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Pony Boy
04-09-2013, 12:57 PM
MSNBC says "We need to get over the notion that as parents our kids belong to us".

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"We need to break away from the idea that kids belong to their parents or families and recognize they belong to the whole community" ... wow all I can say is if that doesn't strike you as left wing garbage to say the least, you must not have children.

BroncoBeavis
04-09-2013, 01:07 PM
All your future Ponzi victims are belong to us. :)

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 01:08 PM
It's a removal of responsibility from parents onto society, which frankly is not only a way of scapegoating but also de-legitimizing society by presenting it as the reason why individuals act like crap. And yes, this is pretty radical leftist ideals and it's very standard-issue by their philosophy. I haven't looked up this female, but I'd guess she's involved in critical theory circles in some manner. I think she's a sociologist, IIRC, and that field was in part founded by Karl Marx.

Pony Boy
04-09-2013, 01:14 PM
All your future Ponzi victims are belong to us. :)

Can anyone out there send one of our community kids over to mow my yard ?

W*GS
04-09-2013, 01:24 PM
You guys are just mad that parents can't treat their kids like **** and we're all supposed to look away.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 01:26 PM
Of course, Bimbaugh blabbered some lies about what she said, and being the good little Bimbaugh blower, Pony dittoed what that fat lardass said without question.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/08/how-the-right-is-distorting-melissa-harris-perr/193532

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 01:27 PM
You guys are just mad that parents can't treat their kids like **** and we're all supposed to look away.

Actually, communities were always involved in speaking up when wayward children were so. Neighbors would turn kids in in a snap to the parents, but then the lefties began screaming, MIND YOUR BUSINESS and now nobody is willing to get involved.

Congratulations for this moral progress your kind have bestowed upon us.

Furthermore, this isn't about parents treating kids like crap and expecting others to look away.

Pony Boy
04-09-2013, 01:42 PM
Hitler realized how important it was to control the youth and he was able to transfer power from the institution of the home to his own social and political institutions.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 01:44 PM
Furthermore, this isn't about parents treating kids like crap and expecting others to look away.

That's exactly what the Right wants.

Molest/beat the **** out of/abuse your kid because that's a parent's "right".

W*GS
04-09-2013, 01:45 PM
Hitler realized how important it was to control the youth and he was able to transfer power from the institution of the home to his own social and political institutions.

Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 02:07 PM
That's exactly what the Right wants.

Molest/beat the **** out of/abuse your kid because that's a parent's "right".

Wow that's epic genius. To this day, the ones I see screeching "Mind your own ****ing business" aren't conservatives. I see hippies, people in Obama shirts, and other sorts of dreck doing it.

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 02:08 PM
Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law)

Or calling people racists, KKK, etc.

Keep it mind.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 02:17 PM
Wow that's epic genius. To this day, the ones I see screeching "Mind your own ****ing business" aren't conservatives. I see hippies, people in Obama shirts, and other sorts of dreck doing it.

You forgot libertarians. That's their mantra.

When it comes to parents and kids, conservatives definitely fall into the "None of your ****ing business" category.

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 03:01 PM
You forgot libertarians. That's their mantra.

When it comes to parents and kids, conservatives definitely fall into the "None of your ****ing business" category.

Libertarians are open border liberals with guns, basically. They aren't that conservative and they aren't in that much touch with reality. They're idiots.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 03:09 PM
The central tenet of liberalism is the abolishment of personal responsibility. Nothing requires more personal responsibility than raising children. Harris-Perry's comments should come as no surprise.

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 03:14 PM
The central tenet of liberalism is the abolishment of personal responsibility. Nothing requires more personal responsibility than raising children. Harris-Perry's comments should come as no surprise.

People complain every time I mention that mainstream liberalism has been infected by Marxism, but I'm sorry it simply has, and this is one of the ways it has been affected by it. Bashing of the traditional nuclear family and viewing it as an institution of oppression (that's in the Communist Manifesto) as well as the idea of taking children and raising them communally (which is an indirect version of what this woman is insinuating).

W*GS
04-09-2013, 03:18 PM
The central tenet of liberalism is the abolishment of personal responsibility.

If conservatives such as yourself took responsibility for their fackups, their hypocrisy would diminish a little.

When you gonna 'fess up that 2001-2009 was a colossal case of irresponsibility on your part?

W*GS
04-09-2013, 03:19 PM
People complain every time I mention that mainstream liberalism has been infected by Marxism, but I'm sorry it simply has,

I'm not sorry that you continually make idiotic statements like this.

Wipes out what little cred you have.

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 03:22 PM
I'm not sorry that you continually make idiotic statements like this.

Wipes out what little cred you have.

Because there really is no ideological crossover, nor are there card carrying Socialists in the Democratic Party, nor does the CPUSA continually and endlessly back Democratic candidates, nor did an Obama campaign office have a Che picture on the wall.

All mere coincidences.

And surely you'd have naught to say if a bunch of open Nazis were in the ranks of and otherwise supporting the GOP.

Nah, just throw yet another post of deflective ad hominem, spike the ball, and move on.

Go ahead.

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 03:27 PM
If conservatives such as yourself took responsibility for their fackups, their hypocrisy would diminish a little.

When you gonna 'fess up that 2001-2009 was a colossal case of irresponsibility on your part?

If you can't distinguish **** ups from a subversive Marxist philosophy getting its grip on the mainstream US left, I don't know what to tell you. This woman may as well be lifting from the Communist Manifesto.

Pony Boy
04-09-2013, 03:36 PM
The central tenet of liberalism is the abolishment of personal responsibility. Nothing requires more personal responsibility than raising children. Harris-Perry's comments should come as no surprise.

It is amazing that Perry is allowed to promote this type of type of leftist rant to her young “skulls full of mush” at Tulane University. The parents of her students should ask the community to pay the 50K per year they fork out for this crap.

Pony Boy
04-09-2013, 03:42 PM
If conservatives such as yourself took responsibility for their fackups, their hypocrisy would diminish a little.

When you gonna 'fess up that 2001-2009 was a colossal case of irresponsibility on your part?

Yes, I think Doc was in medical school and surgery residency during those years, but you’re right what a colossal case of irresponsibility on his part ……………:rofl:

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 03:47 PM
It is amazing that Perry is allowed to promote this type of type of leftist rant to her young “skulls full of mush” at Tulane University. The parents of her students should ask the community to pay the 50K per year they fork out for this crap.

It makes me glad I ignored the recruiting letter I got from Tulane years ago.

Jetmeck
04-09-2013, 03:50 PM
Hitler realized how important it was to control the youth and he was able to transfer power from the institution of the home to his own social and political institutions.


Please help me understand how you gleaned this from what she said ?

Come on now you realize that is not what she meant.......talk about looking for something that isn't there.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 03:58 PM
If you can't distinguish **** ups from a subversive Marxist philosophy getting its grip on the mainstream US left, I don't know what to tell you. This woman may as well be lifting from the Communist Manifesto.

Thanks for proving you're a dittohead.

The more you write, the more stupid your comments.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 03:58 PM
Because there really is no ideological crossover, nor are there card carrying Socialists in the Democratic Party, nor does the CPUSA continually and endlessly back Democratic candidates, nor did an Obama campaign office have a Che picture on the wall.

All mere coincidences.

And surely you'd have naught to say if a bunch of open Nazis were in the ranks of and otherwise supporting the GOP.

Nah, just throw yet another post of deflective ad hominem, spike the ball, and move on.

Go ahead.

You're digging your own hole - you don't need my help.

Pony Boy
04-09-2013, 04:11 PM
Please help me understand how you gleaned this from what she said ?

Come on now you realize that is not what she meant.......talk about looking for something that isn't there.

I didn't say that's what she said or meant, I said that “Hitler realized how important it was to control the youth.

Obviously she also realizes how easy it is to control the young mush minds that she teaches at Tulane and would like take that job away from the parents and make good little liberals out of all our kids.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 04:23 PM
I didn't say that's what she said or meant, I said that “Hitler realized how important it was to control the youth.

Obviously she also realizes how easy it is to control the young mush minds that she teaches at Tulane and would like take that job away from the parents and make good little liberals out of all our kids.

At least you never went to college and suffered the indignity of an intellectual challenge to your conservative beliefs.

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 04:31 PM
At least you never went to college and suffered the indignity of an intellectual challenge to your conservative beliefs.

At least you admit college professors are far more likely to be leftwing zealots who try to pound their views on people. I agree - one of the first professors I had was exactly that, and she was racially abusive to boot.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 04:44 PM
At least you admit college professors are far more likely to be leftwing zealots who try to pound their views on people.

I said nothing of the sort.

Is not conservatism intellectually strong enough to withstand even the most ardent and vigorous testing?

Apparently not.

Requiem
04-09-2013, 05:36 PM
I find it hilarious that most of the people who talk about college professors pushing their views on people never ended up getting a degree in the first place.

Never had any POLS professors press any views on me ever.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 05:46 PM
I find it hilarious that most of the people who talk about college professors pushing their views on people never ended up getting a degree in the first place.

Never had any POLS professors press any views on me ever.

Yep. Most of the right-wing whiners never set foot on a college campus.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 06:17 PM
If conservatives such as yourself took responsibility for their fackups, their hypocrisy would diminish a little.

When you gonna 'fess up that 2001-2009 was a colossal case of irresponsibility on your part?

You mean that period of time where I went from medical student, to surgical resident, then parent 4x over and highly successful surgeon?

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 06:20 PM
Liberal profs admit they’d discriminate against conservatives (http://www.chicagonow.com/dennis-byrnes-barbershop/2012/08/liberal-profs-admit-they’d-discriminate-against-conservatives/)

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 06:22 PM
I find it hilarious that most of the people who talk about college professors pushing their views on people never ended up getting a degree in the first place.

Never had any POLS professors press any views on me ever.

You mean like how people armchair quarterback over a movie theater they've never set foot into?

You never saw bias in textbooks? Some kind of ideological lean?

Requiem
04-09-2013, 06:37 PM
You mean like how people armchair quarterback over a movie theater they've never set foot into?

You snapping photographs of the theater Holmes decided to go Papadopoulos in doesn't mean anything other than you have way too much time on your hands to try and change the minds of people online who obviously DGAF. Pretty sure I saw enough of what Fed, Houghtam and others had to say regarding your pictures, etc. to come to the conclusion that what you posted probably shouldn't be taken seriously.

You never saw bias in textbooks? Some kind of ideological lean?

Would have depended on the book. It wasn't as if the professors were somehow secretly conspiring to promote a liberal agenda in their classroom. Out of all the POLS professors I had, I can think of ONE liberal and that was based on conversations with him during advising hours or when I was shooting the **** inbetween private research and projects for the department. A mark of a good professor is not allowing personal bias to come in to the way they approach their discipline. Politics may certainly have bias, but learning about issues involved in the process doesn't have to be part of a grand orchestrated scheme.

FWIW, most of the people who were in the POLS/LAW program were ROTC/Military kids or pretty staunch conservatives. I can think of a few outspoken liberals, but most of them were pretty out of touch and kept quiet in the classroom after a lot of people pointed out how dumb they were. Happened to most kids. Some people just didn't get it.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 06:59 PM
Your child belongs to the collective, citizen.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 07:06 PM
Congratulations on your choice to allow the birth of your fetus, citizen. We will take it from here.

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 07:07 PM
You snapping photographs of the theater Holmes decided to go Papadopoulos in doesn't mean anything other than you have way too much time on your hands to try and change the minds of people online who obviously DGAF. Pretty sure I saw enough of what Fed, Houghtam and others had to say regarding your pictures, etc. to come to the conclusion that what you posted probably shouldn't be taken seriously.

My pictures were as true to life as possible as I explained and I was trashed for making that effort. Apparently I should have left the camera at default which meant very dark indoor pictures that bear zero resemblance to what the naked eye could see.

It doesn't take genius to understand that even a single ccw holder could have drastically changed things that night, and that's the bottom line.



Would have depended on the book. It wasn't as if the professors were somehow secretly conspiring to promote a liberal agenda in their classroom. Out of all the POLS professors I had, I can think of ONE liberal and that was based on conversations with him during advising hours or when I was shooting the **** inbetween private research and projects for the department. A mark of a good professor is not allowing personal bias to come in to the way they approach their discipline. Politics may certainly have bias, but learning about issues involved in the process doesn't have to be part of a grand orchestrated scheme.

This is true but it's not always the case. Certain disciplines such as sociology and anthropology are riddled with left-wing philosophies in their origins. Marx was a founder of the discipline of sociology and all too often the use of Marxist class conflict theory is seen in their work, especially in the field of critical theory which has its origins heavily in Marxist thought. Some universities give degrees in "activist anthropology" which itself should ring alarm bells. This stuff goes on all too often, and unfortunately those who engage in it get away with it in the name of "academic freedom." My former English professor from hell is still at her job doing the same old crap in spite of complaints from myself and others.

nyuk nyuk
04-09-2013, 07:09 PM
Your child belongs to the collective, citizen.

Reminds me of Soviet communal child rearing in which the women were "freed" to work. They viewed the traditional family unit as bourgeoisie and oppressive so they fought to break it up - just like Marx and Engels had wanted.

Pony Boy
04-09-2013, 07:09 PM
Your child belongs to the collective, citizen.

Yes, “It Takes a Village to Raise a Village Idiot”.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 07:14 PM
You will find your task of licking our boots to be easier without the burden of parental responsibility, citizen.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 07:17 PM
You mean that period of time where I went from medical student, to surgical resident, then parent 4x over and highly successful surgeon?

The two times you voted for Bush.

At least his wars gave you plenty of wounded vets to perform your medical expertise upon. You'll be busy for a loooong time.

Proud?

W*GS
04-09-2013, 07:18 PM
My former English professor from hell is still at her job doing the same old crap in spite of complaints from myself and others.

I didn't realize diploma mills had campuses.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 07:31 PM
We aren't suggesting that you terminate your fetus, but you are empowered with independence in this sacred freedom. Should you choose poorly we will have no choice but to intervene on the behalf of the collective, citizen.

W*GS
04-09-2013, 07:35 PM
Remind me to avoid you as a medical professional. Based on your dogma, you should stick to veterinary services - preferably invertebrates.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 07:42 PM
Remind me to avoid you as a medical professional. Based on your dogma, you should stick to veterinary services - preferably invertebrates.

Lol. You so original.

Requiem
04-09-2013, 07:50 PM
This is true but it's not always the case.

For me it was true.

Certain disciplines such as sociology and anthropology are riddled with left-wing philosophies in their origins.

It would depend on what theorist you are going after. Didn't care for sociology, but ANTH was my secondary major and loved every bit of it. Mostly the biological/evolutionary stuff because I go to work with Egyptian remains and bog mummies. Fun stuff.

Marx was a founder of the discipline of sociology and all too often the use of Marxist class conflict theory is seen in their work, especially in the field of critical theory which has its origins heavily in Marxist thought.

One of the founders, but differed greatly from his peers. A more objective look would come from Comte, Durkheim, Spencer, etc.

Some universities give degrees in "activist anthropology" which itself should ring alarm bells. This stuff goes on all too often, and unfortunately those who engage in it get away with it in the name of "academic freedom." My former English professor from hell is still at her job doing the same old crap in spite of complaints from myself and others.

Which would be more of an area of emphasis within the degree, rather than one of its major sub-fields. It would fall under the cultural sub-field. Not that there is anything wrong with that. There aren't many places that offer a "degree" for Activist Anthropology. More in line studies associated in the cultural realm that deal with engagement in social issues and stress a lot of works regarding Franz Boas.

I'm for people going after whatever they enjoy. As long as people can make use of what they learned and connect the dots afterwards, it should be all good. I liked POLS and ANTH a lot and have found them to be great stepping stones for what I have done in and after school. Probably should have went COMP SCI if I wanted to make the gig $, but I have enough technical skills and expertise in that area where I didn't need a degree to demonstrate my abilities in that realm.

Good times, good times.

cutthemdown
04-09-2013, 07:59 PM
it takes a village.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 08:00 PM
That's a nice nuclear family you've got there, citizen. Would be a shame if anything happened to it.

cutthemdown
04-09-2013, 08:07 PM
It is amazing that Perry is allowed to promote this type of type of leftist rant to her young “skulls full of mush” at Tulane University. The parents of her students should ask the community to pay the 50K per year they fork out for this crap.

when the student loan bubble pops we all will pay for it don't worry. They make college so expesive but then also put out easy to get loans for students. The artifical market response is school costs out of control.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-09-2013, 09:50 PM
Citizen, place your newborn fetus in the cradle-to-grave collective and slowly back away. Don't do anything crazy like attempting to instill morals or (gasp) invoke the parental instincts of the sperm donor.

cutthemdown
04-10-2013, 01:29 AM
I know a few parents who probably wish their kids didn't belong to them.

cutthemdown
04-10-2013, 01:32 AM
Citizen, place your newborn fetus in the cradle-to-grave collective and slowly back away. Don't do anything crazy like attempting to instill morals or (gasp) invoke the parental instincts of the sperm donor.

Don't forget if you don't want baby rip it from the mothers womb and discard in trash.

Seriously 10 thousand yrs from now if some advanced race is studying our culture what would they think of abortion?

cutthemdown
04-10-2013, 01:33 AM
Hell if you could really just give kids to the govt and they took it from there i would probably have some kids lol.

errand
04-10-2013, 02:29 AM
You guys are just mad that parents can't treat their kids like **** and we're all supposed to look away.

People like you makes me wish sometimes that parents could have a retroactive stand on abortion

elsid13
04-10-2013, 02:36 AM
You mean like how people armchair quarterback over a movie theater they've never set foot into?

You never saw bias in textbooks? Some kind of ideological lean?

Conservative State Board of Education across the country have been rewriting history and social studies in primary and secondary education for years and you want to point out bias in college text books. There is bias in text books but not liberal or progressive as you claim.

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 05:49 AM
Conservative State Board of Education across the country have been rewriting history and social studies in primary and secondary education for years and you want to point out bias in college text books. There is bias in text books but not liberal or progressive as you claim.

LOL

Dr. Broncenstein
04-10-2013, 06:31 AM
Citizen,

In appreciation for abandoning personal responsiblity we would like to present you with a biweekly monetary paternal substitute.

The Collective

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 07:37 AM
http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2010/08/30/ideological-war-spells-doom-for-americas-schoolkids/

This was a really interesting (and balanced) read on education and indoctrination. Zealots need not apply. :)

Pony Boy
04-10-2013, 07:51 AM
when the student loan bubble pops we all will pay for it don't worry. They make college so expesive but then also put out easy to get loans for students. The artifical market response is school costs out of control.

The problem is students borrow 100 to 150 thousand dollars to earn a worthless degree in Psychology, Sociology or even worse Communications or Hospitality/Tourism. If you can find a job and that's a big if, your starting salary will be around 30K with a max of 50K.

Which leaves you living in your grand parent’s basement and pounding on the keyboard all day and night as an internet guru or chatting online with sexy babes?

baja
04-10-2013, 09:16 AM
You guys are just mad that parents can't treat their kids like **** and we're all supposed to look away.

I think I will take our kids alligator hunting have them ready by 5 AM.


Oh and give them name tags

Dr. Broncenstein
04-10-2013, 09:17 AM
The problem is students borrow 100 to 150 thousand dollars to earn a worthless degree in Psychology, Sociology or even worse Communications or Hospitality/Tourism. If you can find a job and that's a big if, your starting salary will be around 30K with a max of 50K.

Which leaves you living in your grand parent’s basement and pounding on the keyboard all day and night as an internet guru or chatting online with sexy babes?

Don't be jealous because he hangs out and chats with babes online all day. Besides, he's training to be a cage fighter.

defilade
04-10-2013, 09:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okjg7ES4ECU

Hitler would be proud!

Pony Boy
04-10-2013, 11:37 AM
Don't be jealous because he hangs out and chats with babes online all day. Besides, he's training to be a cage fighter.

32223

Requiem
04-10-2013, 12:05 PM
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

defilade
04-10-2013, 01:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOtGr1JFCnE

DenverDynamite
04-10-2013, 01:27 PM
I don't like her choice of words but isn't she just saying that as a society we all have a common interest in educating children? ...Even if you don't have kids you should want to invest in education because you don't want the generation coming after you to be stupid?

Pony Boy
04-10-2013, 01:59 PM
I don't like her choice of words but isn't she just saying that as a society we all have a common interest in educating children? ...Even if you don't have kids you should want to invest in education because you don't want the generation coming after you to be stupid?

Educating children and trying to separate a mother bear from her cub are two different things. A parent can have total control of their child and still see they receive a proper education. The educators need to concentrate on the three R's and leave rest to the nuclear family

DenverDynamite
04-10-2013, 02:16 PM
Educating children and trying to separate a mother bear from her cub are two different things. A parent can have total control of their child and still see they receive a proper education. The educators need to concentrate on the three R's and leave rest to the nuclear family

...But isn't that part of one's complete education? Are you not at a young age separated from your parents and taken to a preschool or knidergaten to not only learn how to read and write but also to develop interpersonal social skills that cannot necessarily be taught in the home? Is not a free public school education not the cornerstone of a free society? Should we not as a collective prioritize the ideal that everybody has equal oppertunities regardless of whether they are born into a traditional nuclear family or not?

W*GS
04-10-2013, 02:33 PM
Is not a free public school education not the cornerstone of a free society?

According to the right, it's not.

Despite:

“The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves.”— John Adams 1785

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 02:43 PM
Is not a free public school education not the cornerstone of a free society?

No. That would be the family. Even the best schools make for a piss poor substitute.

Requiem
04-10-2013, 02:45 PM
No. That would be the family. Even the best schools make for a piss poor substitute.

Some children enjoy school more than their homes.

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 02:54 PM
Some children enjoy school more than their homes.

I'm not sure enjoyment is always the best measure. :)

But if what you're getting at is that school is better than home for many, I've seen that in real life, and sadly it happens.

But the lowest common denominator is not ideal. What's better for some is rarely the best for all.

DenverDynamite
04-10-2013, 02:56 PM
No. That would be the family. Even the best schools make for a piss poor substitute.

Not every child is born into a loving family. I agree that children need a stable support system in which to thrive, but, it is sheer enlightenment, critical thinking, and intellectual enrichment that drives at the very heart of what is written in the Declaration of Independence. Where a great parent is a child's moral compass, a great teacher, a great mentor is their intellectual one.

Requiem
04-10-2013, 02:58 PM
I'm not sure enjoyment is always the best measure. :)

But if what you're getting at is that school is better than home for many, I've seen that in real life, and sadly it happens.

But the lowest common denominator is not ideal. What's better for some is rarely the best for all.

I don't think it is sad that it happens. I think it is good kids have somewhere that they can feel loved and be developed and share ideas. A lot of kids don't have that luxury and have absolutely terrible home situations. I'm sure there are a lot of people who think they do fine jobs as parents but in reality are pretty dog**** at it.

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 03:07 PM
According to the right, it's not.

Despite:

“The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves.”— John Adams 1785

Since we're quoting Adams :)

The foundations of national morality must be laid in private families. In vain are schools academies and universities instituted if loose principles and licentious habits are impressed upon children in their earliest years The mothers are the earliest and most important instructors of youth The vices and examples of the parents cannot be concealed from the children How is it possible that children can have any just sense of the sacred obligations of morality or religion if from their earliest infancy they learn that their mothers live in habitual infidelity to then fathers and their fathers in as constant infidelity to their mothers

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 03:08 PM
I don't think it is sad that it happens. I think it is good kids have somewhere that they can feel loved and be developed and share ideas. A lot of kids don't have that luxury and have absolutely terrible home situations. I'm sure there are a lot of people who think they do fine jobs as parents but in reality are pretty dog**** at it.

It's not sad compared to the realistic alternative. But it's sad that some don't receive the kind of family many others are blessed with. It's something they'll spend their whole lives struggling to overcome.

DenverDynamite
04-10-2013, 03:14 PM
Since we're quoting Adams :)

I don't know anybody that is advocating that schools should be in the morality teaching business. However, children learn more from life experiences rather than from words alone. The biggest part of understanding right from wrong is putting those lessons into practice among a group of one's own peers. Hence the necessity of the classroom environment.

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 03:25 PM
I don't know anybody that is advocating that schools should be in the morality teaching business. However, children learn more from life experiences rather than from words alone. The biggest part of understanding right from wrong is putting those lessons into practice among a group of one's own peers. Hence the necessity of the classroom environment.

Don't get me wrong. I'm no enemy of the classroom. Or even the public school, in principle. That said, there are so many things broken in public education that I'm not sure a real solution can be achieved at this point without school choice.

You don't usually choose your child's doctor by whichever one's office is closest. I'm not sure why your child's education should be any different.

DenverDynamite
04-10-2013, 03:35 PM
Don't get me wrong. I'm no enemy of the classroom. Or even the public school, in principle. That said, there are so many things broken in public education that I'm not sure a real solution can be achieved at this point without school choice.

You don't usually choose your child's doctor by whichever one's office is closest. I'm not sure why your child's education should be any different.

I know in my kid's school district we had a choice whether or not we wanted our son to attend our home school,(the school closest to the house) another school, or a charter. So, at least in my area choice exists. I think we need to invest more in our schools and our teachers. Teachers need better pay, math and science need to be better emphasized, and, we need to reinvest in the arts.

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 03:53 PM
I know in my kid's school district we had a choice whether or not we wanted our son to attend our home school,(the school closest to the house) another school, or a charter. So, at least in my area choice exists. I think we need to invest more in our schools and our teachers. Teachers need better pay, math and science need to be better emphasized, and, we need to reinvest in the arts.

It's good you have some choice. Definitely not the case everywhere though. And I agree that good teachers need better pay. Unfortunately that can't happen in a system where teachers are often simply paid for how long they've occupied their chair.

School choice will help fix some of this though. If a school has a ****ty teacher, a district can't afford to keep them around long if it means students start walking out the door. And correspondingly, schools will compete to keep the best teachers that draw students.

Arkie
04-10-2013, 03:56 PM
If conservatives such as yourself took responsibility for their fackups, their hypocrisy would diminish a little.

When you gonna 'fess up that 2001-2009 was a colossal case of irresponsibility on your part?

Then you need to take responsibility for 2001-2007. You were part of that group until 2007-ish.

Fedaykin
04-10-2013, 04:02 PM
No, parents do not own their children and do not get to do whatever they feel like with them.

Parents have a DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to their children though. And society also has a duty and responsibility to all children (all people really) as well.

Fedaykin
04-10-2013, 04:06 PM
That's a nice nuclear family you've got there, citizen. Would be a shame if anything happened to it.


Have you made it you mission in life to just randomly drop lame **** into threads? It's not even proper trolling.

errand
04-10-2013, 04:06 PM
Yep. Most of the right-wing whiners never set foot on a college campus.

Umm, no, conservatives go to college, and then start careers, or start businesses....where as you liberal clowns will have like 7 years worth of campus parking decals while attending a 2 year community college......basically you guys are just career students.

Fedaykin
04-10-2013, 04:13 PM
I don't know anybody that is advocating that schools should be in the morality teaching business. However, children learn more from life experiences rather than from words alone. The biggest part of understanding right from wrong is putting those lessons into practice among a group of one's own peers. Hence the necessity of the classroom environment.

You couldn't be more wrong. The right wing would LOVE schools to be in the business of teaching morality: specifically their particular sub brand (whatever it may be) of Christianity.

Fedaykin
04-10-2013, 04:15 PM
You don't usually choose your child's doctor by whichever one's office is closest. I'm not sure why your child's education should be any different.

Are you not familiar with the HMO system? What you just describe is exactly what is the case for a lot of families. Don't like the doctor your HMO approves: too damn bad cause you can't afford any other! The miracle of the free market at work there.

errand
04-10-2013, 04:26 PM
It's good you have some choice. Definitely not the case everywhere though. And I agree that good teachers need better pay. Unfortunately that can't happen in a system where teachers are often simply paid for how long they've occupied their chair.

School choice will help fix some of this though. If a school has a ****ty teacher, a district can't afford to keep them around long if it means students start walking out the door. And correspondingly, schools will compete to keep the best teachers that draw students.

I agree...Schools that educate their students and perform well will see increased enrollment, and better pay for their teachers, where as those that suck will like any other enterprise that sucks, go the way of the dinosaurs.

errand
04-10-2013, 04:28 PM
No, parents do not own their children and do not get to do whatever they feel like with them.

Parents have a DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to their children though. And society also has a duty and responsibility to all children (all people really) as well.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/562334_357995730973883_1840926167_n.jpg

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 04:32 PM
Are you not familiar with the HMO system? What you just describe is exactly what is the case for a lot of families. Don't like the doctor your HMO approves: too damn bad cause you can't afford any other! The miracle of the free market at work there.

Free market Fed? Not sure if you're aware, but the modern HMO was masterminded by none other than your federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Maintenance_Organization_Act_of_1973

So while you may be right that public education resembles the HMO, it's only further evidence that your expert central planners may not really care about you having access to the best teachers (or doctors) Or maybe it's just that they don't have any idea what they're doing.

Health and Education as delivered to you by trial lawyers. :)

Pony Boy
04-10-2013, 04:36 PM
Bring back Dodgeball, it will help establish your child’s pecking order for the rest of their school years. Life is competitive and in Dodgeball you learn to destroy the competition and exploit their weaknesses.

errand
04-10-2013, 04:38 PM
I think it's funny how people think the federal government can solve problems in schools and health care, when those ****ers can't deliver the mail or fix roads.....

typical liberal idea, "invest" in _____________, which means just toss more $$$ at it....

Fedaykin
04-10-2013, 04:42 PM
Free market Fed? Not sure if you're aware, but the modern HMO was masterminded by none other than your federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Maintenance_Organization_Act_of_1973



As even your own little link spells out, the HMO was not created or mandated by that bill, it was only "encouraged" by that bill, most likely because and HMO suits corporate interests (i.e. controlling costs and increasing profits) rather than patient interests.


So while you may be right that public education resembles the HMO, it's only further evidence that your expert central planners may not really care about you having access to the best teachers (or doctors) Or maybe it's just that they don't have any idea what they're doing.

Health and Education as delivered to you by trial lawyers. :)

Oh look, more strawman whacking!

Fedaykin
04-10-2013, 04:44 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/562334_357995730973883_1840926167_n.jpg

So parents should get to do whatever they please with their children eh? Children are completely owned by their parents -- like slaves? Just asking you to clarify your position, as you seem to be disagreeing with what I said.

cutthemdown
04-10-2013, 05:02 PM
That's exactly what the Right wants.

Molest/beat the **** out of/abuse your kid because that's a parent's "right".

lol what a joke you are. So now republicans abuse kids more then liberals huh. You're a friggin turd.

Fedaykin
04-10-2013, 05:05 PM
lol what a joke you are. So now republicans abuse kids more then liberals huh. You're a friggin turd.

Do you or do you not agree that parents (no matter their political persuasion) should be prevented from abusing their children? The answer to that question also answers the 'do parents own their children' question.

I know thinking is tough for some of you righties, but this is a pretty simple concept.

BroncoBeavis
04-10-2013, 05:14 PM
As even your own little link spells out, the HMO was not created or mandated by that bill, it was only "encouraged" by that bill, most likely because and HMO suits corporate interests (i.e. controlling costs and increasing profits) rather than patient interests.

Nice try, but the HMO concept was basically dead when the federal government resurrected it.

http://capsules.kaiserhealthnews.org/index.php/2011/10/nixons-hmos-hold-lessons-for-obamas-acos/

Health experts credit the act for spurring the formation of hundreds of HMOs that eventually would cover nearly 60 million Americans. But most of that growth did not occur for well over a decade after the HMO Act was passed.

In the early 1970s, fewer than 4 million Americans were enrolled in nearly 40 prepaid health plans, most of which were operating in California. By 1980, about 9 million Americans were in HMOs. By 1990, that number more than quadrupled to 37 million.

W*GS
04-10-2013, 07:45 PM
Then you need to take responsibility for 2001-2007. You were part of that group until 2007-ish.

How so?

spdirty
04-10-2013, 08:07 PM
How so?

You were the exact opposite of what you are now. Although you were no better back then as 80% of your posts were a little pissing contest with LABF.

cutthemdown
04-10-2013, 08:26 PM
Do you or do you not agree that parents (no matter their political persuasion) should be prevented from abusing their children? The answer to that question also answers the 'do parents own their children' question.

I know thinking is tough for some of you righties, but this is a pretty simple concept.

Do you own your dog? Are you allowed to abuse it? yes you own the dog, no you can't abuse it legally. Of course simply the fact you have a child does not green light you to abuse the child. Why would even be arguing that? Of course society/govt has an obligation that pererves life and basic human rights. The parent still though have a bigger claim to ownership then society does over their children. Certianly parents have a right to teach alternative lifestyles.

TonyR
04-11-2013, 06:48 AM
Good to see the ignorant, right wing troll brigade over reacting and misrepresenting! It's just what y'all do oh-so-well!

Some good reader reaction to this over at The Dish. Here's one of the better ones. Good to see some reasoned responses showing a bit of thoughtfulness and perspective.

I saw the criticisms of this video making the rounds on my conservative in-laws’ facebook pages, and their angry rants about how no else can make decisions about their children, a more vitriolic version of Friedersdorf’s comments. Their interpretation of Harris-Perry’s video is entirely misguided. She is not saying that anyone has a LEGAL interest in your kids.

Look, none of us want your kids, okay? None of us want to take them away from you, or force you to make certain decisions. She is saying that we all need to think of children as a collective asset of our society. I don’t want your kids, but I do want your kids to grow up educated, productive, and thoughtful members of society. That’s good for me, for my kids, and everyone else. That’s why we need to vote to fund schools, to keep funding for school lunches and other programs that benefit less well-off kids, not mention public preschools and all-day kindergartens, programs that are proven effective.

My in-laws would probably vote to cut funding for public education because their kids don’t go to public schools, and anyway they think the curriculum is extremely suspect because it doesn’t involve enough Christian(ist!) values. They think that raising their kids is a private endeavor, and increasingly try to do it away from society. This intensely private mindset is what Harris-Perry is railing against. Society has an interest in the welfare of our kids, and we should continue to try to support them as best we can. It’s called a civilization. Everybody should try it. http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/04/10/does-your-child-belong-to-you/

Rohirrim
04-11-2013, 06:56 AM
This week's hysteria brought to you by the Right Wing Overreaction Industry. Tune in next week for a brand new hysteria.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-11-2013, 07:28 AM
Progressives have arrived to demonstrate the proper boot licking technique. Lean forward, citizen.

BroncoBeavis
04-11-2013, 07:54 AM
Good to see the ignorant, right wing troll brigade over reacting and misrepresenting! It's just what y'all do oh-so-well!

Some good reader reaction to this over at The Dish. Here's one of the better ones. Good to see some reasoned responses showing a bit of thoughtfulness and perspective.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/04/10/does-your-child-belong-to-you/

This is great. I was looking forward to hearing childless sully's post-telepathy-obgyn take on the community's responsibility to parent. LOL

TonyR
04-11-2013, 08:25 AM
This is great. I was looking forward to hearing childless sully's post-telepathy-obgyn take on the community's responsibility to parent.

Re-read my post, specifically regarding whose take I posted.

BroncoBeavis
04-11-2013, 08:30 AM
Re-read my post, specifically regarding whose take I posted.

Oh I get it. It wasn't Sully but a Sullivanite. Or is it Sullinista. Maybe Sullomite? :)

Arkie
04-11-2013, 11:27 AM
No, parents do not own their children and do not get to do whatever they feel like with them.

Parents have a DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to their children though. And society also has a duty and responsibility to all children (all people really) as well.

LOL Of course kids legally belong to the parent. That doesn't mean the parent can do anything to them. However, I can see how kids belong to the collective if our taxes are being used to raise them, and maybe that's the point you and the leftists are trying to make here. Pay more into the state controlled coffers so they can provide more funding to raise kids.

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 11:29 AM
The battleaxe that made what I said were Marxist-like claims on communal ownership of children has even further justified my statements by saying people have the "right" to jobs, homes, good food. 100% Socialist attitude.

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 11:30 AM
LOL Of course kids legally belong to the parent. That doesn't mean the parent can do anything to them. However, I can see how kids belong to the collective if our taxes are being used to raise them, and maybe that's the point you and the leftists are trying to make here. Pay more into the state controlled coffers so they can provide more funding to raise kids.

Back when parents were considered solely responsible for the child and were expected to raise children in marriage, we didn't have such massive problems with delinquency and poverty. Coincidence?

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 11:34 AM
The two times you voted for Bush.

At least his wars gave you plenty of wounded vets to perform your medical expertise upon. You'll be busy for a loooong time.

Proud?

Apparently the higher military suicide rates under Obama mean nothing, while you use deaths under Bush as a weapon.

Definite liberal - selectively using corpses as a political weapon.

W*GS
04-11-2013, 12:20 PM
Apparently the higher military suicide rates under Obama mean nothing, while you use deaths under Bush as a weapon.

Suicides in the military are yet another aftershock of the Bush regime.

W*GS
04-11-2013, 12:22 PM
Back when parents were considered solely responsible for the child and were expected to raise children in marriage, we didn't have such massive problems with delinquency and poverty. Coincidence?

Going over the entirety of human history, it's only recently that the two biological parents were considered those solely responsible for childrearing.

It used to be that grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, older children and others would assist in that work.

W*GS
04-11-2013, 12:24 PM
You were the exact opposite of what you are now. Although you were no better back then as 80% of your posts were a little pissing contest with LABF.

Opposite? Nope.

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 12:34 PM
Going over the entirety of human history, it's only recently that the two biological parents were considered those solely responsible for childrearing.

It used to be that grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, older children and others would assist in that work.

I think you're referring to the long-dead caveman days which communalist types tend to refer to wistfully when they want everyone to live in their little communes. Mainstream religion is thousands of years old and it makes it known who is responsible for children. It also strictly establishes the proper family structure environment as well as parental roles.

It's also no accident that communal living is stagnant in terms of economic and scientific innovation. Not something I'm remotely interested in bringing back.

But then again, I'm not a pinko.

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 12:36 PM
Suicides in the military are yet another aftershock of the Bush regime.

Anything negative under the Obama "the buck stops me with me" regime is necessarily Bush's fault.

5 years out and that old scapegoat is still used. Amazing yet unsurprising.

W*GS
04-11-2013, 12:39 PM
Anything negative under the Obama "the buck stops me with me" regime is necessarily Bush's fault.

5 years out and that old scapegoat is still used. Amazing yet unsurprising.

Your boy Bush shat on the planet and the odor isn't that easy to clean up.

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 12:40 PM
"Shat on the planet." Either extreme exaggeration or paranoid schizophrenia.

You make the call.

W*GS
04-11-2013, 12:42 PM
I think you're referring to the long-dead caveman days which communalist types tend to refer to wistfully when they want everyone to live in their little communes.

The upbringing of children as I described has been the way it's been done for the majority of human history.

As a conservative, old is good enough for you.

Mainstream religion is thousands of years old and it makes it known who is responsible for children. It also strictly establishes the proper family structure environment as well as parental roles.

Judeo-Christian values are not the be-all and end-all, even if you have faith otherwise.

It's also no accident that communal living is stagnant in terms of economic and scientific innovation. Not something I'm remotely interested in bringing back.

I'm not either, but I don't pretend that the nuclear family is the only, or best, way to raise kids.

But then again, I'm not a pinko.

You're just a dicko.

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 12:52 PM
We have more than enough evidence to show the shredding of the nuclear family has caused poverty and delinquency issues. Studies in the black community have made this perfectly clear, yet promoters of family dissolution, alternative lifestyles, and religious hatred refuse to admit it.

If you want communal rearing of children, then I would suggest borrowing Doc Brown's time travel machine and going to the USSR.

You know you've been infected with Marxism when you react with a hostile attitude toward the basic family unit of humanity.

W*GS
04-11-2013, 12:57 PM
You know you've been infected with Marxism when you react with a hostile attitude toward the basic family unit of humanity.

What's "hostile" about the facts I noted?

What's the "basic family unit"?

TonyR
04-11-2013, 01:10 PM
Oh I get it. It wasn't Sully but a Sullivanite. Or is it Sullinista. Maybe Sullomite?

So, then, do you disagree with what this Sully reader is saying? Or has your horizon perhaps been broadened?

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 01:16 PM
What's "hostile" about the facts I noted?

What's the "basic family unit"?

Funny that liberals are always accusing conservatives of being cave men, yet they admire communal living among cavemen.

If you don't know what a basic family unit is, God help you. I can only hope you're playing dumb, but since we've already seen how far left you are, you're probably serious and think the common meaning of it - which has existed for thousands of years - has no real meaning, which is quite typical of the left. Everything they want to deconstruct they try to deligitimize by pretending it never existed to begin with, by calling them "artificial constructs" and all other similar types of bull****. Once they have been labeled as "artificial constructs," then, people are expected to let it all go and go along with the social structure as defined by the left. It's all very cutesy.

Thus far, you're very textbook, comrade.

W*GS
04-11-2013, 01:27 PM
Funny that liberals are always accusing conservatives of being cave men, yet they admire communal living among cavemen.

You need some vision correction, because I never said any of that.

If you don't know what a basic family unit is, God help you.

I know what Christians think the "basic family unit" is, but that's far from universal nor is it obviously superior.

Thus far, you're very textbook, comrade.

Anyone who questions right-wing evangelical Christian values is a Commie. We get it.

cutthemdown
04-11-2013, 01:32 PM
This whole topic is a joke. If the point is society has a duty to make laws and create services to nurture children and help them become good citizens no one would argue that. Its when liberals put stupid people on tv and the radio and say things like people need to get over the notion they own their kids. That doesn't sound like people just saying we want to invest in education and things that help parents raise kids. That screams to people we want to force you to send your kids to the schools we want that teach what we say they should.

BroncoBeavis
04-11-2013, 01:37 PM
This whole topic is a joke. If the point is society has a duty to make laws and create services to nurture children and help them become good citizens no one would argue that. Its when liberals put stupid people on tv and the radio and say things like people need to get over the notion they own their kids. That doesn't sound like people just saying we want to invest in education and things that help parents raise kids. That screams to people we want to force you to send your kids to the schools we want that teach what we say they should.

All it was was a good angle to get people talking about their crappy new show. Both sides are giving the cheap publicity stunt far more weight than it deserves.

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 01:41 PM
@Cut - Look at the hag's twitter page who said this. The woman is a pinko at the very least. She says that housing, jobs, and good food are a human right. The community is not responsible for kids. You think she takes in other peoples' kids and is responsible for them as she is her own?

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 01:44 PM
You need some vision correction, because I never said any of that.



I know what Christians think the "basic family unit" is, but that's far from universal nor is it obviously superior.



Anyone who questions right-wing evangelical Christian values is a Commie. We get it.

Well actually you and yours have all called conservatives backward cavemen/knuckledraggers who need to get with the times. This is quite standard liberal rhetoric.

Again, if you think the basic family unit is something to be laughed at and blown off, explain statistics that show kids from fatherless homes are poor and more likely to be screwed up. That's not something to ignore.

And no, anyone who parrots basic Marxist views on society and family is a pinko. I'm not religious.

BroncoBeavis
04-11-2013, 01:52 PM
So, then, do you disagree with what this Sully reader is saying? Or has your horizon perhaps been broadened?

I don't disagree in broad principle. The whole idea of publicly funded education is in the same spirit. But the "more funding" drum is too easy to beat. Ultimately, just pouring more borrowed cash into a fundamentally broken system does nothing to help America's next generation.

nyuk nyuk
04-11-2013, 01:54 PM
I don't disagree in broad principle. The whole idea of publicly funded education is in the same spirit. But the "more funding" drum is too easy to beat. Ultimately, just pouring more borrowed cash into a fundamentally broken system does nothing to help America's next generation.

Unfortunately, it's being abused to indoctrinate with personal philosophies and opinions. True professionals would keep their views out of their teaching and their textbooks. All too many educators have been treating kids like wet balls of clay to be molded in the image the teachers want them to be.

W*GS
04-11-2013, 02:12 PM
Well actually you and yours have all called conservatives backward cavemen/knuckledraggers who need to get with the times. This is quite standard liberal rhetoric.

Again, if you think the basic family unit is something to be laughed at and blown off, explain statistics that show kids from fatherless homes are poor and more likely to be screwed up. That's not something to ignore.

And no, anyone who parrots basic Marxist views on society and family is a pinko. I'm not religious.

Three comments, three blatant misstatements and/or smears. In baseball, three strikes.

Yer out!

BroncoBeavis
04-11-2013, 02:15 PM
Unfortunately, it's being abused to indoctrinate with personal philosophies and opinions. True professionals would keep their views out of their teaching and their textbooks. All too many educators have been treating kids like wet balls of clay to be molded in the image the teachers want them to be.

Like I said before. School choice would sort most of this stuff out. In the meantime, involved parenting is the best an individual can do.

Fedaykin
04-11-2013, 05:44 PM
Back when parents were considered solely responsible for the child and were expected to raise children in marriage, we didn't have such massive problems with delinquency and poverty. Coincidence?

Only in your demented little head was there a time in history when when parents were considered solely responsible for the upbringing of children.

Not only that, but the trend as of late has been toward less responsibility of the extended family and community and toward your imagined concept.

See: this thread.

Fedaykin
04-11-2013, 05:54 PM
Do you own your dog? Are you allowed to abuse it? yes you own the dog, no you can't abuse it legally. Of course simply the fact you have a child does not green light you to abuse the child. Why would even be arguing that? Of course society/govt has an obligation that pererves life and basic human rights. The parent still though have a bigger claim to ownership then society does over their children. Certianly parents have a right to teach alternative lifestyles.

LOL Of course kids legally belong to the parent. That doesn't mean the parent can do anything to them. However, I can see how kids belong to the collective if our taxes are being used to raise them, and maybe that's the point you and the leftists are trying to make here. Pay more into the state controlled coffers so they can provide more funding to raise kids.

Jesus you wingnuts are thick sometimes. Owning a person or thing implies sole and unlimited control over that person or thing. Parents do not have sole and unlimited control over their children (nor should they).

More importantly, you cannot OWN a sentient being. Parents don't own their children, and neither does anyone else.

Parents are responsible for their children, and are indeed the people that are primarily responsible for their children, but whether you like it or not other people are also responsible. Extended family, neighbors, teachers, religious leaders, etc.

Hell, go as your local clergy or faculty and ask if they share no responsibility in raising children. There's a good chance you'll get laughed at for even suggesting such a thing -- even by the clergy.


And no cutlet, people don't own pets anymore than people who adopt humans When the last time someone had their car taken away because they didn't wash it frequently enough or give it quality oil?.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-11-2013, 11:00 PM
"We have to break through the private idea that kids belong to their parents. We have to recognize the collective idea that kids belong to the community."

-- Melissa Harris-Perry, 2013



"When an opponent declares 'I will not come over to your side', I calmly say
'Your child belongs to us already. What are you? You will pass on.
Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp.
In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community."

-- Some German guy in the 1930's

cutthemdown
04-12-2013, 12:16 AM
@Cut - Look at the hag's twitter page who said this. The woman is a pinko at the very least. She says that housing, jobs, and good food are a human right. The community is not responsible for kids. You think she takes in other peoples' kids and is responsible for them as she is her own?

She's right. Access to housing, education, food, water are human rights. But there is no human right to just get life handed to you.

Arkie
04-12-2013, 10:53 AM
She's right. Access to housing, education, food, water are human rights. But there is no human right to just get life handed to you.

That's exactly right. Every human has a right to pursue those things. Nobody has the right to take from others to pursue those things.

BroncoBeavis
04-12-2013, 12:50 PM
I think we can sum it all up with this:

These children are property:
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/what-really-going/2013/apr/12/media-wont-cover-mass-baby-murder-trial-black-doct/

But once 3 trimesters pass, they belong to the collective.

Requiem
04-12-2013, 01:34 PM
Back when parents were considered solely responsible for the child and were expected to raise children in marriage, we didn't have such massive problems with delinquency and poverty. Coincidence?

Are you trying to be a familiast or what?

Fedaykin
04-12-2013, 01:57 PM
Once again, all the right wingers prove their selfishness by freaking out at the mention that they are responsible for more than just themselves and their immediate family.

Typical.

Requiem
04-12-2013, 02:10 PM
Once again, all the right wingers prove their selfishness by freaking out at the mention that they are responsible for more than just themselves and their immediate family.

Typical.

Lol, yep.

I wonder if any of them would like to take a guess at the central economic and political initiatives that took place during the early 1900s in America that allowed for for the gradual shift into "more secure" nuclear family units.

FWIW, ~ 65% of American families are have multiple generations living within the same household. That trend is likely to continue with the current economic climate in addition to the growing number of immigrants who come from cultures who have communal backgrounds.

In the span of human history, it wasn't until major religious and theocratic movements (coupled with proto-industrialization) several centuries ago that tried to dictate the concept of a nuclear family. Any person with a lick of knowledge would realize this.

I can think of numerous benefits to growing up in an extended family unit. Very thankful to have been afforded that opportunity.

errand
04-12-2013, 05:18 PM
Once again, all the right wingers prove their selfishness by freaking out at the mention that they are responsible for more than just themselves and their immediate family.

Typical.

oh okay so next year you're going to pay for my daughter's college books?

And my youngest daughter needs braces, so can I count on you to pay your fair share of those too?

PM me and I will give you the names of the college and orthodontist to make the checks out to..... oh and thanks for realizing that you're responsible for other people's kids .

unless of course you're selfish and don't want to give the money for it because they're not your kids...... which would then makes you a hypocrite.

W*GS
04-12-2013, 05:27 PM
errand still don't get it.

Of course.

Fedaykin
04-12-2013, 05:58 PM
oh okay so next year you're going to pay for my daughter's college books?

And my youngest daughter needs braces, so can I count on you to pay your fair share of those too?

PM me and I will give you the names of the college and orthodontist to make the checks out to..... oh and thanks for realizing that you're responsible for other people's kids .

unless of course you're selfish and don't want to give the money for it because they're not your kids...... which would then makes you a hypocrite.

And as is also typical, the wingnuts don't posses the ability to think about anything in anything but black and white terms.

Spider
04-12-2013, 06:30 PM
LMAO some things never change .. the right wing here is still bat **** crazy

Requiem
04-12-2013, 06:31 PM
What up Spider? Wanna come pick me up in your truck so we can get our mash on some buttercup sluts at a truck stop?

Spider
04-12-2013, 06:34 PM
LOL .... Req been to busy for that

Requiem
04-12-2013, 06:47 PM
Where have you been?

nyuk nyuk
04-13-2013, 09:02 AM
She's right. Access to housing, education, food, water are human rights. But there is no human right to just get life handed to you.

No, they aren't human rights. Make those human rights and watch the ranks of social parasites expand like a binge eater in a bakery.

nyuk nyuk
04-13-2013, 09:02 AM
What up Spider? Wanna come pick me up in your truck so we can get our mash on some buttercup sluts at a truck stop?

Sounds like misogyny here. Oh goodness.

nyuk nyuk
04-13-2013, 09:04 AM
Once again, all the right wingers prove their selfishness by freaking out at the mention that they are responsible for more than just themselves and their immediate family.

Typical.

Pay off my college loans and my credit card.

KTHX.

Pony Boy
04-13-2013, 11:07 AM
What up Spider? Wanna come pick me up in your truck

........:rofl:........:rofl:... That's a big 10-4.... 2 butt buddies rolling .....put the hammer down Spider

Dr. Broncenstein
04-13-2013, 11:20 AM
........:rofl:........:rofl:... That's a big 10-4.... 2 butt buddies rolling .....put the hammer down Spider

Req needs a CB handle. I was thinking "couchsurfer" or "Kip Dynamite."

Requiem
04-13-2013, 11:55 AM
Sounds like misogyny here. Oh goodness.

It is cute when you use big words.

Requiem
04-13-2013, 11:58 AM
........:rofl:........:rofl:... That's a big 10-4.... 2 butt buddies rolling .....put the hammer down Spider

We just wanted to stop by your reservation and get some quality booze and meth. I am sure you can help us out there Flows With Beetus.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-13-2013, 12:08 PM
We just wanted to stop by your reservation and get some quality booze and meth. I am sure you can help us out there Flows With Beetus.

If you get in trouble they have dialysis clinics right there on the reservation, and they might take pity on a sickly white dork in exchange for a decorative weed pipe.

Pony Boy
04-13-2013, 01:00 PM
We just wanted to stop by your reservation and get some quality booze and meth. I am sure you can help us out there Flows With Beetus.

Come on now Kip, don't let up with the Spider worship...... your like a little biach in heat...... oh Spider, oh Spider your back ....... please come pick me up in your big manly truck.

Pony Boy
04-13-2013, 01:06 PM
FWIW, ~ 65% of American families are have multiple generations living within the same household. That trend is likely to continue with the current economic climate in addition to the growing number of immigrants who come from cultures who have communal backgrounds.

So I guess that code for "I'll be living in the basement for a long time" ......:~ohyah!:

Requiem
04-13-2013, 05:51 PM
If you get in trouble they have dialysis clinics right there on the reservation, and they might take pity on a sickly white dork in exchange for a decorative weed pipe.

Won't ever need dialysis. Lol.

Requiem
04-13-2013, 05:53 PM
So I guess that code for "I'll be living in the basement for a long time" ......:~ohyah!:

I think the last time I had a room in a basement of any home was when I was a sophomore in high school. Go ahead and keep the dynamic duo going with Doc though. I am sure it is a lot of fun being a middle aged guy who acts like he is twelve on the internet. Kudos.

Pony Boy
04-13-2013, 08:23 PM
We just wanted to stop by your reservation and get some quality booze and meth. I am sure you can help us out there Flows With Beetus.

Wow, so now you can add racist to your online resume, so what happened did you get bullied by some guys off the Rez?

nyuk nyuk
04-14-2013, 10:53 AM
........:rofl:........:rofl:... That's a big 10-4.... 2 butt buddies rolling .....put the hammer down Spider

We're talking Dakotas here. Cut 'em a break.

nyuk nyuk
04-14-2013, 10:54 AM
Wow, so now you can add racist to your online resume, so what happened did you get bullied by some guys off the Rez?

You must have missed him posting anti-Asian racist memes a few months ago.

Just don't you say anything about black folks he doesn't like! Rowrrrr

nyuk nyuk
04-14-2013, 10:55 AM
Won't ever need dialysis. Lol.

Odd considering you had the admins here believing you have a "deadly disease."

nyuk nyuk
04-14-2013, 10:56 AM
It is cute when you use big words.

That's a big 10-4 good buddy. Let's meet at the truck stop!

Requiem
04-14-2013, 02:51 PM
Odd considering you had the admins here believing you have a "deadly disease."

I don't think you specialize in nephrology or have the faintest clue about nosology. Still butt hurt that you got banned for a month + for being stupid?

Requiem
04-14-2013, 02:53 PM
Wow, so now you can add racist to your online resume, so what happened did you get bullied by some guys off the Rez?

Pointing out the high prevalence of diabetes and drug abuse amongst Native Americans isn't racist. It is just factual. The tribal name the Lakota Sioux gave me was Meths With Wolves.

Requiem
04-14-2013, 02:56 PM
You must have missed him posting anti-Asian racist memes a few months ago.

You mean this?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj5piaIv2c1qzju4co1_500.jpg

That is racist? Really? Lol.

Yep. So full of racist intent.

nyuk nyuk
04-14-2013, 03:02 PM
You mean this?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj5piaIv2c1qzju4co1_500.jpg

That is racist? Really? Lol.

Yep. So full of racist intent.

Because making fun of foreign accents and ethnic speech is never considered racist.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2aey25w.png

nyuk nyuk
04-14-2013, 03:07 PM
I don't think you specialize in nephrology or have the faintest clue about nosology. Still butt hurt that you got banned for a month + for being stupid?

It's based on your own words, but regardless of that none of it would have been an issue had you not decided to attack myself and other posters here in personal ways due to their politics which brought fair turnaround in your direction to which you reacted to like a child in a candy store.

I was actually unbanned early, I just don't know how early. I couldn't give a single rat's ass if I'm permabanned. I regret nothing and did nothing wrong.

:thumbsup:

Pony Boy
04-14-2013, 03:50 PM
Pointing out the high prevalence of diabetes and drug abuse amongst Native Americans isn't racist. It is just factual. The tribal name the Lakota Sioux gave me was Meths With Wolves.

You know nothing about Native Americans because if the Sioux gave you a name it would be "Two Dogs".

nyuk nyuk
04-14-2013, 03:54 PM
Pointing out the high prevalence of diabetes and drug abuse amongst Native Americans isn't racist. It is just factual. The tribal name the Lakota Sioux gave me was Meths With Wolves.

You got quite angry and began negbombing me when I mentioned IQ scores. What's the difference? I certainly said nothing controversial - it's not only mentioned in psychology books but also some sociology ones as well.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-14-2013, 06:07 PM
You know nothing about Native Americans because if the Sioux gave you a name it would be "Two Dogs".

That, or "Broken Rubber."

Requiem
04-15-2013, 07:24 PM
You got quite angry and began negbombing me when I mentioned IQ scores. What's the difference? I certainly said nothing controversial - it's not only mentioned in psychology books but also some sociology ones as well.

No reputable, peer reviewed research has ever supported the idea that there IQ and "race" are linked.

It's based on your own words, but regardless of that none of it would have been an issue had you not decided to attack myself and other posters here in personal ways due to their politics which brought fair turnaround in your direction to which you reacted to like a child in a candy store.

At least you aren't as bad as lonestar, but the mods find you equally annoying. Oops.

You know nothing about Native Americans because if the Sioux gave you a name it would be "Two Dogs".

That isn't the Sioux word for dog, brah!

That, or "Broken Rubber."

The wit and charm of a five year old at 36. Vroom, vroom.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-15-2013, 07:45 PM
No reputable, peer reviewed research has ever supported the idea that there IQ and "race" are linked.



At least you aren't as bad as lonestar, but the mods find you equally annoying. Oops.



That isn't the Sioux word for dog, brah!



The wit and charm of a five year old at 36. Vroom, vroom.

Squirt some loser bastard tears in your bong and smoke a ceremonial bowl, two dogs.