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Quoydogs
02-05-2013, 08:54 AM
Adam Schefter

When the Ravens are voting on how to divvy up playoff shares, a full one should be awarded to Broncos S Rahim Moore.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 09:03 AM
See, i like that this exists because its recognized that we ****ed up and beat ourselves. Bill Barnwell, in his ravens recap, mentioned that the Ravens deserved to win every game and if they somehow hadn't, it would have been an injustice...which annoyed the **** outta me.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 09:28 AM
And one to Champ Bailey, and two to Peyton Manning, and three to John Fox.

Anyone that blames Moore is an idiot looking for a scapegoat to make themselves feel better.

Beej
02-05-2013, 09:32 AM
Don't forget the refs... oh wait, they already paid them.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 09:42 AM
Anyone that blames Moore is an idiot looking for a scapegoat to make themselves feel better.

He makes the play there, we win. Period. You can argue all you want about Champ, Manning and Fox.....but despite those three guys clearly not having their best days, we still had that game won up until that Moore play.

That one play completely took the wind out of our sails and lost it for us. We simply couldn't get our mojo back after that. No other play had such an influence over the outcome of the game.

Powderaddict
02-05-2013, 09:42 AM
And one to Champ Bailey, and two to Peyton Manning, and three to John Fox.

Anyone that blames Moore is an idiot looking for a scapegoat to make themselves feel better.

Moore had ONE JOB to do on that play.

It's about knowing the situation, being aware of where you are. His ONE JOB was to make sure the WR did not get behind him.

He failed to do his ONE JOB, and now the city of Baltimore is hosting a parade.

He's not the only reason Denver lost. But, as a team they had the game won until Moore didn't do his ONE JOB.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 09:47 AM
He makes the play there, we win. Period. You can argue all you want about Champ, Manning and Fox.....but despite those three guys clearly not having their best days, we still had that game won up until that Moore play.

That one play completely took the wind out of our sails and lost it for us. We simply couldn't get our mojo back after that. No other play had such an influence over the outcome of the game.

You're putting too much stock into that one play because it happened late in the game.

If Champ Bailey had made the play just once on any of the multiple times he was embarrassed, we win. Period.

If Manning had made the play on any of the three times he gave Baltimore the ball in scoring range, we win. Period.

To act as if the Moore play had more influence on the game than any of those others is retarded. It caused seven points to be put on the board, just like Peyton's pick six and Bailey being burned by Smith.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 09:48 AM
Moore had ONE JOB to do on that play.

It's about knowing the situation, being aware of where you are. His ONE JOB was to make sure the WR did not get behind him.

He failed to do his ONE JOB, and now the city of Baltimore is hosting a parade.

He's not the only reason Denver lost. But, as a team they had the game won until Moore didn't do his ONE JOB.

Champ ****ed up his ONE JOB multiple times.

If Champ Bailey did his ONE JOB the Broncos wouldnt have lost.

But I forgot that this fanbase is full of cowards who won't go after its stars and only tears down people as scapegoats.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 09:49 AM
If Champ Bailey had made the play just once on any of the multiple times he was embarrassed, we win. Period.

If Manning had made the play on any of the three times he gave Baltimore the ball in scoring range, we win. Period.

False.

Those plays were so early in the game, they would've changed every play call afterwards and there's no telling what might've happened then. You can't say "we win, period".

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 09:51 AM
Champ ****ed up his ONE JOB multiple times.

If Champ Bailey did his ONE JOB the Broncos wouldnt have lost.

But I forgot that this fanbase is full of cowards who won't go after its stars and only tears down people as scapegoats.

THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

Rahim Moore's one job was to play the deep bomb and not let his WR get behind him. Period.

At no point was that Champ's responsibility in the plays he got burned. If it was, he would've been playing 20+ yard off coverage. Not bump and run from the LOS. Full man to man coverage from the LOS is FAR different from deep safety prevent coverage where you literally can let the guy catch the ball anywhere and everywhere short of you.

Powderaddict
02-05-2013, 09:54 AM
Champ ****ed up his ONE JOB multiple times.

If Champ Bailey did his ONE JOB the Broncos wouldnt have lost.

But I forgot that this fanbase is full of cowards who won't go after its stars and only tears down people as scapegoats.

Not even close to the same thing.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 09:58 AM
Not even close to the same thing.

Yeah, because one guy is a star and the other isn't so this star-****ing fanbase won't hold the famous guy accountable.

bronco militia
02-05-2013, 10:01 AM
This Is All Your Fault, Rahim Moore


http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/rahim.jpg

Thanks a lot. All you had to do was make a routine play on a desperation heave and Ray Lewis’ farewell holy deer antler stabquest would have ended quietly three weeks ago. But noooooooo, you had to be all out of position and let Jacoby Jones get behind you to score the tying touchdown when the Broncos had the Ravens beat. I would have gladly spent the last few weeks being told that Peyton Manning is a legend and that John Elway is a genius rather than have people explain that Ray Lewis is a hero whose PED use shouldn’t be paid any mind.

Now we have to spend seven months, if not FOREVER, listening to the media invent ways to give that useless old linebacker credit for inspired his team to run for glory. Because he damn sure didn’t do jack sh*t on the field. I hope you and Chris Culliver get chronic anal leakage and have to live in a cave for the rest of your lives because no one will tolerate your smell. Though in the case of Culliver, enough people hate him as it is.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2013/02/this-is-all-your-fault-rahim-moore.html

DENVERDUI55
02-05-2013, 10:01 AM
Yeah, because one guy is a star and the other isn't so this star-****ing fanbase won't hold the famous guy accountable.

Guys get burnt deep all the time in the NFL playing one on one coverage. Players playing Moore's position and in the situation never ever get beat deep. I seriously can't think of one time of it happening. I can see them getting beat on jump balls and tipped passes but never by the WR getting behind them and still catching the ball on an underthrown pass where Jones actually had to stop and wait for it.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:02 AM
Let's also all recognize the fact that Rahim Moore's play didn't lose the game.

Manning's interception in overtime did.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:03 AM
You're putting too much stock into that one play because it happened late in the game.

If Champ Bailey had made the play just once on any of the multiple times he was embarrassed, we win. Period.

If Manning had made the play on any of the three times he gave Baltimore the ball in scoring range, we win. Period.

To act as if the Moore play had more influence on the game than any of those others is retarded. It caused seven points to be put on the board, just like Peyton's pick six and Bailey being burned by Smith.

Are we rewriting history to say Peyton was really bad in regulation? Im a broken record, but he had a 100 rating and 3 tds in regulation. I guess if he throws an incompletion or doesnt throw 29034850395 tds, he's ****.

Some people are hard to please.

And Peyton's pick six is either pinned on a horrible non PI call (which it was) or decker.

bronco militia
02-05-2013, 10:04 AM
Let's also all recognize the fact that Rahim Moore's play didn't lose the game.

Manning's interception in overtime did.

the ravens were not in field goal range with that INT....

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:05 AM
Let's also all recognize the fact that Rahim Moore's play didn't lose the game.

Manning's interception in overtime did.

The whole point was the game should have never gotten to that point. No one is absolving Manning of all guilt, but had Rahim done his simple job, the Broncos win and NE comes into Denver

TonyR
02-05-2013, 10:05 AM
Guys get burnt deep all the time in the NFL playing one on one coverage. Players playing Moore's position and in the situation never ever get beat deep. I seriously can't think of one time of it happening. I can see them getting beat on jump balls and tipped passes but never by the WR getting behind them and still catching the ball on an underthrown pass where Jones actually had to stop and wait for it.

It's amazing how many times the Ravens were successful in these playoffs either throwing the ball up seemingly for grabs, or going deep and having DB's misplay it. Happened at least a few times against Indy, and obviously happened to us. I couldn't bring myself to watch the game against NE so I don't know if it happened in that game. And then they did it again against the Niners. And they were doing it strategically, not as a fluke.

Gutless Drunk
02-05-2013, 10:06 AM
Let's also all recognize the fact that Rahim Moore's play didn't lose the game.

Manning's interception in overtime did.

Lol, I'm not going recognize that "fact"

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:07 AM
And, also, I know this is a what have you done for me lately kind of crowd, but if anyone on our team deserves to be cut some slack, its Peyton.

The dude transformed Denver into a super bowl contender. He's the best player on the team. He's also a human being that won't be perfect all the time, but my God, people getting on his case is really strange to me.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:08 AM
It's amazing how many times the Ravens were successful in these playoffs either throwing the ball up seemingly for grabs, or going deep and having DB's misplay it. Happened at least a few times against Indy, and obviously happened to us. I couldn't bring myself to watch the game against NE so I don't know if it happened in that game. And then they did it again against the Niners. And they were doing it strategically, not as a fluke.

I mentioned this in another thread. At some point late in the year (might have even been the wildcard), they discovered that throwing the ball up for grabs to Anquan Boldin was a smart move. They didnt do this for much of the year and wore it out in the playoffs.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:08 AM
The whole point was the game should have never gotten to that point. No one is absolving Manning of all guilt, but had Rahim done his simple job, the Broncos win and NE comes into Denver

The game wouldn't have ever gotten to that point if Champ or Manning hadn't made the mistakes they made in regulation either.

Moore ****ed up, but so did many other people on that team.

Hell, if Matt Prater made his easy field goal attempt it wouldn't have even mattered in the first place.

Blaming Moore is a cop out, and it's being used to pretend that the entire team outside of the special teams unit didn't play like **** in that game.

2KBack
02-05-2013, 10:11 AM
Guys get burnt deep all the time in the NFL playing one on one coverage. Players playing Moore's position and in the situation never ever get beat deep. I seriously can't think of one time of it happening. I can see them getting beat on jump balls and tipped passes but never by the WR getting behind them and still catching the ball on an underthrown pass where Jones actually had to stop and wait for it.

Was the Jacoby Jones TD in the superbowl man coverage? Because they looked awfully similar.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:13 AM
The dude transformed Denver into a super bowl contender.

Bull****.

This team got to the same place it did last year.

It went 13-3 beating up on ****ty teams. The Broncos won two games against teams with winning records all season.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 10:13 AM
Hell, if Matt Prater made his easy field goal attempt it wouldn't have even mattered in the first place.

52 yards against the wind in 0 degree weather is "easy"?!?

Now I KNOW you're just trolling.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:15 AM
52 yards against the wind in 0 degree weather is "easy"?!?

Now I KNOW you're just trolling.

The argument for overpaying Matt Prater was that he made these type of kicks easily. It was an argument many people here made.

TonyR
02-05-2013, 10:16 AM
Bull****.

This team got to the same place it did last year.

It went 13-3 beating up on ****ty teams. The Broncos won two games against teams with winning records all season.

LOL One of the teams we beat was the Ravens. And we beat them decisively.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 10:17 AM
The argument for overpaying Matt Prater was that he made these type of kicks easily. It was an argument many people here made.

No, no it wasn't.

He has kicked well from long distance in the past, but he has never kicked one in conditions that bad before.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:17 AM
Bull****.

This team got to the same place it did last year.

It went 13-3 beating up on ****ty teams. The Broncos won two games against teams with winning records all season.

When Denver hit their stride, they annhilated teams. We werent just getting by, we ****ing killed them. We lost a game we should have won in the playoffs, in arctic tempertures when pretty much EVERY SINGLE THING went wrong in the game, and they still needed a prayer.

Im so ****ing sick of this "we got to the same point as last year" argument. Football isnt played in vacuums and sample sizes are small. If this years broncos team played the Tebow lead won and you had to bet your life on it, you'd pick Peyton's broncos a hundred times out of a hundred.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 10:17 AM
The game wouldn't have ever gotten to that point if Champ or Manning hadn't made the mistakes they made in regulation either.

No way to prove that.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:18 AM
52 yards against the wind in 0 degree weather is "easy"?!?

Now I KNOW you're just trolling.

Def not easy, but he wouldnt have made that kick from five yards haha

Crushaholic
02-05-2013, 10:19 AM
We had :31 seconds to do something, in regulation. What did we do? Take a knee? We hadn't been able to stop them, all game. Why take a chance, in overtime? THAT is the play that will haunt me, forever (not the Rahim Moore play)...

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:20 AM
LOL One of the teams we beat was the Ravens. And we beat them decisively.

Oh cool, I assume there's a good consolation prize for that, right?

The Broncos lost to 2/3 of the other AFC semi-finalists in the regular season, and lost the only game against them that mattered.

They beat the Ravens in the midst of an overhaul of their offense. Once that overhaul was complete, the Ravens were an entirely different team and they blew the Broncos away at home.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 10:22 AM
they blew the Broncos away at home.

3 pts in OT is blowing someone away? Wow. Just wow.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:24 AM
We had :31 seconds to do something, in regulation. What did we do? Take a knee? We hadn't been able to stop them, all game. Why take a chance, in overtime? THAT is the play that will haunt me, forever (not the Rahim Moore play)...

I know im in the minority, but i dont blame us for sitting on it. It was 30 seconds, going into the wind (right after the entire place just deflated), and it was like sitting in a freezer at that point.

If you give Fox the opportunity to replay that moment, perhaps he goes for it. But he's human and gave into emotion and, at that point, he was shell shocked.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:24 AM
3 pts in OT is blowing someone away? Wow. Just wow.

Yes. The game was only that close because of two kick returns for a touchdown. Those will always be flukes, you cannot rely upon them.

The Ravens were the better team for five quarters and played the better game and anyone that disputes this is delusional.

broncocalijohn
02-05-2013, 10:25 AM
Yeah, because one guy is a star and the other isn't so this star-****ing fanbase won't hold the famous guy accountable.

IS this Armchair Bronco? It has nothing to do with famous or not. Moore had one simple job, Bailey's job wasn't as easy as "Don't let the receiver get behind you." How hard is that?

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:25 AM
If you give Fox the opportunity to replay that moment, perhaps he goes for it. But he's human and gave into emotion and, at that point, he was shell shocked.

Fox is a coward and always will be a coward.

TonyR
02-05-2013, 10:25 AM
They beat the Ravens in the midst of an overhaul of their offense.

The didn't really "overhaul" their offense. They were pretty much still running the same offense. One big difference I would concede, however, is that they were healthier in the playoffs and had revamped their O-line.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:26 AM
IS this Armchair Bronco? It has nothing to do with famous or not. Moore had one simple job, Bailey's job wasn't as easy as "Don't let the receiver get behind you." How hard is that?

Is there a former user of this board I haven't been accused of being yet?

I'm everyone, and I'm noone. You'll never get an answer to your question.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:26 AM
Oh cool, I assume there's a good consolation prize for that, right?

The Broncos lost to 2/3 of the other AFC semi-finalists in the regular season, and lost the only game against them that mattered.

They beat the Ravens in the midst of an overhaul of their offense. Once that overhaul was complete, the Ravens were an entirely different team and they blew the Broncos away at home.

What game were you watching? The one I watched had the broncos beat themselves a bunch and then still were in a position to win the game (with a 97 percent win chance) until Rahim Moore epically ****ed up.

Yeah, Baltimore BLEW US AWAY.

You must be a miserable person.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:27 AM
What game were you watching? The one I watched had the broncos beat themselves a bunch and then still were in a position to win the game (with a 97 percent win chance) until Rahim Moore epically ****ed up.

Yeah, Baltimore BLEW US AWAY.

You must be a miserable person.

LOL, if you subscribe anything other than variance to the kick returns you're delusional.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 10:27 AM
Yes. The game was only that close because of two kick returns for a touchdown. Those will always be flukes, you cannot rely upon them.

Great. So if we didn't get the returns, I'd agree with you. It would've been a blowout. But WE DID get them. And they counted. The game went to OT. By definition, it wasn't a blowout. Sorry.

broncocalijohn
02-05-2013, 10:28 AM
Is there a former user of this board I haven't been accused of being yet?

I'm everyone, and I'm noone. You'll never get an answer to your question.

Not a compliment. Just another guy that likes to argue for the sake of arguing. Another lawyer wannabe.

TonyR
02-05-2013, 10:28 AM
Yes. The game was only that close because of two kick returns for a touchdown. Those will always be flukes, you cannot rely upon them.

The Ravens were the better team for five quarters and played the better game and anyone that disputes this is delusional.

Special teams are part of the game. We played them well, they didn't. So we clearly outplayed them on those returns. We also were on the wrong end of several close/bad calls by the officials, and made one giant mistake that allowed them to tie the game in regulation on a garbage prayer of a play.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:28 AM
Great. So if we didn't get the returns, I'd agree with you. It would've been a blowout. But WE DID get them. And they counted. The game went to OT. By definition, it wasn't a blowout. Sorry.

When you're evaluating the standard of play displayed by the Broncos it absolutely was a blow out.

If the Broncos continue to play like that in games against good teams they won't win jack ****.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 10:29 AM
LOL, if you subscribe anything other than variance to the kick returns you're delusional.

Variance? If that's your argument, then you have to acknowledge that statistically, 2 kick returns happen in a game more often than the Rahim Moore play does.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:31 AM
Variance? If that's your argument, then you have to acknowledge that statistically, 2 kick returns happen in a game more often than the Rahim Moore play does.

Take all three away and the Broncos still lose.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:41 AM
LOL, if you subscribe anything other than variance to the kick returns you're delusional.

Youre discussing variance on kick returns but not long bombs and oddly called penalties? Why does one suggests skill and the other doesn't. You're picking **** to fit your argument.

LetsGoBroncos
02-05-2013, 10:46 AM
We had :31 seconds to do something, in regulation. What did we do? Take a knee? We hadn't been able to stop them, all game. Why take a chance, in overtime? THAT is the play that will haunt me, forever (not the Rahim Moore play)...

Yet we did stop them in overtime several times...so your point is wrong

LetsGoBroncos
02-05-2013, 10:49 AM
Yes. The game was only that close because of two kick returns for a touchdown. Those will always be flukes, you cannot rely upon them.

The Ravens were the better team for five quarters and played the better game and anyone that disputes this is delusional.

You're an idiot. We had tons of horrible calls go against us that helped the score for the ravens which can be seen here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVXIDNFaiLc

We didn't play that great and still led by 7 late in the game. They were not the better team that day. They hung around thanks to bad calls and average play from us and got lucky in the end.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 10:49 AM
Yet we did stop them in overtime several times...so your point is wrong

We actually stopped them for the entire second half save for a short field TD and a prayer bomb.

He's just an asshole.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:50 AM
You're an idiot. We had tons of horrible calls go against us that helped the score for the ravens which can be seen here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVXIDNFaiLc

We didn't play that great and still led by 7 late in the game. They were not the better team that day. They hung around thanks to bad calls and average play from us and got lucky in the end.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Crushaholic
02-05-2013, 11:00 AM
Yet we did stop them in overtime several times...so your point is wrong

Yes, we made them sweat, in overtime. My point still stands. If you have time for a killshot, you take it. Maybe it WAS against a cold wind. Then, it becomes how badly they wanted it. I saw the look on the Ravens players. They looked like they had all the momentum...

Quoydogs
02-05-2013, 11:01 AM
Bull****.

This team got to the same place it did last year.

It went 13-3 beating up on ****ty teams. The Broncos won two games against teams with winning records all season.

As true as this statement is, it's complete bull****.


We could have won anyone of the first three losses

Requiem
02-05-2013, 11:03 AM
If Moore was white, 98 Degrees would be all over him. Racist!

bronco militia
02-05-2013, 11:11 AM
Bull****.

This team got to the same place it did last year.

It went 13-3 beating up on ****ty teams. The Broncos won two games against teams with winning records all season.



the broncos were 3-3 vs winning teams in 2012.

The Broncos will head into 2013 as superbowl favorites along with the 49ers and Patriots.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/5/3952442/super-bowl-odds-2014-patriots-broncos-49ers

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 11:15 AM
the broncos were 3-3 vs winning teams in 2012.

The Broncos will head into 2013 as superbowl favorites along with the 49ers and Patriots.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/5/3952442/super-bowl-odds-2014-patriots-broncos-49ers

I hear that being offseason Super Bowl favorites means something.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 11:18 AM
Do you think Bowlen will have a ring ceremony for the 2013 Philadelphia Eagles/Washington Redskins/New York Jets Offseason Super Bowl Hype Memorial Trophy?

chickennob2
02-05-2013, 11:35 AM
From the title, I definitely thought this was a Ray Lewis thread.

DENVERDUI55
02-05-2013, 11:37 AM
Let's also all recognize the fact that Rahim Moore's play didn't lose the game.

Manning's interception in overtime did.

Well if you want to get technical it was Tucker's FG that won the game for Baltimore and lost it for Denver.

DENVERDUI55
02-05-2013, 11:38 AM
It's amazing how many times the Ravens were successful in these playoffs either throwing the ball up seemingly for grabs, or going deep and having DB's misplay it. Happened at least a few times against Indy, and obviously happened to us. I couldn't bring myself to watch the game against NE so I don't know if it happened in that game. And then they did it again against the Niners. And they were doing it strategically, not as a fluke.

Moore's play was a fluke. Even Flacco said it in the post game. I want someone to show me or the board one time where a WR got behind a safety in a situation like that in prevent D.

DENVERDUI55
02-05-2013, 11:40 AM
Was the Jacoby Jones TD in the superbowl man coverage? Because they looked awfully similar.

The Niners safety bit on an underneath route. As far as being similar not even close because Moore's f-up was his only responsibility don't get beat deep in prevent D up by 7 with 30 seconds left.

hades
02-05-2013, 11:57 AM
The Niners safety bit on an underneath route. As far as being similar not even close because Moore's f-up was his only responsibility don't get beat deep in prevent D up by 7 with 30 seconds left.

Moore had 2 choices. He chose plan B. Now we know why Elway only had Plan A. Stick with the plan, and it woulda worked out! :P

TonyR
02-05-2013, 12:05 PM
Moore's play was a fluke.

Yes, agree it was something of a fluke. I wasn't suggesting that play specifically was strategic, only that many/most of their longer passes and "up for grabs" type plays seemed to be in the playoffs.

bronco militia
02-05-2013, 12:05 PM
I hear that being offseason Super Bowl favorites means something.

sure....the broncos, patriots and 49ers had a pretty good seasons in 2012

FrankieTwoThumbs
02-05-2013, 12:10 PM
IS this Armchair Bronco? It has nothing to do with famous or not. Moore had one simple job, Bailey's job wasn't as easy as "Don't let the receiver get behind you." How hard is that?

Why are we arguing over the simplicity of their job? Either way they didn't do it. Bailey is paid well to have a more complicated job, and more is expected of him.

gunns
02-05-2013, 12:16 PM
I only read the first page of this thread and I have to wonder why any of you respond to 30 degrees. He's obviously a MacGruder clone that has little to no football knowledge and sole purpose on this board is to put down players that any one with football knowlege would know is/are very good player(s) merely to get a rise out of many of you. Personally I find him humorous in his endeavors to spark a fire with such clueless posts.

Rohirrim
02-05-2013, 12:31 PM
I only read the first page of this thread and I have to wonder why any of you respond to 30 degrees. He's obviously a MacGruder clone that has little to no football knowledge and sole purpose on this board is to put down players that any one with football knowlege would know is/are very good player(s) merely to get a rise out of many of you. Personally I find him humorous in his endeavors to spark a fire with such clueless posts.

Sounds like another Bob the Human Failure persona to me.

Mediator12
02-05-2013, 12:32 PM
I only read the first page of this thread and I have to wonder why any of you respond to 30 degrees. He's obviously a MacGruder clone that has little to no football knowledge and sole purpose on this board is to put down players that any one with football knowlege would know is/are very good player(s) merely to get a rise out of many of you. Personally I find him humorous in his endeavors to spark a fire with such clueless posts.

I understand gunns, we have seen it for years on this board ;D

There are maybe 5 or 6 people on this board who can take you through what happens on a given play and then tell you why it happened and what mistakes were actually made from watching the film. These guys are not them!

However, we have a ton of armchair QB's who want you to believe that anything but that one play was the most damaging to the team that day. Not worth replying. They are way more interested in being right than understanding what happened.

Requiem
02-05-2013, 12:37 PM
I understand gunns, we have seen it for years on this board ;D

There are maybe 5 or 6 people on this board who can take you through what happens on a given play and then tell you why it happened and what mistakes were actually made from watching the film. These guys are not them!

However, we have a ton of armchair QB's who want you to believe that anything but that one play was the most damaging to the team that day. Not worth replying. They are way more interested in being right than understanding what happened.

To be fair, nobody, including you didn't seem to grasp what was going on with the coverages there until getting a second look -- but most people here agreed that Moore absolutely blew it.

FrankieTwoThumbs
02-05-2013, 12:50 PM
I understand gunns, we have seen it for years on this board ;D

There are maybe 5 or 6 people on this board who can take you through what happens on a given play and then tell you why it happened and what mistakes were actually made from watching the film. These guys are not them!

However, we have a ton of armchair QB's who want you to believe that anything but that one play was the most damaging to the team that day. Not worth replying. They are way more interested in being right than understanding what happened.

Help me understand, real life QB. Did Bailey not make mistakes, or did his mistakes cost us less the the 7 points Moore did?

Rock Chalk
02-05-2013, 01:10 PM
ThirtyDegrees seems like a solid poster.

/sarcasm

Rabb
02-05-2013, 01:25 PM
ThirtyDegrees seems like a solid poster.

/sarcasm

he's the OM Rahim Moore

HAT
02-05-2013, 01:29 PM
Yes. The game was only that close because of two kick returns for a touchdown. Those will always be flukes, you cannot rely upon them.

The Ravens were the better team for five quarters and played the better game and anyone that disputes this is delusional.

The only delusional one in this thread is you. If Tridget doesn't take those to the house....There's nothing that says Manning & the offense don't sustain TD drives themselves. You have to be an idiot to say the offense scores 14 points less if the returns don't happen.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 03:39 PM
The only delusional one in this thread is you. If Tridget doesn't take those to the house....There's nothing that says Manning & the offense don't sustain TD drives themselves. You have to be an idiot to say the offense scores 14 points less if the returns don't happen.

Nothing except Manning's inability to throw more than 15 yards, Thomas' multiple drops, Decker's inconsistency, and the inability to run the football.

Yeah, nothing at all.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 03:52 PM
Anyone that thinks gives Champ Bailey a pass and yet blames Moore is the one that knows nothing about football and is simply a hero worshipping loser.

Rahim Moore made a terrible and stupid mistake by letting the receiver get behind him and then made another by mis-timing his jump. On balance it was his inexperience that led to his mental skills not meeting the standard necessary to make the play. Moore was personally responsible for 7 Baltimore points.

Champ Bailey showed a complete inability to cover Torrey Smith for most of the football game. Champ's mistakes were caused in large part by his athletic skills not meeting the standard necessary to make the plays. Champ was personally responsible for 14 Baltimore points.

Of the two performances, Champ Bailey's is less excusable for a number of reasons.

Champ Bailey is leader on the team and should have been expected to recognize that he was unable to cover Torrey Smith before the game even started. Instead, Bailey wrote a check with his mouth to the press that his ability couldn't cash during the game and he was embarrassed repeatedly.

Furthermore, as a defensive captain and leader Bailey had the obligation to recognize when he was unable to do his job once the game had begun and ask for help. Instead he allowed Smith to continue to dominate him for the rest of the day.

Bailey had more responsibilities than Moore and he flat out failed in each and every one of them. Bailey failed on the field in a more spectacular fashion than Moore did and he failed as a team leader both by failing to live up to his boasts to the media about his ability to cover Smith and by not admitting that he failed once the game had started.

There are more expectations put on Bailey than Moore. Bailey is a pro-bowler, and a defensive leader.

It's cowardly and pathetic to not hold Champ Bailey to account for how poorly he played and to instead blame Moore.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2013, 04:23 PM
Anyone that thinks gives Champ Bailey a pass and yet blames Moore is the one that knows nothing about football and is simply a hero worshipping loser.

Rahim Moore made a terrible and stupid mistake by letting the receiver get behind him and then made another by mis-timing his jump. On balance it was his inexperience that led to his mental skills not meeting the standard necessary to make the play. Moore was personally responsible for 7 Baltimore points.

Champ Bailey showed a complete inability to cover Torrey Smith for most of the football game. Champ's mistakes were caused in large part by his athletic skills not meeting the standard necessary to make the plays. Champ was personally responsible for 14 Baltimore points.

Of the two performances, Champ Bailey's is less excusable for a number of reasons.

Champ Bailey is leader on the team and should have been expected to recognize that he was unable to cover Torrey Smith before the game even started. Instead, Bailey wrote a check with his mouth to the press that his ability couldn't cash during the game and he was embarrassed repeatedly.

Furthermore, as a defensive captain and leader Bailey had the obligation to recognize when he was unable to do his job once the game had begun and ask for help. Instead he allowed Smith to continue to dominate him for the rest of the day.

Bailey had more responsibilities than Moore and he flat out failed in each and every one of them. Bailey failed on the field in a more spectacular fashion than Moore did and he failed as a team leader both by failing to live up to his boasts to the media about his ability to cover Smith and by not admitting that he failed once the game had started.

There are more expectations put on Bailey than Moore. Bailey is a pro-bowler, and a defensive leader.

It's cowardly and pathetic to not hold Champ Bailey to account for how poorly he played and to instead blame Moore.

Of course you can. Champ got beat physically, the other guys get paid too. Rahim was beat mentally and made the virtually impossible possible. The situation matters and he had ONE friggin job. Its not comparable if you ask me, sorry. This is not to say that Champ played well, he didnt, or that he shouldnt shoulder some blame for the loss. But quit comparing the two situations.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 04:32 PM
The fact of the matter stands that the two positions that would have made the biggest difference in the outcome of the game by way of their upgrade would have been cornerback and quarterback.

If Jesus were to come down earth and say "You can go back in time and replace one player on the Broncos for the divisional game with a strictly better player" the two correct choices for replacement would have been Champ Bailey and Peyton Manning as their multiple mistakes cost the Broncos more than Moore's did.

rbackfactory80
02-05-2013, 04:51 PM
Champ was at fault. Big timers don't get owned repeatedly like he did in big games.

Champ was playing so bad he was putting additional pressure on Moore.

rbackfactory80
02-05-2013, 04:57 PM
It's pretty sad

Von and Doom take the day off
Bailey gets flat out embarassed
Manning plays a well below average game
Fox makes every wrong decision

Moore is to blame cause he blew one play.

Orangemane Logic-- Take everything that is fact and throw it out the window.

RaiderH8r
02-05-2013, 05:03 PM
Rahim the daydream failed in the most spectacular fashion anybody in football has failed in a long time. Perhaps ever. Champ has given us a HoF career and Moore has given us a Buckner. **** Rahim. He should be banned from football for life for ****ing up in such epic fashion.

Moore only had to perform on one play and when the time came he pissed down his leg and **** the bed.

Willynowei
02-05-2013, 05:07 PM
Champ ****ed up his ONE JOB multiple times.

If Champ Bailey did his ONE JOB the Broncos wouldnt have lost.

But I forgot that this fanbase is full of cowards who won't go after its stars and only tears down people as scapegoats.

You're a ****ing retard, this post seals it.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 05:14 PM
ITT: a bunch of losers that would forgive their wife if she cheated on them and would blame the guy.

enjolras
02-05-2013, 05:20 PM
I'm consistently amazed by this place. Every single time I think we've reached rock bottom, people just keep lowering the bar even further. I swear to god I'm stuck in some sort of message board reality show were the object is to be just as absolutely pathetically, and unapologetically stupid as humanly possible.

It was 38-35 in double freaking overtime. To a team that just won the freaking superbowl.

Lets just go down the list:

We need to replace..Peyton Manning? Are you ****ing serious? Have you watched the last decade of football? He threw three damn touchdown passes. He may not have had his best game, but he didn't have a bad one by any stretch. Jesus comes down and lets you replace Manning.. who do you replace him with exactly? Brady struggled even worse against the same defense. Rodgers maybe? There aren't many guys who throw three touchdown passes in a game and get called out as a problem.

Hell the pick-6 was clear pass interference. Blame the right people here.

Oh and Bailey is the real culprit. He had his worst game as a Denver Bronco. That's true. Although he bounced back and played extremely well in the second half and overtime. That gets overlooked around here.

The simple fact is this team had the god-damn superbowl champions beat. Rahim Moore pulls his head out of his ass and makes a high school play on the ball and the Ravens make an early exit.

So I guess that's the bar now. You have to absolutely beat the tar out of teams that win superbowls or else your team is full of bums.

We've also pulled the "real fans" know card AND the "if you know anything about football" card out nearly back to back. That's always a clear sign that something majestically obtuse is about to singe my corneas is on it's way.

Whatever. Team had a great season and a bad game that they should have won if one player doesn't make the most colossal mistake in franchise history.

KipCorrington25
02-05-2013, 07:26 PM
Rahim Moore sucks, he **** the bed on a hail mary and we lost. The guy will never live it down, might as well trade him and get what you can.

strafen
02-05-2013, 09:10 PM
And one to Champ Bailey, and two to Peyton Manning, and three to John Fox.

Anyone that blames Moore is an idiot looking for a scapegoat to make themselves feel better.

Matt Prater...

Beantown Bronco
02-06-2013, 06:35 AM
Anyone that thinks gives Champ Bailey a pass and yet blames Moore is the one that knows nothing about football and is simply a hero worshipping loser.

Alright, let's just put this to bed now. YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE is that people here are rendering Champ blameless. It's simply not true. NOBODY here is doing that. We all blame him for his blown plays, so stop saying we're not.

ant1999e
02-06-2013, 09:26 AM
If Manning converts the 3rd and 7 in the fourth quarter we win the game... Moore wouldn't have been a factor.

RaiderH8r
02-06-2013, 09:49 AM
If Manning converts the 3rd and 7 in the fourth quarter we win the game... Moore wouldn't have been a factor.

Also, Hillman needs to learn how to run like a man when his number is called to close out games.

Play2win
02-06-2013, 11:32 AM
I'm consistently amazed by this place. Every single time I think we've reached rock bottom, people just keep lowering the bar even further. I swear to god I'm stuck in some sort of message board reality show were the object is to be just as absolutely pathetically, and unapologetically stupid as humanly possible.



QFT. :thumbsup:

Beantown Bronco
02-06-2013, 11:39 AM
If Manning converts the 3rd and 7 in the fourth quarter we win the game... Moore wouldn't have been a factor.

Odds of converting a 3rd and 7 when you're trying to bleed clock.....
Odds of preventing a 70 yd hail mary TD with 30 secs left in game when it's the opposition's only option.....

Let's compare, shall we?

Jekyll15Hyde
02-06-2013, 11:51 AM
From the title, I definitely thought this was a Ray Lewis thread.

61 posts later and I finally saw what I was thinking.

Jekyll15Hyde
02-06-2013, 11:55 AM
blah blah blah, i am another clueless tebow lover.

One more thing.... **** this moron

This place is a joke. Need some mod control

LetsGoBroncos
02-06-2013, 12:02 PM
I'm consistently amazed by this place. Every single time I think we've reached rock bottom, people just keep lowering the bar even further. I swear to god I'm stuck in some sort of message board reality show were the object is to be just as absolutely pathetically, and unapologetically stupid as humanly possible.

It was 38-35 in double freaking overtime. To a team that just won the freaking superbowl.

Lets just go down the list:

We need to replace..Peyton Manning? Are you ****ing serious? Have you watched the last decade of football? He threw three damn touchdown passes. He may not have had his best game, but he didn't have a bad one by any stretch. Jesus comes down and lets you replace Manning.. who do you replace him with exactly? Brady struggled even worse against the same defense. Rodgers maybe? There aren't many guys who throw three touchdown passes in a game and get called out as a problem.

Hell the pick-6 was clear pass interference. Blame the right people here.

Oh and Bailey is the real culprit. He had his worst game as a Denver Bronco. That's true. Although he bounced back and played extremely well in the second half and overtime. That gets overlooked around here.

The simple fact is this team had the god-damn superbowl champions beat. Rahim Moore pulls his head out of his ass and makes a high school play on the ball and the Ravens make an early exit.

So I guess that's the bar now. You have to absolutely beat the tar out of teams that win superbowls or else your team is full of bums.

We've also pulled the "real fans" know card AND the "if you know anything about football" card out nearly back to back. That's always a clear sign that something majestically obtuse is about to singe my corneas is on it's way.

Whatever. Team had a great season and a bad game that they should have won if one player doesn't make the most colossal mistake in franchise history.

Pretty much what I have said in multiple threads. 25 things went wrong from our mistakes to awful officiating that probably helped Baltimore somewhere in the neighborhood of 24 points and it still took a prayer and double OT to beat us. No need to blow anything up

BroncoBeavis
02-06-2013, 12:36 PM
The fact of the matter stands that the two positions that would have made the biggest difference in the outcome of the game by way of their upgrade would have been cornerback and quarterback.

If Jesus were to come down earth and say "You can go back in time and replace one player on the Broncos for the divisional game with a strictly better player" the two correct choices for replacement would have been Champ Bailey and Peyton Manning as their multiple mistakes cost the Broncos more than Moore's did.

This is crazy **** here. You do realize locking down a top receiver one on one all over the field is a slightly bigger challenge than telling a safety to give 20 yards cushion, and for ****'s sake not let anyone behind you, oh and if you do, don't backpedal and dive for the ball, losing your feet and any ability to make a tackle. This ****up had an onion-like layer count. Not just bad awareness, but bad instincts.

There isn't a D1 college safety in the country that can't make that play. And I'm not trying to write The Daydream off or anything. I hope he moves on from it. But comparing that play to getting burned in man coverage by an elite wideout a few times? Come on man.

Bob's your Information Minister
02-06-2013, 01:47 PM
I'm ODing on your tears.

Eldorado
02-06-2013, 02:14 PM
I'm ODing on your tears.

Everybody's got their own superbowl.

RaiderH8r
02-06-2013, 02:22 PM
Everybody's got their own superbowl.

And the Chiefs can't even win that.

g6matty
02-06-2013, 06:37 PM
what i wish he did

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/523522_10150895129839988_1909126083_n.jpg

orinjkrush
02-06-2013, 06:40 PM
no words.

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2013/0119/20130119__2013-01-13T011452Z_1123823167_TB3E91D03GKZS_RTRMADP_3_NFL-PLAYOFFS~p1.jpg

ant1999e
02-06-2013, 09:58 PM
Odds of converting a 3rd and 7 when you're trying to bleed clock.....
Odds of preventing a 70 yd hail mary TD with 30 secs left in game when it's the opposition's only option.....

Let's compare, shall we?

Play to win or play not to lose.

Beantown Bronco
02-07-2013, 06:10 AM
Play to win or play not to lose.

Ummm, ok. That's a COMPLETELY different argument that deals with coaching, not execution.

I'm talking about what is more likely to happen on the field when those two plays are called. Are you more shocked by a 3rd and 7 not being converted or more shocked when a 70 yard hail mary (when that's all the defense should be focused on) IS converted?

ant1999e
02-07-2013, 07:44 AM
Ummm, ok. That's a COMPLETELY different argument that deals with coaching, not execution.

I'm talking about what is more likely to happen on the field when those two plays are called. Are you more shocked by a 3rd and 7 not being converted or more shocked when a 70 yard hail mary (when that's all the defense should be focused on) IS converted?

I'd rather put my money on one of if not the greatest QBs passing for 7 yards to end the game rather than relying on a DB who has shown he isn't that good.
So different argument maybe. Depends on who called the run play with our 3-4 string RB to "play not to lose".

ant1999e
02-07-2013, 07:50 AM
Or how about kneeling the ball with 30+ seconds left in regulation when you have PMFM. No hail mary try for him?

Did Moore screw up? Big time. Did many others screw up? Yes. Is Moore a scape goat? Most definitely.

Beantown Bronco
02-07-2013, 09:15 AM
Or how about kneeling the ball with 30+ seconds left in regulation when you have PMFM. No hail mary try for him?


Rahim Moore wasn't playing safety for the Ravens.

Tombstone RJ
02-07-2013, 10:04 AM
Doh!

TonyR
02-07-2013, 10:09 AM
Rahim Moore wasn't playing safety for the Ravens.

He wasn't playing much safety for us on that play, either...

SonOfLe-loLang
02-07-2013, 10:30 AM
I'd rather put my money on one of if not the greatest QBs passing for 7 yards to end the game rather than relying on a DB who has shown he isn't that good.
So different argument maybe. Depends on who called the run play with our 3-4 string RB to "play not to lose".

Hindsight is 20/20. The odds were overwhelmingly in the Broncos favor at that point, it wasn't a bad call to run it on 3rd. I personally would have preferred a lil trickeration, maybe an end around to see if you could take advantage of the defense "knowing whats coming," but whatever. They lost on a fluke.

But nice use of a tired sports cliche there

SonOfLe-loLang
02-07-2013, 10:32 AM
Or how about kneeling the ball with 30+ seconds left in regulation when you have PMFM. No hail mary try for him?

Did Moore screw up? Big time. Did many others screw up? Yes. Is Moore a scape goat? Most definitely.

I'll still gladly be in the minority on this one too for not blaming Fox on that decision too. I know people made fun of him for his "being shocked" comment, but i can understand that. Plus, they were going into the wind, it was ****ing freezing cold, and obviously **** could go wrong too.

If he was given hours to think about it, maybe he'd have chosen otherwise. But in that moment, im not blaming him for wanting to sit and regroup.

ant1999e
02-07-2013, 05:31 PM
I'll still gladly be in the minority on this one too for not blaming Fox on that decision too. I know people made fun of him for his "being shocked" comment, but i can understand that. Plus, they were going into the wind, it was ****ing freezing cold, and obviously **** could go wrong too.

If he was given hours to think about it, maybe he'd have chosen otherwise. But in that moment, im not blaming him for wanting to sit and regroup.

So let me get this straight, you don't blame Prater for missing the field goal, Champ for getting beat all night, Hester for running like a bitch on 3rd and 7, whoever made the call to run on 3rd and 7 for play calling like a bitch, Manning for not passing for 7 on that play, Fox for downing the ball with 30+ seconds left in the game, Manning for throwing an int. No, you have an excuse for all of that. Instead, you want to find a scapegoat.

I don't remember Moore being the big time free agent that everyone was trying to sign last off-season. The big time player you want to put the ball in his hands and WIN THE GAME. I thought that was PMFM. Instead, we run the ball on 3rd and 7, we down the ball with 30+ seconds left. Are you ****ing kidding me? Rahim Moore?

When you're in the minority, it usually means you're wrong.

rbackfactory80
02-07-2013, 06:00 PM
So let me get this straight, you don't blame Prater for missing the field goal, Champ for getting beat all night, Hester for running like a b**** on 3rd and 7, whoever made the call to run on 3rd and 7 for play calling like a b****, Manning for not passing for 7 on that play, Fox for downing the ball with 30+ seconds left in the game, Manning for throwing an int. No, you have an excuse for all of that. Instead, you want to find a scapegoat.

I don't remember Moore being the big time free agent that everyone was trying to sign last off-season. The big time player you want to put the ball in his hands and WIN THE GAME. I thought that was PMFM. Instead, we run the ball on 3rd and 7, we down the ball with 30+ seconds left. Are you ****ing kidding me? Rahim Moore?

When you're in the minority, it usually means you're wrong.


Yep, that's the OMane. If you ever saw the commercial with the father trying to teach his son how to throw a ball who throws it sideways, that is basically who you are arguing with. They obviously don't understand how ****ty play inspires ****ty play. They obviously have no idea of the pressure for a young player to make that play when every vet on the team displayed no guts. These are the types of fans that will bring up stats about how our stars played in games that have little meaning.

But don't worry, if there is enough of an outcry maybe they will cut Moore and we can wonder why we have another collapse from the top down next year too.