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TheElusiveKyleOrton
02-06-2013, 01:37 PM
I don't see it this way, not even remotely... just wonder if he knows something we don't.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21651629/cap-casualty-season-here-are-some-likely-bigname-victims

Rabb
02-06-2013, 01:41 PM
anus

well, you know the rest

Tombstone RJ
02-06-2013, 01:44 PM
Perhaps more speculation than anything?

razorwire77
02-06-2013, 01:46 PM
Champ will restructure. He's got a ton of money, he's been part of the community for a decade and he's on a team in a weak division that's built for a run. Sure he could probably sign with a dump franchise like the Jags or Bills for a bit more scratch, but what's the point? If anything, I could see him getting moved to be more of a big nickel DB that you move into the box and ball hawk shallow crossing routes digs etc.

cutthemdown
02-06-2013, 01:48 PM
Champ isn't really better then Harris at this point anymore. At some point is he worth what he is getting paid? I think Champ should take a big pay cut to stay and try to win a Superbowl. Broncos paid him well, he's at the end, he is missing a ring. Champ should say he will play for about 3 million a yr, use the rest to go out and get more help, win this thing.

If Champ, after how he played in playoffs, not willing to take a big pay cut to help team I then question how important winning it all is to him.

TonyR
02-06-2013, 01:54 PM
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/revisiting-talk-of-revis-to-denver

DBroncos4life
02-06-2013, 01:56 PM
The list of CB's that could be cut is epic. With the deep rookie class this might be a bad year to be making more then 5 million a season at CB. Eric Wright, Dunta Robinson, Carlos Rodgers, Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, and Chris Gamble could join a pretty deep free agent class.

Lestat
02-06-2013, 01:58 PM
Champ will be with the Broncos next year. would love to see us add Revis to pair with him but it depends on the price.

UberBroncoMan
02-06-2013, 02:00 PM
Champ will be with the Broncos next year. would love to see us add Revis to pair with him but it depends on the price.

In that scenario I'd drop Mike Adams, and move Champ to SS. He's got great tackling ability.

cutthemdown
02-06-2013, 02:00 PM
I don't see how broncos can pay champ that much after his pathetic playoffs and lack of big plays last couple years. If Champ won't play for say 5-6 million I say time to bite the bullet.

razorwire77
02-06-2013, 02:00 PM
No way the Jets are getting a first rounder for Revis in this market.

cutthemdown
02-06-2013, 02:01 PM
In that scenario I'd drop Mike Adams, and move Champ to SS. He's got great tackling ability.

A 10 million dollar a yr safety who is 35 yrs old? It won't happen.

razorwire77
02-06-2013, 02:06 PM
I don't see how broncos can pay champ that much after his pathetic playoffs and lack of big plays last couple years. If Champ won't play for say 5-6 million I say time to bite the bullet.

They won't. He'll restructure.

ludo21
02-06-2013, 02:14 PM
champ is not moving top safety....he is moving off the team!

;D

gosh i hope not, I love me some Champ

NFLBRONCO
02-06-2013, 02:30 PM
Love champ

With Manning here I'd be shocked
Without Manning I could see it
He'll restructure

teknic
02-06-2013, 02:46 PM
I would be pissed if they release Champ. Granted, his salary is a little steep, but it makes no sense to release a veteran who can still contribute at a high level when Manning's window may be 2-3 years to win a superbowl.

Ideally, I'd like to see Champ restructure his contract and move to safety. The Broncos have brought along Moore as the deep center fielder, but I think that position would be the ideal role for an aging Bailey. He gets to sit back and watch the play develop, reading route combinations and the quarterback. If not his permanent position, Bailey could play a role similar to Leonard/Bruton as the third safety. His tackling is solid and he still has the ability to be a huge playmaker for this defense.

We have some young talent at corner, specifically Harris, but I think the Broncos will still look to add another corner to the roster via trade or the draft. I'm not sold on Tony Carter as the second corner, mainly because of his size. His instincts and quickness are great, but it's difficult to stop a receiver that has 6 inches on you height-wise. I would cream my pants if the Broncos could acquire Revis for a reasonable price and field Revis+Harris at corner, Carter/Bolden at nickel, Champ at FS (similar role to Moore's current role), and a solid run-support safety like Carter at SS.

Beantown Bronco
02-06-2013, 02:50 PM
The next piece of speculative "breaking" news La Canfora gets right will be the first.

enjolras
02-06-2013, 02:53 PM
Bowlen has them operating on a tight budget

The old Bowlen is out of money thing again. It's complete B.S. This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

Lestat
02-06-2013, 03:14 PM
In that scenario I'd drop Mike Adams, and move Champ to SS. He's got great tackling ability.

i'd drop Adams anyway, hello Matt Elam!
but you put Champ and Revis on the WR's, Moore at one of the safety spots and Elam at the other. secondary problem solved.


and yes i know it's not that easy.

Kaylore
02-06-2013, 04:01 PM
La Confora is no Schefter. Some speculated once Schefter left NFL Network he would lose his big scoops. They tried to prop up La Confora as a suitable replacement and failed.

This is more about looking at contracts that have are a bit backloaded on aging players. Champ is technically included because he's in his mid thirties and getting paid like he's 25.

BroncoBeavis
02-06-2013, 04:40 PM
I would be pissed if they release Champ. Granted, his salary is a little steep, but it makes no sense to release a veteran who can still contribute at a high level when Manning's window may be 2-3 years to win a superbowl.

Ideally, I'd like to see Champ restructure his contract and move to safety. The Broncos have brought along Moore as the deep center fielder, but I think that position would be the ideal role for an aging Bailey. He gets to sit back and watch the play develop, reading route combinations and the quarterback. If not his permanent position, Bailey could play a role similar to Leonard/Bruton as the third safety. His tackling is solid and he still has the ability to be a huge playmaker for this defense.

We have some young talent at corner, specifically Harris, but I think the Broncos will still look to add another corner to the roster via trade or the draft. I'm not sold on Tony Carter as the second corner, mainly because of his size. His instincts and quickness are great, but it's difficult to stop a receiver that has 6 inches on you height-wise. I would cream my pants if the Broncos could acquire Revis for a reasonable price and field Revis+Harris at corner, Carter/Bolden at nickel, Champ at FS (similar role to Moore's current role), and a solid run-support safety like Carter at SS.

I'd love to see Champ move to safety some day. But there's nothing indicating to me that should be next year. Until we have two corners on the roster better than Champ Bailey, he's better for us where he is. And I just don't see that being the case next season.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
02-06-2013, 05:00 PM
Here is the cheapest option. Restructure Champ from $11 mill to $6mill. Move Champ to FS, Q Carter at SS, Chris Harris at LCB and Tony Carter/ 1st/ 2nd round pick at RCB. Thoughts?

extralife
02-06-2013, 05:04 PM
god you are all so dumb.

we're in the middle of a super bowl run. champ is a hall of fame denver bronco. he was just second team all pro.

LETS CUT HIM OR MOVE HIM TO A NEW POSITION

why?

I DUNNO IT IS LIKE A TALKING POINT ON THE RADIO SO I GUESS I HAVE TO CONSIDER IT.

wake the **** up, people. if any of this discussion happened a month ago you'd all be laughing.

RhymesayersDU
02-06-2013, 05:20 PM
You. Shut up.

eddie mac
02-06-2013, 05:32 PM
Who said Bowlen was tight with money?

We carried nearly $40m of cap into the 2012 season, so that's $160m total, we left $11.5m on the table so you work out how much we spent last year. 2nd highest payroll in the NFL in 2012

Eldorado
02-06-2013, 05:38 PM
Here is the cheapest option. Restructure Champ from $11 mill to $6mill. Move Champ to FS, Q Carter at SS, Chris Harris at LCB and Tony Carter/ 1st/ 2nd round pick at RCB. Thoughts?

Sounds ****ing stupid.

Heyneck
02-06-2013, 05:45 PM
Stupid is what stupid does...

Smilin Assassin
02-06-2013, 05:50 PM
Champ played at a great level all year.

Yes, he had a rough game vs Baltimore. But, if the organization saw this as reason to part w/him, I'd be highly shocked/disappointed.

Not gonna happen,

Tombstone RJ
02-06-2013, 06:03 PM
Here is the cheapest option. Restructure Champ from $11 mill to $6mill. Move Champ to FS, Q Carter at SS, Chris Harris at LCB and Tony Carter/ 1st/ 2nd round pick at RCB. Thoughts?

this is a great idea!... said nobody ever.

Agamemnon
02-06-2013, 06:07 PM
I really don't see Champ going anywhere. The guy wants a championship before he retires and this team appears to be on the brink. He'll restructure if that's what it requires to stay on the team.

Heyneck
02-06-2013, 06:07 PM
I don't see how broncos can pay champ that much after his pathetic playoffs and lack of big plays last couple years. If Champ won't play for say 5-6 million I say time to bite the bullet.

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/207341-1/Dalai-Lama-glasses-lasers.gif?_cfgetx=img.rx:300;img.ry:250;

Agamemnon
02-06-2013, 06:09 PM
Sounds ****ing stupid.

Champ at safety would actually improve our secondary right now. He's lost a step but his instincts are off the charts. He'd make far more plays for us as safety than at corner.

ZONA
02-06-2013, 06:36 PM
Would love Champ at safety with a hefty pay cut. Use that to help bring in Revis and give the Jets our 1st round pick (it's not like it's a high pick anyway and Revis is well worth it). Facts are facts, Champ has lost a step or 2 and him roaming around back there he doesn't have to have the same speed a CB does. Then we add a MLB and DT and I think that's an improvement on defense without question. Champ at safety if you have Revis at CB could really help against TE's also because I think Champ can cover TE's. He's got decent size, good tackling and not many TE's are gonna blaze past champ like some of these WR's have.

DO IT

Heyneck
02-06-2013, 06:43 PM
Would love Champ at safety with a hefty pay cut. Use that to help bring in Revis and give the Jets our 1st round pick (it's not like it's a high pick anyway and Revis is well worth it). Facts are facts, Champ has lost a step or 2 and him roaming around back there he doesn't have to have the same speed a CB does. Then we add a MLB and DT and I think that's an improvement on defense without question. Champ at safety if you have Revis at CB could really help against TE's also because I think Champ can cover TE's. He's got decent size, good tackling and not many TE's are gonna blaze past champ like some of these WR's have.

DO IT

You want to pay 15mil a year for a CB coming of an ACL?

HorseHead
02-06-2013, 06:43 PM
Wow...

This is some Mensa Convention going on in here...

1 bad play in a play off game..

UberBroncoMan
02-06-2013, 06:43 PM
Here is the cheapest option. Restructure Champ from $11 mill to $6mill. Move Champ to FS, Q Carter at SS, Chris Harris at LCB and Tony Carter/ 1st/ 2nd round pick at RCB. Thoughts?

We're definitely not giving up on Rahim Moore. Until his meltdown vs the Ravens he had a solid year and a monumental improvement over his rookie season.

Eldorado
02-06-2013, 06:46 PM
Champ at safety would actually improve our secondary right now. He's lost a step but his instincts are off the charts. He'd make far more plays for us as safety than at corner.

You're assuming you can get comparable play at his vacated spot.

BroncosfanGuy
02-06-2013, 06:48 PM
On the flip side, headline could read La Canfora: Bailey might remain with the Broncos next year
This is like a Bill Williamson blog, but with a few hundred more words. I don't think La Canfora has an in with Denver and I doubt Denver gives up on a top flight CB (Yes, he's still a top flight CB) while in win now mode

KipCorrington25
02-06-2013, 07:03 PM
He probably meant Rahim Moore but couldn't tell them apart after watching the Ravens game.

*WARHORSE*
02-06-2013, 07:24 PM
Champ is not moving to safety. Champ will be playing corner same as last year, at his current price.

Champ isnt going anywhere.

Mogulseeker
02-06-2013, 07:31 PM
Champ will restructure. He's got a ton of money, he's been part of the community for a decade and he's on a team in a weak division that's built for a run. Sure he could probably sign with a dump franchise like the Jags or Bills for a bit more scratch, but what's the point? If anything, I could see him getting moved to be more of a big nickel DB that you move into the box and ball hawk shallow crossing routes digs etc.

Big nickel FTW.

Draft a Corner and use Champ to cover TEs.

BroncoMan4ever
02-06-2013, 07:54 PM
What is this assumption that a guy can just switch positions and dominate? Champ is a great CB that doesn't mean he'd be a great Safety. Look a DUI Williams, really good WILL, but trash at the SAM and MIKE. That is a similar situation to what everyone seems to want to do with Champ.

TheReverend
02-06-2013, 08:02 PM
The old Bowlen is out of money thing again. It's complete B.S. This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

Okay, put it to rest. When was the last time the Broncos operated close to the cap, again?

Jetmeck
02-06-2013, 08:16 PM
The list of CB's that could be cut is epic. With the deep rookie class this might be a bad year to be making more then 5 million a season at CB. Eric Wright, Dunta Robinson, Carlos Rodgers, Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, and Chris Gamble could join a pretty deep free agent class.


Heh stupid Champ Bailey aint going anywhere.............

Jetmeck
02-06-2013, 08:18 PM
Champ played at a great level all year.

Yes, he had a rough game vs Baltimore. But, if the organization saw this as reason to part w/him, I'd be highly shocked/disappointed.

Not gonna happen,


Exactly. I want to thank you for restoring my faith that all humanity are morons.....................

So much stupidity in this thread.........

DENVERDUI55
02-06-2013, 08:31 PM
What is this assumption that a guy can just switch positions and dominate? Champ is a great CB that doesn't mean he'd be a great Safety. Look a DUI Williams, really good WILL, but trash at the SAM and MIKE. That is a similar situation to what everyone seems to want to do with Champ.

Because the woodson s did so the mane theory is Champ could just as well. I actually think he could but he will be a cb next year. He is still 1a or 1b and definately better than anyone who would play the 2.

DBroncos4life
02-06-2013, 08:34 PM
Heh stupid Champ Bailey aint going anywhere.............

Hey...... retard.......I just listed every CB that KFFL.com listed as potential cuts hence why I said .............COULD........... LOL ..........
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DBroncos4life
02-06-2013, 08:35 PM
Because the woodson s did so the mane theory is Champ could just as well. I actually think he could but he will be a cb next year. He is still 1a or 1b and definately better than anyone who would play the 2.

Barber as well.

Bigdawg26
02-06-2013, 08:40 PM
I think Champ will definitely be back not just because he's still a top 10 corner but his veteran presence and leadership. I don't think moving Champ to safety is that bad of an idea but i would MUCH rather seeing Eric Reid and Quinton Carter in the secondary together.

BroncoMan4ever
02-06-2013, 08:44 PM
Okay, put it to rest. When was the last time the Broncos operated close to the cap, again?

I see your point and yes it has been awhile since we spent near the full cap amount, but I personally don't think it has to do with Bowlen's finances. With McDaniels our team salary cap had a good deal of dead space because of bad Shanahan deals and under Elway the spending style is different. Not burning cash on big free agebts but instead building through the draft.

This offseason will be the decider on Pat's finances. If we keep our own, Clady, Bruton, Stokley, Vickerson and Carter than we know money isn't a big issue, if we let guys (especially Clady) walk than the rumors may be true

24champ
02-06-2013, 08:57 PM
Here is the cheapest option. Restructure Champ from $11 mill to $6mill. Move Champ to FS, Q Carter at SS, Chris Harris at LCB and Tony Carter/ 1st/ 2nd round pick at RCB. Thoughts?

Champ has specifically said he's not moving to safety for cap reasons.

TheReverend
02-06-2013, 09:07 PM
I see your point and yes it has been awhile since we spent near the full cap amount, but I personally don't think it has to do with Bowlen's finances. With McDaniels our team salary cap had a good deal of dead space because of bad Shanahan deals and under Elway the spending style is different. Not burning cash on big free agebts but instead building through the draft.

This offseason will be the decider on Pat's finances. If we keep our own, Clady, Bruton, Stokley, Vickerson and Carter than we know money isn't a big issue, if we let guys (especially Clady) walk than the rumors may be true

Irrelevant. His gripe was about LaCanfora's comment... which was true.

PS. Your bolded line is bull****.

broncosteven
02-06-2013, 10:03 PM
Champ is still by far the best player in the secondary, Miller is the best defender at this point but Champ had a great 2012 and is still a top 5 CB.

Sure he got burned by a younger WR who is among the fastest in the NFL, Smith has made a lot of guys look bad. San Fran had 2 botched coverages in the SB, the one where Jones (I think) got behind the D and the 3rd down conversion where Flacco chucked it up to Boldin where he was the only one who could make a play on the jump ball.

Champ is worth every bit of that 9.5 mill. Now if the Safeties were in position on any of those 3 deep passes we might be hosting our own SB parade.

Bacchus
02-06-2013, 10:23 PM
god you are all so dumb.

we're in the middle of a super bowl run. champ is a hall of fame denver bronco. he was just second team all pro.

LETS CUT HIM OR MOVE HIM TO A NEW POSITION

why?

I DUNNO IT IS LIKE A TALKING POINT ON THE RADIO SO I GUESS I HAVE TO CONSIDER IT.

wake the **** up, people. if any of this discussion happened a month ago you'd all be laughing.

I don't think the people here realize how much the defense depends on Champ. Much of the defense revolves around him taking out the other team's best CB which he did EVERY game last year except one.

Al Wilson
02-06-2013, 10:23 PM
I love Champ. One of the best Broncos ever. Definitely top 5 of all time, but he has lost a major step this last season. He was exposed in the playoffs.

Al Wilson
02-06-2013, 10:25 PM
Champ is still by far the best player in the secondary, Miller is the best defender at this point but Champ had a great 2012 and is still a top 5 CB.
That's homerism buddy. Chris Harris quietly had a better season than Champ. It was Champ's worst year as a Bronco, and that's a concern because he's up there in age. He's not going to get better, he will regress.

DENVERDUI55
02-06-2013, 10:30 PM
That's homerism buddy. Chris Harris quietly had a better season than Champ. It was Champ's worst year as a Bronco, and that's a concern because he's up there in age. He's not going to get better, he will regress.

I agree Harris had a better year but last year Champ played great and it was far from his worst year.

NFLBRONCO
02-06-2013, 11:00 PM
I agree Harris had a better year but last year Champ played great and it was far from his worst year.

Take a number our stars played well against poor teams. Our stars were nowhere in most of our bigger games. We caught Balt switching OC's in first game. Champ got toasted plenty but, still solid.

yerner
02-06-2013, 11:24 PM
That's homerism buddy. Chris Harris quietly had a better season than Champ. It was Champ's worst year as a Bronco, and that's a concern because he's up there in age. He's not going to get better, he will regress.

You really should look up some analysis of Champs play this year. What you're saying is simply not true.

BroncoMan4ever
02-06-2013, 11:25 PM
Irrelevant. His gripe was about LaCanfora's comment... which was true.

PS. Your bolded line is bull****.

As big of a roster overhaul that occured once McDaniels took over (not saying all good moves) just saying with as many players as were cut, or released there had to be big chunks of dead space. Like it or not Shanahan had a lot of garbage on the roster when he left

NFLBRONCO
02-06-2013, 11:37 PM
If Manning retired I could see Denver cutting costs but, why did they bring in Manning if we plan on cutting Doom Champ etc. Pretty dumb Jason L.

24champ
02-07-2013, 12:15 AM
Would love Champ at safety with a hefty pay cut. Use that to help bring in Revis and give the Jets our 1st round pick (it's not like it's a high pick anyway and Revis is well worth it). Facts are facts, Champ has lost a step or 2 and him roaming around back there he doesn't have to have the same speed a CB does. Then we add a MLB and DT and I think that's an improvement on defense without question. Champ at safety if you have Revis at CB could really help against TE's also because I think Champ can cover TE's. He's got decent size, good tackling and not many TE's are gonna blaze past champ like some of these WR's have.

DO IT

Sounds like you got educated by the Lonelystar School of football management, since you want to:

1.) Have Champ take a hefty paycut and move him to safety.
2.) Back the brinks truck up for Revis, who is coming off an ACL injury to take his spot.
3.) Forgot to mention that you want to throw in a first round pick for Revis.


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orange crusher
02-07-2013, 12:53 AM
La Confora is no Schefter. Some speculated once Schefter left NFL Network he would lose his big scoops. They tried to prop up La Confora as a suitable replacement and failed.

This is more about looking at contracts that have are a bit backloaded on aging players. Champ is technically included because he's in his mid thirties and getting paid like he's 25.

Couldn't agree more. La Confora is no more of an insider than you or me.

lonestar
02-07-2013, 01:53 AM
As big of a roster overhaul that occured once McDaniels took over (not saying all good moves) just saying with as many players as were cut, or released there had to be big chunks of dead space. Like it or not Shanahan had a lot of garbage on the roster when he left

Finally something to agree on. Was not sure I'd see the day.
:thumbs:

HILife
02-07-2013, 05:35 AM
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/revisiting-talk-of-revis-to-denver

L.O.L.S. JETS JETS JETS!!!!!

DENVERDUI55
02-07-2013, 06:43 AM
Take a number our stars played well against poor teams. Our stars were nowhere in most of our bigger games. We caught Balt switching OC's in first game. Champ got toasted plenty but, still solid.

What game did he get toasted in? I know Green had a long catch or two but guess what he did that to everyone. Denver held him in check really. List who toasted Champ in regular season please.

Bacchus
02-07-2013, 07:02 AM
What game did he get toasted in? I know Green had a long catch or too but guess what he did that to everyone. Denver held him in check really. List who toasted Champ in regular season please.

Funny how they say Green toasted him but I believe he had something Like 89 yards receiving and 15-25 of them were not against Champ. How many WRs had 100 yards receiving games this year, but Champ was toasted for giving up 70 yards?

People are so stupid I cannot get over it.

MagicHef
02-07-2013, 07:10 AM
Green had 99 yards, 69 of those and 1 TD were against Champ. Champ also picked off a pass intended for Green.

That was the only TD Champ gave up all season.

TonyR
02-07-2013, 08:01 AM
Re-posting this from another thread due to relevance to this discussion:

It's now being reported the Broncos have $14.1 million. Still 4th best in the league (but not nearly as good as we thought).

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ents-for-2013/

Good explanation/clarification from IAOFM:

To be crystal clear, this is a 2013 figure, meaning anyone schedule for unrestricted or restricted free agency is not included on the Denver payroll. Re-signing any or all of Brandon Stokley, Tony Carter, Britton Colquitt, Mitch Unrein, Justin Bannan, Kevin Vickerson, David Bruton, Jason Hunter, Dan Koppen, and Jason Hunter will eat away at that $14.1M figure.

Re-signing Ryan Clady or applying the franchise tender to him (very likely to occur) would swallow the majority of it.
Read more about it here: http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...-cap-room-lard

Also, to Rev's point regarding Bowlen and spending:

...Pat Bowlen does not act like a cash-rich owner; cash considerations have tended to outweigh cap ones for several years now at Dove Valley.

BroncoBeavis
02-07-2013, 08:23 AM
That list made me kinda worried. But I'm not a big cap guy in any sense.

Luckily I think our current cap figure still counts Mayo and DJon, if I'm not mistaken, which should help. (I hope)

DENVERDUI55
02-07-2013, 09:02 AM
The only reason I can see Bowlen being so tight he sqeaks is from Shanny's awesome signings of Carter, OHIO, Grease monkey, TD. Shanahan was too spend happy on overpriced FA in the early 2000's and that led to nothing.

Mountain Bronco
02-07-2013, 09:27 AM
Other than Harris, who lines up opposite of Champ, who on this roster could replace Champ at corner? Bolden has proven nothing. He will likely improve, but I wouldn't rely upon him and Carter has been up and down and is not consistent enough to rely upon.

Hopefully Champ would be willing to drop to a 7-8 million salary, but he has the leverage IMO because we have no viable replacement.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-07-2013, 09:33 AM
Well this will expose what is most important for a player. Championships or money. I thought the cap was going to rocket in the next few years from the TV deals but it doesn't look that way. Champ takes less money to play for a superbowl, or take more money to play for a bottom feeding team that has no shot.

Play2win
02-07-2013, 09:57 AM
The only reason I can see Bowlen being so tight he sqeaks is from Shanny's awesome signings of Carter, OHIO, Grease monkey, TD. Shanahan was too spend happy on overpriced FA in the early 2000's and that led to nothing.

You forgot IHOP

Hilarious!

NFLBRONCO
02-07-2013, 10:16 AM
Well this will expose what is most important for a player. Championships or money. I thought the cap was going to rocket in the next few years from the TV deals but it doesn't look that way. Champ takes less money to play for a superbowl, or take more money to play for a bottom feeding team that has no shot.

Champ has always been a team guy esp when we weren't good. It wouldn't effect me either choice he made at this stage of his career. I expect him to retire here honestly but, if not good luck to him.

Bronco Rob
02-07-2013, 10:23 AM
Can not believe this nonsense has gone on for 75+ posts. Champ is not going anywhere except back to LCB1 alongside Chris Harris. Eventually he will transition to safety just not this season. Our concern in regards to the secondary should be focused on Mike Adams replacement.

Agamemnon
02-07-2013, 10:41 AM
You're assuming you can get comparable play at his vacated spot.

Comparable to what? He gets worse every year as a corner. Next year he may look like he did against Baltimore on a regular basis. That's what happens to aging corners, and that's why the more physical ones switch to safety.

BroncoBeavis
02-07-2013, 11:03 AM
Comparable to what? He gets worse every year as a corner. Next year he may look like he did against Baltimore on a regular basis. That's what happens to aging corners, and that's why the more physical ones switch to safety.

Peyton isn't what he once was either. And honestly, beyond the numbers, he did not look sharp against BAL at all.

In the end, it's one game. Hopefully a learning experience like '96 that teaches them what kind of an edge they need to come into a playoff game with.

But there's no time to roll the dice on whether a young player could fill Champ's probowl shoes. Continuity also needs to be considered.

Hamrob
02-07-2013, 11:37 AM
He's just putting those out there that seem obvious. $9m for a 35yr old CB who was toast in the most important game of the year seems obvious. Nothing more to read there really. I would think we keep Champ, and keep him at CB, after he restructures. He's still a top CB in this league....but, it's time to start getting him safety help over the top when he's covering 4.3 guys. Hello!

What do you think about Deangelo Williams? Do you think we would trade for him? I would if he was willing to restructure his deal. Maybe a 4th if he'd restructure. Thoughts?

DENVERDUI55
02-07-2013, 11:53 AM
You forgot IHOP

Hilarious!

My google auto correct put OHIO instead of IHOP. How could anyone forget that POS. Worst signing ever even worse than Carter. I could add Travis Henry, Simeon Rice.........

Heyneck
02-07-2013, 12:25 PM
Can not believe this nonsense has gone on for 75+ posts. Champ is not going anywhere except back to LCB1 alongside Chris Harris. Eventually he will transition to safety just not this season. Our concern in regards to the secondary should be focused on Mike Adams replacement.

Agree! Get Adams the **** out!!! Hopefully Carter comes back strong.

BroncosfanGuy
02-07-2013, 12:26 PM
Comparable to what? He gets worse every year as a corner. Next year he may look like he did against Baltimore on a regular basis. That's what happens to aging corners, and that's why the more physical ones switch to safety.

not sure I agree with the bolded, but sure, he might look like he did for 1/17 of the time he played this past season or he might be closer to the 16/17 of last season. I'm guessing it's the latter. Bailey struggled covering one of the best deep receivers when he was isolated 1-on-1 against Balt, but outside of that Bailey was spot on for just about the entire NFL season. Good luck finding a CB comparable to that at a cheaper price.

rbackfactory80
02-07-2013, 01:11 PM
Champ wouldn't hold up at SS. Put him at FS maybe.

He is physical for a corner. But I wouldn't necessarily call him physical as much as I would call him fundamental.

lonestar
02-07-2013, 01:24 PM
Who said Bowlen was tight with money?

We carried nearly $40m of cap into the 2012 season, so that's $160m total, we left $11.5m on the table so you work out how much we spent last year. 2nd highest payroll in the NFL in 2012

Most of these kiddies do not have a clue for the most part slightly more than minimum wage living from pay check to check.

High finance is what they read on OM. And the. From some other slub that is living in the basement because he can find a decent job.

Good post as usual.

lonestar
02-07-2013, 01:31 PM
Champ played at a great level all year.

Yes, he had a rough game vs Baltimore. But, if the organization saw this as reason to part w/him, I'd be highly shocked/disappointed.

Not gonna happen,

The problem is no pressure on the QB. Fix that and Champ is once again all pro.

Asking any CB to cover for as long as they were against fast recievers is asking for problems.

Manning killed us in the playoffs way back. Then Mikey thought he fixed the problem by getting Champ. Next year Manning just went after the other weak links. Fixed that the following year and he burned us with the slot guy going crazy on the nickle back.

What does tell anyone with half a brain you can have all pros covering guys but if the QB has all day to attack them someone is going to get open.

The issue was not being able to get to or hurry Flacko. And that is not Champs job.

Did he have a stellar game? No he did not But calls for cutting his pay or flat cutting him are premature at best.

Requiem
02-07-2013, 01:31 PM
Most of these kiddies do not have a clue for the most part slightly more than minimum wage living from pay check to check.

High finance is what they read on OM. And the. From some other slub that is living in the basement because he can find a decent job.

Good post as usual.

WARNING: THIS POST DOES NOT PASS THE 3RD GRADE

lonestar
02-07-2013, 01:48 PM
Champ wouldn't hold up at SS. Put him at FS maybe.

He is physical for a corner. But I wouldn't necessarily call him physical as much as I would call him fundamental.

I would love to see him playing center field for the next 4 -5 years.

Having an experienced guy facing the QB reading his eyes could allow him to pick or pass defense all damned day.

But it has to be his desire to do. He has to let go of what ever EGO he has and just make the decision known to JDR.

But it has to be soon so the can scout CBs at the combine with earnest.

lonestar
02-07-2013, 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by lonestar
Most of these kiddies do not have a clue for the most part slightly more than minimum wage living from pay check to check.

High finance is what they read on OM. And the. From some other slub that is living in the basement because he can find a decent job.


WARNING: THIS POST DOES NOT PASS THE 3RD GRADE

Case in point. The maroon made it for me.

Ahahahahaha

Someday you will grow up and act like an adult.

But so far you have shown no advancement in that area.

Back to iggy

Requiem
02-07-2013, 02:07 PM
Case in point. The maroon made it for me.

Ahahahahaha

Someday you will grow up and act like an adult.

But so far you have shown no advancement in that area.

Back to iggy

Says the guy who in his 60s taking pot shots at someone who didn't even post in this thread until responding to your tripe.

Learn to spell, then post. We aren't laughing with you, we are laughing at you.

Rohirrim
02-07-2013, 02:22 PM
The Earth is going to get hit by an asteroid...


maybe not this year, but I guarantee you, it's going to happen.

Requiem
02-07-2013, 02:24 PM
The Earth is going to get hit by an asteroid...


maybe not this year, but I guarantee you, it's going to happen.

Didn't some amateur astronomers just find one not too far from us (or within our orbit trajectory) that could level a city?

Rohirrim
02-07-2013, 02:37 PM
Didn't some amateur astronomers just find one not too far from us (or within our orbit trajectory) that could level a city?

http://www.space.com/18854-newfound-asteroid-close-flyby-earth.html

The interesting thing about this one; They discovered it just two days before its close shave with the Earth.

Play2win
02-07-2013, 03:13 PM
My google auto correct put OHIO instead of IHOP. How could anyone forget that POS. Worst signing ever even worse than Carter. I could add Travis Henry, Simeon Rice.........

And somehow when you wrote OHIO, I was thinking of Kevin Kasper...

Doh, wrong state...


Is this Heaven...

LOL

broncosteven
02-07-2013, 03:37 PM
http://www.space.com/18854-newfound-asteroid-close-flyby-earth.html

The interesting thing about this one; They discovered it just two days before its close shave with the Earth.

This happens all the time.

James Cameron and Larry Page among others have invested in a asteroid mining venture.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-06/google-backed-asteroid-mining-venture-adds-billionaire-investors.html

There is another company that doesn't have as much scratch that is going to try to mine them as well by 2015.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/26/investors-shrug-at-pie-in-sky-plans-to-mine-asteroids-moon/

We should have been doing this for the last 50 years.

Too bad our current society is more concerned with pretending it is 1778 and only worrying about how to make more and more money and keep their right to own and shoot their guns than they are interested in finding resources in our solar system.

Agamemnon
02-07-2013, 04:57 PM
He's just putting those out there that seem obvious. $9m for a 35yr old CB who was toast in the most important game of the year seems obvious. Nothing more to read there really. I would think we keep Champ, and keep him at CB, after he restructures. He's still a top CB in this league....but, it's time to start getting him safety help over the top when he's covering 4.3 guys. Hello!

What do you think about Deangelo Williams? Do you think we would trade for him? I would if he was willing to restructure his deal. Maybe a 4th if he'd restructure. Thoughts?

I'd be down. Our 4th rounder is almost a 5th rounder anyway.

Play2win
02-07-2013, 04:58 PM
Exactly... Innovation is what drives us forward.

Right now it seems we are in a Red Queen's Race.

rugbythug
02-07-2013, 05:05 PM
This happens all the time.

James Cameron and Larry Page among others have invested in a asteroid mining venture.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-06/google-backed-asteroid-mining-venture-adds-billionaire-investors.html

There is another company that doesn't have as much scratch that is going to try to mine them as well by 2015.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/26/investors-shrug-at-pie-in-sky-plans-to-mine-asteroids-moon/

We should have been doing this for the last 50 years.

Too bad our current society is more concerned with pretending it is 1778 and only worrying about how to make more and more money and keep their right to own and shoot their guns than they are interested in finding resources in our solar system.

What? I'll keep my guns and money and explore.

broncosteven
02-07-2013, 05:14 PM
What? I'll keep my guns and money and explore.

Exploration costs money, as it is people don't want to pay taxes to improve infrastructure let alone space ventures.

extralife
02-07-2013, 05:26 PM
I'd be down. Our 4th rounder is almost a 5th rounder anyway.

why would you ever give a draft pick for deangelo williams when ahmad bradshaw was just cut?

ludo21
02-07-2013, 05:34 PM
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4564747969103760&pid=1.7&w=165&h=142&c=7&rs=1

i want one of these on the side to my space exploration

Tombstone RJ
02-07-2013, 05:34 PM
This happens all the time.

James Cameron and Larry Page among others have invested in a asteroid mining venture.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-06/google-backed-asteroid-mining-venture-adds-billionaire-investors.html

There is another company that doesn't have as much scratch that is going to try to mine them as well by 2015.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/01/26/investors-shrug-at-pie-in-sky-plans-to-mine-asteroids-moon/

We should have been doing this for the last 50 years.

Too bad our current society is more concerned with pretending it is 1778 and only worrying about how to make more and more money and keep their right to own and shoot their guns than they are interested in finding resources in our solar system.

Hey, I can do both right?

errand
02-07-2013, 07:02 PM
What game did he get toasted in? I know Green had a long catch or two but guess what he did that to everyone. Denver held him in check really. List who toasted Champ in regular season please.

Champ had a great season, but he like Rahim Moore are catching flak for getting beat in the divisional round loss to Ravens....too many people here think emotionally instead of logically.

Our secondary played very well save for the Ravens game.....and to be honest, had the pass rush shown up, I'd argue we win a laugher.

lonestar
02-08-2013, 01:29 AM
Champ had a great season, but he like Rahim Moore are catching flak for getting beat in the divisional round loss to Ravens....too many people here think emotionally instead of logically.

Our secondary played very well save for the Ravens game.....and to be honest, had the pass rush shown up, I'd argue we win a laugher.

Flacko is a damned fine QB if you do not pressure him. Few in the nfl have his arm strength.

All year we got to the QB until BAL totally revamped the oline and we as well as NE and SFO unable to get any pressure on the guy.

We have been beat like a rented mule on deep balls for going On a decade, so they only thing new is it was Champ on a couple of them.

The key to not giving up the long ball is not in the back seven but the front four.

ScottXray
02-08-2013, 07:07 AM
While it would be stupid for Champ to be cut loose, ( he is still a top 5 CB)
it also is clear that he has lost a step and will need safety help against
fast receivers. His fundamentals ( tackling) and instincts are among the best ever seen, but his age is catching up with him, and the team MUST start to consider his replacement.

He has been paid VERY well for his time here....and generally has earned it all.
But I don't believe he has been a team LEADER. And a restructure is an opportunity for him to give something back to the the Broncos for the short term, while helping him get to that Superbowl that he has not been to.

Champ has two years left on his current contract, at about 9.5 mill per.

I would ask him to do the following. Restructure to a 4 year deal at 6 mill per, but all guaranteed. Pro bowl incentives of 1 mill each time he makes it.
Maybe a 1-1.5 mill bonus for signing.

If he physically declines he moves to safety, or retires . But he can help the team by spreading his cap hit out , and guarantee getting paid...just over a longer time. And free up some cap space to sign FAs short term.

Guess we'll see if he wants a ring or money more.

lonestar
02-08-2013, 12:50 PM
While it would be stupid for Champ to be cut loose, ( he is still a top 5 CB)
it also is clear that he has lost a step and will need safety help against
fast receivers. His fundamentals ( tackling) and instincts are among the best ever seen, but his age is catching up with him, and the team MUST start to consider his replacement.

He has been paid VERY well for his time here....and generally has earned it all.
But I don't believe he has been a team LEADER. And a restructure is an opportunity for him to give something back to the the Broncos for the short term, while helping him get to that Superbowl that he has not been to.

Champ has two years left on his current contract, at about 9.5 mill per.

I would ask him to do the following. Restructure to a 4 year deal at 6 mill per, but all guaranteed. Pro bowl incentives of 1 mill each time he makes it.
Maybe a 1-1.5 mill bonus for signing.

If he physically declines he moves to safety, or retires . But he can help the team by spreading his cap hit out , and guarantee getting paid...just over a longer time. And free up some cap space to sign FAs short term.

Guess we'll see if he wants a ring or money more.

Overall it makes sense EXCEPT guaranteeing his four year deal. If he goes belly up with a career ending injury we have between 6-18 million in dead space the following year.

Now I would think they could buy a Lloyd's of london policy to cover lost income. For one heck of a lot less than 6million.

Requiem
02-08-2013, 12:59 PM
^ Cannot be serious.

DBroncos4life
02-08-2013, 01:49 PM
^ Cannot be serious.

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Requiem
02-08-2013, 01:53 PM
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teh facts iz ur living da paychooks tap aycheks imysrself ran bUSinnes know about overahaed and tight budgit n if u think pats cracking open da piggY bank for a few freeasians you aren't even know mikey spent the whole thing!!!

DBroncos4life
02-08-2013, 02:01 PM
teh facts iz ur living da paychooks tap aycheks imysrself ran bUSinnes know about overahaed and tight budgit n if u think pats cracking open da piggY bank for a few freeasians you aren't even know mikey spent the whole thing!!!

I think you are lonestar after that post. :)

Requiem
02-08-2013, 02:04 PM
I think you are lonestar after that post. :)

Would have to eat about a pound of boomers to ever sound like lonestar full-time.

extralife
02-08-2013, 04:38 PM
freeasians rofl

Bacchus
02-09-2013, 05:30 AM
^ Cannot be serious.

Thanks for not quoting him!!

Heyneck
02-09-2013, 07:37 AM
Overall it makes sense EXCEPT guaranteeing his four year deal. If he goes belly up with a career ending injury we have between 6-18 million in dead space the following year.

Now I would think they could buy a Lloyd's of london policy to cover lost income. For one heck of a lot less than 6million.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqvzqXgJ41qd66tjo1_400.gif

gunns
02-10-2013, 04:13 PM
NFL network just reported that Champ will be back making 10.5 mil.

Play2win
02-10-2013, 04:55 PM
I betcha Champ works his ass off this offseason, and is a step or two faster than he has been in a few years!

lonestar
02-11-2013, 01:34 AM
I think you are lonestar after that post. :)

Seems kiddie forgets that when on the Mainia site is sent him PMs and reps trying to help him not to be hated on that site with his juvenile posts, as well as suggestions of syntax, spelling and grammar. At first he thought it silly, but after my comments at the time that if he wanted to be taken seriously he needed to act like an adult.

Really thought we were making progress, then he betrayed a confidence I had shared with him.

I see that He seems to have reverted back to his childish posts like most were back in the early days.

Once a punk always a punk.

And before anyone goes to irony street.

I came to the conclusion during my time on the bronco sites (especially this one) that most are kiddies and to quote an oldie but goodie "Frankly Charlotte I do not give a damn".

I now find that the grammar police and spelling cops on here are morons that want to feel superior. .

ZONA
02-11-2013, 01:49 AM
The thing that bugs me so much is these pros supposedly watch alot of game tape to know tendencies of players and what not. Watch Flacco throw deep, almost every single deep pass is a high lob type of pass. He doesn't throw long lasers. His long throws always go very high and come down really steep. If I'm Moore, I know this going into that game. I'm telling myself don't jump too early on anything because his ball really hangs in the air. Whatever.