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Rohirrim
04-24-2013, 03:36 PM
Once again, the already fat get all the bacon.

The report, released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center, found that the mean net worth for the 7 percent of American households at the top of the wealth distribution rose by 28 percent between 2009 and 2011, the most recent data available.
Meanwhile, the mean net worth for the other 93 percent of American households fell by 4 percent during that period, according to Pew’s analysis of Census data.

http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2013/04/23/17880268-rich-got-richer-during-the-recovery-and-rest-got-poorer-study-says?lite

cutthemdown
04-24-2013, 03:45 PM
The real problem is the fact public sector workers way better off the private sector workers. This article from 2010 but still is relevant.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2010/09/10/public-sector-workers-are-the-new-privileged-elite-class

Take federal employees. For nine years in a row, they have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases. The result is that the total compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade, according to data from the federal Bureau of Economic Analysis. In 2008, the average wage for 1.9 million federal civilian workers was more than $79,000, versus an average of about $50,000 for the nation's 108 million private sector workers, measured in full-time equivalents, according to federal figures.


That is a bigger problem for me then the fact the super rich gain wealth way faster then me. I am more concerned with the fact i compete with fed employees making more then me, getting better bennies, getting paid with my tax dollars.

W*GS
04-24-2013, 04:15 PM
Apples and oranges, cut.

Government jobs typically require more education and training. The low-wage government jobs (janitorial, security, food service) have all been contracted out.

houghtam
04-24-2013, 04:32 PM
Apples and oranges, cut.

Government jobs typically require more education and training. The low-wage government jobs (janitorial, security, food service) have all been contracted out.

Yeah, that's a pretty outdated claim to make. Long gone are the days of graduating from high school and getting a good government job.

elsid13
04-24-2013, 04:33 PM
Apples and oranges, cut.

Government jobs typically require more education and training. The low-wage government jobs (janitorial, security, food service) have all been contracted out.

Exactly.

elsid13
04-24-2013, 04:36 PM
Yeah, that's a pretty outdated claim to make. Long gone are the days of graduating from high school and getting a good government job.

It is claim certain Republican make when the want to change the subject. Blame the civil services, we don't know what they do but they make to much money.

cutthemdown
04-24-2013, 04:56 PM
yeah you want to compare yourself to the super rich but a comparison to fed employees totally unwarranted? What do you have in common with a super rich guy that also probably has tons of school and experience. You think comparing yourself to warren buffet makes sense? Of course his wealth grows faster he has more of it.

It's a way better comparison fed to private. We all slug out the same 40 hour work weeks. You can throw in city and state workers as well.

elsid13
04-24-2013, 05:33 PM
yeah you want to compare yourself to the super rich but a comparison to fed employees totally unwarranted? What do you have in common with a super rich guy that also probably has tons of school and experience. You think comparing yourself to warren buffet makes sense? Of course his wealth grows faster he has more of it.

It's a way better comparison fed to private. We all slug out the same 40 hour work weeks. You can throw in city and state workers as well.

So you really think civil service is the problem? That the pay and benefits of teachers, park rangers, cops, border patrol, military, lawyers, doctors, medical researchers, air traffic controllers, food inspectors, FBI agents, CIA and rocket scientists at JPL, is what slowing the economy down?

El Minion
04-24-2013, 05:54 PM
http://www.rottenecards.com/ecards/Rottenecards_38467675_kjy6bs7tkd.png

cutthemdown
04-24-2013, 07:10 PM
The problem is just lack of growth I was only saying its a bigger problem then how much a CEO makes. I think the whole thread not very important.

The problem is agencies like the EPA holding up projects all over the country that could be job growth and money. The EPA trying to hold up Keystone only one example. Then also energy prices so high right now that is a big problem. Electricity is a joke because they closed too many coal fired plants down. Then they bailed out the banks so home prices could stay super high making no ones pay enough to really live. They should have let places like CA just crash down to affordable prices. Govt ****ed with the market too much. Then Obamacare is a trainwreck. We should start a thread just about that again. Even dem governors cutting part time state employees and sending them to the exchanges. Its going to cost people pay checks and higher taxes. His taxes probably not a huge problem yet but the assault by the EPA all over the country probably is.

cutthemdown
04-24-2013, 07:11 PM
Poor people hardly pay any tax. Rich people make there money selling stuff to the middle class.

houghtam
04-24-2013, 07:26 PM
Cut, this is the third time you've made that claim about Obamacare without providing a link.

Which states besides Virginia have done this? Can you provide a link so we can discuss the circumstances rather than you just saying OBAMACARE IS FALE over and over again?

orinjkrush
04-24-2013, 07:28 PM
working people bitching at working people. the way the rich keep the serfs down.

Requiem
04-24-2013, 08:38 PM
A lot of Department's and offices within the Federal Government haven't been hiring people because of what has been going on. There are still positions in our office that haven't been filled in the year I have been working here because of hiring freezes. For the past several years, a lot of the places haven't been giving "raises" (in step grade, etc.) for MOST employees.

FWIW, there are a lot of jobs within the government (especially engineers) who make a lot less $ wage wise in comparison to their private industry counterparts. This also goes for a lot of other positions. The difference is the benefits, which are great, but you can't really piss on people for going for those. There are a lot of people who would much rather make 35k a year on an entry level GS-4 job with benefits that amount to 10-12k a year than getting 45k a year and not getting much benefits and having to pay out of pocket for health care, dental, etc.

errand
04-24-2013, 08:52 PM
Apples and oranges, cut.

Government jobs typically require more education and training. The low-wage government jobs (janitorial, security, food service) have all been contracted out.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

errand
04-24-2013, 09:00 PM
Once again, the already fat get all the bacon.

The report, released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center, found that the mean net worth for the 7 percent of American households at the top of the wealth distribution rose by 28 percent between 2009 and 2011, the most recent data available.
Meanwhile, the mean net worth for the other 93 percent of American households fell by 4 percent during that period, according to Pew’s analysis of Census data.

http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2013/04/23/17880268-rich-got-richer-during-the-recovery-and-rest-got-poorer-study-says?lite

Funny but didn't the Dems hold power in the WH, Senate, and House those years?

houghtam
04-24-2013, 09:22 PM
Funny but didn't the Dems hold power in the WH, Senate, and House those years?

Because we all know policy takes place and its effects take place immediately.

cutthemdown
04-25-2013, 02:23 AM
Looking at the professionals is not the problem. The CBO study awhile back showed that only about half of federal employees do have degrees. The ones who don't have degrees get benefits at about 40-45% better then civilians.

Also i doubt its so much the pay as federal depts need to trim fat and provide the same service with less personal. I'm sure the defense dept could find some civilian professionals they could do without.

Also its the benefits that far outstrip the private sector more then the wage. None of this though the reason the economy not doing better. Thats just because Obamas policies don't promote growth.

cutthemdown
04-25-2013, 02:27 AM
Because we all know policy takes place and its effects take place immediately.

You've had like 13 of the last 21 yrs right? i hope it starts working soon but obamacare sounds more and more like a trainwreck as its costs sckyrocket. Whoever the next President is may not be so married to it. If Obamacare doesn't work what would that mean for his legacy in liberals eyes. What if it really doesn't add up? So many more people are going to head to the exchanges I doubt the feds will find the money to pay for there end of it.

BroncoBeavis
04-25-2013, 06:48 AM
You've had like 13 of the last 21 yrs right? i hope it starts working soon but obamacare sounds more and more like a trainwreck as its costs sckyrocket. Whoever the next President is may not be so married to it. If Obamacare doesn't work what would that mean for his legacy in liberals eyes. What if it really doesn't add up? So many more people are going to head to the exchanges I doubt the feds will find the money to pay for there end of it.

I hear the train wreck a comin'. Its rollin' round the bend.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/25/congress-wants-to-exempt-itself-from-obamacare.html

Rohirrim
04-25-2013, 08:05 AM
Right wingers will do backflips and gyrations unlimited in order to deny the fact that America's is the most unequal industrial economy on the planet. Dangerously unequal, in fact. They're like the Boston bombers' mother who now claims there was no bombing, it was a government conspiracy, there was no blood - it was paint. It's a shame that right wingers don't even have the sense of a monkey.

Even monkeys know when they're getting ****ed:
http://www.upworthy.com/2-monkeys-were-paid-unequally-see-what-happens-next

BroncoBeavis
04-25-2013, 08:25 AM
Right wingers will do backflips and gyrations unlimited in order to deny the fact that America's is the most unequal industrial economy on the planet. Dangerously unequal, in fact. They're like the Boston bombers' mother who now claims there was no bombing, it was a government conspiracy, there was no blood - it was paint. It's a shame that right wingers don't even have the sense of a monkey.

Even monkeys know when they're getting ****ed:
http://www.upworthy.com/2-monkeys-were-paid-unequally-see-what-happens-next

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203752604576641683529031952.html

Yet DC lives highest on the hog. Maybe I agree with you this time. Let's take OUR money back. LOL