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mhgaffney
02-09-2013, 12:27 PM
9/11 Researcher Found Dead: Wrote Book Implicating Bush Administration In The 9/11 Attacks

Phillip Marshall was a commercial pilot who flew all of the Boeing airliners, including the 757 and 767.

He authored a book False Flag 9/11 in which he explained that the official story about 9/11 could not possibly be correct. Marshall stated emphatically that amateur pilots could not possibly have flown Boeing 767s into the World Trade Center -- or a Being 757 into the Pentagon.

He claimed that the terrorists would have needed months of advanced training to have done the deed.

Marshall was also a former CIA pilot from the time of Iran-Contra.

Days ago, Marshall and his two children were found dead from gunshot wounds. For more go to
http://beforeitsnews.com/9-11-and-ground-zero/2013/02/911-researcher-found-dead-wrote-book-implicating-bush-administration-in-the-911-attacks-2439534.html?utm_content=awesm-publisher&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu %3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fawe.sm%252FfDlrr%26h%3DPAQFW sDYt%26s%3D1&utm_medium=facebook-share&utm_campaign&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fawe.sm%2FfDlrr

W*GS
02-09-2013, 12:30 PM
He killed his kids and then himself.

Scumbag murderer.

No wonder you adore him, gaffe.

PS - How's that calculation going? Or have you given up because you're hopelessly lost and clueless?

mhgaffney
02-09-2013, 12:31 PM
Marshall's 2008 book implicated the Bush administration in 9/11.

His book offered many insights found no where else.

http://www.amazon.com/False-Flag-911-Created-Post-911/dp/1439202648/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360441780&sr=1-1&keywords=false+flag+911

mhgaffney
02-09-2013, 12:34 PM
W*gs claims to know that Marshall killed his kids, then himself? Oh by the way - he also killed his dog.

How can W*gs know this? Does he have a direct line to God?

Oh I forgot. W*gs does not even believe in God!

W*GS
02-09-2013, 12:37 PM
W*gs claims to know that Marshall killed his kids, then himself? Oh by the way - he also killed his dog.

How can W*gs know this? Does he have a direct line to God?

Oh I forgot. W*gs does not even believe in God!

How do you know he was murdered by the Dark Forces?

The dude was unhinged - that he would kill his kids and himself (and the dog) isn't surprising. He had serious mental issues, obviously.

His daughter tweeted:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/07/article-2275258-176A8CD8000005DC-461_634x286.jpg

The dude was ****ed in the head. Kinda like you.

mhgaffney
02-09-2013, 03:54 PM
There is no evidence that Marshall was "unhinged" as W*gs claims. He had just published his second 9/11 book in which he continued to make the case for a covert Saudi connection.

BTW, two former US senators have made similar claims -- Senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey.

MHG

Phillip Marshall Wrote About a Conspiracy; Was He the Victim of One?

by Editor on February 6, 2013 in News
A Santa Barbara View Exclusive Report

http://www.santabarbaraview.com/phillip-marshall-wrote-about-a-conspiracy-was-he-victim-of-one4254252/

Former airline pilot Phillip (alternately, “Philip”) Marshall spent a great deal of time around Santa Barbara last year preparing for the release of his controversial 9/11 conspiracy book “The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror.”

During the editing and pre-marketing process of Marshall’s book, he expressed some degree of paranoia because the nonfiction work accused the George W. Bush administration of being in cahoots with the Saudi intelligence community in training the hijackers who died in the planes used in the attacks.

“Think about this,” Marshall said last year in a written statement, “The official version about some ghost (Osama bin Laden) in some cave on the other side of the world defeating our entire military establishment on U.S. soil is absolutely preposterous.”

Marshall went on to say: “The true reason the attack was successful is because of an inside military stand-down and a coordinated training operation that prepared the hijackers to fly heavy commercial airliners. We have dozens of FBI documents to prove that this flight training was conducted California, Florida and Arizona in the 18 months leading up to the attack.”

The veteran pilot confided that he was concerned about his 10-year, independent 9/11 study and most recent book since they pointed to the Saudis and the Bush intelligence community as the executioners of the attack that defeated all U.S. military defenses on Sept. 11, 2001. Marshall said he knew his book might cause some people to take issue with him.


Slaying victims Alex and Macaila Marshall with their father, Phillip Marshall.
However, could last weekend’s killings in the remote, gated community of Forest Meadows outside the tiny town of Murphys be another conspiracy? Although sheriff’s investigators don’t know the motive, they reported that the killings as a double murder and suicide. Marshall was found in his home’s doorway in a pool of blood with a 9mm Glock pistol that he had just showed to a friend two weeks ago.

The Calaveras County coroner is having a toxicology report performed on the blood of Marshall and his children to determine if any drugs are present in their blood streams, which is standard procedure in cases like this. Reports from the county sheriff indicate the children were sleeping when shot. The coroner said Macaila Marshall, 14, and Alex Marshall, 17, were lying 6 feet from each other on separate parts of a large U-shaped sectional couch.

When asked whether it was possible the children were drugged, the coroner said he couldn’t say yet. “That’s a good question,” he said in published reports. “We will be checking tox on everybody. It did appear as though they were sleeping.” The toxicology results and pathologist’s report could be completed within three weeks.

“Cause of death is all going to be single gunshot wound to the head for everybody,” the coroner said. The family dog also was found dead from a gunshot in a bedroom.

Calaveras County officials said conspiracy theories about the deaths are growing on online comment forums below stories about the incident. Many of these stem from Marshall’s involvement with the CIA as a contract pilot in the 1980s and the books he wrote about 9/11.

The children’s mother, Sean Marshall, was traveling on business in Turkey at the time of the killings. The coroner said she is expected to arrive in the area soon to make funeral arrangements.

2008 crime reports indicate friction between Marshall and his spouse. Phillip Marshall was jailed briefly on suspicion of slapping Sean Marshall’s sister, but he was not prosecuted. Last year, Marshall told one of his book editors that he still was disputing custody of his children with his ex-wife, but gladly attended his son’s football games and was quite close with daughter.

However, at that time Marshall was heavily involved with publishing what became his last book.

“After an exhaustive 10-year study of this lethal attack that used Boeing airliners filled with passengers and fellow crew members as guided missiles, I am 100 percent convinced that a covert team of Saudi intelligence agents was the source of logistical, financial and tactical resources that directed essential flight training to the 9/11 hijackers for 18 months before the attack,” Marshall wrote. “This conclusion was determined six years ago and all subsequent evidence has only served to confirm this conclusion.”

On March 1, two former U.S. senators, who headed separate 9/11 federal investigations, also raised the possibility of Saudi involvement in the attacks that killed 3,000 people and spurred the global War on Terror. In sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, former senators Bob Graham and Bob Kerrey, who saw top-secret information on the Saudis’ activities, said they believe that the Saudi government played a direct role in the terrorist attacks.

“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of 9/11 victims and others. Graham headed a 2002 joint congressional inquiry into the attacks and has claimed he was muzzled into silence about his committee’s findings in 2002 by former Vice President Dick Cheney and other top members of the Bush intelligence community.

In his own sworn affidavit, Kerrey said “significant questions remain unanswered” about the role of Saudi institutions. “Evidence relating to the plausible involvement of possible Saudi government agents in the (9/11) attacks has never been fully pursued,” Kerrey said in a March 1, 2012, New York Times article.

The affidavits, which were filed Feb. 24, are part of a multi-billion-dollar lawsuit going through federal courts since 2002. An appellate court, reversing an earlier decision, said in November that foreign nations were not immune to lawsuits under certain terrorism claims, clearing the way for parts of the Saudi case to be reheard in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.

Last year, Marshall spoke on the national radio broadcast AM Coast to Coast. He said the entire 9/11 episode was “a political stunt to favor the American shadow government that is currently doing business as the U.S. intelligence community.”

nyuk nyuk
02-10-2013, 11:07 AM
Oh ****, is MHGAFFNEY next!

The power structure shakes every day he still walks this earth and ****.

nyuk nyuk
02-10-2013, 11:08 AM
There is no evidence that Marshall was "unhinged" as W*gs claims.

Killing your kids is more than enough evidence. Why do we have to point this out?

nyuk nyuk
02-10-2013, 11:10 AM
Marshall's 2008 book implicated the Bush administration in 9/11.

His book offered many insights found no where else.

http://www.amazon.com/False-Flag-911-Created-Post-911/dp/1439202648/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360441780&sr=1-1&keywords=false+flag+911

So basically they killed him to hide evidence in a book that was already in circulation and which continues to be so.

GOOD JOB CIA.

Or just maybe he was broke/going broke and decided to peddle such bullcrap to make some quick money from gullible idiots?

Some people deal drugs, some people deal bullcrap.

mhgaffney
02-10-2013, 01:42 PM
We know, it's fact not mhgaffney's opinion, that during the Bush-Cheney years the US sent hit teams around the world to kill people.

We also know that Obama insists on the right to execute American citizens that he deems to be a threat.

Unfortunately, we may never know what happened in the case of Phillip Marshall.

W*GS
02-10-2013, 01:45 PM
You've given up on trying to explain Venus, I see.

DenverBrit
02-10-2013, 01:56 PM
We know, it's fact not mhgaffney's opinion, that during the Bush-Cheney years the US sent hit teams around the world to kill people.

We also know that Obama insists on the right to execute American citizens that he deems to be a threat.

Unfortunately, we may never know what happened in the case of Phillip Marshall.

Hilarious! Still talking in the third person??

Your paranoia should leave you concerned, you had better lock yourself in the bathroom again.

But then again, no one has read or taken seriously anything you've written.

nyuk nyuk
02-10-2013, 03:41 PM
FOLKS! mhgaffney's life is in direct danger, here. We must immediately drop everything and form a protective Ring of Freedom around him before the CIA gets him for that book he published!

underrated29
02-10-2013, 04:40 PM
So they killed his family but not his daughter? That makes sense!


Ps- total bull shiat that they could not fly those jets. As someone who went to school to become an airline pilot I can tell you that if they had a bit of training it would not be hard to fly them into a building.

* also didn't the plane that was supposed to hit the pentagon and was taken over by the passengers fly and try to land in a wooded area?

You conspiracy theorists really are pretty stupid on the simple things.

cutthemdown
02-11-2013, 09:17 AM
So they killed his family but not his daughter? That makes sense!


Ps- total bull shiat that they could not fly those jets. As someone who went to school to become an airline pilot I can tell you that if they had a bit of training it would not be hard to fly them into a building.

* also didn't the plane that was supposed to hit the pentagon and was taken over by the passengers fly and try to land in a wooded area?

You conspiracy theorists really are pretty stupid on the simple things.

3 planes. One into WTC, one into the Pentagon, one that i guess was for the white house crashed when passengers rushed the cockpit. not sure if you can call that trying to land though.

Rohirrim
02-11-2013, 09:30 AM
Contrary to what you think about the CIA, they would not whack two kids and a dog.

underrated29
02-11-2013, 09:43 AM
3 planes. One into WTC, one into the Pentagon, one that i guess was for the white house crashed when passengers rushed the cockpit. not sure if you can call that trying to land though.



Ah yes, the White House one. I had heard they rushed the cockpit and some dude called his wife from his cell telling her they were going to try and land....who knows maybe they just rushed it and crashed....I never really looked that far into it.

mhgaffney
02-11-2013, 10:40 AM
Contrary to what you think about the CIA, they would not whack two kids and a dog.

I tend to agree.

Wouldn't be surprised though if the Saudis did this one.

Of course, we will probably never know.

Obushma
02-11-2013, 12:46 PM
Contrary to what you think about the CIA, they would not whack two kids and a dog.

Why not? FBI did it at Ruby Ridge.

Rohirrim
02-11-2013, 01:04 PM
Why not? FBI did it at Ruby Ridge.

Elephants and mice are both mammals. Ergo, pretty much identical.

Obushma
02-11-2013, 01:08 PM
Elephants and mice are both mammals. Ergo, pretty much identical.

That's one of the stupidest points you've ever tried to make to me, right up there with how you supported the bailouts, now you're bitching about them.

The CIA is involved in more clandestine operations then the FBI.

underrated29
02-11-2013, 03:12 PM
Ihavealight. I meant I haven't looked into which building or plane was supposed to hit where.

Getting cell service in a plane is not hard. How do you think the pilots gets their information? How about the wifi on planes? Or the tv? Or even the phones they have on the airplanes (which very few planes have left after they've been modernized).

I invite you to take a joyride, practice flight in a Cessna sometime and see if you can text and call at 10,000 ft.

So back to the point, with a little training, one can fly VFR on a jumbo jet and crash it into a building or whatever else they choose.

cutthemdown
02-11-2013, 04:08 PM
Contrary to what you think about the CIA, they would not whack two kids and a dog.

If the dog was barking and an agent needed it to stop you don't think he/she would kill a dog, or even a child in order to carry out the mission or survive?

The CIA kills kids all the time with drone strikes.

Rohirrim
02-11-2013, 04:19 PM
That's one of the stupidest points you've ever tried to make to me, right up there with how you supported the bailouts, now you're b****ing about them.

The CIA is involved in more clandestine operations then the FBI.

Since the only reason you come here is to lose your ****ing mind in some kind of hostile rant or another, usually over things you've misperceived, misread, or can't comprehend in the first place, who really gives a ****? ;D

Rohirrim
02-11-2013, 04:24 PM
If the dog was barking and an agent needed it to stop you don't think he/she would kill a dog, or even a child in order to carry out the mission or survive?

The CIA kills kids all the time with drone strikes.

This thread is full of false equivalencies. The CIA doesn't have any reason to kill any 911 truther. The entire cult has been discredited. Why bother?

BroncoBuff
02-11-2013, 07:35 PM
For whatever it's worth, I caught up with an old TV news friend over the holidays, he's been at WTAE in Pittsburgh for a long time. He was at Shanksville midday on 9/11, one of the very first on the scene. He says no way, absolutely no way did a plane crash at that site. Thing is, he's not the type to believe in conspiracies, he's not even a truther. Just says no way, wasn't a plane there.

The Lone Bolt
02-11-2013, 08:50 PM
For whatever it's worth, I caught up with an old TV news friend over the holidays, he's been at WTAE in Pittsburgh for a long time. He was at Shanksville midday on 9/11, one of the very first on the scene. He says no way, absolutely no way did a plane crash at that site. Thing is, he's not the type to believe in conspiracies, he's not even a truther. Just says no way, wasn't a plane there.

Yes! It was a UFO! I've been saying it all along! :crazy:

DenverBrit
02-11-2013, 08:54 PM
....or. :)

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Obushma
02-12-2013, 04:21 AM
You dumb dumb ****ing geriatric Roh, you just said:

Contrary to what you think about the CIA, they would not whack two kids and a dog.

Then, you come back with this gem:

This thread is full of false equivalencies. The CIA doesn't have any reason to kill any 911 truther. The entire cult has been discredited. Why bother?

You're a moron, dont know your head from your asshole.

Rohirrim
02-12-2013, 08:28 AM
You dumb dumb ****ing geriatric Roh, you just said:



Then, you come back with this gem:



You're a moron, dont know your head from your a-hole.

Like I said, the only reason you come here is to launch hostile, out-of-control, borderline psycho rants from the Libertarian cultist perspective. I just hope you're posting from an institution, because that's where you belong.

Obushma
02-12-2013, 10:09 AM
Like I said, the only reason you come here is to launch hostile, out-of-control, borderline psycho rants from the Libertarian cultist perspective. I just hope you're posting from an institution, because that's where you belong.

You talk out of both sides of your face all over this forum, like most of the socialists/marxists on this board. I can happily post multiple examples if you like?

You're very similar to W*gs, where he has been shown to be both a socialist and a neo-con, you tend to filp flop over issues. Such as the bailout, where the **** did you think all that money was going? You were for it now your against it? Or in 08 when you said Ron Paul was a good guy, now you just bash. Oh noes, the draconian cuts that will be forced upon me so future generations have a dollar worth value....Well guess what, we're in a **** hole now cause you bought the bull****, you drank the government koolaid just like the Bush boys you and LABF used to bash around here. Only difference, you want to put this country in more debt then they did, that seems to be working well.

I'm sure you honestly don't know much about Keynesian theory, I'm positive you don't know **** about Austrian theory.

I'm sorry it upsets you when I call out your bull****, the lack of political knowledge, and throw in a dig here and there. You tend to be an asshole, I can be a bigger asshole, sorry it hurts your feelings.

Obushma
02-12-2013, 10:17 AM
...and BTW, I have no clue if the CIA was involved or not, just wanted to call out your bull**** Roh.

Requiem
02-12-2013, 11:06 AM
Like I said, the only reason you come here is to launch hostile, out-of-control, borderline psycho rants from the Libertarian cultist perspective. I just hope you're posting from an institution, because that's where you belong.

+1. ^5

W*GS
02-12-2013, 12:06 PM
You're very similar to W*gs, where he has been shown to be both a socialist and a neo-con, you tend to filp flop over issues.

I change my views when the facts dictate that I do so.

What do you do?

**** the facts and stick to your opinions regardless?

Blart
02-12-2013, 12:20 PM
^^ I'm curious about that too. What would make a conspiracy theorist change their views? How do you determine which conspiracy is the correct one? Is there a major event in recent history that wasn't a conspiracy?

Rohirrim
02-12-2013, 12:25 PM
You talk out of both sides of your face all over this forum, like most of the socialists/marxists on this board. I can happily post multiple examples if you like?

You're very similar to W*gs, where he has been shown to be both a socialist and a neo-con, you tend to filp flop over issues. Such as the bailout, where the **** did you think all that money was going? You were for it now your against it? Or in 08 when you said Ron Paul was a good guy, now you just bash. Oh noes, the draconian cuts that will be forced upon me so future generations have a dollar worth value....Well guess what, we're in a **** hole now cause you bought the bull****, you drank the government koolaid just like the Bush boys you and LABF used to bash around here. Only difference, you want to put this country in more debt then they did, that seems to be working well.

I'm sure you honestly don't know much about Keynesian theory, I'm positive you don't know **** about Austrian theory.

I'm sorry it upsets you when I call out your bull****, the lack of political knowledge, and throw in a dig here and there. You tend to be an a-hole, I can be a bigger a-hole, sorry it hurts your feelings.

I have no doubt that a rigid ideologue and dogmatist like you does indeed see open discussion in this light. My goal is to live by the Socratic method: Gnothi Seauton. Know yourself before you try to understand the obscure things of the world. I hate to break it to you, but there is no one economic model that fits all exigencies. You must use what is right as the times demand. Ideological purity is the pursuit of fools because chaos is part of the universal model (and nobody includes chaos in their utopias).

America has traded in a community based economic paradigm for one that is individualistic and greed based. The results speak for themselves (and always have, every time a society goes there). Since I'm not concerned with holding up an ideology, I have nothing to defend. Obviously, you do. Your ideological ship is on the rocks and you can only panic and scream. I have one piece of advice: Abandon ship!

mhgaffney
02-12-2013, 05:57 PM
If the dog was barking and an agent needed it to stop you don't think he/she would kill a dog, or even a child in order to carry out the mission or survive?

The CIA kills kids all the time with drone strikes.

Sure -- outside the US.

But here -- in the US where they cannot legally operate -- they use freelancers or mobsters.

mhgaffney
02-12-2013, 06:00 PM
For whatever it's worth, I caught up with an old TV news friend over the holidays, he's been at WTAE in Pittsburgh for a long time. He was at Shanksville midday on 9/11, one of the very first on the scene. He says no way, absolutely no way did a plane crash at that site. Thing is, he's not the type to believe in conspiracies, he's not even a truther. Just says no way, wasn't a plane there.

I went to Shanksville and interviewed a farmer who lives a quarter mile from the crash site. His name is Neville Lambert.

He was shoveling coal in his yard that morning. He heard a roar -- looked up -- and saw UAL 93 crash --

He was still traumatized by the experience 10 years later.

MHG

mhgaffney
02-12-2013, 06:02 PM
^^ I'm curious about that too. What would make a conspiracy theorist change their views? How do you determine which conspiracy is the correct one? Is there a major event in recent history that wasn't a conspiracy?

You study. You read. You think. You dig for the truth.

You don't stop until you find it.

mhgaffney
02-20-2013, 04:30 PM
Wayne Madsen: 9/11 author was killed in black ops hit

Former NSA officer Wayne Madsen spent a week sniffing around the site of the reportedly "suicided" pilot Phillip Marshall, and filed this report.

Folks, this is a no brainer. If Marshall did the deed, why did his computer mysteriously vanish?

BTW, Madsen is author of a new book about Obama.
MHG

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/02/20/100-certain-911-author-was-killed-in-black-ops-hit/

mhgaffney
02-20-2013, 04:38 PM
While you are at it -- check out Madsen's new book about Obama:
THE MANUFACTURING OF A PRESIDENT
http://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-President-Insertion-Barack-Obama/dp/1478260645/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361407010&sr=1-1&keywords=Wayne+Madsen

W*GS
02-20-2013, 06:20 PM
How did Hale-Bopp survive the energy put it into it due to its gain in mass, gaffe?

Where's your math?

If you've done it, please point me to it.

Thanks!

mhgaffney
02-21-2013, 11:01 AM
Kevin Barrett interviews Wayne Madsen about the murder of former CIA pilot Phillip Marshall:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/57581

Also -- here is another Kevin Barrett interview with Madsen. In this one Madsen talks about his new book, THE MANUFACTURING OF A PRESIDENT. Fast forward to the second hour. In the first hour MhGaffney talks about BLACK 9/11.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-070212.mp3

mhgaffney
02-21-2013, 11:02 AM
Moderator -- where are you?

Please do your job and tell the local spammer W*Gs to stay on message -- or get the F*** out of here.

Just do your job, please.

mhgaffney
02-21-2013, 11:17 AM
Marshall's new book THE BIG BAMBOOZLE is an overnight best seller.

Here is the book description at Amazon:

Publication Date: February 9, 2012

From the perspective of a Boeing 767 captain and former "special activities" contract pilot, Philip Marshall straps the reader into the cockpits of hijacked commercial airliners to tell the story of the most sophisticated terrorist attack in history.

Based on a comprehensive ten-year study into the murders of his fellow pilots on 9/11, he explains how hijackers, novice pilots at the controls of massive guided missiles, were able to beat United States Air Force fighters to iconic targets with advanced maneuvering, daring speeds and a kamikaze finish. But, as Marshall explains, the tactical plan was so precise that it rules out car-bombers and shoe-bombers known as al Qaeda, KSM and Osama bin Laden. So then, who was it? That's what you are about learn.

Backed by official NTSB, FAA and black box recordings, Marshall finds the most capable and most documented group of conspirators buried deep within a Congressional Inquiry's report and retraces their work in gripping detail. Fasten your seatbelt--- the sad truth is that all of the solid evidence points to a dark collaboration between members of the Bush Administration and a covert group of Saudi government officials.

This is a game changer that will finally set the record straight on the most horrific crime in US history. This book is a compilation of official reports that disputes the Bush Administration, the Bush Intelligence Community and the American media's account of the 9/11 attack. United States Senator Bob Graham's Congressional Joint Inquiry in 2002 revealed that Saudi Arabian Intelligence agents met the 9/11 hijackers in the Los Angeles in January of 2000, harbored them and led them to 18 months of flight training in Florida and Arizona.

Marshall follows reports from FBI field agents that warned George W. Bush's Administration that a "cadre of individuals of investigative interest were engaged in flight training" in the Arizona desert in the spring of 2001. Marshall identifies three top federal investigators who complained that Dick Cheney obstructed justice by refusing access to suspects who supposedly confessed to the greatest crime in U.S. history.

None of the federal investigators were ever allowed to verify the confession of Khalid Sheik Mohammed who had been water boarded over 180 times at Guantanamo detention facility. The book disputes the video and media confession of Osama bin Laden and points out that none of the accusations by the Bush Administration could be proved.

Marshall asserts that the Saudi government was the true executioners of the 9/11 attack and framed their enemies while CIA special operations set up an elaborate decoy named Osama bin Laden to divert attention away from the Saudi operation.

He follows the hijackers to flight training airports and finds that Saudi agents led the hijackers to the Arizona desert where Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 airliners were parked at a secluded CIA operated airport. The operators of the CIA airport were traced to suspicious insider stock trades on two airlines, United Airlines and American Airlines, the only two airlines used in the 9/11 attack.

Marshall breaks down the tactical flight plan that was used by the hijackers and chronicles the actions of Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Saudi Arabian Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Dick Cheney and George W. Bsuh to learn that their account of the attack was severely flawed. Three top investigators wrote that Dick Cheney had obstructed the investigation and redacted the involvement of the Saudi government agents who were employed in California by the Saudi Civil Aviation authority.

The Congressional Inquiry reported that the Saudi agents had "seemingly unlimited funding from Saudi Arabia" and had traced the hijacker financial support to Prince Bandar through a Riggs Bank account. Finally Marshall chronicles the media trial that allowed Bush and Cheney to derail American Justice by trying the 9/11 case with media propaganda and away from the American federal court system.


Here is the author's description posted at Amazon:


Philip Marshall, a veteran airline captain and former government "special activities" contract pilot, has authored three books on Top Secret America, a group presently conducting business as the United States Intelligence Community.

Beginning with his role in the 1980s as a Learjet captain first as part of a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) sting on Pablo Escobar, and later in the covert arming of the Nicaraguan Contras, Marshall has studied and written 30-years worth of covert government special activities and the revolving door of Wall Street tricksters, media moguls, and their well funded politicians.

Marshall is the leading aviation expert on the September 11th attack, as well as a masterful storyteller. The Big Bamboozle (2012) is his second work to focus on the flight training and preparation of 9/11 hijackers' after False Flag 911 was published in 2008. His first book, Lakefront Airport (2003) was a novel based on his experience as a government contract pilot during the Iran-Contra operation.

Philip Marshall began his 20-year career as an airline pilot in 1985, flying first with Eastern Airlines and then with United. He holds captain ratings on the Boeing 727, 737, 747, 757 and 767. Born and raised in New Orleans, Marshall currently resides in California.

underrated29
02-21-2013, 11:28 AM
Still, with a bit of training anyone can fly those jets. Not a bunch of top secret training at hidden airbases in arizona.

mhgaffney
02-21-2013, 11:38 AM
Still, with a bit of training anyone can fly those jets. Not a bunch of top secret training at hidden airbases in arizona.

Oh really? Who told you this?

Here are photos of the cockpit of a 757 - and a 767.

underrated29
02-21-2013, 02:01 PM
Oh really? Who told you this?

Here are photos of the cockpit of a 757 - and a 767.



1. I went to school to become a pilot- ended up starting my own business instead, I know what it takes to fly those jets. Yes, I have logged many flight hours in actual planes and over 200 hours in sims on the DC-10- Boeing 747, A stretch320, and B767.

2. Three of my employees have direct links to UA and Delta? Pilots. One is married to a 747-400 captain and checkpoint. Anothers father is the Co pilot on the 747 and the last one is 777 pilot or co pilot (im not sure-) I think he is with delta

3. I had asked the two of them a week or two ago when this thread first surfaced how hard it would be for someone like myself (with just a bit of training) to take a mid flight jet and fly it into the building. I am not going to tell you what they said but take a guess regarding my stance on the subject.

mhgaffney
02-21-2013, 02:11 PM
1. I went to school to become a pilot- ended up starting my own business instead, I know what it takes to fly those jets. Yes, I have logged many flight hours in actual planes and over 200 hours in sims on the DC-10- Boeing 747, A stretch320, and B767.

2. Three of my employees have direct links to UA and Delta? Pilots. One is married to a 747-400 captain and checkpoint. Anothers father is the Co pilot on the 747 and the last one is 777 pilot or co pilot (im not sure-) I think he is with delta

3. I had asked the two of them a week or two ago when this thread first surfaced how hard it would be for someone like myself (with just a bit of training) to take a mid flight jet and fly it into the building. I am not going to tell you what they said but take a guess regarding my stance on the subject.

You need to go back and ask them again. A low speed impact might have been possible for an amateur.

But the impacts on 9/11 were at ~500 mph -- very high speed -- impossible for an amateur pilot.

underrated29
02-21-2013, 02:19 PM
You need to go back and ask them again. A low speed impact might have been possible for an amateur.

But the impacts on 9/11 were at ~500 mph -- very high speed -- impossible for an amateur pilot.



Why do you say that?

I will ask them again next time I see them. One is out of town to Australia. The other might come in tomorrow and bring coffee. If so I shall report.

mhgaffney
02-21-2013, 04:58 PM
Why do you say that?

I will ask them again next time I see them. One is out of town to Australia. The other might come in tomorrow and bring coffee. If so I shall report.

The fact they were high speed makes the approaches/impacts very very challenging.

There is a story that illustrates this. The morning after 9/11 a Boeing 737 instructor took his class of pilots into the 737 simulator where they had been training, set it for the WTC, and flew trials trying to hit the tower.

His students were professional pilots with years of experience. They'd flown other Boeings - and were seeking a license to fly 737s as well.

None of them could hit the WTC at high speed. Not even after multiple attempts. And remember -- a 737 is MUCH smaller and more maneuverable than a 767.

The instructor was able to hit the tower -- but only after several attempts.

MHG

W*GS
02-21-2013, 06:07 PM
How did Hale-Bopp survive the energy put it into it due to its gain in mass, gaffe?

Where's your math?

If you've done it, please point me to it.

Thanks!

SoCalBronco
02-21-2013, 06:17 PM
Waiting for Gaffe to use the " do your own homework" deflection again.

W*GS
02-21-2013, 06:19 PM
Waiting for Gaffe to use the " do your own homework" deflection again.

He can't do his own homework - he's too ****ing stupid.

gaffe dances right up to the "it was all holograms and no planes hit the WTC" wacky-even-by-troofer-"standards" bull****.

mhgaffney
02-22-2013, 02:25 PM
Waiting for Gaffe to use the " do your own homework" deflection again.

I'm waiting for you to do your job.

You are a mod, are you not?

underrated29
02-22-2013, 02:42 PM
Ok, he just came in and said me, myself personally, as he knows the training I've had would have no problem doing it. I asked him specifically at that speed and he said sure as you're not trying to maneuver. Anyone who can disable/turnoff auto pilot can get a good angle from miles out and make an easy approach.

So those instructors who couldn't do it either can't fly or are predispositioned into this entire conspiracy.

Told ya

mhgaffney
02-22-2013, 04:41 PM
Ok, he just came in and said me, myself personally, as he knows the training I've had would have no problem doing it. I asked him specifically at that speed and he said sure as you're not trying to maneuver. Anyone who can disable/turnoff auto pilot can get a good angle from miles out and make an easy approach.

So those instructors who couldn't do it either can't fly or are predispositioned into this entire conspiracy.

Told ya

Not trying to maneuver? What are you talking about?

Flight UAL 175 made a dramatic maneuver moments before impact -- supposedly at close to 600 mph --

If the turn had been started one second sooner or one second later flight 175 would have missed the south tower completely.

The terrorist pilot who supposedly did this had never trained in a Boeing 767. According to the best information, he had maybe 1-2 hours in a simulator for a DIFFERENT BOEING. I'll have to recheck which aircraft sim it was. MHG

mhgaffney
02-22-2013, 04:42 PM
about 11 months before 9/11, Nicholas Rockefeller told his friend Aaron Russo,

There is going to be an event...

Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGF6DDd8Uto

W*GS
02-22-2013, 04:48 PM
How did Hale-Bopp survive the energy put it into it due to its gain in mass, gaffe?

Where's your math?

If you've done it, please point me to it.

Thanks!

mhgaffney
02-22-2013, 04:53 PM
Where are you Taco?

Are you going to let the arch spammer W*gs derail yet another thread?

I noticed how you ran away when Ron Paul came under attack. Are you hiding again?

MHG

W*GS
02-22-2013, 05:04 PM
Are you going to let the arch spammer W*gs derail yet another thread?

So go to the History of Venus (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=110057) and answer my question. Show your work.

You cowardly scumbag.

underrated29
02-22-2013, 11:15 PM
Wait so now we know the terrorist that did this had 2 sim hours in a different jet? How do we know this. I thought it was not terrorists.


Face it, if the terrorists are smart enough to plan this out, get the weapons on board and take over several planes simultaneously they have probably trained more than a couple hours in a sim.

Seriously. They didnt just say ok today we are going to crash planes into some ****, go find some people that played pilot wings on Super Nintendo. That will be all the training required. Do you know how dumb that sounds?

mhgaffney
02-23-2013, 09:20 AM
Wait so now we know the terrorist that did this had 2 sim hours in a different jet? How do we know this. I thought it was not terrorists.


Face it, if the terrorists are smart enough to plan this out, get the weapons on board and take over several planes simultaneously they have probably trained more than a couple hours in a sim.

Seriously. They didnt just say ok today we are going to crash planes into some ****, go find some people that played pilot wings on Super Nintendo. That will be all the training required. Do you know how dumb that sounds?

Yeah I agree with you. It is very dumb -- but this is the official story of what happened. I'll have to check but I believe the bit about the sims was reported in the 9/11 Commission Report.

Just another reason to doubt what we've been told.

Phillip Marshall, an experienced pilot, doubted it. In his book FALSE FLAG 9/11 he argues that the terrorist pilots had secret help from the Saudis and elements of the US intelligence community. He says they trained in Arizona for months before 9/11.

I do not agree. I reviewed all of the evidence in the cas e of Hani Hanjour who supposedly piloted AA 77 into the Pentagon. Hanjour could not even remember his ow pin number. He flunked a Virginia driver's license test two weeks before 9/11. He flunked a flight test in a one engine Cessna three weeks before 9/11. A Cessna is one of the simplest planes to fly.

Draw your own conclusions.

Here is my paper about Hanjour:
http://www.infowars.com/how-the-fbi-and-911-commission-suppressed-key-evidence-about-hani-hanjour/

W*GS
02-23-2013, 09:23 AM
Here we go with the holograms **** again.

W*GS
02-23-2013, 10:05 AM
gaffe had a comment about the evidence now showing that the planes were remote-controlled, but then he yanked it.

We already thrashed that idea to death, and showed that it simply wasn't tenable.

Doesn't mean gaffe doesn't pull out the same **** over and over and over again.

nyuk nyuk
02-23-2013, 10:29 AM
For whatever it's worth, I caught up with an old TV news friend over the holidays, he's been at WTAE in Pittsburgh for a long time. He was at Shanksville midday on 9/11, one of the very first on the scene. He says no way, absolutely no way did a plane crash at that site. Thing is, he's not the type to believe in conspiracies, he's not even a truther. Just says no way, wasn't a plane there.

Excellent! I always cherish armchair QB commentaries from journalists. They seem to know just EVERYTHING.

Unless he stayed to see them pull jet parts - including engines - out of the soil, he has no business opening his maw.

nyuk nyuk
02-23-2013, 10:32 AM
The fact they were high speed makes the approaches/impacts very very challenging.

There is a story that illustrates this. The morning after 9/11 a Boeing 737 instructor took his class of pilots into the 737 simulator where they had been training, set it for the WTC, and flew trials trying to hit the tower.

His students were professional pilots with years of experience. They'd flown other Boeings - and were seeking a license to fly 737s as well.

None of them could hit the WTC at high speed. Not even after multiple attempts. And remember -- a 737 is MUCH smaller and more maneuverable than a 767.

The instructor was able to hit the tower -- but only after several attempts.

MHG

Emphasize the word "story." Give us a source or it's hearsay at best. Considering the type of accusations you're throwing around here, you need to at least be decent enough to source these claims.

baja
02-23-2013, 06:37 PM
I haven't read the thread and I don't discount the possibility of the story being true. My question is why did they wait 12 years to take him out?

mhgaffney
02-24-2013, 12:23 PM
I haven't read the thread and I don't discount the possibility of the story being true. My question is why did they wait 12 years to take him out?

Good question.

He was killed within days of the release of his second book about 9/11. I have not read it yet -- so I can't comment further -- but have just ordered it.

W*GS
02-24-2013, 12:28 PM
So some guy has the genuine inside scoop on how what we've been told about the al-Qaeda-hijacked planes used as guided missiles is all wrong.

But the Powers That Run It All don't take him out right away. They wait 12 years.

And they do it via killing him, his kids, and his dog - a very newsworthy and attention-getting means. Not a "heart attack", "traffic accident" or anything else that would be viewed as far more run-of-the-mill.

Why do you think the Powers That Run It All would go for such a showy death? Explain.

houghtam
02-24-2013, 12:46 PM
So some guy has the genuine inside scoop on how what we've been told about the al-Qaeda-hijacked planes used as guided missiles is all wrong.

But the Powers That Run It All don't take him out right away. They wait 12 years.

And they do it via killing him, his kids, and his dog - a very newsworthy and attention-getting means. Not a "heart attack", "traffic accident" or anything else that would be viewed as far more run-of-the-mill.

Why do you think the Powers That Run It All would go for such a showy death? Explain.

Because, man! It's just what you'd expect them to do!

W*GS
02-24-2013, 04:54 PM
Because, man! It's just what you'd expect them to do!

I'm still waiting on gaffe...

But in the meantime, I expect his response will be that a "quiet" death for Mr. Marshall wouldn't deliver the same "message" to others to steer clear of 9/11.

Of course, gaffe puts himself in the class of folks who know the Real Truth and are selflessly giving it to us idiots at grave danger to themselves.

It's just a manifestation of gaffe's Messiah complex and his underlying mental illnesses.

cutthemdown
02-24-2013, 07:21 PM
Good question.

He was killed within days of the release of his second book about 9/11. I have not read it yet -- so I can't comment further -- but have just ordered it.

killing a guy after he writes book just bring more attention to book. How would the CIA benefit from that? Logically it just doesn't make sense.

Obushma
02-24-2013, 08:19 PM
How would the CIA benefit from that? Logically it just doesn't make sense.

How does the Bush ran CIA kill a standing president in daylight, in the middle of a parade?

mhgaffney
02-25-2013, 12:42 PM
Emphasize the word "story." Give us a source or it's hearsay at best. Considering the type of accusations you're throwing around here, you need to at least be decent enough to source these claims.

Here is the source -- the 2007 interview with Dan Govatos, a Boeing 737 instructor.

Govatos tells the story of how he set up trials in a 737 simulator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm58cPH8L78

At about 7 minutes Rob Balsamo - who is a Boeing 757 pilot -- explains how he set up a trial with a 757 sim and tried to hit the Pentagon. Balsamo said it took him 5-6 tries before he could do it.

W*GS
02-25-2013, 01:16 PM
So some guy has the genuine inside scoop on how what we've been told about the al-Qaeda-hijacked planes used as guided missiles is all wrong.

But the Powers That Run It All don't take him out right away. They wait 12 years.

And they do it via killing him, his kids, and his dog - a very newsworthy and attention-getting means. Not a "heart attack", "traffic accident" or anything else that would be viewed as far more run-of-the-mill.

Why do you think the Powers That Run It All would go for such a showy death? Explain.

mhgaffney
03-01-2013, 10:28 AM
Here we go again.

I answered Nyuk Nyuk's question at the bottom of the previous page -- provided the source for the claim that amateur pilots could never have done what we are told they did on 9/11.

But the answer dropped into the void and disappeared - without further comment. Same old same old.

MHG

W*GS
03-01-2013, 12:05 PM
Got a couple questions for ya, gaffe.

So some guy has the genuine inside scoop on how what we've been told about the al-Qaeda-hijacked planes used as guided missiles is all wrong.

But the Powers That Run It All don't take him out right away. They wait 12 years.

And they do it via killing him, his kids, and his dog - a very newsworthy and attention-getting means. Not a "heart attack", "traffic accident" or anything else that would be viewed as far more run-of-the-mill.

Why do you think the Powers That Run It All would go for such a showy death? Explain.

mhgaffney
03-01-2013, 04:07 PM
I have not read Marshall's newest book yet so I cannot comment.

underrated29
03-01-2013, 07:18 PM
Here we go again.

I answered Nyuk Nyuk's question at the bottom of the previous page -- provided the source for the claim that amateur pilots could never have done what we are told they did on 9/11.

But the answer dropped into the void and disappeared - without further comment. Same old same old.

MHG




But we have already shown this is crap. And we have it from actual pilots today who have no clue about your conspiracy theory. They are as un bias as one could be.

BroncoBuff
03-01-2013, 08:24 PM
Excellent! I always cherish armchair QB commentaries from journalists. They seem to know just EVERYTHING.

Unless he stayed to see them pull jet parts - including engines - out of the soil, he has no business opening his maw.

He's a photographer. nuckle-nuck. And he opened his mouth to ME only. Said he couldn't find a shot ... looked for anything, walked and walked all day, even before the perimeter was fully set up. Said he couldn't find much of anything that looked airplane-related.

Of course that begs the question: If it is a conspiracy, why wouldn't they leave something to be seen?

Rohirrim
03-02-2013, 10:58 AM
He's a photographer. nuckle-nuck. And he opened his mouth to ME only. Said he couldn't find a shot ... looked for anything, walked and walked all day, even before the perimeter was fully set up. Said he couldn't find much of anything that looked airplane-related.

Of course that begs the question: If it is a conspiracy, why wouldn't they leave something to be seen?

Good point.

mhgaffney
03-02-2013, 12:20 PM
But we have already shown this is crap. And we have it from actual pilots today who have no clue about your conspiracy theory. They are as un bias as one could be.

You have not shown jack ****.

Nor have you explained how Dan Govatos somehow got it wrong. Plenty of commercial pilots agree with him.

Here is another one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hTq0vlhF3M

mhgaffney
03-02-2013, 12:28 PM
He's a photographer. nuckle-nuck. And he opened his mouth to ME only. Said he couldn't find a shot ... looked for anything, walked and walked all day, even before the perimeter was fully set up. Said he couldn't find much of anything that looked airplane-related.

Of course that begs the question: If it is a conspiracy, why wouldn't they leave something to be seen?

Good question, BroncoBuff.

The answer is simple: The plan was not airtight. Things went wrong. One thing that went wrong was WTC - 7. Many people think it was supposed to be taken down that morning -- when WTC-1 and 2 collapsed. The demolition would have been concealed by dust.

But something went wrong. They had to drop in later that afternoon -- in broad daylight. The demolition of WTC-7 is the no brainer -- proving 9/11 was an inside job.

But Flight UAL 93 was another case. Something went wrong. IMO the perpetrators had to resort to a backup contingency plan. The evidence is consistent with the use of a high powered microwave weapon. We have a witness who saw what probably was a drone within a half mile of the crash site.

There may also have been a bomb on board. I believe the plane exploded just before it hit the ground - which explains the lack of debris at the impact site.

We have Flight 93 on radar from the time it took off to the time it went down. We also have the air traffic control tapes -- which agree with the radar data.

I also went to Shanksville and spoke with a farmer who lives 1/4 mile from the crash site and watched it go down.

MHG

underrated29
03-02-2013, 12:46 PM
You have not shown jack ****.

Nor have you explained how Dan Govatos somehow got it wrong. Plenty of commercial pilots agree with him.

Here is another one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hTq0vlhF3M



I don't know who Dan is, I don't care.ni don't need to explain why he can't or doesn't know how to fly. I know actual pilots, they have all said that I could do it. If I can, I guarantee any terrorists can as well. And well, we saw them do it.



So we have some high powered microwave weapon, Bombs, Nanites, and an underground implosion, superior siesmic activity caused by super bombs. These are all things you have said in regards to 9/11.


We are supposed to believe all this crap happened and that all that stuff was used like you said it was, instead of some people taking over a plane and flying it into a building?


Do you ever read what you type out.

mhgaffney
03-02-2013, 01:04 PM
I don't know who Dan is, I don't care.ni don't need to explain why he can't or doesn't know how to fly. I know actual pilots, they have all said that I could do it. If I can, I guarantee any terrorists can as well. And well, we saw them do it.

So we have some high powered microwave weapon, Bombs, Nanites, and an underground implosion, superior siesmic activity caused by super bombs. These are all things you have said in regards to 9/11.

We are supposed to believe all this crap happened and that all that stuff was used like you said it was, instead of some people taking over a plane and flying it into a building?

Do you ever read what you type out.

You saw something. Exactly what remains at issue.

Did you go back to your "pilots" and explain that the impacts were at high speed -- and get their take on that? Of course not. You are just another clown.

mHG

houghtam
03-02-2013, 01:04 PM
Good question, BroncoBuff.

The answer is simple: The plan was not airtight. Things went wrong. One thing that went wrong was WTC - 7. Many people think it was supposed to be taken down that morning -- when WTC-1 and 2 collapsed. The demolition would have been concealed by dust.

But something went wrong. They had to drop in later that afternoon -- in broad daylight. The demolition of WTC-7 is the no brainer -- proving 9/11 was an inside job.

But Flight UAL 93 was another case. Something went wrong. IMO the perpetrators had to resort to a backup contingency plan. The evidence is consistent with the use of a high powered microwave weapon. We have a witness who saw what probably was a drone within a half mile of the crash site.

There may also have been a bomb on board. I believe the plane exploded just before it hit the ground - which explains the lack of debris at the impact site.

We have Flight 93 on radar from the time it took off to the time it went down. We also have the air traffic control tapes -- which agree with the radar data.

I also went to Shanksville and spoke with a farmer who lives 1/4 mile from the crash site and watched it go down.

MHG

From this, to JFK, to water fluoridation, to Obama's Manchurian Candidate status...these guys sure leave around a metric **** ton of loose ends.

It's almost as if they want us to find out...

W*GS
03-02-2013, 01:16 PM
Whatever happened to <strike>red mercury-powered pure-fusion mini-nukes</strike>?

underrated29
03-02-2013, 03:56 PM
You saw something. Exactly what remains at issue.

Did you go back to your "pilots" and explain that the impacts were at high speed -- and get their take on that? Of course not. You are just another clown.

mHG



Welcome to clown city gaffe. How about you take a look 2 pages back where I did post their response specifically relating to the high speed. How about you do some research on that, bozo. Or is it blinky the clown. Either way we can find some giant shoes to fit that big red nose on your face.

Unless of course that response of my wasn't there before and it's a conspiracy to make you look like a bigger clown. *gasp*

mhgaffney
03-04-2013, 03:32 PM
Welcome to clown city gaffe. How about you take a look 2 pages back where I did post their response specifically relating to the high speed. How about you do some research on that, bozo. Or is it blinky the clown. Either way we can find some giant shoes to fit that big red nose on your face.

Unless of course that response of my wasn't there before and it's a conspiracy to make you look like a bigger clown. *gasp*

You cite un named sources -- and expect me to be impressed.

I just received Marshall's new book -- and will post my reaction soon.

MHG

mhgaffney
03-04-2013, 03:38 PM
Marshall's new book -- released days before he was killed -- is called THE BIG BAMBOOZLE.

The title was drawn from a quote by the late Carl Sagan - W*gs' hero, which is clearly relevant to 9/11 - as follows:

"One of the saddest lessons in history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle."

-----Carl Sagan

So true -- and very much so in the case of 9/11. The clown on the street always sees through the small lies -- Clinton saying he did not inhale. But the big lies are very different.

MHG

W*GS
03-04-2013, 04:43 PM
Got a couple questions for ya, gaffe.

So some guy has the genuine inside scoop on how what we've been told about the al-Qaeda-hijacked planes used as guided missiles is all wrong.

But the Powers That Run It All don't take him out right away. They wait 12 years.

And they do it via killing him, his kids, and his dog - a very newsworthy and attention-getting means. Not a "heart attack", "traffic accident" or anything else that would be viewed as far more run-of-the-mill.

Why do you think the Powers That Run It All would go for such a showy death? Explain.

underrated29
03-04-2013, 05:05 PM
You cite un named sources -- and expect me to be impressed.

I just received Marshall's new book -- and will post my reaction soon.

MHG



Un named sources? Seriously. These are actual pilots for the airlines. They don't publish books or any of that crap that you live by because they don't care. Even if I gave their names what would that change? What are you going to do? Look their names up on sky net? You don't even know what sky net is....

So no, I don't expect you to be impressed I want you to see how freaking dumb you are. You are an oxymoron in your own right. Smart but also stupid. A walking talking irony.

I would expect a rational person to say hey, there are three pilots that work for the major airlines and fly bigger and more sophisticated aircraft than the ones hijacked, and they say that an amateur with 2 years of SIMM training could do it. Perhaps the people that fly these jets every single week, might know a thing or two about who and how much training would be needed to hit two tall targets on a clear day with a nice easy approach. I would expect you to realize this and say hmmm, their maybe some truth to this and me or my martyr book writer might be mistaken.

That's it man. However, as to your disappearance to the Venus thread,I should not expect you to realize this.


Have you ever admitted that you or your co conspiracy theorists are ever wrong, on anything, ever?

mhgaffney
03-05-2013, 08:23 AM
Un named sources? Seriously. These are actual pilots for the airlines. They don't publish books or any of that crap that you live by because they don't care. Even if I gave their names what would that change? What are you going to do? Look their names up on sky net? You don't even know what sky net is....

So no, I don't expect you to be impressed I want you to see how freaking dumb you are. You are an oxymoron in your own right. Smart but also stupid. A walking talking irony.

I would expect a rational person to say hey, there are three pilots that work for the major airlines and fly bigger and more sophisticated aircraft than the ones hijacked, and they say that an amateur with 2 years of SIMM training could do it. Perhaps the people that fly these jets every single week, might know a thing or two about who and how much training would be needed to hit two tall targets on a clear day with a nice easy approach. I would expect you to realize this and say hmmm, their maybe some truth to this and me or my martyr book writer might be mistaken.

That's it man. However, as to your disappearance to the Venus thread,I should not expect you to realize this.


Have you ever admitted that you or your co conspiracy theorists are ever wrong, on anything, ever?

Two years of SIMS training? Wrong. The alleged hijack pilots had just two hours of SIMS training, according to the 9/11 Commission.

As with so many clowns in here, you don't even know the OFFICIAL conspiracy theory. Same old same old.

MHG

mhgaffney
03-05-2013, 12:03 PM
Some tidbits from Marshall's book THE BIG BAMBOOZL

Marshall's new book follows up and goes well beyond his previous 9/11 book FALSE FLAG 9/11

This time, he went deep into the official reports and pulled out some nuggets that other researchers missed.

The chairman of the 2002 Joint Inquiry (the first official 9/11 investigation), Sen Bob Graham, charged in his 2008 book INTELLIGENCE MATTERS that 2001 FBI chief Robert Mueller lied when he testified during the Joint Inquiry's 2002 hearing.

Graham charged that Mueller covered up the Saudi financing of at least two of the alleged 9/11 high-jackers (al-Hazmi and al-Midhar). This was reported in the national press --

Graham follows this line of research --

The source of the funding was none other than the Saudi ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar.

Evidently the Saudi national, al-Bayoumi, who served as Bandar's bag man worked for a Saudi aviation contractor. Marshall believed this was a key piece of information, especially given that all of the alleged 9/11 highjackers made unexplained trips to Las Vegas and Arizona in the spring of 2001.

I learned about these trips in my own 9/11 research but never explained them.

Marshall theorized that the high-jackers had received advanced training at a secret military base in the desert southwest. He identified a number of air parks where Boeing commercial jets are stored. Old and unused aircraft are kept at desert bases because the dry conditions helps preserve them.

But Marshall learned that only two of the air parks had airworthy 757s and 767s in 2001. One of the bases is near Las Vegas and the other is at Pinal, between Tucson and Phoenix.

The Pinal base has a long history of CIA activity -- going back to the Viet Nam era. Marshall spent several days at the Pinal base -- outside the perimeter -- watching Boeing jets come and go.

Jeremy Scahill wrote about Pinal in his book BLACKWATER and refers to it as a "spook air base." Scahill also connected Buzzy Krongard, whom George Tenet recruited in 1996 to become his aide at Central Intelligence, to the managers of this base. Krongard had worked as a director at AB Brown -- one of the oldest investment banks in the US.

After 9/11, several national papers reported that the SEC had traced put options on United and American airlines purchased days before 9/11 to Krongard's former bank. Interesting aye?

These are just some snippets from THE BIG BAMBOOZLE --

MHG

houghtam
03-05-2013, 12:10 PM
Two years of SIMS training? Wrong. The alleged hijack pilots had just two hours of SIMS training, according to the 9/11 Commission.

As with so many clowns in here, you don't even know the OFFICIAL conspiracy theory. Same old same old.

MHG

If you can be talked into landing a plane with no experience, as was demonstrated on Mythbusters, you can hit a building with some experience. Or maybe they had someone talking them into the building. That's certainly more believable than the crap you're spouting.

W*GS
03-05-2013, 12:26 PM
Another day, another load of gaffe BS.

underrated29
03-05-2013, 01:21 PM
So once again, the terrorists, who had this long, very thought out, very well produced plan............As you can not just simultaneously hijack several different planes all at once, and expect all your hijackers to take their lives, and fly them to several different targets. IE- White house, pentagon, both towers......

All that trouble, all that months-maybe years of planning to pull off successfully and you think they only trained for two days!!!?


They would go through all that trouble, and only train guys for two days! Did you eat paint chips as a kid? Live under power lines maybe? TWO DAYS!

Are you Serious!? Two Days?- Months and years worth of planning and they decided the most crucial part, you know, the actual flying part and kamikaze part, they only needed two days!


TWO DAYS GHAFFE, TWO DAYS, I WANT MY TWO DOLLARS! TWO DAYS!



Your entire theory is garbage based on the simple and very easy fact that:

1. I highly dount they trained for 2 days
2. Any person without actual flight training but some simm time can do it. Words, from actual pilots who fly these things every single week.


Face it, you are a loser and can not accept it. TWO DAYS! VENUS!


Have you ever been wrong Ghaffe?
(Two Days, Venus)

mhgaffney
03-06-2013, 12:51 PM
So once again, the terrorists, who had this long, very thought out, very well produced plan............As you can not just simultaneously hijack several different planes all at once, and expect all your hijackers to take their lives, and fly them to several different targets. IE- White house, pentagon, both towers......

All that trouble, all that months-maybe years of planning to pull off successfully and you think they only trained for two days!!!?


They would go through all that trouble, and only train guys for two days! Did you eat paint chips as a kid? Live under power lines maybe? TWO DAYS!

Are you Serious!? Two Days?- Months and years worth of planning and they decided the most crucial part, you know, the actual flying part and kamikaze part, they only needed two days!


TWO DAYS GHAFFE, TWO DAYS, I WANT MY TWO DOLLARS! TWO DAYS!



Your entire theory is garbage based on the simple and very easy fact that:

1. I highly dount they trained for 2 days
2. Any person without actual flight training but some simm time can do it. Words, from actual pilots who fly these things every single week.


Face it, you are a loser and can not accept it. TWO DAYS! VENUS!


Have you ever been wrong Ghaffe?
(Two Days, Venus)

According to the 9/11 Commission Report the alleged highjacker pilots had two hours of SIM time. I did not say it. They said it.

Like you I agree it's total BS.

Apart from that -- you and I agree on nothing.

MHG

W*GS
03-06-2013, 01:49 PM
According to the 9/11 Commission Report the alleged highjacker pilots had two hours of SIM time. I did not say it. They said it.

I just searched "simulator" in the 9/11 Commission Report and nowhere did it say that the hijackers had "two hours of SIM time".

On what page does the 9/11 Commission Report make that statement?

Prove it, gaffe.

W*GS
03-07-2013, 07:30 AM
I just searched "simulator" in the 9/11 Commission Report and nowhere did it say that the hijackers had "two hours of SIM time".

On what page does the 9/11 Commission Report make that statement?

Prove it, gaffe.

Crickets...

mhgaffney
03-07-2013, 10:35 AM
The Joint Inquiry Report - 2002

Phillip Marshall goes deeper into the official reports than most other 9/11 researchers.

He found many gems in the first official 9/11 report -- the 2002 investigation by the Joint House/Senate Intelligence Committee. It was known as the Joint Inquiry.

Much of it was censored out in the released version - in particular - 28 pages in part 3 about the Saudi involvement.

Download it here:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.action?browsePath=107/HRPT/%5b700%3b799%5d&granuleId=CRPT-107hrpt792&packageId=CRPT-107hrpt792

W*GS
03-07-2013, 10:45 AM
[...]

I just searched "simulator" in the 9/11 Commission Report and nowhere did it say that the hijackers had "two hours of SIM time".

On what page does the 9/11 Commission Report make that statement?

Prove it, gaffe.

mhgaffney
03-07-2013, 04:25 PM
The Prince who skimmed $2 billion from an arms deal. Not a bad day's work. Just so happens this is the same prince who provided cash to at least two of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

As it turns out -- the bag man was Al Bayoumi -- a mid level Saudi who was also working for a Saudi aviation contractor.

MHG

Former FBI chief defends flow of money to Saudi ambassador

$2 billion from an British arms manufacturer to Saudi Arabia's then-U.S. ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, has come under scrutiny. Louis Freeh defends Bandar on 'Frontline.'

April 07, 2009|Tom Hamburger and Josh Meyer

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/07/nation/na-freeh7

mhgaffney
03-07-2013, 04:30 PM
The problem with Americans is that we don't think BIG enough. Americans detect the small lie -- but invariably swallow the big one. Here is more poop on Prince Bandar, who was so close to the Bushes he was viewed as family.

Senator Bob Graham has charged that the FBI covered up the cash payments to the hijackers. Graham chaired the first official 9/11 investigation.

MHG

Saudi Prince's Assets Blocked

February 10, 2008

A federal judge has temporarily blocked the former Saudi ambassador to the United States from removing real estate sales proceeds from the United States, pending resolution of a class-action lawsuit.

The suit was filed last September by a tiny Michigan city's retirement system. It accuses current and former directors of BAE Systems, a giant British defense company, of breaching their fiduciary duties in connection with $2 billion or more in alleged illegal bribes paid to Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

Bandar also is named a defendant in the suit, along with the former Riggs Bank of Washington and its successor, PNC Financial Group.

BAE and Bandar have strongly denied that illegal payments were made to Bandar.

Without ruling on the merits of the case, U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer said in a temporary restraining order, signed Tuesday, that the suit by the City of Harper Woods Employees' Retirement System raises serious questions of law that warrant a temporary order keeping Bandar from taking the proceeds of real estate sales out of U.S.-based accounts.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2008-02-10/politics/36859368_1_prince-bandar-bae-systems-real-estate-sales

houghtam
03-07-2013, 04:40 PM
The problem with Americans is that we don't think BIG enough. Americans detect the small lie -- but invariably swallow the big one. Here is more poop on Prince Bandar, who was so close to the Bushes he was viewed as family.

Senator Bob Graham has charged that the FBI covered up the cash payments to the hijackers. Graham chaired the first official 9/11 investigation.

MHG

Saudi Prince's Assets Blocked

February 10, 2008

A federal judge has temporarily blocked the former Saudi ambassador to the United States from removing real estate sales proceeds from the United States, pending resolution of a class-action lawsuit.

The suit was filed last September by a tiny Michigan city's retirement system. It accuses current and former directors of BAE Systems, a giant British defense company, of breaching their fiduciary duties in connection with $2 billion or more in alleged illegal bribes paid to Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

Bandar also is named a defendant in the suit, along with the former Riggs Bank of Washington and its successor, PNC Financial Group.

BAE and Bandar have strongly denied that illegal payments were made to Bandar.

Without ruling on the merits of the case, U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer said in a temporary restraining order, signed Tuesday, that the suit by the City of Harper Woods Employees' Retirement System raises serious questions of law that warrant a temporary order keeping Bandar from taking the proceeds of real estate sales out of U.S.-based accounts.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2008-02-10/politics/36859368_1_prince-bandar-bae-systems-real-estate-sales

Small lie: Venus is a comet

Big lie: The universe is run by lizard people

Am I doing it right?

mhgaffney
03-07-2013, 04:46 PM
Here's a good capsule of the Bandar fiasco -- and how it ties to 9/11. When federal investigators began investigating Prince Bandar's bank accounts at Riggs Bank -- they found a lot more than they bargained for -- so much evidence of criminal activity that they shut down the bank in 2006.

So far -- neither Prince Bandar nor his American sponsors and backers (i.s. the Bush family) have been indicted.

The 9/11 Commission Report concluded that the financing of the 9/11 attacks "was of no practical significance.." That right there ought to tell you the report was nothing but a cover up.

note: According to Wikipedia, HSBC Holdings plc (commonly known as HSBC) is a British multinational banking and financial services company headquartered in London, United Kingdom.[5] As of 2012, it was the world's third-largest publicly held bank and sixth-largest public company, according to a composite measure by Forbes magazine.
MHG

HSBC, Prince Bandar, and 9/11: The Plot Thickens

July 21, 2012 • 8:17AM

The recently-released 330-page report of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (SPSI) on HSBC's role in money laundering for drug cartels, terrorist organizations, and Iran, has shed further light on the financing of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. As the report documents, HSBC maintained a correspondent banking relationship with Al Rahji Bank of Saudi Arabia, a conduit for funds to al-Qaeda and other Islamist terror cells. Al Rahji Bank was part of a network of Saudi-based banks and charities that funneled an estimated $30 million a year to finance al-Qaeda's operations alone. HSBC, through its New York City branch, HBUS, gave Al Rahji and other linked elements within what was called the "Golden Chain," access to the U.S. banking system.

What's more, following the shutdown and sell-off of Riggs National Bank, after revelations of money laundering and other criminal activities on behalf of a number of foreign governments, the bulk of the embassy banking accounts were taken over by HSBC. The transfer of the embassy accounts from Riggs to HSBC included the infamous Saudi embassy accounts of Ambassador Prince Bandar bin-Sultan and his wife. Those accounts were conduits for at least $2 billion in kickbacks from the Al Yamamah weapons-for-oil barter deal to Prince Bandar, who brokered the Anglo-Saudi special arrangement back in 1985 with then-British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

At least $50,000 of those funds were passed on to two Saudi intelligence officers, Osama Basnan and Omar Bayoumi, who financed at least two of the 9/11 hijackers with those funds. These transactions were the subject of a 28-page chapter in the Congressional 9/11 panel's final report, which was classified top secret by President George W. Bush, and which, to this day, has been kept from the public eye. In February 2009, when he met with representatives of the 9/11 families, President Obama pledged that he would make sure that chapter was made public—a promise he never intended to keep.

This week, as Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) was releasing the SPSI report on HSBC's money laundering activities, Prince Bandar was named as the new head of Saudi intelligence. According to one knowledgeable U.S. intelligence source, Bandar is running the Saudi promotion of violent neo-Salafi terrorists. After the U.S. Department of Justice investigated Prince Bandar's role in the Al Yamamah scandal under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, and after a U.S. court temporarily froze $160 million in Bandar's assets in the United States, the Saudi Prince has become virulently anti-American, according to the source.

http://larouchepac.com/node/23412

W*GS
03-07-2013, 07:22 PM
According to the 9/11 Commission Report the alleged highjacker pilots had two hours of SIM time. I did not say it. They said it.

I just searched "simulator" in the 9/11 Commission Report and nowhere did it say that the hijackers had "two hours of SIM time".

On what page does the 9/11 Commission Report make that statement?

Prove it, gaffe.

PS - QUIT YOUR ****ING LYING YOU CO******ING MOTHER****ER!

The Lone Bolt
03-07-2013, 07:32 PM
Why do I picture the inside of Gaff's cabin looking like that scene from "A Beautiful Mind" with all the articles and pictures on the wall connected by strings?

mhgaffney
03-08-2013, 11:46 AM
I covered the SIMS issue in my 2008 book

It's mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report on p 227.

But to get the whole story you also need to look at other docs.

Robert Mueller told the Joint Inquiry (closed hearing, June 18, 2002) that in Dec 2000 Mohammad Atta and Marwan Al-shihhi did a single session in a 767 simulator at the Simcenter flight school at the Opa-Locka Airport near Miami. Another FBI statement to this effect was released at the time of the trial of Zacharias Moussaoui in 2006. At the trial the FBI produced a document showing that the two had paid $2500 for the session.

The New York Times also reported that the two had spent a grand total of three hours in a Boeing 727 simulator. Needless to say, a 727 is very different than a 767 -- to say the least.
Here's the source:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/nyt091501b.html

mhgaffney
03-08-2013, 12:07 PM
I've been telling you clowns for years that the Bin Laden videos were fakes -- check out this report based on agency officials who admitted it in 2010.
MHG

CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html

May 25, 2010

By Jeff Stein

During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA's Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.

One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.

“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”

The idea was to then “flood Iraq with the videos,” the former official said.

Another idea was to interrupt Iraqi television programming with a fake special news bulletin. An actor playing Hussein would announce that he was stepping down in favor of his (much-reviled) son Uday.

“I’m sure you will throw your support behind His Excellency Uday,” the fake Hussein would intone.

The spy agency’s Office of Technical Services collaborated on the ideas, which also included inserting fake “crawls” -- messages at the bottom of the screen -- into Iraqi newscasts.

The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects.

They also faced strong opposition from James Pavitt, then head of the agency’s Operations Division, and his deputy, Hugh Turner, who “kept throwing darts at it.”

The ideas were patently ridiculous, said the other former agency officer.

“They came from people whose careers were spent in Latin America or East Asia” and didn’t understand the cultural nuances of the region.

“Saddam playing with boys would have no resonance in the Middle East -- nobody cares,” agreed a third former CIA official with extensive experience in the region. “Trying to mount such a campaign would show a total misunderstanding of the target. We always mistake our own taboos as universal when, in fact, they are just our taboos.”

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, declined to confirm the accounts, or deny them.

"While I can't confirm these accounts, if these ideas were ever floated by anyone at any time, they clearly didn't go anywhere," the official said.

The reality, the former officials said, was that the agency really didn’t have enough money and expertise to carry out the projects.

“The military took them over,” said one. “They had assets in psy-war down at Ft. Bragg,” at the army’s special warfare center.

“The agency got rid of most of its non-paramilitary covert action in the 1980s, after Bill Casey died,” said the third former official. “He was a big fan of covert action, but neither Bob Gates, who succeeded him as acting [CIA] director, or any after him, wanted anything to do with it.”

“There was a flurry of activity during the first Gulf War,” the official added, “but [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf made it clear he had to approve everything, and he basically approved nothing, except, reluctantly at first, surrender leaflets. By the late '90s there were very few people left who knew anything about covert action or how to do it. “

The leaflets also had “unintended consequences,” the former official added.

“In the perverted logic of Iraq, the Iraqi soldiers decided they had to have a leaflet to surrender, so they fought us to get one."

According to histories of the 2003 invasion, the single most effective “information warfare” project, which originated in the Pentagon, was to send faxes and e-mails to Iraqi unit commanders as the fighting began, telling them their situation was hopeless, to round up their tanks, artillery and men, and go home.

Many did.

DenverBrit
03-08-2013, 12:53 PM
That fake video has been common knowledge for years.

So you think because you've just discovered that fact, all Bin Laden videos are fake?? Once again, you're trying to parlay your ignorance into a conspiracy theory.

You live in a weird and disturbing fantasy world and should seriously consider getting some counseling.

W*GS
03-08-2013, 01:37 PM
I covered the SIMS issue in my 2008 book

It's mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report on p 227.

Where does it say "2 hours"?

HE ATTACK LOOMS 227
severed; he completed the initial training by the end of March 2001. At that point, Hanjour and Hazmi vacated their apartment and started driving east, anticipating the arrival of the “muscle hijackers”—the operatives who would storm the cockpits and control the passengers. By as early as April 4, Hanjour and Hazmi had arrived in Falls Church,Virginia.64
The three pilots in Florida continued with their training.Atta and Shehhi finished up at Huffman and earned their instrument certificates from the FAA in November. In mid-December 2000, they passed their commercial pilot tests and received their licenses.They then began training to fly large jets on a flight simulator. At about the same time, Jarrah began simulator training, also in Florida but at a different center. By the end of 2000, less than six months after their arrival, the three pilots on the East Coast were simulating flights on large jets.65
Travels in Early 2001
Jarrah, Atta, and Shehhi, having progressed in their training, all took foreign trips during the holiday period of 2000–2001. Jarrah flew through Germany to get home to Beirut.A few weeks later,he returned to Florida via Germany, with Aysel Senguen. She stayed with him in Florida for ten days, even accompanying him to a flight training session.We do not know whether Atta or al Qaeda leaders knew about Jarrah’s trips and Senguen’s visit.The other operatives had broken off regular contact with their families.At the end of January 2001, Jarrah again flew to Beirut, to visit his sick father.After staying there for several weeks, Jarrah visited Senguen in Germany for a few days before returning to the United States at the end of February.66
While Jarrah took his personal trips,Atta traveled to Germany in early January 2001 for a progress meeting with Ramzi Binalshibh. Binalshibh says Atta told him to report to the al Qaeda leadership in Afghanistan that the three Hamburg pilots had completed their flight training and were awaiting orders. Atta also disclosed that a fourth pilot, Hanjour, had joined Hazmi. Upon returning to Florida,Atta wired Binalshibh travel money.Binalshibh proceeded to Afghanistan, made his report, and spent the next several months there and in Pakistan.67
When Atta returned to Florida, Shehhi left for Morocco, traveling to Casablanca in mid-January. Shehhi’s family, concerned about not having heard from him, reported him missing to the UAE government.The UAE embassy in turn contacted the Hamburg police and a UAE representative tried to find him in Germany, visiting mosques and Shehhi’s last address in Hamburg.After learning that his family was looking for him, Shehhi telephoned them on January 20 and said he was still living and studying in Hamburg.The UAE government then told the Hamburg police they could call off the search.68
Atta and Shehhi both encountered some difficulty reentering the United States, on January 10 and January 18, respectively. Because neither presented a

Well?

But to get the whole story you also need to look at other docs.

Robert Mueller told the Joint Inquiry (closed hearing, June 18, 2002) that in Dec 2000 Mohammad Atta and Marwan Al-shihhi did a single session in a 767 simulator at the Simcenter flight school at the Opa-Locka Airport near Miami. Another FBI statement to this effect was released at the time of the trial of Zacharias Moussaoui in 2006. At the trial the FBI produced a document showing that the two had paid $2500 for the session.

The New York Times also reported that the two had spent a grand total of three hours in a Boeing 727 simulator. Needless to say, a 727 is very different than a 767 -- to say the least.
Here's the source:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/nyt091501b.html

None of that is proof of your claim:

According to the 9/11 Commission Report the alleged highjacker pilots had two hours of SIM time. I did not say it. They said it.

Now you're saying the 9/11 Report didn't say it, these other documents did, but none of what you quote supports your "two hours" claim.

QUIT LYING YOU CO****CKING MOTHER****ER.

mhgaffney
03-09-2013, 04:31 PM
Why I come here...

From time to time my friends and colleagues come to the OM to see where I post. They always say to me, Mark why do you waste your time with those idiots?

It is clear that true American patriots are no longer welcome in their own land. The propensity to savage the bearer of uncomfortable truths -- some like W*gs seem to delight in it -- is a sure sign not only of denial but of a dumbed down populace -- and a defeated nation.

The official investigating bodies produced not a scintilla of actual evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind 9/11 -- only faked videos and a so called confession from Shiekh Khalid Mohammed extracted under torture.

The 9/11 commission was never granted access to KSM -- nor were they allowed to interview the interrogators. They had to base their lawful investigation on third hand CIA reports. Trust us, the CIA said.

The co-chairs Kean and Hamilton later wrote a book, WITHOUT PRECEDENT, in which they said they were "set up to fail."

The chair of the first 9/11 investigation the Joint Inquiry, Sen Bob Graham, also wrote a book INTELLIGENCE MATTERS in which he accused the FBI of covering up the flow of money from Prince Bandar to the hijackers. A large portion of Graham's final report had been blacked out -- by the Bush administration - to hide its collusion with the Saudi financiers.

A professional pilot, Phil Marshall, shows in his books that the alleged hijackers did not have the training or expertise to do what they supposedly did on 9/11. Marshall was murdered because he got too close to the truth. Another unwanted true patriot -- sealed the awful truth of 9/11 with his own blood.

So why do I come here? It's simple: I post for the drop ins -- who seldom or never themselves post. But they do read -- and they think.

There are still a few people of integrity in this land.

MHG

W*GS
03-09-2013, 04:34 PM
Marshall was murdered because he got too close to the truth.

Got a couple questions for ya, gaffe.

So Marshall had the genuine inside scoop on how what we've been told about the al-Qaeda-hijacked planes used as guided missiles is all wrong.

But the Powers That Run It All don't take him out right away. They wait 12 years.

And they do it via killing him, his kids, and his dog - a very newsworthy and attention-getting means. Not a "heart attack", "traffic accident" or anything else that would be viewed as far more run-of-the-mill.

Why do you think the Powers That Run It All would go for such a showy death? Explain.

And another couple things...

Where does the 9/11 Commission Report (or its references) claim "highjacker [sic] pilots had two hours of SIM time"? Show us the direct and referenced quote.

How did Hale-Bopp accumulate the mass claimed without being destroyed by the accompanying energy?

WHY DO YOU FEEL IT NECESSARY TO BE SUCH A LIAR AND FRAUD?

W*GS
03-09-2013, 04:40 PM
Oh, and one more thing.

YOU ARE NO PATRIOT. YOU'RE A NAZI, YOU HATE AMERICA, YOU HATE HUMANITY, AND YOU ENRICH YOURSELF BY EXPLOITING HORRIFIC TRAGEDY FOR YOUR OWN PROFIT. YOU'RE A SCUMBAG LEECH, YOU HAVE SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, AND YOU GET OFF ON SICK DEATH FANTASIES.

orangeatheist
03-09-2013, 05:00 PM
I post for the drop ins -- who seldom or never themselves post. But they do read -- and they think.



I've always wondered why others here give you the time of day. Why do they engage you? Why do they acknowledge anything you say as if it was worthy of refutation? It would be best if everyone just turned their back on you and ignored you. Let you create your masturbatory threads but don't even enter them. I suggested once that others avoid you; ignore you; give you a wide berth and just let you self-pleasure yourself in private. But I was largely ignored myself instead. Now you give everyone a good reason to ignore you. You're not here for THEM; the people who respond to you. You're here for the imaginary fairies you think are looking for "Truth(TM)" about the fall of the American Empire, the real history of Venus, and the conspiracy of 9/11 on a sub-forum of an internet Denver Broncos football message board.

If that isn't reason enough to ban you (because you're not here for the Broncos but just to write love letters to your imaginary friends), then it should be reason enough for everyone to finally quit clicking on your asylum threads and giving you an audience you don't deserve.

And with that, I refuse to respond to you ever again. You just aren't worthy of my personal attention (or anyone else's for that matter; I hope they come to realize that).

The Lone Bolt
03-09-2013, 05:56 PM
I've always wondered why others here give you the time of day. Why do they engage you? Why do they acknowledge anything you say as if it was worthy of refutation? It would be best if everyone just turned their back on you and ignored you. Let you create your masturbatory threads but don't even enter them. I suggested once that others avoid you; ignore you; give you a wide berth and just let you self-pleasure yourself in private. But I was largely ignored myself instead. Now you give everyone a good reason to ignore you. You're not here for THEM; the people who respond to you. You're here for the imaginary fairies you think are looking for "Truth(TM)" about the fall of the American Empire, the real history of Venus, and the conspiracy of 9/11 on a sub-forum of an internet Denver Broncos football message board.

If that isn't reason enough to ban you (because you're not here for the Broncos but just to write love letters to your imaginary friends), then it should be reason enough for everyone to finally quit clicking on your asylum threads and giving you an audience you don't deserve.

And with that, I refuse to respond to you ever again. You just aren't worthy of my personal attention (or anyone else's for that matter; I hope they come to realize that).

Gaff's worse nightmare -- I guarantee it -- is to be ignored.

mhgaffney
03-11-2013, 12:03 PM
I've always wondered why others here give you the time of day. Why do they engage you? Why do they acknowledge anything you say as if it was worthy of refutation? It would be best if everyone just turned their back on you and ignored you. Let you create your masturbatory threads but don't even enter them. I suggested once that others avoid you; ignore you; give you a wide berth and just let you self-pleasure yourself in private. But I was largely ignored myself instead. Now you give everyone a good reason to ignore you. You're not here for THEM; the people who respond to you. You're here for the imaginary fairies you think are looking for "Truth(TM)" about the fall of the American Empire, the real history of Venus, and the conspiracy of 9/11 on a sub-forum of an internet Denver Broncos football message board.

If that isn't reason enough to ban you (because you're not here for the Broncos but just to write love letters to your imaginary friends), then it should be reason enough for everyone to finally quit clicking on your asylum threads and giving you an audience you don't deserve.

And with that, I refuse to respond to you ever again. You just aren't worthy of my personal attention (or anyone else's for that matter; I hope they come to realize that).

Hallelujah! Praise the Lord.

One less idiot posting his nonsense on my threads is cause for celebration!

mhgaffney
03-11-2013, 12:12 PM
In his book THE BIG BAMBOOZLE Phil Marshall recounted the story of BCCI, the world's sleaziest bank, according to Time magazine.

When a British magistrate shut the crime bank down in 1991 -- the NY city DA Robert Morgenthau - a legendary investigator -- charged that the US Justice (sic) Department had impeded his attempt to prosecute BCCI here in the US.

Morgenthau was correct. BCCI had been a conduit for CIA covert ops and money laundering. We know for a fact that the Justice Department "cooperated" with the CIA.

The Justice Department was put in the embarrassing position of defending itself from members of Congress - and Morgenthau. See below.

The worldwide "black network" of BCCI continued to exist AFTER the shutdown. Many of the players were carry overs from Iran Contra and would go on to play a role in setting up 9/11.

MHG

Thornburgh Denies U.s. Impeded Investigation Of Worldwide Bank


http://articles.philly.com/1991-07-26/news/25785044_1_bcci-officers-weed-and-seed-sleaziest-bank
By Paul Anderson, Inquirer Washington Bureau
POSTED: July 26, 1991
WASHINGTON — Attorney General Dick Thornburgh yesterday angrily denied that the Justice Department had helped cover up illegal operations by the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), the worldwide conglomerate shut down earlier this month because of money laundering and other crimes.

"The only agency on the face of this Earth that has taken effective action against BCCI is the U.S. Department of Justice," Thornburgh told a House panel.

He cited the 1990 convictions of five BCCI officers in Tampa, Fla., on money-laundering charges, as well as imposition of a $15 million fine against the bank.

Customs investigators based in Florida began their investigation of BCCI in 1986, he said, and the evidence they found led to the eventual seizure of bank offices by regulators in eight countries.

Thornburgh grew angry after Rep. Frank J. Guarini (D., N.J.) read from the cover story in this week's issue of Time magazine, which called BCCI "the world's sleaziest bank."

The article cited accusations by state prosecutors and bank regulators in Florida, New York and other states that Justice Department officials had impeded their investigations into local BCCI operations. Time said the principal reason was that the bank worked with the CIA to finance covert operations. The CIA denies that.

"I hope for the sake of the department this type of allegation is dispelled by your subsequent actions," Guarini told Thornburgh.

mhgaffney
03-11-2013, 05:53 PM
What does it take to shut down a bank?

A senator asks a simple question to a Treasury Dept attorney: What does it take -- how much money does a bank have to launder before you shut them down?

Listen to the waffling -- and understand that banks are above the law.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34245.htm

Btw, HSBC is the bank that absorbed Riggs Bank after Riggs was shut down -- as a result of the 9/11-related investigation of Prince Bandar's Riggs bank account.


MHG

mhgaffney
03-12-2013, 08:19 AM
Phillip Marshall's website is gone....

He mentions it in the book. He had posted documents and links. All gone now.

Don't believe me? Check it out:

www.thebigbamboozle.com