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Rigs11
02-12-2013, 11:32 AM
This is why the GOP will never be viewed in a positive light, you have a bunch of loons in your corner.

Ted Nugent to attend State of the Union. Will that backfire?

Rock star/gun rights advocate Ted Nugent is attending Tuesday night’s State of the Union address, Rep. Steve Stockman (R) of Texas announced Monday.

Yes, yes he will. That’s certain. But beyond that we have to ask: Is this a good idea?

After all, Nugent will be sitting in the same room with children from Sandy Hook Elementary and other victims of gun violence. He’ll also be sitting in the same room with Mr. Obama. You’ll remember that last spring several members of the Secret Service visited Nugent for a chat after he said that if Obama were to be reelected “I will either be dead or in jail.” The agents came away convinced that Nugent was a bigger threat to grammar and decorum than to the president, but still.

Liberal pundit Greg Sargent goes further, saying that Nugent’s appearance only emphasizes The Crazy, the hard right aspect of the GOP that party leaders such as Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana have complained turns off moderate voters.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0212/Ted-Nugent-to-attend-State-of-the-Union.-Will-that-backfire

Blart
02-12-2013, 12:00 PM
If you think Ted Nugent is slightly off-kilter, you're a marxist.

Rigs11
02-12-2013, 12:51 PM
If you think Ted Nugent is slightly off-kilter, you're a marxist.

Nope, he's a patriotHilarious!

Tombstone RJ
02-12-2013, 01:40 PM
He's no crazier than any other entertainer with a political opinion. Most are extreme liberals, some are extreme conservatives, some are just extremely wierd. Most if not all entertainers should just not have the ability to voice an opinion on politics IMHO, or, the media should ignore them, which of course the media won't because the media is all about the media.

Rigs11
02-12-2013, 02:47 PM
He's no crazier than any other entertainer with a political opinion. Most are extreme liberals, some are extreme conservatives, some are just extremely wierd. Most if not all entertainers should just not have the ability to voice an opinion on politics IMHO, or, the media should ignore them, which of course the media won't because the media is all about the media.

the difference being is that entertainers who threaten the prez, confronted by the secret service, are not invited to attend the state of the union by dems. get it?

cutthemdown
02-12-2013, 03:01 PM
Yeah but people like Harry Belafonte are so middle of the road. Just watch Team America and you will get the point.

BroncoBeavis
02-12-2013, 03:06 PM
Yeah but people like Harry Belafonte are so middle of the road. Just watch Team America and you will get the point.

Don't forget about this guy either.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/06/entertainment-us-venezuela-election-penn-idUSBRE87503H20120806

Dr. Broncenstein
02-12-2013, 03:19 PM
Obama being consistent in exploiting victims of terrorism as props for his state of the union address. Oh wait.. when it occurs on a military base by an Al Queda infiltrator committing jihad it's "workplace violence" and not terrorism. My bad.

cutthemdown
02-12-2013, 05:04 PM
Obama being consistent in exploiting victims of terrorism as props for his state of the union address. Oh wait.. when it occurs on a military base by an Al Queda infiltrator committing jihad it's "workplace violence" and not terrorism. My bad.

These are things i wish President would use executive order on. Just order the army to reverse decision. But this President doesn't want to admit an act of terror in the domestic USA. It's really a shame.

Bacchus
02-14-2013, 06:55 AM
This is why the GOP will never be viewed in a positive light, you have a bunch of loons in your corner.

Ted Nugent to attend State of the Union. Will that backfire?

Rock star/gun rights advocate Ted Nugent is attending Tuesday night’s State of the Union address, Rep. Steve Stockman (R) of Texas announced Monday.

Yes, yes he will. That’s certain. But beyond that we have to ask: Is this a good idea?

After all, Nugent will be sitting in the same room with children from Sandy Hook Elementary and other victims of gun violence. He’ll also be sitting in the same room with Mr. Obama. You’ll remember that last spring several members of the Secret Service visited Nugent for a chat after he said that if Obama were to be reelected “I will either be dead or in jail.” The agents came away convinced that Nugent was a bigger threat to grammar and decorum than to the president, but still.

Liberal pundit Greg Sargent goes further, saying that Nugent’s appearance only emphasizes The Crazy, the hard right aspect of the GOP that party leaders such as Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana have complained turns off moderate voters.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0212/Ted-Nugent-to-attend-State-of-the-Union.-Will-that-backfire

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peacepipe
02-14-2013, 08:44 AM
Obama being consistent in exploiting victims of terrorism as props for his state of the union address. Oh wait.. when it occurs on a military base by an Al Queda infiltrator committing jihad it's "workplace violence" and not terrorism. My bad.
Yeah,let's classify everything as terrorism,dui,muggings,shoplifting,it's all terrorism. :~ohyah!:

orinjkrush
02-14-2013, 09:31 AM
Yeah,let's classify everything as terrorism,dui,muggings,shoplifting,it's all terrorism. :~ohyah!:

seriously?

yeah, 9/11 was only workplace violence too.

Tombstone RJ
02-14-2013, 03:09 PM
the difference being is that entertainers who threaten the prez, confronted by the secret service, are not invited to attend the state of the union by dems. get it?

Nope, don't get it at all. These are the same democrats who love BO, a guy who hung out with Bill Ayers. We all know Ted Nugent is a goof ball. I highly doubt he's dangerous. The man doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs of any kind, and never has, even when he was a mega star back in the 1970's.

but whatever, carry on.

errand
02-14-2013, 07:53 PM
I bet half those Sandy Hook families wish an armed Ted Nugent was on campus when that nut job starting shooting them.....that would have saved more lives than the gun free zone sign did.

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TonyR
02-15-2013, 08:43 AM
“Just as Americans in general do not have the habits of deference, so the conservative in America does not have them either. Ultimately he does not defer even to the country’s institutions. If one of these institutions, such as the Supreme Court, makes decisions he detests, he will defame that institution. He is as ready as is the common man to bypass the institutions he ought to defend … The America which Europe fears is the America of the Reaganites. The America once of the Scopes trial; the America of prohibition; the America of ignorant isolationism. The America then of ‘‘better dead than red’’; the America of McCarthyism; the America of the last fundamentalists of the 1950s. The America now of the new evangelicals; the America of the Moral Majority; the America of a now ignorant interventionism; the America which can see homosexuals as a conspiracy; feminists as a conspiracy; perhaps even women as a conspiracy.

The America of fear. For it is in fear that the ungoverned and the unfree are doomed to live. ... It is time that we reminded ourselves, and said aloud and more often, that it is from these people that nastiness comes. It is time that we pointed out to the neo-conservatives that democracy has never been subverted from the left but always from the right.” – Henry Fairlie, 1980.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2009/08/09/the-america-of-fear/

Tom H.
02-15-2013, 09:28 AM
I bet half those Sandy Hook families wish an armed Ted Nugent was on campus when that nut job starting shooting them.....that would have saved more lives than the gun free zone sign did.

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Grace Jones would've been awesome if only she had been there.

http://aaaaahhhhshark.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/grace-jones.jpg?w=300&h=176

Arkie
02-15-2013, 11:22 AM
I bet half those Sandy Hook families wish an armed Ted Nugent was on campus when that nut job starting shooting them.....that would have saved more lives than the gun free zone sign did.

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How did the killer manage to get past one of these signs? It plainly tells everyone, literate or not, that guns cannot enter the zone.

http://cdn.compliancesigns.com/media/Parking/PKE-16312_300.gif

Arkie
02-15-2013, 11:27 AM
You know, now that I think about it. I bet he had an accomplice. Somebody else went ahead of him to take down that sign.

errand
02-15-2013, 06:09 PM
How did the killer manage to get past one of these signs? It plainly tells everyone, literate or not, that guns cannot enter the zone.

http://cdn.compliancesigns.com/media/Parking/PKE-16312_300.gif

I know right?

I'm gonna guess he just didn't care......just like every criminal in the country doesn't

Pontius Pirate
02-17-2013, 07:40 PM
Nope, he's a patriotHilarious!

He's such a patriot that he sh*t his pants to avoid the Vietnam draft.

What's great is they seated Nugent next to a pro-gay advocate. You could see the pain on the Nuge's face.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2013/02/12/ted_nugent_sotu_photo_conservative_rocker_attends_ state_of_the_union_addresss/161604655.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg

Pontius Pirate
02-17-2013, 07:42 PM
I bet half those Sandy Hook families wish an armed Ted Nugent was on campus when that nut job starting shooting them.....that would have saved more lives than the gun free zone sign did.

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Like the armed guard that was on duty at Columbine.

Tombstone RJ
02-18-2013, 03:11 PM
Like the armed guard that was on duty at Columbine.


On April 20, 1999, Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years, was eating lunch when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold arrived at Columbine with their deadly arsenal and deadlier intentions.

Gardner said he got a call from a custodian that he was needed in the school's back parking lot. A few minutes later, he encountered Harris, and the two exchanged gunfire. The exchange with Harris lasted for an extended period of time, during which Harris' gun jammed.

The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before SWAT teams arrived, and before Harris and Klebold eventually killed themselves in the library.

Harris and Klebold also carried improvised explosive devices, some that detonated, others that didn't. One thing is certain — the armed resistance of Gardner and his backup bought time and saved lives.

There is no way of knowing how many lives were saved that day by an armed sheriff's deputy, and how many would have been slaughtered if nobody had been there with a gun at all

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Pontius Pirate
02-19-2013, 08:52 AM
There is no way of knowing how many lives were saved that day by an armed sheriff's deputy, and how many would have been slaughtered if nobody had been there with a gun at all

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Thank you for confirming that there is no proof that armed guards on school campus' prevent mass shootings.

Arkie
02-20-2013, 11:22 AM
Thank you for confirming that there is no proof that armed guards on school campus' prevent mass shootings.

It appears he prevented multiple deaths and injuries.

Crushaholic
02-20-2013, 11:34 AM
Thank you for confirming that there is no proof that armed guards on school campus' prevent mass shootings.

What do you think would have happened, if there WASN'T an armed guard? He was on lunch break, and he saved more lives from being taken...

Pontius Pirate
02-21-2013, 09:15 AM
What do you think would have happened, if there WASN'T an armed guard? He was on lunch break, and he saved more lives from being taken...

Having more guys with guns around so we can prevent issues with other guys with guns is a losing approach.

Arkie
02-21-2013, 10:20 AM
Having more guys with guns around so we can prevent issues with other guys with guns is a losing approach.

It was illegal for those killers to carry weapons onto the school campus. It was illegal for them to saw off the barrels and stocks. There was nothing we could do about their illegal actions before the massacre even started. Having an armed guard does not make the existing situation more dangerous. It will only help defend when a crazy outlaw is on the loose.

TonyR
02-21-2013, 10:50 AM
Chuck Hagel’s confirmation process has been the most depressing episode in the Republican foreign-policy debate since George W. Bush was president, not least because the debate is still constrained by terms set by John McCain and impersonators such as Lindsey Graham and Kelly Ayotte.

Hagel may be flawed, but Senate Republicans have largely subjected the would-be Obama defense secretary to a show trial for his modest dissents from the Bush administration as a GOP senator from Nebraska. Among many of Hagel’s former colleagues, the idea that Bush’s Iraq policy was anything less than an unqualified success somehow remains controversial.

Worse, none of the Tea Party freshmen took the opportunity to distinguish themselves from their colleagues in the hearings. This is to be expected of Marco Rubio, who has made his hawkish inclinations plain, but not the trio of senators endorsed by Ron Paul—Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and his son Rand Paul.

All three of these senators joined the vast majority of Republicans in delaying Hagel’s nomination. Lee has said he will ultimately vote against Hagel, calling his positions “weak” and “dangerous.” Cruz has been too demagogic in his opposition even for Graham and McCain.

The bigger concern is what this means for these senators’ broader foreign-policy views. In the 1990s, Republicans used some lowest-common-denominator issues—congressional declarations of war, no troops under foreign command—to appeal to less interventionist conservatives drawn to Pat Buchanan, while remaining conventionally but covertly hawkish. Read the rest here: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/does-the-war-party-have-a-peace-caucus-99/

TonyR
02-21-2013, 10:56 AM
Why No “Realist Caucus” in the GOP Has Emerged

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/why-no-realist-caucus-in-the-gop-has-emerged/

^ This is the thinking of true conservatives. Not the foaming at the mouth nonsense witnessed on Fox News, right wing radio, and from several delusional posters here in the WRP.

Rohirrim
02-21-2013, 12:25 PM
Why No “Realist Caucus” in the GOP Has Emerged

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/why-no-realist-caucus-in-the-gop-has-emerged/

^ This is the thinking of true conservatives. Not the foaming at the mouth nonsense witnessed on Fox News, right wing radio, and from several delusional posters here in the WRP.

More troubling than the lack of a realist caucus is the reality that ten years after the invasion of Iraq so little has changed in the way that national Republicans think and argue about foreign policy. Hard-liners are still employing the same despicable smear tactics that were used against conservative opponents of the war in 2002 and 2003, and they still face no penalty inside their party or the conservative movement for doing so. One would have thought that multiple defeats at the polls, the loss of credibility on foreign policy, and the humiliating failure of the most important policy initiatives of the last administration would shock Republicans into some measure of sanity and sober reflection. Nothing of the sort has happened, and even most of the ostensible insurgent Republicans feel obliged to endorse the party’s prevailing obsessions. The Hagel nomination was a small but important opportunity for Republicans to demonstrate that they were at least capable of improving on these issues, and at least at the level of party and movement leaders they have blown it completely.

That pretty much sums up the modern GOP - They simply jump from one "prevailing obsession" to the next. It's government by hysteria. I don't know if that's ever been tried before. Probably for good reason.

TonyR
02-26-2013, 09:54 AM
Conservative think tanks haven’t developed plausible alternative ideas on health policy because that isn’t what donors want them to do. For the last four years, the project has been finding anything to tear down Obamacare, not to find a replacement. … When people talk about the conservative echo chamber, they often focus on lowbrow outlets like Fox News, talk radio and Breitbart.com. Certainly these are often embarrassing and counterproductive for conservatism, most recently with the “Friends of Hamas” fiasco. But every movement contains stupid people reading stupid things. The special reason conservatives can’t think straight is that their supposedly smart institutions are inside the echo chamber, too. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-22/the-real-conservative-echo-chamber.html

Pontius Pirate
03-04-2013, 05:36 PM
It was illegal for those killers to carry weapons onto the school campus. It was illegal for them to saw off the barrels and stocks. There was nothing we could do about their illegal actions before the massacre even started. Having an armed guard does not make the existing situation more dangerous. It will only help defend when a crazy outlaw is on the loose.

If we were living in the wild west, then your post would make sense. But because we're trying to usher in a civilized society, I choose to not be content with a future where "guns everywhere" is our default answer to violence.

Arkie
03-04-2013, 06:16 PM
I'm not content in gathering our kids into guns-free-for-the-good-guys zones without at least one good guy with a gun to protect them. It's such an easy target for any crazy person that wants to send a message to the world.