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TheReverend
02-25-2013, 12:09 PM
Unofficial times of 4.81 and 4.80

Plays a little faster but don't think we can afford to throw that on the field in the nickel

Tombstone RJ
02-25-2013, 12:10 PM
Minter 4.81

TheReverend
02-25-2013, 12:16 PM
Minter 4.81

Yes, that too.

I wouldn't take either in the first now.

Hoping they shift focus to OL in the first.

gyldenlove
02-25-2013, 12:19 PM
Depends on the system, Laurinaitis ran a 4.88 and he is doing pretty well in St Louis.

Minter ran slow, Ogletree did okay but not great. Bostic with 4.50 is. Kaseem Greene not shining either.

oubronco
02-25-2013, 12:20 PM
TE's will be licking their chops

OBF1
02-25-2013, 12:20 PM
But you stated these are "Unofficial" times.... they could be even slower than advertised.

If Manti is available at 28, I am telling you now, he will be a Denver Bronco.

maher_tyler
02-25-2013, 12:20 PM
What is the MLB depth like in this draft?

Beantown Bronco
02-25-2013, 12:20 PM
4.8? Clearly, you're using the word "run" in the loosest sense.

BroncosfanGuy
02-25-2013, 12:21 PM
Unless Ogletree somehow falls to Denver I think we can close the book on a Mike in the 1st. OL is an obvious need as is CB help and maybe a playmaker like Austin if he's available at 28.

Archer81
02-25-2013, 12:24 PM
Hard to square 7 INT's with a 4.8 40 time. Maybe he is just having an off day?


:Broncos:

Bacchus
02-25-2013, 12:25 PM
Yes, that too.

I wouldn't take either in the first now.

Hoping they shift focus to DL in the first.

I corrected it for you.

oubronco
02-25-2013, 12:25 PM
I believe most were tipped at the line for easy pickins

Bacchus
02-25-2013, 12:26 PM
Hard to square 7 INT's with a 4.8 40 time. Maybe he is just having an off day?


:Broncos:

One was throwing right at his numbers and 4 came off tipped balls. Looks to me the DL should get credit for those INTs.

Requiem
02-25-2013, 12:29 PM
OL would be a waste in the first.

Houshyamama
02-25-2013, 12:32 PM
OL would be a waste in the first.

Because there's a lack of talent at the top of the draft or because you don't think it's a need? Personally, I never think it's a bad idea to add talent to the OL.

TheReverend
02-25-2013, 12:32 PM
Officially 4.82

Archer81
02-25-2013, 12:35 PM
Because there's a lack of talent at the top of the draft or because you don't think it's a need? Personally, I never think it's a bad idea to add talent to the OL.


It would be funny if we grabbed Kyle Long. Howie might die a little inside.


:Broncos:

Heyneck
02-25-2013, 12:39 PM
Ok... now I am shifting towards Austin if he somehow makes it to our pick. If not, Barret Jones, Te'O then one of the big pocket disruptor DT's.

Requiem
02-25-2013, 12:41 PM
Because there's a lack of talent at the top of the draft or because you don't think it's a need? Personally, I never think it's a bad idea to add talent to the OL.

If we are drafting an OL @ 28 he needs to be starting right away.

Who and what position?

Think the team is going to do what it takes to add playmakers to a defense that played out of the nickel 65% of the time last year. I really think it is going to be a LB or DB.

want2bAbronco2
02-25-2013, 12:48 PM
mike would be ok, I wouldnt be mad at OL either in 1st.. But I think first 2 picks would better be spend on DT/RB. Unless we get something in FA. DT, IMO is biggest need.

bronco militia
02-25-2013, 12:52 PM
Hard to square 7 INT's with a 4.8 40 time. Maybe he is feeling queer today?


:Broncos:

FYP....you did that on purpose :rofl:

Ray Finkle
02-25-2013, 12:57 PM
who would win in a race between him and Mo Clarrett?

BroncosfanGuy
02-25-2013, 12:58 PM
who would win in a race between him and Mo Clarrett?

might depend on whether they got their goose on before they ran

TheReverend
02-25-2013, 12:58 PM
who would win in a race between him and Mo Clarrett?

300 lb Shariff Floyd could compete with them.

gyldenlove
02-25-2013, 01:06 PM
Hard to square 7 INT's with a 4.8 40 time. Maybe he is just having an off day?


:Broncos:

College INTs are about as good a measure of ability as their zodiac sign. He had 0 INTs in his first 3 seasons combined, the INTs he had this year is an outlier. 4.8 is about what he will do, he might get it up to 4.75 at his pro day, but he is not an athletic guy like Von Miller.

Beantown Bronco
02-25-2013, 01:06 PM
300 lb Shariff Floyd could compete with them.

We need the side by side overlay with Rich Eisen running in his suit.

TheReverend
02-25-2013, 01:08 PM
We need the side by side overlay with Rich Eisen running in his suit.

Throw some sneakers on Eisen and he's got em all.

Smilin Assassin
02-25-2013, 01:12 PM
Throw some sneakers on Eisen and he's got em all.

He'll have sneakers on. Just not the hideous under armour camo gear.

Mogulseeker
02-25-2013, 01:14 PM
I had the Manti Runs once.

Damn Taco Bell.

BigPlayShay
02-25-2013, 01:15 PM
http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/harbaughhatesteo.gif

Mogulseeker
02-25-2013, 01:15 PM
Unofficial times of 4.81 and 4.80

Plays a little faster but don't think we can afford to throw that on the field in the nickel

I agree... we need a mike, but 4.8 is just too slow for what we need.

Not worth it at 28.

Mediator12
02-25-2013, 01:16 PM
Not a big deal on his 40 time, he is not that fast. However, he is instinctive.

Contrast Teo with Zaviar Gooden. Gooden ran a 4.50 40 but he plays slower than Teo on tape. LB's are about instincts and reading the plays, that is why Teo is a quality MLB. Is he a top 15 MLB? No, not athletic enough. However, he is late first/early second rounder just like Rey Maualuga was several years ago.

I just can not handle the fricking hype on the kid. NFLN was freaking showing him spit in Slow motion and trying to analyze his DNA during the LB portion today ;D WHY? Because he got deceived by some idiot and stunk in his bowl game against Alabama? Yawn. And, Double yawn. So not a story, and so a late first rounder at best. WHY?

bronco militia
02-25-2013, 01:20 PM
http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/harbaughhatesteo.gif


:rofl:

John Harbaugh is unimpressed by Manti Te'o's 40

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/25/4028664/john-harbaugh-manti-teo-40-gif

Requiem
02-25-2013, 01:20 PM
Still think T'eo and Minter go in round one. They both got da instincts.

bronco militia
02-25-2013, 01:21 PM
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1460237/KPUMwoC.jpg

Rohirrim
02-25-2013, 01:21 PM
Not a big deal on his 40 time, he is not that fast. However, he is instinctive.

Contrast Teo with Zaviar Gooden. Gooden ran a 4.50 40 but he plays slower than Teo on tape. LB's are about instincts and reading the plays, that is why Teo is a quality MLB. Is he a top 15 MLB? No, not athletic enough. However, he is late first/early second rounder just like Rey Maualuga was several years ago.

I just can not handle the fricking hype on the kid. NFLN was freaking showing him spit in Slow motion and trying to analyze his DNA during the LB portion today ;D WHY? Because he got deceived by some idiot and stunk in his bowl game against Alabama? Yawn. And, Double yawn. So not a story, and so a late first rounder at best. WHY?

Oh, you mean he went to Notre Dame?

maven
02-25-2013, 01:22 PM
were people expecting him to run faster?

rugbythug
02-25-2013, 01:23 PM
Not a big deal on his 40 time, he is not that fast. However, he is instinctive.

Contrast Teo with Zaviar Gooden. Gooden ran a 4.50 40 but he plays slower than Teo on tape. LB's are about instincts and reading the plays, that is why Teo is a quality MLB. Is he a top 15 MLB? No, not athletic enough. However, he is late first/early second rounder just like Rey Maualuga was several years ago.

I just can not handle the fricking hype on the kid. NFLN was freaking showing him spit in Slow motion and trying to analyze his DNA during the LB portion today ;D WHY? Because he got deceived by some idiot and stunk in his bowl game against Alabama? Yawn. And, Double yawn. So not a story, and so a late first rounder at best. WHY?

He is rey . But rey should have been a 4th round pick in hindsight.

Mogulseeker
02-25-2013, 01:23 PM
were people expecting him to run faster?

I was.

I was hoping he could be the guy to solve our TE coverage woes.

maven
02-25-2013, 01:29 PM
I was.

I was hoping he could be the guy to solve our TE coverage woes.

Interesting. I never thought of him as a speed athletic freak type of player.

Kaylore
02-25-2013, 01:29 PM
:rofl:

John Harbaugh is unimpressed by Manti Te'o's 40

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/25/4028664/john-harbaugh-manti-teo-40-gif

:rofl:

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1460273/GylQmmx.jpg

TheReverend
02-25-2013, 01:36 PM
:rofl:

[IMG]http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1460273/GylQmmx.jpg[IMG]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1460213/tumblr_misk3gUqNC1qah9sgo1_1280.jpg

Bigdawg26
02-25-2013, 01:37 PM
But you stated these are "Unofficial" times.... they could be even slower than advertised.

If Manti is available at 28, I am telling you now, he will be a Denver Bronco.

I have a funny feeling about that too. I felt that Minter, Olgetree, Reddick, and T'eo would run alot faster than those times. I guess it doesn't really matter because they will get their times down by their pro days. I would much rather us now kinda trade down in the early second and 3 to a team that wants a QB and get a safety (Reid), MLB (Minter), RB (Micheal for A&M), and slot receiver (Stills) in the 2nd and 3rd. But that's wishful thinking!

Mediator12
02-25-2013, 01:38 PM
Oh, you mean he went to Notre Dame?

Hey, I live in Indiana and ND fans are obnoxious as all get out. This year was especially brutal with their luck. However, IU's hoops is back and I have been giving it back to them in spades :approve:

TheReverend
02-25-2013, 01:46 PM
Manti's girlfriend cheers him on while he runs his 2nd 40

































http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj73/thereverend316/Manti_zpsccce586f.jpg

Tombstone RJ
02-25-2013, 01:57 PM
lol!!!!

I'd still take Minter in the first if he's there at 28.

pricejj
02-25-2013, 02:07 PM
Joe Mays wins in a head to head race with Te'o and Minter?...wth


Best OL at #28, then you're pretty much forced to take the best CB at #58.

Requiem
02-25-2013, 02:27 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/xgifyw.jpg

ColoradoDarin
02-25-2013, 02:30 PM
Oh the Huge Manti?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lemcdxPjXm1qadjjqo1_500.jpg

BroncoInferno
02-25-2013, 02:58 PM
lol!!!!

I'd still take Minter in the first if he's there at 28.

40 times can be overrated, but you can't stay on the field all three downs in the NFL at 4.8+. If we are going to invest in a MLB in the 1st round, it must be a guy who can cover and stay on the field all three downs.

DENVERDUI55
02-25-2013, 03:20 PM
Manti's instincts have him playing a little faster. He is better than Rey M because he can cover and play the pass. I would have no problem with Denver taking him. Denver probably is better taking a quality OL player there though.

gyldenlove
02-25-2013, 03:50 PM
Joe Mays wins in a head to head race with Te'o and Minter?...wth


Best OL at #28, then you're pretty much forced to take the best CB at #58.

Sadly, a traffic cone is better in zone coverage and has substantially better instincts than Mays......

gyldenlove
02-25-2013, 04:01 PM
Te'o did quite well in the short shuttle and cone drills, which test quickness and change of direction - he beat out Ogletree in both disciplines which bodes well for him. His broad jump was pretty pathetic, but his vertical was decent enough, but he is not an explosive athlete who is going to blow up offensive linemen.

ShutDownPoster
02-25-2013, 04:04 PM
Lofa ran a 4.8, then a 4.7 on his pro-day....just sayin'

razorwire77
02-25-2013, 04:05 PM
I'm not going to throw a fit if Te'o is the pick at 28. I respect what he did in college and I do agree that he has above average instincts, but between his combine performance and the BCS game, you've really gotta question whether he can stay on the field for more than a couple of downs in the NFL.
I mean to put this into perspective, Brian Urlacher was running in the 4.55 range and threw up 225 27 times.

Te'o is a fringe 1st rounder without the weird fake dead girlfriend story.

Houshyamama
02-25-2013, 04:11 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dfSzn6m.jpg

Rascal
02-25-2013, 04:16 PM
OL would be a waste in the first.

How is it different, or more wasteful, than CB? We already have two starters and a good #3.

gyldenlove
02-25-2013, 04:31 PM
How is it different, or more wasteful, than CB? We already have two starters and a good #3.

Because all of our starters on OL are under 30, one of our starters on CB is one of the 5 oldest players in the league and our current nickel guy needs to show more consistency.

enjolras
02-25-2013, 04:32 PM
How is it different, or more wasteful, than CB? We already have two starters and a good #3.

Bolden performed when given the chance as well. CB is no question the strongest position top to bottom on the defense (outside linebacker being a close second). We have glaring holes at strong safety, interior defensive line, and middle linebacker.

Really those are the most obvious holes on the whole team.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
02-25-2013, 04:34 PM
Unofficial times of 4.81 and 4.80

Plays a little faster but don't think we can afford to throw that on the field in the nickel

Didn't read the entire thread, but wasn't there a couple of offensive lineman that ran in th 4.7s? I try not to be a height weight speed guy, but you got to beat a guy the out weighs you 60-70lbs.

Edit:

BTW, who would want that fast lineman on the jumbo package. I would. Just thinking about all those play action and play action boots with him open 10-15 down the field. Wooh!

Willynowei
02-25-2013, 04:47 PM
4.8+ is slow man, in fact 4.8 is not just slow at the NFL level, its slow at the collegiate level, i played linebacker in highschool and ran under a 4.8 with pads on.

Its one thing to not be a 4.5 guy, its another thing to be unable to break 4.8. He's not that big, he doesn't look that strong, he's going to get mauled on the interior.

No. He is not 1st round material, I'm not sure i'd take him in the second either. He's not starter talent, and you shoot for starters in rounds 1 and 2. Period.

Tombstone RJ
02-25-2013, 04:53 PM
40 times can be overrated, but you can't stay on the field all three downs in the NFL at 4.8+. If we are going to invest in a MLB in the 1st round, it must be a guy who can cover and stay on the field all three downs.

I definitely agree, however, I'd still take him if he's there at 28 (and he won't be). Sure, his 40 is not great but he excelled in the SEC and he's proven to be the most well rounded MLB prospect of this draft. I think his instincts make up for his lack of flat line speed, and I also believe some players (like Terrell Davis for instance) have true game speed that doesn't always translate to the 40, but of course I could be wrong too...

Rascal
02-25-2013, 05:08 PM
Because all of our starters on OL are under 30, one of our starters on CB is one of the 5 oldest players in the league and our current nickel guy needs to show more consistency.

And all but one are returning from injury. And one is serious enough that people are contemplating cutting him.

Rascal
02-25-2013, 05:10 PM
4.8+ is slow man, in fact 4.8 is not just slow at the NFL level, its slow at the collegiate level, i played linebacker in highschool and ran under a 4.8 with pads on.
Its one thing to not be a 4.5 guy, its another thing to be unable to break 4.8. He's not that big, he doesn't look that strong, he's going to get mauled on the interior.

No. He is not 1st round material, I'm not sure i'd take him in the second either. He's not starter talent, and you shoot for starters in rounds 1 and 2. Period.

Yeah, and how big were you? And if it's north of 225 why didn't you play in college? In other words, I'm calling BS.

Requiem
02-25-2013, 05:16 PM
How is it different, or more wasteful, than CB? We already have two starters and a good #3.

Champ Bailey.
Chris Harris.
Omar Bolden.
Tony Carter.

That is it. One of them goes down, we are screwed. Addressing the nickel defense is going to be a primary concern for this team moving forward. Hence why John Lynch was brought in to help evaluate DB's alongside Elway and that they interviewed a bunch of them @ Indy.

yerner
02-25-2013, 05:17 PM
And all but one are returning from injury. And one is serious enough that people are contemplating cutting him.

And didn't they want to draft the Stanford guard last year that went to the Steelers just ahead of them. I'm thinking they go get a guy at right tackle and move Franklin in. Is there a tackle at 28?

DENVERDUI55
02-25-2013, 05:23 PM
And didn't they want to draft the Stanford guard last year that went to the Steelers just ahead of them. I'm thinking they go get a guy at right tackle and move Franklin in. Is there a tackle at 28?

You could just take the best player out of tackle and guard and be set.

elsid13
02-25-2013, 05:24 PM
And didn't they want to draft the Stanford guard last year that went to the Steelers just ahead of them. I'm thinking they go get a guy at right tackle and move Franklin in. Is there a tackle at 28?

There are several strong candidates at both guard and tackle that will be sitting there at 28. I kinda think Long out of Oregon would be very interesting pick up.

Requiem
02-25-2013, 05:31 PM
Strong candidates @ OT or G. HAH!

Joeckel, Fisher, Johnson and Fluker will probably all be gone by 28.

Warmack and Cooper (two best guards) will be off the boards to.

Why would Denver take the #7 rated OL @ #28 when there will be plenty of defensive talent available with higher on board grades?

Long @ #28 would be a tragedy.

Wait until the second or third round to get a guy for the OL. The value for OL @ #28 simply isn't there, unless you get a guy like Jones and can ensure he starts right away.

Serious mistake with the depth of OL in this class to take one that early. It would be absolutely unforgivable.

razorwire77
02-25-2013, 05:40 PM
Is it me, or does it appear that Manti Ta'o has extremely short legs? Hard to break a 4.8 when you look like Fred Flintstone push starting a car when you run
.

Bigdawg26
02-25-2013, 05:44 PM
Champ Bailey.
Chris Harris.
Omar Bolden.
Tony Carter.

That is it. One of them goes down, we are screwed. Addressing the nickel defense is going to be a primary concern for this team moving forward. Hence why John Lynch was brought in to help evaluate DB's alongside Elway and that they interviewed a bunch of them @ Indy.

Hopefully Lynch is there to help evaluate safeties!! I guess getting a value CB that slipped in the later rounds wouldn't be a bad idea for at least special teams.

Bigdawg26
02-25-2013, 05:45 PM
Also, is there a link where you can see who the broncos interviewed at the combine?

Action
02-25-2013, 05:51 PM
4.8+ is slow man, in fact 4.8 is not just slow at the NFL level, its slow at the collegiate level, i played linebacker in highschool and ran under a 4.8 with pads on.

Its one thing to not be a 4.5 guy, its another thing to be unable to break 4.8. He's not that big, he doesn't look that strong, he's going to get mauled on the interior.

No. He is not 1st round material, I'm not sure i'd take him in the second either. He's not starter talent, and you shoot for starters in rounds 1 and 2. Period.

I would like to hear your fantastic evaluations of the other MLB's in the draft in regards to their size...

yerner
02-25-2013, 05:57 PM
Strong candidates @ OT or G. HAH!

Joeckel, Fisher, Johnson and Fluker will probably all be gone by 28.

Warmack and Cooper (two best guards) will be off the boards to.

Why would Denver take the #7 rated OL @ #28 when there will be plenty of defensive talent available with higher on board grades?

Long @ #28 would be a tragedy.

Wait until the second or third round to get a guy for the OL. The value for OL @ #28 simply isn't there, unless you get a guy like Jones and can ensure he starts right away.

Serious mistake with the depth of OL in this class to take one that early. It would be absolutely unforgivable.

maybe so, i haven't really read to much on this draft. it's a little boring. i just think that upgrading beadles isn't too bad an idea, or a right tackle that pass protects.

extralife
02-25-2013, 06:04 PM
Champ Bailey.
Chris Harris.
Omar Bolden.
Tony Carter.

That is it. One of them goes down, we are screwed. Addressing the nickel defense is going to be a primary concern for this team moving forward. Hence why John Lynch was brought in to help evaluate DB's alongside Elway and that they interviewed a bunch of them @ Indy.

and how many teams go five deep at corner? none?

SonOfLe-loLang
02-25-2013, 06:12 PM
Champ Bailey.
Chris Harris.
Omar Bolden.
Tony Carter.

That is it. One of them goes down, we are screwed. Addressing the nickel defense is going to be a primary concern for this team moving forward. Hence why John Lynch was brought in to help evaluate DB's alongside Elway and that they interviewed a bunch of them @ Indy.

Out of curiosity, what happens if Decker or Thomas go down? Or one of our DTs...or Clady or Franklin?

gyldenlove
02-25-2013, 06:20 PM
Out of curiosity, what happens if Decker or Thomas go down? Or one of our DTs...or Clady or Franklin?

WR is definitely going to be addressed this offseason. I believe we are going to be quite active in the DT market as well, both FA and draft. From the looks of things we will be going OL at some point in the draft.

Right now I would guess CB gets addressed in FA, DT will be FA and draft. OL will be draft, MLB probably draft as well. I believe WR will be in the draft if we can't make a surprise play for a better free agent and RB is anyones guess.

Requiem
02-25-2013, 06:35 PM
and how many teams go five deep at corner? none?

Every team in the league probably has 5 active corners.

And to other posters: DT and WR will likely be addressed as well -- and OL. It's just about value. Don't see the point in taking an the 7th best OL in the draft with our first pick. That is just loser talk.

DBroncos4life
02-25-2013, 06:55 PM
Every team in the league probably has 5 active corners.

And to other posters: DT and WR will likely be addressed as well -- and OL. It's just about value. Don't see the point in taking an the 7th best OL in the draft with our first pick. That is just loser talk.

I agree. I would rather have the 3rd WR, 3rd CB, or 1st RB over the 7th OL.

extralife
02-25-2013, 07:20 PM
Every team in the league probably has 5 active corners.

And to other posters: DT and WR will likely be addressed as well -- and OL. It's just about value. Don't see the point in taking an the 7th best OL in the draft with our first pick. That is just loser talk.

I didn't say active (though I doubt this too), I said deep. we can give the vet minimum or a sixth round pick on a fifth corner too, doesn't make it a position of need.

and at that point most teams I would think would put in a third safety instead of a fifth corner

Requiem
02-25-2013, 07:36 PM
53 man rosters probably have 5 CBs.

Harris and Carter were impressive. Bolden we don't know. Champ is great, but old. I would not mind having a cheap, affordable long-term replacement under contract (4 years) at the CB position for the future.

We also need a S.

TheReverend
02-25-2013, 08:09 PM
and how many teams go five deep at corner? none?

...all?

Agamemnon
02-25-2013, 08:24 PM
Seems like he might be a better 3-4 ILB with that kind of 40 time. Either way, I've seriously got to question the idea of using a 1st rounder on a MLB/ILB who won't be able to keep up with most tight ends.

Bmore Manning
02-25-2013, 08:42 PM
Seems like he might be a better 3-4 ILB with that kind of 40 time. Either way, I've seriously got to question the idea of using a 1st rounder on a MLB/ILB who won't be able to keep up with most tight ends.

The MLB usually doesn't have TE coverage responsibilities on every play. It can be the Weak or Strong Side LB depending which side of the formation, and more often then not is the responsibility of the SS..

This is a misconception that needs to be addressed..

Rascal
02-25-2013, 08:44 PM
Like I said in the combine thread, he posted similar numbers to Minter who has a first round grade, albiet late, I'm thinking they both go in the first.

Rascal
02-25-2013, 08:45 PM
53 man rosters probably have 5 CBs.

Harris and Carter were impressive. Bolden we don't know. Champ is great, but old. I would not mind having a cheap, affordable long-term replacement under contract (4 years) at the CB position for the future.

We also need a S.

I don't want to spend a first round pick on a CB who might see the field 20% this year. We need somebody who can contribute now. I have no problem with safety.

Boltjolt
02-25-2013, 08:50 PM
He is rey . But rey should have been a 4th round pick in hindsight.

Yea, Rey was very overhyped. Te'o is a better player and dont forget that Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 and still went 2nd round.

It could be BS but a few days ago i saw Shef or some NFL fish wrap, or it could have been PTF, cant remember...one of them tweeted that MLB wasnt on the radar early for Denver from people in charge. I assume they meant Elway.

Agamemnon
02-25-2013, 08:55 PM
Yea, Rey was very overhyped. Te'o is a better player and dont forget that Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 and still went 2nd round.

It could be BS but a few days ago i saw Shef or some NFL fish warp, or it could have been PTF, cant remeber...one of them tweeted that MLB wasnt on the radar early for Denver from people in charge. I assume they meant Elway.

Based on what I'm seeing out of the guys some people were hoping we would take I hope that's true. None of the Mikes in this draft look like good fits for us at #28.

Agamemnon
02-25-2013, 08:57 PM
Like I said in the combine thread, he posted similar numbers to Minter who has a first round grade, albiet late, I'm thinking they both go in the first.

I doubt it. Their first round grades were dependent on them having 3-down Mike speed. Neither of them seem to have that though. I think they both drop to the 2nd at this point.

cutthemdown
02-25-2013, 09:03 PM
I don't want to spend a first round pick on a CB who might see the field 20% this year. We need somebody who can contribute now. I have no problem with safety.

Broncos 3rd CB probably plays more then 20%. So if a rookie or FA beat out Carter for the 3rd spot he would probably be on the field close to half the time.

2 really good CB may fall to Denver and I think they would be hard to pass. But more likely the mocks are wrong and guys like Rhodes, Poyer and Trufant are gone by the time we pick. But there could be 4 CB in the first round IMO.

I feel that way just because virtually every team could use better CB's IMO. 2 good ones not enough anymore when teams throw 4 WR out there and TE who can run like WR.

I'd be stoked with Desmond Trufant.

extralife
02-25-2013, 09:31 PM
53 man rosters probably have 5 CBs.

usually, but not always. and the active 46 usually doesn't.

TheReverend
02-25-2013, 09:36 PM
usually, but not always. and the active 46 usually doesn't.

Wrong again.

Usually where they tap ST talent.

Durango
02-25-2013, 09:39 PM
College INTs are about as good a measure of ability as their zodiac sign. He had 0 INTs in his first 3 seasons combined, the INTs he had this year is an outlier. 4.8 is about what he will do, he might get it up to 4.75 at his pro day, but he is not an athletic guy like Von Miller.

Oh come on. Compared to Miller every lineman or linebacker in the league is a snail.

If Teo is there at 28 I have to believe the Broncos take him off the boards.

Br0nc0Buster
02-25-2013, 09:48 PM
Oh come on. Compared to Miller every lineman or linebacker in the league is a snail.

If Teo is there at 28 I have to believe the Broncos take him off the boards.

Teo was 20th out of 26 for the 40
Compared to NFL linebackers he is a bit slow

That said I think we probably would take him if we fell to us
But not overly impressed with him at the moment

The bama game was pathetic, and he is showing us there is nothing special about him from a talent standpoint

ak1971
02-25-2013, 10:01 PM
I didnt read anything in this thread...but my wife blurted this out in the car coming home tonight...

" I dont care if the guy ****s donkeys at night, if he can play pick him up'

cutthemdown
02-26-2013, 01:18 AM
Teo sounding more like a 2nd round pick people.

Bacchus
02-26-2013, 02:03 AM
Teo sounding more like a 2nd round pick people.

If Denver took a DT in the first and Te'o in the 2nd I would not be pissed. I still am hesitant about the drama he would bring. I am still recovering from Tebowitis.

cutthemdown
02-26-2013, 03:52 AM
If Denver took a DT in the first and Te'o in the 2nd I would not be pissed. I still am hesitant about the drama he would bring. I am still recovering from Tebowitis.

I just don't think linebacker seems like a juicy position in this years draft. Not smart to try and fix a need in a year where maybe the players just aren't there to pick from. Broncos have been grooming Irving and probably will probably just pair him up with a journeyman like Brooking.

I think Broncos will look at CB and Safety and plan on removing the MLB from the field often. Let's see how the CB run to see how far in the first they will fall.

I could care less what position they take in each round. I just hope we find a couple starters in each draft. If we keep finding a couple good players each offseason you will end up with a really good team. I would love a stud MLB but they guy doesn't seem there this year. I have no idea though just going on what i am reading and hearing.

Bacchus
02-26-2013, 05:02 AM
I just don't think linebacker seems like a juicy position in this years draft. Not smart to try and fix a need in a year where maybe the players just aren't there to pick from. Broncos have been grooming Irving and probably will probably just pair him up with a journeyman like Brooking.

I think Broncos will look at CB and Safety and plan on removing the MLB from the field often. Let's see how the CB run to see how far in the first they will fall.

I could care less what position they take in each round. I just hope we find a couple starters in each draft. If we keep finding a couple good players each offseason you will end up with a really good team. I would love a stud MLB but they guy doesn't seem there this year. I have no idea though just going on what i am reading and hearing.

WTF dude, we are all experts this time of year, don't puss out now.

Atwater His Ass
02-26-2013, 07:30 AM
How fast a guy runs in a straight line in shorts isn't a quality measure of football ability.

There's too many factors that go into running a good 40, pretty much none of which matter when a player hits the field.

Kaylore
02-26-2013, 07:35 AM
I didnt read anything in this thread...but my wife blurted this out in the car coming home tonight...

" I dont care if the guy ****s donkeys at night, if he can play pick him up'

Seems this thread just got closed.

Bacchus
02-26-2013, 08:00 AM
How fast a guy runs in a straight line in shorts isn't a quality measure of football ability.

There's too many factors that go into running a good 40, pretty much none of which matter when a player hits the field.

So why do they run it? Why do they have the combine at all? After all its what you do on the field that counts.

Archer81
02-26-2013, 08:38 AM
So why do they run it? Why do they have the combine at all? After all its what you do on the field that counts.


Latent homosexuality. Clearly.


:Broncos:

CEH
02-26-2013, 09:11 AM
So why do they run it? Why do they have the combine at all? After all its what you do on the field that counts.

It's a boondoogle for the NFL executives to eat at Elmo's steakhouse and do FA business. Only losers on messageboard watch the thing. Outside of medical and interviews not much worth, Even interviews are a joke if a guy has to some 20+ interviews

Is KC really happy that Poe did so well at the combine last year that they had to pick him and not someone else?

TheReverend
02-26-2013, 09:42 AM
It's a boondoogle for the NFL executives to eat at Elmo's steakhouse and do FA business. Only losers on messageboard watch the thing. Outside of medical and interviews not much worth, Even interviews are a joke if a guy has to some 20+ interviews

Is KC really happy that Poe did so well at the combine last year that they had to pick him and not someone else?

You're crazy if you think that's all that matters...

Kaylore
02-26-2013, 09:48 AM
It's a boondoogle for the NFL executives to eat at Elmo's steakhouse and do FA business. Only losers on messageboard watch the thing. Outside of medical and interviews not much worth, Even interviews are a joke if a guy has to some 20+ interviews

Is KC really happy that Poe did so well at the combine last year that they had to pick him and not someone else?

This is only half true. I agree that this where the lion's share of wheeling and dealing get's the preemptive work done. However there is a lot done at the combine that front offices take seriously. Those coaches (many head coaches) and scouts sitting in the stands aren't doing it for a dog and pony show. It it was really so worthless they'd have second tier scouts there and be doing other things.

BroncoBeavis
02-26-2013, 09:51 AM
I didnt read anything in this thread...but my wife blurted this out in the car coming home tonight...

" I dont care if the guy ****s donkeys at night, if he can play pick him up'

You're going to have to unmask the ****s before I'm able to make a definitive judgement.

CEH
02-26-2013, 10:42 AM
Silly messageboard rabbits

You do understand what a boondoggle is? A paid way to get together and not really do anything but have fun. A media event per say.

I've been told directly by a neighbor who happens to be a former coach for Denver and is currently a coach for the best team in the NFC that the combine is a boondoggle.

You can figure out the coach

DBroncos4life
02-26-2013, 10:43 AM
You're crazy if you think that's all that matters...

Come on Rev everyone knew back in the early 80's when the combine was started that the internet message boards and free agency would be huge. That is also why they waited till 2004 to put it on TV as well.

Archer81
02-26-2013, 10:46 AM
Silly messageboard rabbits

You do understand what a boondoggle is? A paid way to get together and not really do anything but have fun. A media event per say.

I've been told directly by a neighbor who happens to be a former coach for Denver and is currently a coach for the best team in the NFC that the combine is a boondoggle.

You can figure out the coach


My cousin's friend's sister's grandmother's tax accountant's state farm's gynocologist says the same thing.

Must be true.

:Broncos:

TheReverend
02-26-2013, 10:52 AM
Come on Rev everyone knew back in the early 80's when the combine was started that the internet message boards and free agency would be huge. That is also why they waited till 2004 to put it on TV as well.

Brb spending a ****load of money to put people through drills to expose potential weaknesses in their football skills at the highest level

...excuse to get together and eat steaks.

Dumbest **** I've heard in the month of February.

DBroncos4life
02-26-2013, 11:09 AM
Brb spending a ****load of money to put people through drills to expose potential weaknesses in their football skills at the highest level

...excuse to get together and eat steaks.

Dumbest **** I've heard in the month of February.

Cold weather and a 4 star steak house is why they are there. :giggle:

CEH
02-26-2013, 11:22 AM
My cousin's friend's sister's grandmother's tax accountant's state farm's gynocologist says the same thing.

Must be true.

:Broncos:

It's a media event to fill the offseason. Best case is teams will go back and review more tape but even Warren Sapp said it about the Dlineman running around in shorts. There is no one in front of them so it doesn't put too much stock in it

IMO, be better if they had a 7 on 7 passing drill at least you could see mano y mano

Archer81
02-26-2013, 11:27 AM
It's a media event to fill the offseason. Best case is teams will go back and review more tape but even Warren Sapp said it about the Dlineman running around in shorts. There is no one in front of them so it doesn't put too much stock in it

IMO, be better if they had a 7 on 7 passing drill at least you could see mano y mano


I dont doubt it's a media event, it being on TV and everything.

But it is a diagnostic tool to measure these various kids in a standard setting. Easier to do with nearly all of them there, it is also an opportunity for HC's and GM's to see these guys their scouts have been talking about in person. That's valuable, even if some do not see that value.

:Broncos:

maven
02-26-2013, 11:30 AM
It's a media event to fill the offseason. Best case is teams will go back and review more tape but even Warren Sapp said it about the Dlineman running around in shorts. There is no one in front of them so it doesn't put too much stock in it

IMO, be better if they had a 7 on 7 passing drill at least you could see mano y mano

Hence the reason why they plan to move the combine to March, FA to April, draft to May. Every team starts training camp on the same day, etc. It's to keep football relevant to the media/$ all year round.

TheReverend
02-26-2013, 11:51 AM
Hence the reason why they plan to move the combine to March, FA to April, draft to May. Every team starts training camp on the same day, etc. It's to keep football relevant to the media/$ all year round.

You realize it's been around since 1984, right? And the drills they do predate that, just came in the form of individual workout visits.

All LONG before people gave a **** about offseason football.

Tombstone RJ
02-26-2013, 11:58 AM
Looks like Arthur Brown ran a 4.62 forty. He's 6'.0" and 242lbs. To put this in perspective, Al Wilson ran a 4.56 forty and he was 6'0" and 239lbs...

maven
02-26-2013, 12:44 PM
You realize it's been around since 1984, right? And the drills they do predate that, just came in the form of individual workout visits.

All LONG before people gave a **** about offseason football.

Yes?

And it's become a big media event to capitalize on making lots of $$$$$.

oubronco
02-26-2013, 12:46 PM
Looks like Arthur Brown ran a 4.62 forty. He's 6'.0" and 242lbs. To put this in perspective, Al Wilson ran a 4.56 forty and he was 6'0" and 239lbs...

We'll take that along with a big nasty DT please

Kaylore
02-26-2013, 01:48 PM
Yes?

And it's become a big media event to capitalize on making lots of $$$$$.

Just because it's a media hype-machine and the front office and agents use it as a cover to get a head start on free agency and rookie contracts, that doesn't mean the things they do at the combine have no value. They like seeing how these guys compete with each other and how they all perform in the same conditions.

I will say our front office seems to put a premium on how they played over their "underwear numbers."

jonny1
02-26-2013, 02:05 PM
The drills show their athletic abilities, how are they on their feet, can they turn their hips and run, explosiveness, power, and that SHOULD be put along with game tape and help you project what they will be able to do.

If you have two guys evenly matched by watching game tape, then at the combine, you find one guys is lighter on his feet or has more explosiveness, then that would tip your evaluation toward the better athlete.

Requiem
02-26-2013, 02:10 PM
Looks like Arthur Brown ran a 4.62 forty. He's 6'.0" and 242lbs. To put this in perspective, Al Wilson ran a 4.56 forty and he was 6'0" and 239lbs...

Brown didn't run with the LBers yesterday. Did he do it today for some reason? I don't think he can. His 4.62 is estimated time.

Bigdawg26
02-26-2013, 02:17 PM
We'll take that along with a big nasty DT please

I gave up on wanting the broncos to draft a DT in the first round. I've been waiting for that for the past 10 years, and it's never gonna happen.

TheReverend
02-26-2013, 02:19 PM
Yes?

And it's become a big media event to capitalize on making lots of $$$$$.

Breaking news: The NFL is a sport AND a business.

Tombstone RJ
02-26-2013, 03:44 PM
Brown didn't run with the LBers yesterday. Did he do it today for some reason? I don't think he can. His 4.62 is estimated time.

It's posted on this website but I don't know if it's an estimate or fact: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=82068&draftyear=2013&genpos=OLB

pricejj
02-26-2013, 03:48 PM
It's posted on this website but I don't know if it's an estimate or fact: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=82068&draftyear=2013&genpos=OLB

It's estimated. Once they run at the combine, their average time is posted in the combine section, same thing goes for Pro Day.

Bacchus
02-26-2013, 03:49 PM
The drills show their athletic abilities, how are they on their feet, can they turn their hips and run, explosiveness, power, and that SHOULD be put along with game tape and help you project what they will be able to do.

If you have two guys evenly matched by watching game tape, then at the combine, you find one guys is lighter on his feet or has more explosiveness, then that would tip your evaluation toward the better athlete.


That is not how it works. Look at the game tape of Dontrai Poe and tell me he is a top ten pick. Now he does look like the 6th pick of the draft at the combine.

Tombstone RJ
02-26-2013, 03:50 PM
It's estimated. Once they run at the combine, their average time is posted in the combine section, same thing goes for Pro Day.

Ok. I wonder where the other times come from, the school?

maven
02-26-2013, 11:03 PM
Breaking news: The NFL is a sport AND a business.

duh? What is the point you're trying to make?

jonny1
02-27-2013, 02:46 PM
That is not how it works. Look at the game tape of Dontrai Poe and tell me he is a top ten pick. Now he does look like the 6th pick of the draft at the combine.

What I meant is that is what a smart staff would do . . . .


Hilarious!

Smiling Assassin27
02-28-2013, 12:25 PM
Other than Al Wilson's 4.56 40, his numbers are pretty comparable to Te'o. Is .26 really a huge difference?

Teo Wilson
Vertical 33 33
Broad 113 116
3 cone 7.13 7.31
20Y Shuttle 4.27 4.25

pricejj
02-28-2013, 12:52 PM
Ok. I wonder where the other times come from, the school?

Not sure. The school probably supplies the the information when it is posted to the site 2 years prior to their expected draft.

Sometimes they lie too.

Bacchus
02-28-2013, 01:07 PM
Other than Al Wilson's 4.56 40, his numbers are pretty comparable to Te'o. Is .26 really a huge difference?

Teo Wilson
Vertical 33 33
Broad 113 116
3 cone 7.13 7.31
20Y Shuttle 4.27 4.25

The really big difference between the two is that you could see Al Wilson's girlfriends.

Bronco Yoda
02-28-2013, 01:23 PM
I'd like to see them do these drills in pads as well. Compare the times with and without pads. It would be real interesting to see how some of the track guys fare then.

btw, is the league still going through with forcing players to wear knee and thigh pads again? If so, this could get interesting.

Play2win
02-28-2013, 01:54 PM
I'd like to see them do these drills in pads as well. Compare the times with and without pads. It would be real interesting to see how some of the track guys fare then.

btw, is the league still going through with forcing players to wear knee and thigh pads again? If so, this could get interesting.

Right, if the point is to see who measures best at playing football, wouldn't you want to see which ones can seamlessly overcome obstacles such as full pads the best?

BroncoInferno
03-26-2013, 12:28 PM
Te'o runs unofficial 40 in 4.71 at pro day.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9100200/manti-teo-runs-40-unofficially-471-notre-dame-fighting-irish-pro-day

oubronco
03-26-2013, 12:38 PM
NFL | Manti Te'o runs at Pro Day (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/gnews.php?id=845890-nfl-manti-te'o-runs-at-pro-day)
Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:59:27 -0700

Notre Dame LB Manti Te'o (http://www.kffl.com/player/27646/nfl/manti-teo) registered an unofficial 4.75-second 40-yard dash at his Pro Day Tuesday, March 26. Another scout had him at 4.72 seconds.


Well which one was it?

Boltjolt
03-26-2013, 12:43 PM
Doesnt really matter. It isnt going to make a difference to scouts who already have their evaluations of him.

Lestat
03-26-2013, 03:19 PM
i would really like it if he fell to our 2nd pick.

Boltjolt
03-26-2013, 03:22 PM
Dont hold your breath. Will probably be a early to mid second at worst.

Lestat
03-26-2013, 04:21 PM
more than likely he's a mid first now. but if he did fall i'd love it.

Mogulseeker
03-26-2013, 04:25 PM
Other than Al Wilson's 4.56 40, his numbers are pretty comparable to Te'o. Is .26 really a huge difference?

Teo Wilson
Vertical 33 33
Broad 113 116
3 cone 7.13 7.31
20Y Shuttle 4.27 4.25

A quarter of a second is a pretty huge deal in the 40 yard dash.

that doesn't mean we shouldn't seriously look at T'eo.

schaaf
03-26-2013, 04:37 PM
It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if Teo fell to 28 and we pulled the trigger

Jekyll15Hyde
03-26-2013, 04:44 PM
4.8+ is slow man, in fact 4.8 is not just slow at the NFL level, its slow at the collegiate level, i played linebacker in highschool and ran under a 4.8 with pads on.

Its one thing to not be a 4.5 guy, its another thing to be unable to break 4.8. He's not that big, he doesn't look that strong, he's going to get mauled on the interior.

No. He is not 1st round material, I'm not sure i'd take him in the second either. He's not starter talent, and you shoot for starters in rounds 1 and 2. Period.

That is my question. I dont want in first round but if he just starts free falling to the point that he is there at the end of the 2nd, do we take him?

Broncoman13
03-26-2013, 04:57 PM
They play different positions but Terrell Suggs ran a 4.84 at his pro day which is considered slow for an edge rusher or Rush OLB... Game speed and instincts are phenomenal.

Jon Beason was a damn good Mike until injuries forced him off the field, he ran a 4.72 and is considerably smaller than Teo.

The problem I have with drafting Teo is he just wouldn't see the field enough. We play in the Nickel a lot. Who are you going to take off the field? Woodyard? Certainly not Von. So in the Nickel he probably doesn't see the field. We are better off going CB, S, DE or DT. Even TE or RB would make more sense.

boltaneer
03-26-2013, 07:05 PM
more than likely he's a mid first now. but if he did fall i'd love it.

Teo is likely not going to be seeing the field on third downs. Taking him in the mid first round is pretty high for a player like that.

orinjkrush
03-26-2013, 07:20 PM
Inside Linebacker: The CAV model for inside linebackers also did a poor job at predicting linebackers success, yet somehow it found 40-yard dash to be significant, as did the bizarre model predicting draft pick.

Pick = -35304.72*40-yard dash +9873.35*40-yard dash^2 -775.74*40-yard dash^3 +133435.6

It isn’t the friendliest looking model, but there it is with respective p-values of 0.024, 0.025, 0.025, and 0.023, and adjusted R^2 of 0.11, and a MSE of 60.48. Kevin said it best in his original post with, “These combine measurements simply do not do a good job of predicting performance for linebackers.” Effectively, the only thing that can be taken from this model is that there is much more that makes a successful linebacker than the combine is able to measure, though speed may have a small say in it.



http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/do-nfl-teams-think-the-combine-matters-defense/#more-4196

gyldenlove
03-26-2013, 07:37 PM
Inside Linebacker: The CAV model for inside linebackers also did a poor job at predicting linebackers success, yet somehow it found 40-yard dash to be significant, as did the bizarre model predicting draft pick.

Pick = -35304.72*40-yard dash +9873.35*40-yard dash^2 -775.74*40-yard dash^3 +133435.6

It isn’t the friendliest looking model, but there it is with respective p-values of 0.024, 0.025, 0.025, and 0.023, and adjusted R^2 of 0.11, and a MSE of 60.48. Kevin said it best in his original post with, “These combine measurements simply do not do a good job of predicting performance for linebackers.” Effectively, the only thing that can be taken from this model is that there is much more that makes a successful linebacker than the combine is able to measure, though speed may have a small say in it.



http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/do-nfl-teams-think-the-combine-matters-defense/#more-4196

The cav model prediction algorithm for ILB doesn't allow for high performers, a player setting a record for 40 yard time at the combine running a 4.20 would be expected to have an AV of 4.3, DJ Williams for example had an AV around 7 on average. An ILB who runs a 4.40 which would be an impressive time for a RB or WR would be expected to have an AV of 3 which is about the level of what Tony Carter and Mitch Unrein each did last season. For a LB who has the type of impact of Patrick Willis to fit the model he would have to run a 3.4 40 yard time, for reference a 3.4 40 yard time corresponds to a 9.28 second 100 meter sprint time, or if you ran it without having to start from stationary every 40 yards, about 8.4 seconds.