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Willynowei
02-10-2013, 12:11 PM
Talking in a more aggressive tone and adding insults doesn't cover up the fact that you're wrong. 8% has nothing to do with servers, it's the baseline for the establishment, not the servers.

Yeah, reposting the part of your link that proved you incorrect isn't the best path to take in this discussion...

LOL LOL LOL LOL This is hilarious, is it really worth it to argue w/ me instead of really doing your homework on this subject and actually learning something?

Okay, i'm not even going to help you two ****ing idiots out. Go ahead, figure that **** out, then prove me and my condescending ass incorrect (I'll give you a slight hint, its impossible cause I'm correct). Until then, I'm TELLING you that you have no clue, and you need to do some homework before trying to pretend you know what you're talking about, how's that?

DHallblows
02-10-2013, 12:51 PM
I think that's been my issue all along...I haven't been putting 6 identical emoticons in my responses.

Play2win
02-10-2013, 01:30 PM
Taxes wouldn't be so bad, if we weren't so over freakin' Taxed every time we went out to eat.

I don't care if it's 15% or 20% that's still way too much to get taxed, just to get a mfing meal.

Beantown Bronco
02-10-2013, 03:10 PM
I don't care if it's 15% or 20% that's still way too much to get taxed, just to get a mfing meal.

Solution = grocery store + cook yourself + serve yourself + clear table + do your own dishes.

TheReverend
02-10-2013, 03:45 PM
Solution = grocery store + cook yourself + serve yourself + clear table + do your own dishes.

This.

And if people were more concerned with the calorie density in meals when they ate out instead of tip and tax %, we wouldnt have nearly the obesity and healthcare issues that we currently do.

cutthemdown
02-10-2013, 03:53 PM
Don't forget to tip musicians and the bands! Even if they stink you tip them to stop.

GreatBronco16
02-10-2013, 03:55 PM
Solution = grocery store + cook yourself + serve yourself + clear table + do your own dishes.

That's why I'm married with children.:)

Requiem
02-10-2013, 04:00 PM
I'd rather spend $20 bucks on groceries a week getting bomb food and make meals for myself than go out and spend $20 bucks on a microwaved bake potato and crappy burger from most joints. All it takes is a little effort. The amount of people I see at the drive thru's when I'm going down main street on lunch break is insane. No wonder everyone is fat and ugly.

Play2win
02-10-2013, 04:47 PM
Solution = grocery store + cook yourself + serve yourself + clear table + do your own dishes.

And a heck of a lot healthier and cleaner for you in many cases. :)

Especially down here in florida... Horror stories... Don't ever go to a all-U-can-eat buffet in florida... ugh!~

Play2win
02-10-2013, 04:50 PM
Don't forget to tip musicians and the bands! Even if they stink you tip them to stop.

Now that I'm all for... :thumbsup:

tesnyde
02-10-2013, 04:50 PM
Jason's Deli = good food + healthy options + free ice cream cone for kids + no tip= happy dad

SportinOne
02-10-2013, 10:26 PM
20% is standard, not 18. Don't be cheap, this is how servers make a living...

Now delivery guys on the other hand....

What does that mean???

I'm a delivery driver myself (chinese), and I make waiter's wage plus a one dollar delivery fee for all orders under $15. Often, on a big order that is close to the edge of our delivery radius, it probably figures out mathematically that I am paying to deliver the food if they don't tip. Most nights I make out pretty well but it's also highly stressful (many many deliveries and lots of car/foot traffic to maneuver... plus many drunks and people that have busted door bells/buzzers and don't answer their phones [multiple trips, awesome!]).

Long story short, many drivers don't make minimum wage and aside from the conditional delivery fees are not reimbursed for gas/car maintenance. Please tip your delivery drivers if you are satisfied with their service. :thumbs:

Beantown Bronco
02-11-2013, 06:55 AM
Don't ever go to a all-U-can-eat buffet in florida... ugh!~

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That One Guy
02-11-2013, 08:38 AM
What does that mean???

I'm a delivery driver myself (chinese), and I make waiter's wage plus a one dollar delivery fee for all orders under $15. Often, on a big order that is close to the edge of our delivery radius, it probably figures out mathematically that I am paying to deliver the food if they don't tip. Most nights I make out pretty well but it's also highly stressful (many many deliveries and lots of car/foot traffic to maneuver... plus many drunks and people that have busted door bells/buzzers and don't answer their phones [multiple trips, awesome!]).

Long story short, many drivers don't make minimum wage and aside from the conditional delivery fees are not reimbursed for gas/car maintenance. Please tip your delivery drivers if you are satisfied with their service. :thumbs:

What is fair in this department? I usually do like $3 but there's really no precedent.

Eldorado
02-11-2013, 08:57 AM
This.

And if people were more concerned with the calorie density in meals when they ate out instead of tip and tax %, we wouldnt have nearly the obesity and healthcare issues that we currently do.

You callin' me fat, a$$hole?

JDB7821
02-11-2013, 11:17 AM
What does that mean???

I'm a delivery driver myself (chinese), and I make waiter's wage plus a one dollar delivery fee for all orders under $15. Often, on a big order that is close to the edge of our delivery radius, it probably figures out mathematically that I am paying to deliver the food if they don't tip. Most nights I make out pretty well but it's also highly stressful (many many deliveries and lots of car/foot traffic to maneuver... plus many drunks and people that have busted door bells/buzzers and don't answer their phones [multiple trips, awesome!]).

Long story short, many drivers don't make minimum wage and aside from the conditional delivery fees are not reimbursed for gas/car maintenance. Please tip your delivery drivers if you are satisfied with their service. :thumbs:

I'm a delivery driver as well, but in a much better situation than you apparently. I get $8.25 an hour (NOT standard, but $7.25 is) and .89 per delivery. It's rare that I make less than $17/hr without the .89 reimbursement that I don't include because I don't feel it's income.

JDB7821
02-11-2013, 11:20 AM
What is fair in this department? I usually do like $3 but there's really no precedent.

$3 is about the average all tips come out to be. $5 is pretty awesome and $10 can make even the most depressed delivery person's day.

cutthemdown
02-11-2013, 02:55 PM
i think delivery drivers should get paid enough to not need a tip. Valet you have to tip, and for godssake men don't take a mint from bathroom attendent and not tip the dude. One of my favorite people to tip is the old black man who works one of the bathrooms at a posh restaurant my band sometimes gets gigs at. He has everything a man could need in a fix!.

GreatBronco16
02-11-2013, 06:02 PM
i think delivery drivers should get paid enough to not need a tip. Valet you have to tip, and for godssake men don't take a mint from bathroom attendent and not tip the dude. One of my favorite people to tip is the old black man who works one of the bathrooms at a posh restaurant my band sometimes gets gigs at. He has everything a man could need in a fix!.

I've never been to a place that had a bathroom attendant. But if I'm going to tip that guy that has mints and gives you a towel to dry your hands, than that mofo is going to wipe my ass with some baby wipes.

That One Guy
02-11-2013, 06:42 PM
I've never been to a place that had a bathroom attendant. But if I'm going to tip that guy that has mints and gives you a towel to dry your hands, than that mofo is going to wipe my ass with some baby wipes.

I think everywhere I've been that had bathroom attendants also had women getting nekked for $1 bills. I wonder if that says something about me...

chadta
02-11-2013, 06:57 PM
I think everywhere I've been that had bathroom attendants also had women getting nekked for $1 bills. I wonder if that says something about me...

In myrtle beach I was at a place that had a female bathroom attendant, she had the top hat and suspenders on, looked better than half the girls on stage.

That One Guy
02-11-2013, 07:08 PM
In myrtle beach I was at a place that had a female bathroom attendant, she had the top hat and suspenders on, looked better than half the girls on stage.

I f'ing hate when that happens. I've never had the chick in the bathroom (that's just asking for trouble) but I've been to a few before peak times when the waitresses outclassed the dancers so bad it wasn't even funny. Not always because the dancers were that bad, either. Just some hot chicks will push it to cocktail waitressing then tease us as they won't take the last step.

That One Guy
02-11-2013, 07:09 PM
Oh, and am I the only one that hears "Myrtle Beach" and "stripper" in the same sentence and thinks, "LOL Should've stayed in Texas, bitch"?

broncocalijohn
02-12-2013, 12:33 AM
In myrtle beach I was at a place that had a female bathroom attendant, she had the top hat and suspenders on, looked better than half the girls on stage.

So when did you quit your job and take her back to her hometown and get her knocked up?

Tombstone RJ
02-12-2013, 01:27 PM
A woman bathroom attendant in a men's bathroom, really, this happens? That's just wrong. I feel horrible for the gal who has that job.

Do women's rooms have bathroom attendants, or just men's rooms? I've been in men's rooms with bathroom attendants before and I never could figure out why they were there. So, are the in the ladies rooms too?

chadta
02-12-2013, 02:14 PM
So when did you quit your job and take her back to her hometown and get her knocked up?

Glad to see everybody remembers the famous myrtle beach thread.

maven
02-12-2013, 02:38 PM
I will say I do appreciate restaurants that have flat panels or newspapers above the urinals.

maven
02-12-2013, 02:42 PM
What does that mean???

I'm a delivery driver myself (chinese), and I make waiter's wage plus a one dollar delivery fee for all orders under $15. Often, on a big order that is close to the edge of our delivery radius, it probably figures out mathematically that I am paying to deliver the food if they don't tip. Most nights I make out pretty well but it's also highly stressful (many many deliveries and lots of car/foot traffic to maneuver... plus many drunks and people that have busted door bells/buzzers and don't answer their phones [multiple trips, awesome!]).

Long story short, many drivers don't make minimum wage and aside from the conditional delivery fees are not reimbursed for gas/car maintenance. Please tip your delivery drivers if you are satisfied with their service. :thumbs:

Damn, you guys need big tips too?

broncocalijohn
02-12-2013, 11:50 PM
A woman bathroom attendant in a men's bathroom, really, this happens? That's just wrong. I feel horrible for the gal who has that job.

Do women's rooms have bathroom attendants, or just men's rooms? I've been in men's rooms with bathroom attendants before and I never could figure out why they were there. So, are the in the ladies rooms too?

no, because chicks dont tip.

SeedReaver
02-13-2013, 07:32 AM
A woman bathroom attendant in a men's bathroom, really, this happens? That's just wrong. I feel horrible for the gal who has that job.

Do women's rooms have bathroom attendants, or just men's rooms? I've been in men's rooms with bathroom attendants before and I never could figure out why they were there. So, are the in the ladies rooms too?

Yeah I feel horrible too. Especially when she looks all cold, covered up in only thin suspender straps and $1 bills. We should tell her father, I bet he'd give the what-fer to her employer. Oh wait...

DENVERDUI55
02-13-2013, 08:14 AM
The one person I won't tip is the urinal attendant. Sorry I can get my own soap, turn the water on and get a paper towel. I will if I use cologne, bum gum or mouthwash, condom, cigarette etc. Now if they are going to hold my pecker while I piss so I don't have to set my beer down it would be a different story.

broncogary
02-13-2013, 06:03 PM
The one person I won't tip is the urinal attendant. Sorry I can get my own soap, turn the water on and get a paper towel. I will if I use cologne, bum gum or mouthwash, condom, cigarette etc. Now if they are going to hold my pecker while I piss so I don't have to set my beer down it would be a different story.

After all, they have to clean the tweezers. :~ohyah!:

Jesterhole
02-13-2013, 06:41 PM
15% is standard for 'good enough' service. 10% is the min unless the waiter was beyond terrible or ruined your meal. 20%+ is for better than average on up.

I always try to over tip for the most part, because I know that so many people during a day will under tip, and you need those 1-2 people to come through and make up the difference.

It is really bad at lunch, where you are working almost twice as hard for about a 1/3 to 1/2 what you can make at dinner. Nothing worse than two ladies coming in (not to be sexist, but men are just better tippers), ordering a split appetizer and water, separate checks, and leaving you a buck on a $13 bill.

GreatBronco16
02-13-2013, 06:53 PM
Ok, so me and the wife went to the Olive Garden tonight. I was really going to try and tip a nice 20%. Waiter was nice and all, but all he did was take our order, bring our drinks, and bring our salad and breadsticks. Someone else from the back brought us our meal. He checked on us twice and I had to ask for a refill with him standing there looking at my empty glass. Oh yeah, he brings us the check not 5 minutes after we get our meal. Like hurry up, eat and get out. lol. Our meal was $54 and some change. I tipped him $5.00 and that seemed like too much to me for his service. He probably put in a total of 10 minutes worth of work at our table, if that. So that comes out to 30 bucks an hour for him off my tip. Not to mention the other 4 or 5 tables he was working. Hope he enjoys it.

Jesterhole
02-13-2013, 06:56 PM
15% is standard for 'good enough' service. 10% is the min unless the waiter was beyond terrible or ruined your meal. 20%+ is for better than average on up.

I always try to over tip for the most part, because I know that so many people during a day will under tip, and you need those 1-2 people to come through and make up the difference.

It is really bad at lunch, where you are working almost twice as hard for about a 1/3 to 1/2 what you can make at dinner. Nothing worse than two ladies coming in (not to be sexist, but men are just better tippers), ordering a split appetizer and water, separate checks, and leaving you a buck on a $13 bill.

RhymesayersDU
02-13-2013, 07:04 PM
Ok, so me and the wife went to the Olive Garden tonight. I was really going to try and tip a nice 20%. Waiter was nice and all, but all he did was take our order, bring our drinks, and bring our salad and breadsticks. Someone else from the back brought us our meal. He checked on us twice and I had to ask for a refill with him standing there looking at my empty glass. Oh yeah, he brings us the check not 5 minutes after we get our meal. Like hurry up, eat and get out. lol. Our meal was $54 and some change. I tipped him $5.00 and that seemed like too much to me for his service. He probably put in a total of 10 minutes worth of work at our table, if that. So that comes out to 30 bucks an hour for him off my tip. Not to mention the other 4 or 5 tables he was working. Hope he enjoys it.

I've seen some incredible rationalization on this board, but this drivel is up near the top.

GreatBronco16
02-13-2013, 07:14 PM
I've seen some incredible rationalization on this board, but this drivel is up near the top.

Well I'm sorry if you don't like it. Next time I'll call the national server tipping hotline for advice before my next tip.

RhymesayersDU
02-13-2013, 08:00 PM
Why would you apologize to me? You don't make much sense, do you?

That One Guy
02-13-2013, 08:16 PM
Well I'm sorry if you don't like it. Next time I'll call the national server tipping hotline for advice before my next tip.

You have to remember many people have their own agendas - especially on a topic like tipping. Then you also have those who really have no agenda in the tipping world but giving an overly generous tip can be a way for them to impress (or feel like they are) and look like they're doing a good deed. Just too many different things in play to be offended by some tool trying to call you out.

RhymesayersDU
02-13-2013, 08:23 PM
I love that tipping more than 9.26% = being overly generous or trying to impress people.

Look, no agenda here. If you don't believe in tipping, that's your personal choice. But just say so. No need for a story to convince people you're right.

That One Guy
02-13-2013, 08:29 PM
I love that tipping more than 9.26% = being overly generous or trying to impress people.

Look, no agenda here. If you don't believe in tipping, that's your personal choice. But just say so. No need for a story to convince people you're right.

****ty service equals ****ty tip. If he felt the service was poor and gave a poor tip in kind, that's fair. There's a lot of people that want to shout from the mountaintops that they're good tippers, want to come screaming to the defense of anyone that lives off tips, and wants to sell a sob story to anyone that'll listen about the tough life of a tip-earning worker. If you're not one of them, why be a dick because he gave the tip he thought the person earned? Were you watching over his shoulder and know a different story than the one he relayed?

GreatBronco16
02-13-2013, 08:38 PM
Why would you apologize to me? You don't make much sense, do you?

Actually, I made perfect sense. You getting bent out of shape because I didn't tip in a way that you would for sub-par service doesn't make you right. I could have just not left him a damn thing and I still would have felt fine.

GreatBronco16
02-13-2013, 08:39 PM
Were you watching over his shoulder and know a different story than the one he relayed?

Awe hell, he might have been my server for all I know.:giggle:

RhymesayersDU
02-13-2013, 08:57 PM
****ty service equals ****ty tip. If he felt the service was poor and gave a poor tip in kind, that's fair. There's a lot of people that want to shout from the mountaintops that they're good tippers, want to come screaming to the defense of anyone that lives off tips, and wants to sell a sob story to anyone that'll listen about the tough life of a tip-earning worker. If you're not one of them, why be a dick because he gave the tip he thought the person earned? Were you watching over his shoulder and know a different story than the one he relayed?

No, clearly I wasn't looking over his shoulder. I'm just going by what he typed. He starts saying he really wanted to tip 20%. On his $54 meal, that's $10.80. He left $5 instead. Less than half that. Read his post again. The service doesn't sound bad. The server didn't offer him a drink, that's about it.

Some people you just can't please in this business. They're going to find any reason (i.e., "the bill got brought too early and it totally ruined my night!") to stiff a guy or complain. He probably fished for a free dessert from the manager too.

Here's the thing. No sob story from me. My Dad owns and has owned various restaurants throughout my life. It's what he does. I've done everything from bus to manage. Now again, no sob story. I'm not going to tell you it's so hard. Because it's not. And this isn't a moral issue, either. It's not anyone's responsibility to make sure a waiter has food on his table when he gets home.

But let's not make up things in our heads to justify it. Just be honest. Just say you're not big on tipping. That's fine. This is America. We're free to make our own decisions. That paragraph was him trying to justify his actions to this board. Just be honest, that's all.

RhymesayersDU
02-13-2013, 08:58 PM
Actually, I made perfect sense. You getting bent out of shape because I didn't tip in a way that you would for sub-par service doesn't make you right. I could have just not left him a damn thing and I still would have felt fine.

And that's your right as an American. But just say you don't like tipping in general. Honesty is the best policy.

broncocalijohn
02-13-2013, 09:06 PM
I've seen some incredible rationalization on this board, but this drivel is up near the top.

It was probably around $50 without tax (which is what you tax on, the sub total). So his $5 tip was 10%. He didn't like the service.

While I agree it seemed like some excuses built in ($30 an hour comment was laughable), it wasn't a horrific tip. My question would be, "How did you spend $54 on just two people at Olive Garden?"

BTW, patrons don't tip based on what the waiter did. You tip on everything. Who cares if 2 people served you or 5 people did. They split the tips at the end of the night.

gunns
02-13-2013, 10:01 PM
You'd just have to pay more for food. Tipping zero percent is never okay.

No, what's not ok is bad service. Tipping has always been a way to show appreciation for good service, basically a job well done. I often tip 30 to 50%, I truly appreciate someone who goes above and beyond to make my visit special.

I will even analyze poor service....it's late in the day, it's extremely busy. Poor service doesn't always mean bad service, it's someone doing the best they can under the circumstances and I will tip them at least 20%. But rudeness and bad service are intolerable. Whether you want to work there or not, if you are pissed at the low wages, if you want to make the money you can in tips, then earn it or find another job. It's not my job to support you, it's yours.

DHallblows
02-13-2013, 10:18 PM
It was probably around $50 without tax (which is what you tax on, the sub total). So his $5 tip was 10%. He didn't like the service.

While I agree it seemed like some excuses built in ($30 an hour comment was laughable), it wasn't a horrific tip. My question would be, "How did you spend $54 on just two people at Olive Garden?"

BTW, patrons don't tip based on what the waiter did. You tip on everything. Who cares if 2 people served you or 5 people did. They split the tips at the end of the night.

Correct. The confusing part of his story was his issue with multiple people waiting on him...how in the world does that change your tip ???

That One Guy
02-14-2013, 05:59 AM
Correct. The confusing part of his story was his issue with multiple people waiting on him...how in the world does that change your tip ???

I took it more as a "What was the guy doing?" since he wasn't there to take care of them than offense at someone else doing part of the guy's job.

That One Guy
02-14-2013, 06:06 AM
No, clearly I wasn't looking over his shoulder. I'm just going by what he typed. He starts saying he really wanted to tip 20%. On his $54 meal, that's $10.80. He left $5 instead. Less than half that. Read his post again. The service doesn't sound bad. The server didn't offer him a drink, that's about it.

Some people you just can't please in this business. They're going to find any reason (i.e., "the bill got brought too early and it totally ruined my night!") to stiff a guy or complain. He probably fished for a free dessert from the manager too.

Here's the thing. No sob story from me. My Dad owns and has owned various restaurants throughout my life. It's what he does. I've done everything from bus to manage. Now again, no sob story. I'm not going to tell you it's so hard. Because it's not. And this isn't a moral issue, either. It's not anyone's responsibility to make sure a waiter has food on his table when he gets home.

But let's not make up things in our heads to justify it. Just be honest. Just say you're not big on tipping. That's fine. This is America. We're free to make our own decisions. That paragraph was him trying to justify his actions to this board. Just be honest, that's all.

There's really not that much to do, though. Something like offering (or not offering) a drink can be one of the half dozen interactions you might have with the waitress so it can be quite disproportionate when you look back at the evening's service.

I don't think I realized you were criticizing his story more than just the tip. I interpreted that wrong and thought you were jumping on him for an opportunity to call him cheap. As long as everyone agrees bad service should equal bad tip, I guess we see eye to eye.

Play2win
02-14-2013, 07:33 AM
I've seen some incredible rationalization on this board, but this drivel is up near the top.

I think the bigest rationalization is that somehow the business owners think that even after paying for the goods and services, its the customer's responsibility to also pay the employee's wages. That's the employer's responsibility.

But, just like the rule of law, you might not like it, but it is what it is. If you're going to play you got to pay. I usually end up tipping out 18-20%.

But it is a big deterrent, I've pretty much stopped going to the olive gardens, bennigans, outbacks and applebees of the world. It's got to be a place with great added value to me, where I can really believe it's worth the tip. There's got to be something about the place that really makes my dayŚ great food, great people, great atmosphere, great location/view. If I have a great experience, then I feel more than happy to tip. But if it is a place that is not going to leave me feeling "WOW", then they can look for their business elsewhere, because they're not worth the tip.

RhymesayersDU
02-14-2013, 08:27 AM
As long as everyone agrees bad service should equal bad tip, I guess we see eye to eye.

Oh we definitely see eye to eye. I'm always amused by the standard "I used to work as a waiter" song and dance people love to do. Are there going to be legitimate instances where people are cheap asses? Sure. But if you mess up, you deserve to get dinged. It happens to everyone, but somehow these stories fail to get told in threads like these.

I remember one; I once wrote down a table's order, put my pad in my pocket, got sidetracked and forgot to put the order in for a solid 20 minutes. The table was upset. They tipped me pretty low. And here's the kicker: I absolutely deserved it. I didn't bitch or complain. When errors like this happen, it's actually better to reduce the tip. Guess who didn't make that mistake again? This guy.

Waiters love to tell the stories of the times they got "unjustly" stiffed. They don't like telling the stories of the times they provided bad service, or even worse provided bad service but got tipped 20% anyways out of guilt. Somehow those stories fall through the cracks.

That One Guy
02-14-2013, 12:09 PM
Oh we definitely see eye to eye. I'm always amused by the standard "I used to work as a waiter" song and dance people love to do. Are there going to be legitimate instances where people are cheap asses? Sure. But if you mess up, you deserve to get dinged. It happens to everyone, but somehow these stories fail to get told in threads like these.

I remember one; I once wrote down a table's order, put my pad in my pocket, got sidetracked and forgot to put the order in for a solid 20 minutes. The table was upset. They tipped me pretty low. And here's the kicker: I absolutely deserved it. I didn't b**** or complain. When errors like this happen, it's actually better to reduce the tip. Guess who didn't make that mistake again? This guy.

Waiters love to tell the stories of the times they got "unjustly" stiffed. They don't like telling the stories of the times they provided bad service, or even worse provided bad service but got tipped 20% anyways out of guilt. Somehow those stories fall through the cracks.

Awesome post. You don't get this perspective very often.

GreatBronco16
02-14-2013, 12:25 PM
No, clearly I wasn't looking over his shoulder. I'm just going by what he typed. He starts saying he really wanted to tip 20%. On his $54 meal, that's $10.80. He left $5 instead. Less than half that. Read his post again. The service doesn't sound bad. The server didn't offer him a drink, that's about it.

Me really wanting to tip 20% was because of what I kept reading in this thread. I normally tip at most 15%. I set my standards a little higher last night I guess. His service wasn't worth a 10 dollar tip plain and simple.

Some people you just can't please in this business. They're going to find any reason (i.e., "the bill got brought too early and it totally ruined my night!") to stiff a guy or complain. He probably fished for a free dessert from the manager too.

I'm sorry, but if you want to quote me, then quote me correctly instead of something to fit your special agenda against me. I never said that it totally ruined my night. I find that what he did with the check as being rude. Never have I had the check brought to me just after I get my main course. Also, no, I didn't try to get anything for free. We paid, then left.

Here's the thing. No sob story from me. My Dad owns and has owned various restaurants throughout my life. It's what he does. I've done everything from bus to manage. Now again, no sob story. I'm not going to tell you it's so hard. Because it's not. And this isn't a moral issue, either. It's not anyone's responsibility to make sure a waiter has food on his table when he gets home.

Gee I don't know, that sure sounds like a sob story if I ever heard one.

But let's not make up things in our heads to justify it. Just be honest. Just say you're not big on tipping. That's fine. This is America. We're free to make our own decisions. That paragraph was him trying to justify his actions to this board. Just be honest, that's all.

Oh so now I'm just making things up on how the night went when my wife and I went out for dinner. No I'm sorry, but that was how the service went. You don't like these kinds of stories when they happen so you claim that the ones they happen to are just lying. So once again, I wasn't trying to justify anything. My experience fit in with exactly what this thread is about. You don't like, I don't care. YOU just need to get over yourself.

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