "An extremely ignorant person",or a person who studies Latin for seven years .........................:rofl:

Requiem
05-13-2013, 02:41 PM
ignoramus "An extremely ignorant person"

Ab initio. . .

houghtam
05-13-2013, 02:43 PM
English? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Might not be important to My Little Pony and his awesome business endeavor, but anyone interested in language, law, medicine, etc. would definitely benefit from taking it.

Yep. I definitely wouldn't be fluent in German without my background in Latin. Nor would I have gotten 3 years of tuition paid for...wait, 4 if you count grad school. 5 if you count the money I was paid to go to grad school.

LOL

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 02:47 PM
English? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Might not be important to My Little Pony and his awesome business endeavor, but anyone interested in language, law, medicine, etc. would definitely benefit from taking it.

Come on "bad eyes" put your pop bottle glasses on and read the thread before you pop off.

Requiem
05-13-2013, 02:47 PM
Yep. I definitely wouldn't be fluent in German without my background in Latin. Nor would I have gotten 3 years of tuition paid for.

LOL

And at the very least, what is wrong with someone studying something they actually enjoy? Picking up languages and learning something new in that regard is always beneficial. Latin definitely helped with my German as well. Would be beneficial if taking a stroll through Vatican City too. </]:^|

Requiem
05-13-2013, 02:49 PM
Come on "bad eyes" put your pop bottle glasses on and read the thread before you pop off.

Terri Schiavo whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?

Requiem
05-13-2013, 02:51 PM
Asian Americans would agree with

Nah.

Pony Boy
05-13-2013, 02:52 PM
Yep. I definitely wouldn't be fluent in German without my background in Latin. Nor would I have gotten 3 years of tuition paid for...wait, 4 if you count grad school. 5 if you count the money I was paid to go to grad school.

LOL

And after all that education when did you realize you were "Best Buy" material. Was it when they said son "with you background in Latin and German, we are going to give you your own blue shirt with your name on it".

houghtam
05-13-2013, 03:00 PM
And at the very least, what is wrong with someone studying something they actually enjoy? Picking up languages and learning something new in that regard is always beneficial. Latin definitely helped with my German as well. Would be beneficial if taking a stroll through Vatican City too. </]:^|

That's what I say, and we're raising our kids that way as well. Go to college, get a degree. Study something that interests you while gaining skills in valuable areas. That way if you get to the end of your collegiate career like I did and discover that inter/intra-departmental politics are not something you want to deal with for the rest of your career, you have a valuable skill-set and years of experience to fall back on.

I love it when people put down others' areas of study, to be honest. I absolutely loved college. I rarely skipped class because 75% of the classes were something which fascinated me. I didn't rack up a ton of debt, got paid to teach while going to grad school...used my background to land a job at the theater, and now I've been semi-retired at home with my kids for going on two years.

Yeah, I've made some pretty bad choices.

Enjoy your 9-5's, chumps!

LOL

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 04:10 PM
See thats the difference. I didn't like school so much but I like to work and especially work on big money trials. Then obviously I love music and that is what keeps me going. Retired home with kids just sounds boring to me Houghtam. But.... if you are under 40 and don't have to make money then I guess theater management more lucrative then we all thought. What your wife make all the money?

Fedaykin
05-13-2013, 04:22 PM
Pretty funny watching all the threatened posturing by the resident idiots.


Oh my God, someone likes to use their brain? Not fair, I don't have one!

houghtam
05-13-2013, 04:43 PM
See thats the difference. I didn't like school so much but I like to work and especially work on big money trials. Then obviously I love music and that is what keeps me going. Retired home with kids just sounds boring to me Houghtam. But.... if you are under 40 and don't have to make money then I guess theater management more lucrative then we all thought. What your wife make all the money?

You would be surprised. I never made six figures, but that's hardly uncommon in that business. Actually it's hardly uncommon in retail management, either. There's a huge stigma attached to retail type management jobs, and they do have their unique challenges, but take best buy for example it's a multi-million dollar business. So is theater management. You work at a theater that handles a million patrons a year, at $10 a ticket and $4 per capita in concessions, well...you do the math, if you can.

Also cut...the idea that staying home with kids is all fun and games is pretty ridiculous. It's about priorities. Do you have kids? What do you think the kids will remember more, that they had a dad who worked their entire life to give them "stuff"? Or that they had a dad who stayed home with them, raised them right, and spent time with them?

In a world where so many people bemoan the state of the family, it never ceases to amaze me how quickly people are to criticize or look down on stay at home parents, particularly dads. That criticism more often than not comes from people who lean conservative, in my personal experience. I have literally no explanation for this. Perhaps you or one of your esteemed colleagues could answer that?

Requiem
05-13-2013, 04:51 PM
Pretty funny watching all the threatened posturing by the resident idiots.

It isn't surprising. Most of the people who bash higher education and the pursuit of it are the ones who never took the opportunity to better themselves in that regard.

Requiem
05-13-2013, 04:52 PM
You would be surprised. I never made six figures, but that's hardly uncommon in that business. Actually it's hardly uncommon in retail management, either. There's a huge stigma attached to retail type management jobs, and they do have their unique challenges, but take best buy for example it's a multi-million dollar business. So is theater management. You work at a theater that handles a million patrons a year, at $10 a ticket and $4 per capita in concessions, well...you do the math, if you can.

Is is true that most money at theaters come from concessions? Why is my Aquafina 4 dollars!? :peace:

DenverBrit
05-13-2013, 04:52 PM
Heritage Foundation to Theater Management in one thread.

Ahhh, the off-season on the Mane. :rofl:

Requiem
05-13-2013, 05:20 PM
Carrot cake Cliff Bars are phenomenal.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 05:22 PM
It isn't surprising. Most of the people who bash higher education and the pursuit of it are the ones who never took the opportunity to better themselves in that regard.

Not true at all it's just I got a degree in music and they really aren't worth that much. To me its worth a lot though. I wasn't bagging on someone staying home with kids. I was surprised that someone 35 yrs old could retire after only being a theater manager.

So maybe i don't speak German but i can read music. IMO that is a more important 2nd language because its spoken all over the world in every country. When i played on a cruise ship I would often be put into bands with guys I couldn't even talk to. But... like math music is universal and in that area we could communicate. I don't bag on education I only make fun of people who think because they have some degrees they think they are smarter in every subject then someone who doesn't. Some of the dumbest people I know have masters degrees. One guy I know designs computers and he can't even rig up his own fishing rod lol. But when my computer breaks he's the guy to call. I wouldn't say though he is smarter then my friend who owns the charter fishing boat. It's just they have knowledge in different areas.

Requiem
05-13-2013, 05:28 PM
Everyone has their own aptitude and skills. And yes, being able to read music and communicate to others (via instruments) is an incredibly important thing. Which is why I do that too. Music is awesome. Thinking about getting a Fender Champion 600 and modding it to go nanners.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 05:39 PM
Everyone has their own aptitude and skills. And yes, being able to read music and communicate to others (via instruments) is an incredibly important thing. Which is why I do that too. Music is awesome. Thinking about getting a Fender Champion 600 and modding it to go nanners.

Exactly and you wouldn't see me say you nothing about it because you didn't go to school for it. Just like someone could know a lot about any subject without going to school for it. Now those special people who are great in math with no training, that **** amazes me. Or little kids who can already shred on an instrument, amazing. There are special people but i bet most of us here on the Mane are of avg intelligence. The good news is humans are the smartest animal of the planet. So being avg not too bad.

Requiem
05-13-2013, 05:43 PM
Well when it comes to certain theory and really complex music stuff, I struggle. I just always liked music. Being in band for a while certainly didn't help. Very few people are virtuosos or prodigies. My jaw drops every time I see a YouTube of a little kid just getting down on a guitar. I've played for twelve years and really am proud of myself, but there are 10 years old out there who make me look like a dummy.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 05:50 PM
Not true at all it's just I got a degree in music and they really aren't worth that much. To me its worth a lot though. I wasn't bagging on someone staying home with kids. I was surprised that someone 35 yrs old could retire after only being a theater manager.

So maybe i don't speak German but i can read music. IMO that is a more important 2nd language because its spoken all over the world in every country. When i played on a cruise ship I would often be put into bands with guys I couldn't even talk to. But... like math music is universal and in that area we could communicate. I don't bag on education I only make fun of people who think because they have some degrees they think they are smarter in every subject then someone who doesn't. Some of the dumbest people I know have masters degrees. One guy I know designs computers and he can't even rig up his own fishing rod lol. But when my computer breaks he's the guy to call. I wouldn't say though he is smarter then my friend who owns the charter fishing boat. It's just they have knowledge in different areas.

But see, it's not really that. There's this thing called interdisciplinary education that some people on this board put down, yet it gives people a thorough education on the way things work in the world. Example: Dr. Broncenstein and others making asinine comments about Hitler and gun control...they would have never made these comments if they had taken (or paid attention during) a Western Civ class, a German Lit class, a Political Science class. Example: People making ignorant claims that fascism is a liberal movement...they would have never made these comments if they knew where it came from by taking (or paying attention during) a Western Civ class, a Roman History class, a Latin class. Example: Dramallama making "irrefutable" claims about the worth of IQ tests, and then when I spoke about educational psychology going on some rant about how a movie theater manager couldn't take 3 years of upper level psychology classes...apparently not understanding what educational psychology is, or that someone with designs on teaching for a living would be required to take educational psychology classes.

Everyone on the right always likes to joke about how students and professors are godless heathen libruls without any intelligence, when in fact interdisciplinary studies actually open your eyes to what makes the world turn. Instead they seem to live in an echo chamber that denigrates education gained for any other purpose than making money, then complain when anyone comes up with a different view than theirs.

I challenge everyone who missed out on a liberal arts education to "waste some money" at the local CC and take a history class or two. Take a history class that doesn't have the word "America" in it. Take a language class, and learn it without thinking "Man these people are backward! In English we say..."

But you are right, cut. Some of the most ignorant people come from high educational backgrounds. Unfortunately, in my experience, most of the "highly educated" dumb people don't have liberal arts degrees. They have degrees in computer science, medicine, and science. They are highly specialized degrees that prepare people for a highly specialized profession. IMO, they do not prepare people for the real world.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 05:50 PM
Req theory is so easy. Its being able to use the theory while chords are flying by that is super hard. Its why I only practice bebop jazz and don't really perform it. Just not good enough.

At the NAMM show this yr when my band played we had some really famous people there. Vinnie Coliuata, the CEO of Piaste cymbals, Stevie Wonder, Carmine Apiece just to name some of the big ones. What sucked is Stevie sat in with the band after us lol. What sucks worst is we play some of his songs it would have been epic. Whatever though maybe next yr.

A lot of guitar player just learn to read tab which is good, but not good enough to play of the cruise ships. They make sure you can read music. You don't have to be amazing at it but you have to be pretty good.

The thing with horn players is we start reading music in Jr high school band so most of them can do it.

Requiem
05-13-2013, 05:52 PM
I hate tabs for the most part because everyone gets them ****ing wrong or tunes to something stupidly retarded that makes a guitar sound like fifteen dudes blasting off bowel movements in a restroom.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 05:54 PM
Heritage Foundation to Theater Management in one thread.

Ahhh, the off-season on the Mane. :rofl:

That's it. I'm making an Everything You Wanted to Know About Theater Management* thread. :rofl:

What else do I have to do, the kids are at the in-laws and I've got a six pack of beer.



*but were afraid to ask

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 05:56 PM
The butter in the popcorn can kill you!

No we don't put subliminal messaging in the movies you buy the candy because you are addicted to sugar

Yes if we drop a hot dog on the floor we will still sell it to you.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 05:58 PM
Everyone has their own aptitude and skills. And yes, being able to read music and communicate to others (via instruments) is an incredibly important thing. Which is why I do that too. Music is awesome. Thinking about getting a Fender Champion 600 and modding it to go nanners.

Exactly and you wouldn't see me say you nothing about it because you didn't go to school for it. Just like someone could know a lot about any subject without going to school for it. Now those special people who are great in math with no training, that **** amazes me. Or little kids who can already shred on an instrument, amazing. There are special people but i bet most of us here on the Mane are of avg intelligence. The good news is humans are the smartest animal of the planet. So being avg not too bad.

I must say I do envy people who can read music. It may be a language, but it's not a language in a traditional sense, and my brain just doesn't work like that. I can pick up the basics of most languages just by looking at some charts, but music eludes me entirely. I have tried and tried, but I just can't read it. I have pretty decent pitch and can pick out a tune on the guitar, but my hands simply aren't quick enough to play anything but the most basic stuff (read: old school country music chords).

Fedaykin
05-13-2013, 06:49 PM
I must say I do envy people who can read music. It may be a language, but it's not a language in a traditional sense, and my brain just doesn't work like that. I can pick up the basics of most languages just by looking at some charts, but music eludes me entirely. I have tried and tried, but I just can't read it. I have pretty decent pitch and can pick out a tune on the guitar, but my hands simply aren't quick enough to play anything but the most basic stuff (read: old school country music chords).

Honest question: what do you find difficult about reading music? It is true that being able to *read* music and competently *play* music are two separate deals (it takes a lot of practice to read and play simultaneously), but the actual reading of sheet music at is just a matter of memorizing what written note corresponds to which pitch, which note symbol corresponds to note duration, understanding what the time signature means (how may beats per measure and what note is a single beat) and learning the meaning of a few Italian words ;).

Sure, you can get some crazy things like irrational time signatures but that's pretty rare and definitely in the "advanced music reading" category.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 06:58 PM
Honest question: what do you find difficult about reading music? It is true that being able to *read* music and competently *play* music are two separate deals (it takes a lot of practice to read and play simultaneously), but the actual reading of sheet music at is just a matter of memorizing what written note corresponds to which pitch, understanding what the time signature means (how may beats per measure and what note is a single beat) and learning the meaning of a few Italian words ;).

Sure, you can get some crazy things like irrational time signatures but that's pretty rare and definitely in the "advanced music reading" category.

I mean, I guess technically I can read mysic...I know that Every Good Boy Does Fine, and FACE. I can look at sheet music and say this is a quarter note half note whatever. What I have a hard time with is the translation from sheet to voice or instrument. I'm not sure if my brain just isn't fast enough with it to make the translation, or what...I'm sure part of it is just being frustrated with something seemingly so easy to a lot of other people.

Fedaykin
05-13-2013, 07:01 PM
I mean, I guess technically I can read mysic...I know that Every Good Boy Does Fine, and FACE. I can look at sheet music and say this is a quarter note half note whatever. What I have a hard time with is the translation from sheet to voice or instrument. I'm not sure if my brain just isn't fast enough with it to make the translation, or what...I'm sure part of it is just being frustrated with something seemingly so easy to a lot of other people.

Ahh yeah, that part takes a lot of time. I tend to work through sheet music and memorize the tune/fingerings/etc. using the actual sheet music as more of a guide/reminder while playing. I never was particularly good at picking up a completely new piece of music and playing it right away. With simple stuff sure, but not with the more complex music.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 07:03 PM
To read music your eyes need to always be one measure ahead. Also you have to practice sight reading a lot. Read a piece of music best you can and record it. Then listen to a real pro playing it perfect and see what you missed. Then practice those passages over and over. Most music repeats itself and one you can read it is actually easier.

I don't take for granted it came easy to me as a kid but really i suck compared to real pros at it. I am actually better just blowing improvised solos over rock, blues, and funk progressions.

Playing pro level jazz is a whole other ball game. You know who was really good but doesn't come around much is Houghtams brother LABF. :) he hated me also but he sent me some mp3 once. He is a fine guitarist.

houghtam
05-13-2013, 07:07 PM
Ahh yeah, that part takes a lot of time. I tend to work through sheet music and memorize the tune/fingerings/etc. using the actual sheet music as more of a guide/reminder while playing. I never was particularly good at picking up a completely new piece of music and playing it right away. With simple stuff sure, but not with the more complex music.

I was in Phi Mu Alpha in college. We did some men's chorus concerts, and there was one piece we did with some effing whacked out time signature like 19/12 (obviously that's not it, but it was nothing I'd ever heard of before). The guy who conducted us was a composition major and was trying to explain it to me and I was just like "give me the CD and I can learn it". I guess we're all wired differently because I think I frustrated the hell out of him.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 07:08 PM
Also getting a teacher who reads along with is a big help. That way you can play along with him while you are reading the music together.

Most of you probably did not have a real professional teacher and were self taught. Since I believe music is somehow natural to humans i am not surprised many become amazing with no lessons. Or actually become decent players like many of you might be etc etc. But like anything you really need instruction if you are of avg talent like most of us.

Still though once you get the rush of having even a small club full of people connected to your music its like a drug. Just playing music is also like a drug. But being in a kick ass band and grooving together like one player is hard to describe. Playing in a band that is tight and punchy time stands still and the part of your brain that processes stress gets shut off. It just melts away and for that brief time the music is all that matters.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 07:09 PM
Time signatures are easy also. If you guys can pass an algebra class you could learn time signatures.

cutthemdown
05-13-2013, 07:11 PM
But your right Houghtam we are wired to feel things in 4/4. Next easiest would probably be 2/4 which is just cut time. 3/4 not bad thats a waltz. But whats tough are pieces that have one or two measures of an odd time signature, then switch back.

Pro musicians when asked who was the toughest guys music to play? answer to many would be Frank Zappa. He used fast comelex chord structures and odd time signatures. Only a handfull of players good enough to be in his band. I for instance would be have been laughed out of the room. Honestly probably as bad as trying to get open vs Champ Bailey. Thats how good the musicianship was in his bands.

El Minion
05-14-2013, 11:34 AM
RNC Outreach Dir. Goes Democrat (http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/former-rnc-hispanic-outreach-director-in-florida-switches-to-democrat/2120764)

Nothing like switching political parties to hit ’em where it hurts. In an email Tuesday, Puerto Rico native Pablo Pantoja—appointed by the Republican National Committee to head Hispanic outreach in Florida—announced that he's joined the Democratic Party. "It doesn't take much to see the culture of intolerance surrounding the Republican Party today," he writes. To accurately illustrate what he calls the “racist innuendo" in the GOP, Pantoja cites a recent example of a researcher's dissertation, which focused on the likelihood that Hispanic immigrants' low IQs will lead to more Hispanic children with low IQs. "When the political discourse resorts to intolerance and hate, we all lose."