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Quoydogs
02-27-2013, 08:29 AM
Mark J. Rebilas-USA Today Sports

The Denver Broncos have some planning to do as they settle into the waiting period right before free agency begins in a couple weeks. As a team that went 13-3 in 2012, there really is not too many holes to be filled, but executive VP John Elway, head coach John Fox and the rest of his staff have a couple of tough decisions to make with current players. The biggest one in many eyes is whether or not RB Willis McGahee is the answer in 2013.

This is where RB Steven Jackson comes into the talks.


http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/20/nfl-rumors-denver-broncos-to-target-rb-steven-jackson-if-he-is-available/

Yes or No ?

I like the Idea. I like big power backs. Sounds like a lot of if's though.

bfoflcommish
02-27-2013, 08:33 AM
i love the idea of SJax. better than anything on our roster currently and wont come at a huge price with his last couple seasons

Rabb
02-27-2013, 08:33 AM
Not dogging you OP (unless you wrote it) but what a pile of garbage. I don't even want to click the link after gems like this:

there really is not too many holes to be filled

Quoydogs
02-27-2013, 08:35 AM
Not dogging you OP (unless you wrote it) but what a pile of garbage. I don't even want to click the link after gems like this:

If you're not an avid fan and you just look at our record you would not think that we have many holes to fill. CBS sports wrote it. BTW. I would have written Denver Broncos to scout Clay Matthews

Beantown Bronco
02-27-2013, 08:35 AM
there really is not too many holes to be filled

Travis Henry apparently filled them all while he was here.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-27-2013, 08:42 AM
When your 13-3 mainstream doesn't harp on too many holes to fill. That phrase is usually meant for teams who are picking in the top 10 not at the end of a round.


I would take Jackson in a heartbeat. Not a great draft for RBs so getting one via FA is a must IMO.

Requiem
02-27-2013, 08:44 AM
He should have been the guy over D.J. Williams all those years ago. Now we have a shot at redemption. Abso****inglutely go get him.

ColoradoDarin
02-27-2013, 08:46 AM
According to CBS Sports, the Broncos are planning on landing on the moon.

Heyneck
02-27-2013, 08:49 AM
He should have been the guy over D.J. Williams all those years ago. Now we have a shot at redemption. Abso****inglutely go get him.

This!!! Cut DJ, sign Jackson! Imagine those 2006-2008 teams with a back like Jackson. Make it happen!!!! Coming full circle!

cmhargrove
02-27-2013, 09:03 AM
According to CBS Sports, the Broncos are planning on landing on the moon.

That's cool with me, just don't let Rahim take control of the landing module and we should be golden.

Kaylore
02-27-2013, 09:09 AM
I don't have a problem with the comment we don't have too many holes to fill. We don't. Remember it's all relative and EVERY team has holes. That's just the reality of sports. No one is great at everything, and the few that are usually aren't the year after.

As for SJ, I would be ok with it, especially if it meant letting McGahee go.

RhymesayersDU
02-27-2013, 09:10 AM
Travis Henry apparently filled them all while he was here.

/thread

SlyEli
02-27-2013, 09:11 AM
sounds like speculation to me

Rohirrim
02-27-2013, 09:13 AM
Travis Henry apparently filled them all while he was here.

http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/i-see-what-you-did-there-army.jpg

spdirty
02-27-2013, 09:18 AM
I'm gonna throw something if we sign this guy to a huge deal. I'd rather see Jeremiah Johnson get the carries than that old timer.

Bigdawg26
02-27-2013, 09:22 AM
I would like to get Steven Jackson in for a good deal. He is a big back that can catch the football which is exactly what Manning needs and can compliment Hillman.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-27-2013, 09:23 AM
I'm gonna throw something if we sign this guy to a huge deal. I'd rather see Jeremiah Johnson get the carries than that old timer.

What is this board's obsession with Jeremiah Johnson?

Rohirrim
02-27-2013, 09:31 AM
What is this board's obsession with Jeremiah Johnson?

He made his way up to the mountains...

SonOfLe-loLang
02-27-2013, 09:33 AM
I always heard SJax wasnt all that good at pass blocking. This true? If it is, we won't touch him. I bet Jeremiah Johnson is amazing at pass blocking though

sisterhellfyre
02-27-2013, 09:40 AM
I always heard SJax wasnt all that good at pass blocking. This true? If it is, we won't touch him. I bet Jeremiah Johnson is amazing at pass blocking though

Jeremiah Johnson is so awesome at pass blocking that one time on I-5 he stiff-armed a speeding semi back into its own lane.

spdirty
02-27-2013, 09:43 AM
What is this board's obsession with Jeremiah Johnson?

He's just ****ing awesome.

rugbythug
02-27-2013, 09:55 AM
What is this board's obsession with Jeremiah Johnson?

Its liver eatin Johnson!

SouthStndJunkie
02-27-2013, 09:57 AM
I'd sign Steven Jackson if his asking price isn't out of line....you simply can't overpay for a RB that will be 30 next season.

He's getting older, but has held up well....and he's built for longevity.

I think he could have 3 more productive seasons, which would coincide well with the 3 or 4 years Denver will have with Peyton Manning.

Jackson runs tough, is a very good receiver out of the backfield, is a better pass blocker than he is given credit for, and is a leader.

I'm sure he really wants to play for a good team that has a chance of winning a Super Bowl.

The Rams haven't had a winning season during his entire career.

I wouldn't expect any 300+ carries and 1400 yard rushing seasons from Steven Jackson.

I'd expect something in the neighborhood of 225 carries and 1,000+ yards, with 40+ receptions, and stellar pass protection.

More than anything, I'd expect him to step it up in the playoffs and not limp off the field when the team needs him the most ala Knowshon Moreno.

I don't see him as a long term solution, but a perfect compliment to Peyton Manning for a nice 3 year Super Bowl run....if he's willing to take a deal in line with the realization that he is a 30 year old RB.

Tombstone RJ
02-27-2013, 10:06 AM
Not dogging you OP (unless you wrote it) but what a pile of garbage. I don't even want to click the link after gems like this:

translation: this team traded Tebow, and he's my favorite. I shall continue to whine about this ad nausium.

Quoydogs
02-27-2013, 10:08 AM
Jeremiah Johnson is so awesome at pass blocking that one time on I-5 he stiff-armed a speeding semi back into its own lane.

True story, Moreno was driving the truck.

TerrElway
02-27-2013, 10:14 AM
I thought Jeremiah was a bullfrog?

vancejohnson82
02-27-2013, 10:15 AM
True story, Moreno was driving the truck.

Rahim Moore was hired first to stop traffic, but cars kept getting behind him

Chris
02-27-2013, 10:17 AM
Why is everyone so certain McGahee will all of a sudden suck this year? Or is just that Jackson is straight up better?

Quoydogs
02-27-2013, 10:18 AM
Why is everyone so certain McGahee will all of a sudden suck this year? Or is just that Jackson is straight up better?

Jackson is a beast. You put a killer air game together with a monster run game and it adds up to 97-98

Mountain Bronco
02-27-2013, 10:18 AM
Thread title sucks. I see nothing about targeting, only rumors with no sources. Speculation.

Quoydogs
02-27-2013, 10:19 AM
Why is everyone so certain McGahee will all of a sudden suck this year? Or is just that Jackson is straight up better?

Jackson is a beast. You put a killer air game together with a monster run game and it adds up to 97-98

sisterhellfyre
02-27-2013, 10:35 AM
I thought Jeremiah was a bullfrog?

Yes, but he was crossed with a grizzly bear. GrizzlyBullBearFrog is even scarier than ManBearPig.

And he always had some mighty fine wine.

(EDIT: And don't forget Jeremiah played at Oregon, so that makes him a GrizzlyBullBearDuckFrog. Which means he should look just something like a platypus. With a football.)

spdirty
02-27-2013, 10:44 AM
Jackson is a beast. You put a killer air game together with a monster run game and it adds up to 97-98

I agree we need to improve the running game. Its so bad that I like our chances on 3rd and 5 more than when we have 3rd and 1. Just don't think a running back going into his 10th year will give us what we need.

Can get that with some health to Chris Kuper, a center, and either Montee Ball, Stepfan Taylor, or giving Jeremiah Johnson a shot.

I just don't see how the guy adds anything that Willis McGahee doesn't already give us. Less fumbles maybe.

RunSilentRunDeep
02-27-2013, 10:45 AM
Mark J. Rebilas-USA Today Sports

The Denver Broncos have some planning to do as they settle into the waiting period right before free agency begins in a couple weeks. As a team that went 13-3 in 2012, there really is not too many holes to be filled, but executive VP John Elway, head coach John Fox and the rest of his staff have a couple of tough decisions to make with current players. The biggest one in many eyes is whether or not RB Willis McGahee is the answer in 2013.

This is where RB Steven Jackson comes into the talks.


http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/20/nfl-rumors-denver-broncos-to-target-rb-steven-jackson-if-he-is-available/

Yes or No ?

I like the Idea. I like big power backs. Sounds like a lot of if's though.

Urrr, Mark J. Rebilas is the photographer genius. Rant Sports is nonsense.

ZONA
02-27-2013, 10:50 AM
I'm gonna throw something if we sign this guy to a huge deal. I'd rather see Jeremiah Johnson get the carries than that old timer.

I like JJ also but I guess the coaching staff just isn't super high on him, otherwise he would have got his shot this past season with several injuries to our RB's.

I think Jackson is better then McGahee but I think they could have both to be honest. At McGahee's age and injury status, I don't think you would see many teams looking to bring him in and his value with his age and injuries is going to drive his price way down. So much so I think the Broncos could hold on to him.

I would be very comfortable going into next season with Jackson, McGahee, Moreno and Hillman. Dump Hester and draft some sleeper in the late rounds, you never know.

This way you can spend your higher picks on both O/D lines since this draft should be pretty deep in both areas. Get some big boys in here and improve these lines.

ZONA
02-27-2013, 11:00 AM
Why is everyone so certain McGahee will all of a sudden suck this year? Or is just that Jackson is straight up better?

I don't think he will suck. He was doing well until he got injured. So he had a few too many fumbles, he'll fix that. I actually like him on the team but I like the idea of adding a Jackson or Greene to the mix, along with Hillman and Moreno. I like what these guys bring. Just more safety by adding a high quality back to our stable. I think Jackson is a little better then McGahee for a few reasons. He's faster and bigger, that's a deadly combination. I think McGahee has better vision and feet but Jackson breaks more arm tackles and is probably a bigger threat to take one to the house. He would be your starter, with McGahee and Moreno getting plenty of time and Hillman still working into the mix.

That's one way to go. The other would be clean house at RB and draft 2 more guys and go with them and Hillman. Big risk to take when you have that small 2 year window with Manning. I'd have McGahee and Moreno take pay cuts, sign a Jackson or Greene for a good price and work with those 4 guys the next few years. Of course, as I said before, spend a 5th or 6th pick on a back and see what you can find, you never know, you might just find the next Terrell Davis.

razorwire77
02-27-2013, 11:27 AM
Steven Jackson is a significant upgrade to Willis, Moreno, and Hillman.

Agamemnon
02-27-2013, 11:30 AM
I'd have no issue signing Jackson for a reasonable amount. The guy is still running well even though he's about to hit 30.

Requiem
02-27-2013, 11:31 AM
Jeremiah Johnson? LOL!!!!!!!!

Dexter
02-27-2013, 11:42 AM
Jeremiah Johnson? LOL!!!!!!!!

Yeah... I don't really get peoples fascination with JJ. He's had what? A few decent preseason runs?

Alfred Williams on 104.3 the fan loves the guy, and I just don't get it.

TerrElway
02-27-2013, 11:53 AM
Yes, but he was crossed with a grizzly bear. GrizzlyBullBearFrog is even scarier than ManBearPig.

And he always had some mighty fine wine.

(EDIT: And don't forget Jeremiah played at Oregon, so that makes him a GrizzlyBullBearDuckFrog. Which means he should look just something like a platypus. With a football.)

http://thepenaltyflagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Lombardi-Trophy-300x145.jpg

DENVERDUI55
02-27-2013, 12:06 PM
He should have been the guy over D.J. Williams all those years ago. Now we have a shot at redemption. Abso****inglutely go get him.

Very true. Think hoe one sided that trade would of been. Denver could of had best CB in the league and best back out of the draft. It really pissed me off that Shanny passed on Jackson after he fell to Denver.

NFLBRONCO
02-27-2013, 12:33 PM
I don't want him use bucks on bigger need draft a younger RB.

peacepipe
02-27-2013, 12:39 PM
I don't want him use bucks on bigger need draft a younger RB.

That would be a mistake,not only would he have to learn the NFL,but also learn how to play with manning. He'd barely see the field.
I would use the draft on defense & use fa for offense.

NFLBRONCO
02-27-2013, 12:46 PM
That would be a mistake,not only would he have to learn the NFL,but also learn how to play with manning. He'd barely see the field.
I would use the draft on defense & use fa for offense.

Good point

I'm not a fan of SJ rather spend money elsewhere

Bigdawg26
02-27-2013, 12:48 PM
Rahim Moore was hired first to stop traffic, but cars kept getting behind him

Hilarious

Lycan
02-27-2013, 01:02 PM
I'm gonna throw something if we sign this guy to a huge deal. I'd rather see Jeremiah Johnson get the carries than that old timer.

http://cdn.niketalk.com/4/42/350x700px-LL-42843529_430729708177211362702038.gif

pricejj
02-27-2013, 01:03 PM
What is this board's obsession with Jeremiah Johnson?

Any man who has a pet bear and likes to play with wild skunks is a friend of mine.

Requiem
02-27-2013, 01:18 PM
Steven Jackson, 3 years 15 million.

broncosteven
02-27-2013, 01:34 PM
Steven Jackson, 3 years 15 million.

That is way too much you Liberal Kiddie!

I would spread it out over longer, maybe offer him 5 years at 15 mill, with a chunk guaranteed.

I hope we can find a solid running back who has vision, quickness and can take a pounding somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I think Willis is a liability with his fumbling and the fact he misses too many games every year. I think either Willis or KM needs to go if they want to save some cap space, KM's hit is over 3mil this year. If we got Jackson I would cut/trade both KM and McGahee and rely on Hillman and whomever we draft. Though it would be a nice luxury to have Willis splitting carries with Jackson. I dunno Req, lets go get wrecked!

Requiem
02-27-2013, 01:40 PM
I think he is probably going to get 3.5 -- 4 million a year + whatever bonus. That's why I did 15.

Lestat
02-27-2013, 03:45 PM
if the price is right i would love it. but if he wants a big deal then pass and look to the draft.

Bacchus
02-27-2013, 05:02 PM
Jackson will cost over $7 million a year. Draft a RB and bring back the ones on the roster and let them fight it out.

That is the same price Denver will pay for Moreno, McGahee, Hillman and a rookie combined.

Requiem
02-27-2013, 05:05 PM
Just because his final year of his contract for 7 million was void doesn't mean he is going to get that money. Despite his caliber of career, he is 29. Nobody is going to shell out that for a running back who probably has 2-3 GREAT years lef tin him.

cutthemdown
02-27-2013, 05:14 PM
I like the idea of drafting a young RB, signing Jackson, waiving Mcgahee keep Moreno as a bkup and Hillman as a bit player.

BroncoMan4ever
02-27-2013, 05:16 PM
Mark J. Rebilas-USA Today Sports

The Denver Broncos have some planning to do as they settle into the waiting period right before free agency begins in a couple weeks. As a team that went 13-3 in 2012, there really is not too many holes to be filled, but executive VP John Elway, head coach John Fox and the rest of his staff have a couple of tough decisions to make with current players. The biggest one in many eyes is whether or not RB Willis McGahee is the answer in 2013.

This is where RB Steven Jackson comes into the talks.


http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/20/nfl-rumors-denver-broncos-to-target-rb-steven-jackson-if-he-is-available/

Yes or No ?

I like the Idea. I like big power backs. Sounds like a lot of if's though.

dear god please do NOT let this happen. i hate used up old backs. just draft LeVeon Bell in the 2nd or 3rd round and forget these run down backs.

want2bAbronco2
02-27-2013, 05:18 PM
I would love Bell in the 2nd/3rd...but I wouldn't mind SJ either, I have said all along we are a DT and good RB away from going up another level. Add in a Slot, Mike, and OG and we are really doing well.

Agamemnon
02-27-2013, 05:23 PM
dear god please do NOT let this happen. i hate used up old backs. just draft LeVeon Bell in the 2nd or 3rd round and forget these run down backs.

There is nothing stopping us from signing Jackson and drafting a guy in the mid to late rounds. When you're a team that wants to control the clock with the run like all Fox teams do, you need multiple quality backs. Right now I'm not even sure we have one, especially when you factor in injury issues.

yerner
02-27-2013, 05:23 PM
I think I'd rather have Ivory. Jackson seems to get dinged up every game.

Requiem
02-27-2013, 05:24 PM
Le'Veon Bell could be Steven Jackson's lovechild.

Bmore Manning
02-27-2013, 05:38 PM
Obviously Jackson is the ultimate prize. I like Reqs 3 year $15 million proposal. McGahee and Moreno account for $6 million against the cap..

This may not be the popular opinion but I think Moreno is average at best..Sure he's solid in pass protection, but he doesn't possess homerun explosiveness and he's not a power back.. Moreno cannot stay healthy.

McGahee also cannot stay healthy, and he's similar to
Moreno but better in his ability to get tough yards..

Ivory would be interesting in that he has homerun explosiveness, and has some ability to fight for tough yards, but he's not a bruiser. His pass protection and ability to catch out of the backfield are unproven...

Jackson to me can do it all.. He even can hit the long homerun.. He's great in pass protection, his hands are soft, his ability to fight for short yardage is great. Imagine him motivated to win and on a team where he's not the focal point of defenses.

bigbucks24
02-27-2013, 05:55 PM
It seems that many think SJ is a beast, but will come cheap. If he is superior to all of the Bronco backs, why does anyone think he will come cheap? $15 million over 5 years? Really?

Bmore Manning
02-27-2013, 06:00 PM
It seems that many think SJ is a beast, but will come cheap. If he is superior to all of the Bronco backs, why does anyone think he will come cheap? $15 million over 5 years? Really?

$15 million 3 years.. $5 million a year..

Lestat
02-27-2013, 06:09 PM
It seems that many think SJ is a beast, but will come cheap. If he is superior to all of the Bronco backs, why does anyone think he will come cheap? $15 million over 5 years? Really?

because, the assumption is that the dude has made enough money and now wants to play for a ring on a top team that will still feature him.
we're one of about 3 teams that can offer that and we're under the cap + he's never played with a QB like Manning.

bigbucks24
02-27-2013, 06:12 PM
$15 million 3 years.. $5 million a year..

It was suggested that he should be signed for $15 million over 5 years. Ridiculous. I just don't see him voiding a $7 million a year contract to sign a $5 million a year. Yes, the first one is 1 year and the second one is 3 years, but if he gets hurt, the second one might be 1 year also.

bigbucks24
02-27-2013, 06:17 PM
because, the assumption is that the dude has made enough money and now wants to play for a ring on a top team that will still feature him.
we're one of about 3 teams that can offer that and we're under the cap + he's never played with a QB like Manning.

I guess I'm just not buying into that theory. I don't think it happens as much as people want to think. I think it happens some in the NBA, but seldom in the NFL. I read several message boards and just about everyone says the same thing. He will give us a great deal because... The Jets board is because he gets to play in NY. The Dolphin board is because of no state tax and South Beach. The Chiefs board because...ok, there is really no reason to want to go to KC.

uplink
02-27-2013, 06:24 PM
there really is not too many holes to be filled,

Must be insight from an opposing defense (considering the quality of the broncos backup offensive linemen and the fact that a few starting offensive linemen are injuried)

Requiem
02-27-2013, 06:27 PM
It was suggested that he should be signed for $15 million over 5 years. Ridiculous. I just don't see him voiding a $7 million a year contract to sign a $5 million a year. Yes, the first one is 1 year and the second one is 3 years, but if he gets hurt, the second one might be 1 year also.

I suggested three years with a total contract value of 15 million dollars. My guess is that he is going to get around a four year deal upwards of 20 million with bonuses, etc.

bigbucks24
02-27-2013, 06:30 PM
I suggested three years with a total contract value of 15 million dollars. My guess is that he is going to get around a four year deal upwards of 20 million with bonuses, etc.

You may be correct, but I think he is going to get more than $5 million per year. Unless it is a 3/15 with a lot of guarantees and/or front loaded so that if he is cut, he gets paid a good sum.

razorwire77
02-27-2013, 06:31 PM
We would roll with Jackson running the FB. Even if he's slightly diminished. He'd run right through the arm tackles that took Hillman down consistently and he'd get a lot more than the six yards KM gets when he gets to the second level.

Bmore Manning
02-27-2013, 06:45 PM
We would roll with Jackson running the FB. Even if he's slightly diminished. He'd run right through the arm tackles that took Hillman down consistently and he'd get a lot more than the six yards KM gets when he gets to the second level.

Jackson at FB..?

Bmore Manning
02-27-2013, 06:50 PM
You may be correct, but I think he is going to get more than $5 million per year. Unless it is a 3/15 with a lot of guarantees and/or front loaded so that if he is cut, he gets paid a good sum.

So you think he wants North of $7 million? I think at this point he wants to go to a contender, but of course he wants solid money. ($5million a year range)

Heyneck
02-27-2013, 07:01 PM
Drooling right now thinking about SJ running the power formation. If we want to run it down your throat, we would finally have the RB to deliver punishment and get the tough yards.

ShutDownPoster
02-27-2013, 07:09 PM
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Broncojef
02-27-2013, 07:15 PM
It'd be nice to see a guy of his ilk playing on a Championship team and it would be a pleasure cheering for the guy after all he's gone through in St. Louis with their horrid teams. Bet he'd play like a man on a mission.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-27-2013, 07:18 PM
Drooling right now thinking about SJ running the power formation. If we want to run it down your throat, we would finally have the RB to deliver punishment and get the tough yards.

Yesssss. I remember alot of 1st and 10s then 2nd and 1, then 3rd and 1, then 4th and 1. Those drove me crazy. SJ would prevent alot of those.

ThirtyDegrees
02-27-2013, 07:30 PM
Remember when Shanahan passed on Steven Jackson and said that they had Tatum Bell ranked higher and the losers on the Mane posted about how smart a decision that was?

Lestat
02-27-2013, 08:16 PM
Remember when Shanahan passed on Steven Jackson and said that they had Tatum Bell ranked higher and the losers on the Mane posted about how smart a decision that was?

in fairness, we grabbed DJ with our pick and he played like a demon his rookie year.
that said, i had wanted us to trade back up and get S Jax.

razorwire77
02-27-2013, 08:21 PM
Jackson at FB..?

Single wing baby.

Hilarious!

I would enjoy watching Steven Jackson play running back for the Denver Bronco football team.

BroncoMan4ever
02-27-2013, 08:49 PM
There is nothing stopping us from signing Jackson and drafting a guy in the mid to late rounds. When you're a team that wants to control the clock with the run like all Fox teams do, you need multiple quality backs. Right now I'm not even sure we have one, especially when you factor in injury issues.
I have no issue bringing in a vet back to help carry the load with Bell, I just want a vet with less mileage. Ivory or Dwyer would be great with Bell and Hillman

DENVERDUI55
02-27-2013, 09:40 PM
Remember when Shanahan passed on Steven Jackson and said that they had Tatum Bell ranked higher and the losers on the Mane posted about how smart a decision that was?

Didn't he have Chris Perry ranked the highest? I'm not even sure if that was his name but he was the RB out of Michigan.

Lestat
02-27-2013, 09:56 PM
I have no issue bringing in a vet back to help carry the load with Bell, I just want a vet with less mileage. Ivory or Dwyer would be great with Bell and Hillman

you really want Bell badly in the draft huh?

BroncoMan4ever
02-27-2013, 10:37 PM
you really want Bell badly in the draft huh?

he's a young Steven Jackson. of course i want Bell. everyone here wants Steven Jackson, and that is cool, but i want a guy who plays like Jackson 6 years ago. to give a comparison on the 2 based on combine results.


Steven Jackson
6'2", 231lbs, 16 bench reps, 4.55 - 40, 37 1/2" vertical, 9'10" broad jump, 4.09 - 20 yard shuttle, 7.03 - 3 cone

Le'Veon Bell
6'1", 230lbs, 24 bench reps, 4.6 - 40, 31 1/2" vertical, 9'10" broad jump, 4.24 - 20 yard shuttle, 6.75 - 3 cone

nearly identical measurables, near identical speed, Jackson can jump higher, Bell is stronger. why pay the old on the decline RB with a lot of mileage 5+ million a season when we can get the same type of back at 8 years younger and no wear and tear for something like a million a year in the draft?

ZONA
02-27-2013, 11:33 PM
Was just looking at it appears Ivory missed 10 games last year? Missed the 1st 7 games and then played 5, missed 3 and played 1. I've seen some calling him a brittle. Saints can match offer on him also. Part of me wants to give guys like him, or Greene or Jackson a shot but lordy, I know we all want a power guy who can take it the distance but man, sure would be nice just to have a guy who can stay on the field.........lol.

It just seems to me like backs these days are more often injured, even when most teams are splitting the load between several back. Just amazes me how the backs before had such great health endurance, especially when most teams had a feature back that got most of the carries. I wonder if it has anything to do with how much bigger, stronger and faster these defensive players are getting, especially the linemen.

Heyneck
02-28-2013, 06:26 AM
he's a young Steven Jackson. of course i want Bell. everyone here wants Steven Jackson, and that is cool, but i want a guy who plays like Jackson 6 years ago. to give a comparison on the 2 based on combine results.


Steven Jackson
6'2", 231lbs, 16 bench reps, 4.55 - 40, 37 1/2" vertical, 9'10" broad jump, 4.09 - 20 yard shuttle, 7.03 - 3 cone

Le'Veon Bell
6'1", 230lbs, 24 bench reps, 4.6 - 40, 31 1/2" vertical, 9'10" broad jump, 4.24 - 20 yard shuttle, 6.75 - 3 cone

nearly identical measurables, near identical speed, Jackson can jump higher, Bell is stronger. why pay the old on the decline RB with a lot of mileage 5+ million a season when we can get the same type of back at 8 years younger and no wear and tear for something like a million a year in the draft?

What was his production in college like? Never seen him. But I am far familiar with workout warriors. Mark Ingram, Bennie Wells, KM looked like sure things. But until they laze them on, you can't be sure.

This aside, why bring in a rookie for growing pains? PM has what? 2-3 years left. Why not pare him with someone that has dominated and could really bring another dimension to this Offense?

Requiem
02-28-2013, 06:33 AM
Heyneck -- he split carries his first two years and this was his first year as a full-time starter as a junior.

In his junior season he had 382 carries for ~ 1,800 yards and 12 TD's. (4.7 YPC) He also had 32 snags for ~ 170 yards and a score.

You can see more of his stats here: LINK (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/RB/LeVeon-Bell.php)

40 College Games: 671 carries, 3,346 yards, 5.0 YPC, 33 TD's. 78 catches, 531 yards and 1 TD receiving.

This guy is a STUD.

Heyneck
02-28-2013, 07:19 AM
Nice! looks like a punisher. Still would take SJ over him if we can get him around 4.5-5 mill/year, and use that draft pick on a WR/DT depending what we do in the 1st.

Bacchus
02-28-2013, 07:33 AM
he's a young Steven Jackson. of course i want Bell. everyone here wants Steven Jackson, and that is cool, but i want a guy who plays like Jackson 6 years ago. to give a comparison on the 2 based on combine results.


Steven Jackson
6'2", 231lbs, 16 bench reps, 4.55 - 40, 37 1/2" vertical, 9'10" broad jump, 4.09 - 20 yard shuttle, 7.03 - 3 cone

Le'Veon Bell
6'1", 230lbs, 24 bench reps, 4.6 - 40, 31 1/2" vertical, 9'10" broad jump, 4.24 - 20 yard shuttle, 6.75 - 3 cone

nearly identical measurables, near identical speed, Jackson can jump higher, Bell is stronger. why pay the old on the decline RB with a lot of mileage 5+ million a season when we can get the same type of back at 8 years younger and no wear and tear for something like a million a year in the draft?

I don't want Jackson, it just seems like something Shanahan kept doing which cause all the dead money. RB start to slide at 30. Jackson is going to be 30 and you people want to sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal? That just means in three years when he is cut Denver will still be accounting for his cap number for two years after that.

Let's sign players to contracts they will play.

Mountain Bronco
02-28-2013, 08:09 AM
3 years $15 million sounds about right. I would cut McGahee if we did that. Jackson has some left and was once a great back, McGahee was never a great back, good yes, but not great. A vet like Jackson with Hillman sounds good, KM as a backup guy.

Is there no muscle hamster in this draft?

Bacchus
02-28-2013, 08:21 AM
3 years $15 million sounds about right. I would cut McGahee if we did that. Jackson has some left and was once a great back, McGahee was never a great back, good yes, but not great. A vet like Jackson with Hillman sounds good, KM as a backup guy.

Is there no muscle hamster in this draft?

3 years would be great, I bet it will be a 5 year deal.

McGahee is a much better RB than Moreno. I'd bring them all to camp and cut who doesn't work out. My feeling is Moreno would be gone. Jackson and Mcgahee would be a very good combination.

BroncoMan4ever
02-28-2013, 08:58 AM
What was his production in college like? Never seen him. But I am far familiar with workout warriors. Mark Ingram, Bennie Wells, KM looked like sure things. But until they laze them on, you can't be sure.

This aside, why bring in a rookie for growing pains? PM has what? 2-3 years left. Why not pare him with someone that has dominated and could really bring another dimension to this Offense?

Bell is more than a workout warrior. check out the film on him and hell just his stats. the man can play.

and growing pains? RB and LB are typically the 2 positions where a rookie can come in and have immediate success.

with Bell we are pairing Peyton with young power and speed who will dominate, and be the best back we have had since Portis on day 1. Jackson is an upgrade to our current stable, no doubt, not saying anything against that. i just don't like the idea of switching out our 30+ year old back with a lot of mileage and on the decline for a new 30 year old back with a lot of miles and on the decline.

You bring in Jackson on a 3 year deal he probably gives 1 good year, 1 mediocre year and then 1 final injury shortened mediocre year. You draft Bell, he is a beast for the next 5 years minimum on a rookie deal and will help Peyton on his super bowl or bust runs the next 3 years and be a crutch for Osweiler when he takes over. Best of both worlds.

BroncoMan4ever
02-28-2013, 09:00 AM
3 years $15 million sounds about right. I would cut McGahee if we did that. Jackson has some left and was once a great back, McGahee was never a great back, good yes, but not great. A vet like Jackson with Hillman sounds good, KM as a backup guy.

Is there no muscle hamster in this draft?

Le'Veon Bell is going to be better than muscle hamster.

BroncoMan4ever
02-28-2013, 09:01 AM
3 years would be great, I bet it will be a 5 year deal.

McGahee is a much better RB than Moreno. I'd bring them all to camp and cut who doesn't work out. My feeling is Moreno would be gone. Jackson and Mcgahee would be a very good combination.

good combo if it was 2008. in 2013, they are old men and 1 can't hang onto the ball.

ColoradoDarin
02-28-2013, 09:28 AM
How is Bell in pass pro? For the most part, you can plug and play rookie RBs, but our system needs a back who can pick up a blitz so Manning doesn't get killed.

Requiem
02-28-2013, 09:37 AM
How is Bell in pass pro? For the most part, you can plug and play rookie RBs, but our system needs a back who can pick up a blitz so Manning doesn't get killed.

He has a lot of experience doing it, but could get better. He is tough as nails, his form is just bad and has inconsistency there. It is not as if he is just blatantly blowing assingments Lance Ball style. Most all backs need to be refined. He is coming out of a pro-style offense. I have no doubts that a 6'1 - 230+ pound back is going to be able to mash people going after the QB if he has to do so.

Bmore Manning
02-28-2013, 09:42 AM
Req your pumpin up my boy Bell like you were Don King!

ColoradoDarin
02-28-2013, 09:51 AM
He has a lot of experience doing it, but could get better. He is tough as nails, his form is just bad and has inconsistency there. It is not as if he is just blatantly blowing assingments Lance Ball style. Most all backs need to be refined. He is coming out of a pro-style offense. I have no doubts that a 6'1 - 230+ pound back is going to be able to mash people going after the QB if he has to do so.

I could definitely live with that, especially considering our coaching has been in that area.

Requiem
02-28-2013, 10:19 AM
Req your pumpin up my boy Bell like you were Don King!

He's been one of my favorite players since his sophomore year, I am glad he came out this year because if he would have stayed in school, he'd be a Top 25 pick. I think he is going to go higher than people expect. :)

Bacchus
02-28-2013, 10:33 AM
He's been one of my favorite players since his sophomore year, I am glad he came out this year because if he would have stayed in school, he'd be a Top 25 pick. I think he is going to go higher than people expect. :)

Where do you expect him to go? I don't think he'll be there for Denver 2nd round pick.

Tom G
02-28-2013, 10:38 AM
Heyneck -- he split carries his first two years and this was his first year as a full-time starter as a junior.

In his junior season he had 382 carries for ~ 1,800 yards and 12 TD's. (4.7 YPC) He also had 32 snags for ~ 170 yards and a score.

You can see more of his stats here: LINK (http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/RB/LeVeon-Bell.php)

40 College Games: 671 carries, 3,346 yards, 5.0 YPC, 33 TD's. 78 catches, 531 yards and 1 TD receiving.

This guy is a STUD.

If those stats make Bell a stud, what would you call an RB whose college career stats are:

26 College Games: 573 carries, 3,243 yards, 5.7 YPC, 36 TDs. 33 catches, 338 yards and 2 TDs receiving.

Answer: A 21 year old (his age today) Denver Broncos RB drafted last year in the 3rd round.

Bacchus
02-28-2013, 10:46 AM
If those stats make Bell a stud, what would you call an RB whose college career stats are:

26 College Games: 573 carries, 3,243 yards, 5.7 YPC, 36 TDs. 33 catches, 338 yards and 2 TDs receiving.

Answer: A 21 year old (his age today) Denver Broncos RB drafted last year in the 3rd round.

Good point, this proves that colleges stats don't mean anything.

Tombstone RJ
02-28-2013, 10:50 AM
The difference between Bell and Jackson is that Jackson has proven he can do it in the NFL and Bell has not. With Manning and a win now team, if Jackson can come at a reasonable contract then it makes sense to get him. However, I'm in no way opposed to the Bronco drafting Bell or another young RB instead of bringing in Jackson.

Requiem
02-28-2013, 10:54 AM
If those stats make Bell a stud, what would you call an RB whose college career stats are:

26 College Games: 573 carries, 3,243 yards, 5.7 YPC, 36 TDs. 33 catches, 338 yards and 2 TDs receiving.

Answer: A 21 year old (his age today) Denver Broncos RB drafted last year in the 3rd round.

I think Bell and Hillman would be a tremendous combo. It would cause headaches for defense across the league. They are not similar players at all. Hillman was playing against teams like Cal Poly, Navy, Air Force, New Mexico State, UNLV, etc. putting up those great numbers. He did solid against Michigan, Missouri and Wyoming -- but the first two teams weren't good when he played them. When he faced real competition: (really only twice -- Boise State and Utah) -- he didn't perform and he left a lot on the field last year.

I don't ever think he will be a feature back in the league, but maybe I'm wrong. We need thunder to Ronnie's lightning.

Heyneck
02-28-2013, 10:54 AM
3 years would be great, I bet it will be a 5 year deal.

McGahee is a much better RB than Moreno. I'd bring them all to camp and cut who doesn't work out. My feeling is Moreno would be gone. Jackson and Mcgahee would be a very good combination.

McGahee didn't show he was much better than Moreno last year. Actually you could argue that once KM was starting, we became a more complete and efficient offense. Plus, why have 2 30 year old backs? KM ain't going anywhere dude. If we sign a vet, WM is out of here.

Play2win
02-28-2013, 10:57 AM
The difference between Bell and Jackson is that Jackson has proven he can do it in the NFL and Bell has not. With Manning and a win now team, if Jackson can come at a reasonable contract then it makes sense to get him. However, I'm in no way opposed to the Bronco drafting Bell or another young RB instead of bringing in Jackson.

Yeah, plus Jackson has seen about every NFL defense and what they all do. Jackson know what to do in a number of different circumstances that NFL defenses can throw at him, which will benefit Peyton Manning immensely.

Requiem
02-28-2013, 10:59 AM
Get Jackson and Bell. Keep Hillman. Cut McGahee and Moreno and don't re-sign that Lance Turdball. Keep Jeremiah Johnson or Mario Fannin on the PS. Just have an awesome stable of backs. Lolololol MADDENSTYLEEE

Heyneck
02-28-2013, 11:02 AM
Yeah, plus Jackson has seen about every NFL defense and what they all do. Jackson know what to do in a number of different circumstances that NFL defenses can throw at him, which will benefit Peyton Manning immensely.

Plus keep in mind SJ has been the Offense in STL since Bulger started to play like crap. Dude has faced 8-9 man fronts all his career and thrived. The nearest back that reminds me to him is Marshawn Lynch. Which is another case for McD to do a total double facepalm. We could have had him, we had a better pick, but noooooo, McD has to dig into his inner hoody and get Maroney.

Heyneck
02-28-2013, 11:05 AM
Get Jackson and Bell. Keep Hillman. Cut McGahee and Moreno and don't re-sign that Lance Turdball. Keep Jeremiah Johnson or Mario Fannin on the PS. Just have an awesome stable of backs. Lolololol MADDENSTYLEEE

would not be mad with this scenario. I just think deep down, Fox and Elway have a crush or a mayor plan for Moreno.

Tombstone RJ
02-28-2013, 11:06 AM
Plus keep in mind SJ has been the Offense in STL since Bulger started to play like crap. Dude has faced 8-9 man fronts all his career and thrived. The nearest back that reminds me to him is Marshawn Lynch. Which is another case for McD to do a total double facepalm. We could have had him, we had a better pick, but noooooo, McD has to dig into his inner hoody and get Maroney.

and Shanny could have drafted Jackson... just saying.

Requiem
02-28-2013, 11:11 AM
and Shanny could have drafted Jackson... just saying.

Love Shanny but that still makes me mad. I remember them having Jackson on cam when the Broncos were selecting because it made sense -- they took DJ Williams and he basically **** himself.

Tombstone RJ
02-28-2013, 02:09 PM
Love Shanny but that still makes me mad. I remember them having Jackson on cam when the Broncos were selecting because it made sense -- they took DJ Williams and he basically **** himself.

Yep, what a huge disappointment. Can you imagine the numbers Jackson could have put up in Shanny's system? I think the Broncos traded down and with St. Louis and they took Jackson, right? Either way, it was a head scratcher.

Some mocks have the Broncos taking Lacey with the #28 pick. That would definitely be interesting...

SlyEli
02-28-2013, 02:44 PM
Yep, what a huge disappointment. Can you imagine the numbers Jackson could have put up in Shanny's system? I think the Broncos traded down and with St. Louis and they took Jackson, right? Either way, it was a head scratcher.

Some mocks have the Broncos taking Lacey with the #28 pick. That would definitely be interesting...

Lacy at 28 isn't a great value. Just like richardson at #3 wash't a good value last season in a year where doug martin and david wilson were picked at #31 and #32. Lacy was so much bigger and stronger than every defender he went against in college football, and he had one of the best o-lines of all time paving the way for him. None of that will be true in the NFL

NFLBRONCO
02-28-2013, 02:45 PM
Yep, what a huge disappointment. Can you imagine the numbers Jackson could have put up in Shanny's system? I think the Broncos traded down and with St. Louis and they took Jackson, right? Either way, it was a head scratcher.

Some mocks have the Broncos taking Lacey with the #28 pick. That would definitely be interesting...

Love it but, no way he's at 28

Cito Pelon
02-28-2013, 02:59 PM
I'd sign Steven Jackson if his asking price isn't out of line....you simply can't overpay for a RB that will be 30 next season.

He's getting older, but has held up well....and he's built for longevity.

I think he could have 3 more productive seasons, which would coincide well with the 3 or 4 years Denver will have with Peyton Manning.

Jackson runs tough, is a very good receiver out of the backfield, is a better pass blocker than he is given credit for, and is a leader.

I'm sure he really wants to play for a good team that has a chance of winning a Super Bowl.

The Rams haven't had a winning season during his entire career.

I wouldn't expect any 300+ carries and 1400 yard rushing seasons from Steven Jackson.

I'd expect something in the neighborhood of 225 carries and 1,000+ yards, with 40+ receptions, and stellar pass protection.

More than anything, I'd expect him to step it up in the playoffs and not limp off the field when the team needs him the most ala Knowshon Moreno.

I don't see him as a long term solution, but a perfect compliment to Peyton Manning for a nice 3 year Super Bowl run....if he's willing to take a deal in line with the realization that he is a 30 year old RB.

Sounds good to me. I wouldn't be surprised if Elway offered him a contract. They basically have nothing at RB right now, just hopes, prayers, and ST'rs.

They're very thin at RB, and you can't count on the draft to provide all of the depth and competition they need.

spiralism
02-28-2013, 05:11 PM
Fox doesnt trust rookie RBs. He normally only allows them to contribute in rotation, look at how he used Hillman last year for example. Even in Jonathan Stewart's rookie year he only got about a third of the touches behind DeAngelo Williams. With the Manning situation giving us a limited window, signing Jackson would make a hell of a lot of sense, Fox hasnt the time to groom a rookie runner.

SlyEli
02-28-2013, 05:18 PM
I don't think mcgahee gets enough credit here. I think he's still got some in the tank. I think the speed back element is missing more. I don't have a ton of faith in hillman

Old Dude
02-28-2013, 05:20 PM
Get him.

broncosteven
02-28-2013, 05:44 PM
I don't think mcgahee gets enough credit here. I think he's still got some in the tank. I think the speed back element is missing more. I don't have a ton of faith in hillman

Hillman put up 80+ yards filling in after KM went down. He is not going to be a move the pile RB but he is fine as a 3rd down type back.

I don't care if McGhee comes back as long as we get a big RB in the draft to groom to replace him.

I am hoping John can use Bobby Turners metric's to find a solid RB in the mid to late rounds we can use to grind out some games. A Clinton Portis would be nice but this team needs a guy more like MA was. Tough hard hitting smart RB minus the weed blowing.

SlyEli
02-28-2013, 05:50 PM
Hillman put up 80+ yards filling in after KM went down. He is not going to be a move the pile RB but he is fine as a 3rd down type back.

I don't care if McGhee comes back as long as we get a big RB in the draft to groom to replace him.

I am hoping John can use Bobby Turners metric's to find a solid RB in the mid to late rounds we can use to grind out some games. A Clinton Portis would be nice but this team needs a guy more like MA was. Tough hard hitting smart RB minus the weed blowing.

I agree, but i think the nfl is moving more towards speed backs anyway with the spread offenses becoming all the rage. It's rare that you see an i-formation with a big bruising fullback and running back anymore. Don't get me wrong, you still need a short yardage guy. But I don't think the big bruisers are as valuable anymore

ShutDownPoster
02-28-2013, 06:13 PM
Bring him in - not only for the bruising runs, but also for the 40+ catches he averages per year, even had a 90 catch season in '06.