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MABroncoFan
02-20-2013, 10:31 AM
ProFootballTalk‏@ProFootballTalk

On PFT Live, Dwight Freeney said Peyton Manning already is recruiting Freeney to join the Broncos.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-20-2013, 10:43 AM
He honestly seems like the last person we need. We already have two guys who do what he does very well.

Archer81
02-20-2013, 10:48 AM
For the righr price, bring him in. You can never have too much passrush.


:Broncos:

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-20-2013, 10:49 AM
Passsssss. Saturday was courted by manning too.

DENVERDUI55
02-20-2013, 10:49 AM
He honestly seems like the last person we need. We already have two guys who do what he does very well.

Freeney would be a great insurance pickup if the price was right. Sure we have two guys that do what he does but what if one of them get injured? You can never have enough pass rushers.

NFLBRONCO
02-20-2013, 10:50 AM
When your pass rush goes MIA in playoffs no wonder Manning is doing this.

Tombstone RJ
02-20-2013, 10:51 AM
I wouldn't mind Freeny if the price is right. You can never have too many pass rushers. The way Miller is being used now in the 5-2, if you had Freeny on one side, Doom on the other and then Miller also providing pressure, you'd have scary speed off the edges. Put in a couple of big bodied, space eating DTs up front and I think the opposing offense will be on it's heels all day.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-20-2013, 10:52 AM
What's the right price? Seems to me that money should go to definite needs instead of back up insurance in case someone goes down

ludo21
02-20-2013, 10:56 AM
Ravens game we got soooo much pressure... who needs a pass rush specialist like this turd Freeney.

Stupid PMFM... just stupid

Tombstone RJ
02-20-2013, 10:56 AM
What's the right price? Seems to me that money should go to definite needs instead of back up insurance in case someone goes down

I guess that depends on Freeny, right? I'm guessing the Broncos aren't gonna break the bank for any FA.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-20-2013, 11:00 AM
Freeney would be a great insurance pickup if the price was right. Sure we have two guys that do what he does but what if one of them get injured? You can never have enough pass rushers.

Sure, but whats the "right price?" We have other holes to fill other than edge rusher

NFLBRONCO
02-20-2013, 11:15 AM
Sure, but whats the "right price?" We have other holes to fill other than edge rusher

Agree with this

But,

This offseason IMO FO has to go all in fix as many issues as they can and make a solid SB run next 2 yrs. We are against the clock time to be aggressive. If we can squeeze Freeney in fine if not oh well. I expect a Dawkins or Urlacher type signing. If not FO thinks we are close no need for such signings.

broncs2bowl
02-20-2013, 11:20 AM
Woodson and Freeney??

(Neil Smith)^2

winstoncup bronco
02-20-2013, 11:38 AM
How much could he really be looking for, at 33 years old, with 13 sacks in his last 30 games? I think he would be a great fit as a rotational guy/spot starter. It's unrealistic to think any other team is going to sign him to a big bucks deal and make him a cornerstone of a defense. I could see Freeney signing a fair, cap-friendly deal, to ride off into the sunset with Manning. At this stage, what else could he be looking for?

Requiem
02-20-2013, 11:46 AM
Dwight Freeney > Jason Hunter.

Boom.

Smiling Assassin27
02-20-2013, 11:54 AM
ProFootballTalk‏@ProFootballTalk

On PFT Live, Dwight Freeney said Peyton Manning already is recruiting Freeney to join the Broncos.


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Heyneck
02-20-2013, 12:07 PM
ProFootballTalk‏@ProFootballTalk

On PFT Live, Dwight Freeney said Peyton Manning already is recruiting Freeney to join the Broncos.

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Kaylore
02-20-2013, 12:14 PM
He honestly seems like the last person we need. We already have two guys who do what he did very well several year ago.

FYP

Pick Six
02-20-2013, 12:19 PM
Sure, but whats the "right price?" We have other holes to fill other than edge rusher

Vet minimum? OK. Now, I'm just dreaming...:rofl:

Kaylore
02-20-2013, 12:22 PM
Vet minimum? OK. Now, I'm just dreaming...:rofl:

Exactly. And he strikes me as the kind of player that doesn't just think he's worth more than he is, but probably honestly believes he's worth what he was three years ago.

DBroncos4life
02-20-2013, 12:28 PM
FYP

He would bring more pass rush then Ayers does from the bench.

Heyneck
02-20-2013, 12:36 PM
Are these the Shany years again? signing old has beens? Or are we building our team through the draft and low cost impact signings? Yeah... thought so!

pricejj
02-20-2013, 12:37 PM
Been barking on the mane for a few weeks saying the Broncos need another real 4-3 DE.

1. Replace Bannan with Wolfe
2. Get a real 4-3 DE
3. other stuff
4. Super Bowl

Boom.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-20-2013, 12:43 PM
Been barking on the mane for a few weeks saying the Broncos need another real 4-3 DE.

1. Replace Bannan with Wolfe
2. Get a real 4-3 DE
3. other stuff
4. Super Bowl

Boom.

We dont play a traditional 4-3...its a lot like a 3-4

SlyEli
02-20-2013, 12:44 PM
If it's really cheap, sure... I just doubt he has much left in the tank

OBF1
02-20-2013, 12:53 PM
What's the right price? Seems to me that money should go to definite needs instead of back up insurance in case someone goes down

It is funny you say this... Most people talking about the draft keep mentioning depth when discussing draft picks.

I for one would like to bring him in if he is not asking for the huge deal. 3 million a year sounds real good for us.... since DJ is making 2 times that.

Kaylore
02-20-2013, 12:58 PM
He would bring more pass rush then Ayers does from the bench.

Is that really an endorsement of Freeney? You could have four Ayers-level players for what Freeney would want and their production would be comparable. I think you might get 1 good season out of Freeney. He would have some advantages here as we wouldn't get double teamed as much, but I question if he'd hold up.

Bacchus
02-20-2013, 12:59 PM
It is funny you say this... Most people talking about the draft keep mentioning depth when discussing draft picks.

I for one would like to bring him in if he is not asking for the huge deal. 3 million a year sounds real good for us.... since DJ is making 2 times that.

DJ is not making that next year.

ludo21
02-20-2013, 01:02 PM
The question Denver needs to ask when signing these VET FA is are we going for the SB right now? (Yes obviously)
If yes, does the player help and does he break the bank? If no..
Then sign his ass and consider ourselves another step closer to killing opposing QB's and getting to the SB.

Heyneck
02-20-2013, 01:09 PM
It is funny you say this... Most people talking about the draft keep mentioning depth when discussing draft picks.

I for one would like to bring him in if he is not asking for the huge deal. 3 million a year sounds real good for us.... since DJ is making 2 times that.

In what world do you think Freeney is going to make 3mil a year?! Hahaha

Houshyamama
02-20-2013, 01:11 PM
Obviously, it all depends on what he thinks he's worth.

DBroncos4life
02-20-2013, 01:21 PM
Is that really an endorsement of Freeney? You could have four Ayers-level players for what Freeney would want and their production would be comparable. I think you might get 1 good season out of Freeney. He would have some advantages here as we wouldn't get double teamed as much, but I question if he'd hold up.

He came on strong at the end of last year. 3 sacks in his final three games. He was too old to be moved to OLB in a 3-4.

I don't see any reason to doubt he could get us no less the 5 sacks off the bench. When is the last time we had a pass rushing role player like that? Reggie Hayward in 2003?

Requiem
02-20-2013, 01:25 PM
Our pass rush pretty much ends at Miller and Dumervil unless you kick Wolfe inside on passing downs. There is nothing wrong with having a guy like Freeney on the team. It has to be a cap friendly deal. However, I wouldn't have any qualms about getting a pass rusher in the draft to be a situational player and perhaps eventual replacement for Dumervil down the road. We need more help in that regard, because clearly who we have didn't do jack against Baltimore.

SlyEli
02-20-2013, 01:27 PM
He came on strong at the end of last year. 3 sacks in his final three games. He was too old to be moved to OLB in a 3-4.

I don't see any reason to doubt he could get us no less the 5 sacks off the bench. When is the last time we had a pass rushing role player like that? Reggie Hayward in 2003?

seems to me we're paying 10 mil a year already for a pass rushing role player in Dumervil

Agamemnon
02-20-2013, 01:33 PM
When your pass rush goes MIA in playoffs no wonder Manning is doing this.

49ers only got two sacks against the Ravens o-line in the Super Bowl. Maybe they should pursue Freeney as well. ::)

DBroncos4life
02-20-2013, 01:35 PM
Our pass rush pretty much ends at Miller and Dumervil unless you kick Wolfe inside on passing downs. There is nothing wrong with having a guy like Freeney on the team. It has to be a cap friendly deal. However, I wouldn't have any qualms about getting a pass rusher in the draft to be a situational player and perhaps eventual replacement for Dumervil down the road. We need more help in that regard, because clearly who we have didn't do jack against Baltimore.

Exactly. Freeney has sick moves too. He could possibly teach Von and Doom a thing or two. :)

Requiem
02-20-2013, 01:38 PM
Exactly. Freeney has sick moves too. He could possibly teach Von and Doom a thing or two. :)

Not only that, but outside of Champ Bailey (who has said he isn't a vocal guy) how many true veteran leaders do we have on the defense? Of course, it would be great if we had some young players (like Miller) step up and eventually become that sort of guy, but I think he would be a good guy to have in the locker room as well for leadership qualities, tutelage, etc.

OBF1
02-20-2013, 01:41 PM
DJ is not making that next year.

Once again, you are wrong. DJ is on the books for the following as of this moment:

year base s.bonus misc bonus total cap hit

2013 6,000,000 250,000 1,832,500 8,082,500

OBF1
02-20-2013, 01:43 PM
In what world do you think Freeney is going to make 3mil a year?! Hahaha


And what makes you an expert on what he will take at this point in his career? I never said he would accept 3 million for 2013, I said that is what I feel he is worth to us based on what we paid DJ Williams for being a part time player...and not a very good one at that.

Bacchus
02-20-2013, 01:46 PM
Our pass rush pretty much ends at Miller and Dumervil unless you kick Wolfe inside on passing downs.

Woodyard had 5 or six sacks. Denver was in the top 3 in sacks in the NFL.

razorwire77
02-20-2013, 01:48 PM
When your pass rush goes MIA in playoffs no wonder Manning is doing this.

People are acting like our pass rush was teats all year. It was above average, to excellent, but didn't show up in the most important game of the year. I can't believe that even an older/diminished Freeney couldn't be useful as a rotational/situational pass rusher.

Requiem
02-20-2013, 01:49 PM
Woodyard had 5 or six sacks. Denver was in the top 3 in sacks in the NFL.

Thanks to Von and Elvis accounting for well over half of them.

Bacchus
02-20-2013, 02:07 PM
Thanks to Von and Elvis accounting for well over half of them.

But the pass rush DID NOT END with Von and Doom like was stated. It countinued with Wolfe, Woodyard, Harris, Mays, Adams, Ayers, Brooking, Moore, Trevethan and Vickerson.

Bannon had zero sacks. Get a DT that can get 5 sacks and push the middle on passing downs and Denver's total will grow even more.

Requiem
02-20-2013, 02:11 PM
But the pass rush DID NOT END with Von and Doom like was stated. It countinued with Wolfe, Woodyard, Harris, Mays, Adams, Ayers, Brooking, Moore, Trevethan and Vickerson.

We have two standout pass rushers and a good interior rusher on passing downs in Wolfe. That is it. I could give two ****s less if we had defensive backs getting a sack or two because of good situational play calling. That is my point. We can get better.

pricejj
02-20-2013, 02:27 PM
But the pass rush DID NOT END with Von and Doom like was stated. It countinued with Wolfe, Woodyard, Harris, Mays, Adams, Ayers, Brooking, Moore, Trevethan and Vickerson.

Bannon had zero sacks. Get a DT that can get 5 sacks and push the middle on passing downs and Denver's total will grow even more.

Bannan is a pretty strong dude, who helped shut down the middle of the field...making the Broncos Defense top 5 in rushing. Whoever else they get at DT is going to have to be really strong. Gonna be tough to find in a rookie.

I'm rewatching the playoff game now...and it's a quandary. Who are they going to be able to get who could actually improve the Defense?

Another pass-rushing DE, a penetrating DT, a faster MIKE, a better Safety, a shutdown CB?

Champ losing a step is definitely not what the doctor ordered.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-20-2013, 02:30 PM
After hearing what Freeney actually said, this might just be the NFL equivilant to "hey lets get together sometime"

Rother8
02-20-2013, 02:35 PM
Would not mind Freeney, Doom, and Von with Wolfe/Ayers at all. Just save some for Woodson. If Peyton wants him, it wouldn't hurt if he took a tiny paycut just to make sure.

Heyneck
02-20-2013, 03:56 PM
And what makes you an expert on what he will take at this point in his career? I never said he would accept 3 million for 2013, I said that is what I feel he is worth to us based on what we paid DJ Williams for being a part time player...and not a very good one at that.

Hey! No expert here dude, but I'll bet ya that he won't sign for anything less than 6 mil a year. And about DJ... yeah you are right. He has been hugely overpaid since signing his extension. We need to cut weight over there. No restructuring/he can play MLB crap. Just cut the cord!

DBroncos4life
02-20-2013, 04:11 PM
Hey! No expert here dude, but I'll bet ya that he won't sign for anything less than 6 mil a year. And about DJ... yeah you are right. He has been hugely overpaid since signing his extension. We need to cut weight over there. No restructuring/he can play MLB crap. Just cut the cord!

John Abraham was 33 coming off a 9.5 sack season last year and signed for less then 6 million over 3 years. I don't see Freeney getting anymore then that and the 2,250,000 signing bonus Abraham got.

Heyneck
02-20-2013, 04:15 PM
John Abraham was 33 coming off a 9.5 sack season last year and signed for less then 6 million over 3 years. I don't see Freeney getting anymore then that and the 2,250,000 signing bonus Abraham got.

Abraham while good/great, is no Freeney.

DBroncos4life
02-20-2013, 04:31 PM
Abraham while good/great, is no Freeney.

I would take Abraham over Freeney any Sunday. Over the last three years Freeney has put up 23.5 sacks, 8 FFs and 56 total tackles. Abraham 32.5 sacks, 12 FFs, and 110 total tackles. Look at the decline over the three years of Freeney vs the lack of decline of Abraham.

Heyneck
02-20-2013, 04:41 PM
I would take Abraham over Freeney any Sunday. Over the last three years Freeney has put up 23.5 sacks, 8 FFs and 56 total tackles. Abraham 32.5 sacks, 12 FFs, and 110 total tackles. Look at the decline over the three years of Freeney vs the lack of decline of Abraham.

Whatever dude. You would know he has played injured the last 2 years. Plus he switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4, which he played on a bum ankle from early in the season. I would take a healthy Freeny over a healthy Abraham any day of the week!!!

This is how it's been for Freeney since the Colts released him. It will only get more hectic because there's Freeney still has a great deal left in his body. A body of work that includes seven Pro Bowls, the 2000s All-Decade team, a Super Bowl title and the Colts' all-time sack mark.

Freeney instantly became one of the more coveted free agents this year. He could transform a mediocre franchise into a playoff contender and a playoff team into a Super one. He's still that good.

"I was shocked at being released," he said. "I was stunned. I had a good year. I came back from an [ankle] injury earlier than I was supposed to. We made the playoffs. I always envisioned myself retiring as a Colt, but the team didn't make an offer. I got a pat on the back and they wished me well."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21736722/now-a-free-agent-dwight-freeney-will-be-on-the-radar-of-many-teams

I bet you whatever you want that he will make more than 6mil per year.

DBroncos4life
02-20-2013, 04:59 PM
Whatever dude. You would know he has played injured the last 2 years. Plus he switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4, which he played on a bum ankle from early in the season. I would take a healthy Freeny over a healthy Abraham any day of the week!!!


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21736722/now-a-free-agent-dwight-freeney-will-be-on-the-radar-of-many-teams

I bet you whatever you want that he will make more than 6mil per year.

I do know he had played hurt. Abraham is way closer to a complete DE then Freeney ever was. Hell Abraham had 7 PD's last year alone. Freeney has 15 his whole career :giggle:

The Giants are on the list of teams that want him and they are over the cap, and Denver right now as we sit without cutting players can't really give him 6 million a year. So of the teams on that list that leaves the Vikings.

That 6 million dollars a year you keep talking about means nothing to me. He could sign for 3 years for 30 million dollars with only a 3 million dollar signing bonus. Even if they pay him 4 million the first season, 5 the second and 21 the last year you win even though he will be cut before reaching that third year.

PS even JA is rumored to be a cap casualty because of his base.

Houshyamama
02-20-2013, 05:01 PM
Abraham while good/great, is no Freeney.

Abraham has been better over the last few years.

SouthStndJunkie
02-20-2013, 05:30 PM
You can never have enough pass rushers.

I'm all for it, If the price is right and they have a role in mind for him.

Could turn out to be a Neil Smith move circa 1997.

Punisher
02-20-2013, 05:52 PM
You can never have enough pass rushers.

I'm all for it, If the price is right and they have a role in mind for him.

Could turn out to be a Neil Smith move circa 1997.

this

Rascal
02-20-2013, 08:16 PM
Not sure where he would fit to be honest.

Play2win
02-20-2013, 09:26 PM
If we did get Freeney, couldn't we move Miller all around the place. The other team wouldn't know which direction he was coming from. If Freeney could hold up, he and Doom could be edge rushers and who know where or which side Miller would line up.

I mean really, Von could come out of the huddle in the middle, then not until the last second would he go line up on his side for that play. That would **** bigtime with the opposing offense!!

BroncoMan4ever
02-20-2013, 09:32 PM
You can never have enough pass rushers.

I'm all for it, If the price is right and they have a role in mind for him.

Could turn out to be a Neil Smith move circa 1997.

this is truly interesting figuring out who will be our "big" put us over the top signing like Smith.

extralife
02-20-2013, 09:33 PM
there are many other places I'd rather spend Freeney money.

Bigdawg26
02-20-2013, 09:44 PM
there are money other places I'd rather spend Freeney money.

Yeah I wouldn't mind getting him but not a high price. I dunno how we could line up Freeney, Von, and Doom on the field at the same time. That line-up just screams RB draw or screen.

TonyR
02-21-2013, 07:32 AM
there are many other places I'd rather spend Freeney money.

^ Yup, this is the point most people aren't considering. We have considerably bigger needs on the interiors of both lines and MLB. You could also argue that DB depth (particularly S) and both WR and RB are as big or bigger needs. With limited cap dollars after whatever hit we take for Clady we aren't going to sign Freeney to big $ just because "you can never have too many pass rushers".

Requiem
02-21-2013, 07:43 AM
Nobody has advocated signing him to big money. At this point in his career, he can't really command that. FWIW -- a majority of our needs are likely going to be met in the draft on the cheap. I highly doubt Denver pursues any top-tier free agent, probably a couple of above-average guys. If we signed one legit starter, that would be about it.

TonyR
02-21-2013, 07:45 AM
Nobody has advocated signing him to big money...

I stand by my point, amended as follows:

..we aren't going to sign Freeney just because "you can never have too many pass rushers"...

Requiem
02-21-2013, 07:52 AM
I stand by my point, amended as follows:

The primary reason Freeney would be even considered here is because of his pass rushing skills. Outside of Von, Dumervil and Wolfe kicked in on passing downs, we don't have anyone capable of bringing it on a consistent basis. While we may have been in the top part of the league in sacks, performances were streaky at best and in some big games against good OL, our players were able to be neutralized.

The team also lacks veteran leadership on defense and I think Freeney helps in that regard. I think he would be a good mentor for Von and could even share some tips with Elvis, considering their similar disadvantages in height and shed some light on some good pass rush moves. There is more to it than "having enough pass rushers" -- but yeah, that is a primary factor in signing the guy.

I'm not surprised Manning is courting him, but it sounds like Freeney is destined to play for the G-Men. Says it has been a dream of his. That is fine with me. I can think of about 5-7 guys in the middle part of the draft who can come in and bring heat off the bench that are going to cost us less than a million a year. At some point in time, Denver is going to have to address the end position on the squad for the future.

JDR liked Ayers when he coached him at the Senior Bowl, but who knows how much longer he will be around past his rookie deal. We could sure do better than Jeremy Beal, Jason Hunter, etc. Here is to hoping Malik Jackson can turn into a good role player for the squad! The talent back-up talent at LDE/RDE can certainly be upgraded. That is what I am hoping for in this deep DL draft. :thumbs:

Heyneck
02-21-2013, 09:01 AM
The thing about Freeney is that with us he is going to be a situational pass rushegr. Our motto on defense is stop the run, then take the opposing QB head's off!! But Freeney sucks at stopping the run. So paying market value for someone that's 33 and going to come here and just rush the passer ain't going to do it.

Mediator12
02-21-2013, 09:08 AM
Freeney has NOT been the same player since the Colts SB run 4 years ago. He is in advanced decline as a player and does NOT have anything left in the tank. He is also terrible in the Locker room and not a teacher. I want Zero part of him. Zero even with League minimum. Trust me on this.

Requiem
02-21-2013, 09:26 AM
Freeney has NOT been the same player since the Colts SB run 4 years ago. He is in advanced decline as a player and does NOT have anything left in the tank. He is also terrible in the Locker room and not a teacher. I want Zero part of him. Zero even with League minimum. Trust me on this.

I had no idea he was not a good locker room guy. Thanks for sharing. You have changed my mind.

Tombstone RJ
02-21-2013, 11:04 AM
Freeney has NOT been the same player since the Colts SB run 4 years ago. He is in advanced decline as a player and does NOT have anything left in the tank. He is also terrible in the Locker room and not a teacher. I want Zero part of him. Zero even with League minimum. Trust me on this.

Aside from his physical decline, if what you are saying is true then it makes a lot of sense for the Colts to dump him.