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Bronco Rob
02-04-2013, 12:30 PM
DENVER (CBS4) – The Baltimore Ravens are hoisting the Lombardi Trophy this year, and if the Broncos want to be doing the same thing next year former Bronco and occasional CBS4 Sports commentator Tom Nalen said he thinks they have some issues to address.

1. The Offensive Line

The offensive line is the most glaring area of concern for a team that appeared to have few weaknesses during the regular season last year.

“Ryan Clady is having shoulder surgery. J.D. Walton is having ankle surgery. Chris Kuper is having ankle surgery again to fix a plate. If those guys are healthy I think they’re fine. I thought Walton played very well before he got hurt as opposed to his first two years I thought he struggled a little bit. He looked a lot better this year,” Nalen said. “But they do need some depth in case those guys can’t come back.”

2. Defensive Line

Nalen said he thinks the Broncos are in good shape with their tackles, although he says they could use more depth at that position.

3. Linebackers

Nalen said middle linebacker could be the biggest area of need for the team. He also said it may be time to say goodbye to D.J. Williams.

“I think for both parties it would be better for D.J. not to be here. I just think that a fresh start for him would be good,” said Nalen of Williams, who missed more than half the season due to suspensions. “Maybe they could get a decent draft pick in return for him. I think that would probably be the best way to go.”

“He wants to play ‘Will’ linebacker, and he’s a great linebacker — he plays all positions. But he’s a great Will linebacker.”

“I was a teammate of D.J.’s. I loved D.J. D.J.’s great in the locker room. I just don’t see Wesley Woodyard giving up that spot.”

4. Quarterback

The Broncos best player could also perhaps be the team’s biggest question mark, according to Nalen.

Manning came in second in the voting over the weekend for the MVP of the league award, but his overwhelming regular season success once again didn’t translate to success in the playoffs. His team was one-and-done for the eighth time in his career.



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bpc
02-04-2013, 12:32 PM
Agreed on these fronts. Denver should annually make an investment in the OL/DL. The good teams do. I think we have to find another DB, and a playmaker to eventually replace Stokely, either at TE or WR. That to me is probably the biggest concern unless we can sign somebody in FA.

Tombstone RJ
02-04-2013, 12:39 PM
Interesting... what happened to the long greasy hair Tom?? lol!

orinjkrush
02-04-2013, 12:40 PM
IMHO

Glaring: MLB and SS.
Next: RB and G/C
Last: CB and T

rbackfactory80
02-04-2013, 12:45 PM
A saw a quote this morning on the ticker but missed who said it. It was a Raven's player after the game:

"We beat the past (Peyton Manning), we beat the present (Tom Brady), and we beat the future (Colin Kaepernick)".

Seems like a shot at Denver even if there is truth to that statement.

bronco militia
02-04-2013, 12:46 PM
I don't agree with any of this part....come on Dan, John Elway didn't have a great Superbowl in 1997 (or 1987, or 1989). Peyton Manning was the mvp for ****s sakes while "not playing very well"

4. Quarterback

The Broncos best player could also perhaps be the team’s biggest question mark, according to Nalen.

Manning came in second in the voting over the weekend for the MVP of the league award, but his overwhelming regular season success once again didn’t translate to success in the playoffs. His team was one-and-done for the eighth time in his career.

“The regular season is great, but it doesn’t mean anything unless you do something in the playoffs with it. He had the same tag about him in college at Tennessee: ‘He couldn’t win the big one.’ The year after he left Tee Martin leads the team to the national championship.

“I realize (Manning) has won a Super Bowl, but he didn’t really play that well in that Super Bowl. It was kind of a rainy day against the Bears. And the next year he lost a Super Bowl where he threw a Pick-6 to the Saints. So I think there’s some concern there.”

“I think he puts so much pressure to be perfect all the time, and football is not a game of perfection. You have to roll with the mistakes, and overcome them and not let the pressure get to you. And I think that he puts so much pressure on himself that it affects him in the playoffs.”

rbackfactory80
02-04-2013, 12:48 PM
I don't agree with any of this part....come on Dan, John Elway didn't have a great Superbowl in 1997.

4. Quarterback

The Broncos best player could also perhaps be the team’s biggest question mark, according to Nalen.

Manning came in second in the voting over the weekend for the MVP of the league award, but his overwhelming regular season success once again didn’t translate to success in the playoffs. His team was one-and-done for the eighth time in his career.

“The regular season is great, but it doesn’t mean anything unless you do something in the playoffs with it. He had the same tag about him in college at Tennessee: ‘He couldn’t win the big one.’ The year after he left Tee Martin leads the team to the national championship.

“I realize (Manning) has won a Super Bowl, but he didn’t really play that well in that Super Bowl. It was kind of a rainy day against the Bears. And the next year he lost a Super Bowl where he threw a Pick-6 to the Saints. So I think there’s some concern there.”

“I think he puts so much pressure to be perfect all the time, and football is not a game of perfection. You have to roll with the mistakes, and overcome them and not let the pressure get to you. And I think that he puts so much pressure on himself that it affects him in the playoffs.”

I agree with all of it 100 percent. He should see a sports psychologist like yesterday. Seriously, the dude should have won 7 Championships by now.

bronco militia
02-04-2013, 12:51 PM
I agree with all of it 100 percent. He should see a sports psychologist like yesterday. Seriously, the dude should have won 7 Championships by now.

lol...you and Dan should get your brain's scanned.....obviously too many blows to the head

ludo21
02-04-2013, 12:52 PM
i liked him better when he didnt talk ;D

gunns
02-04-2013, 12:52 PM
“The regular season is great, but it doesn’t mean anything unless you do something in the playoffs with it. He had the same tag about him in college at Tennessee: ‘He couldn’t win the big one.’ The year after he left Tee Martin leads the team to the national championship.

“I realize (Manning) has won a Super Bowl, but he didn’t really play that well in that Super Bowl. It was kind of a rainy day against the Bears. And the next year he lost a Super Bowl where he threw a Pick-6 to the Saints. So I think there’s some concern there.”

“I think he puts so much pressure to be perfect all the time, and football is not a game of perfection. You have to roll with the mistakes, and overcome them and not let the pressure get to you. And I think that he puts so much pressure on himself that it affects him in the playoffs.”

Seems to me there were conversations like this back in January 1997 about another QB.

ludo21
02-04-2013, 12:52 PM
i liked him better when he didnt talk ;D

LetsGoBroncos
02-04-2013, 01:07 PM
Every team has areas they can improve including us....but am I the only Broncos fan who feels like a lot of this kind of stuff is being blown out of proportion? Guys EVERY SINGLE THING went Baltimore's way against us. The weather, the bounces, the calls. And even after all of it if we knock down a hail mary we win. And even after the hail mary we still could have won.

I think we all agree now looking back had we beat them we more than likely would have won the Super Bowl. Obviously that is no sure thing but there is a pretty good chance of it. Can't we all just recognize that was just one of those days where nothing went right unfortunately for us? I don't think we need to start talking about making lots of changes. We were a fluke day away from probably winning the Super Bowl. Period.

crush17
02-04-2013, 01:14 PM
A saw a quote this morning on the ticker but missed who said it. It was a Raven's player after the game:

"We beat the past (Peyton Manning), we beat the present (Tom Brady), and we beat the future (Colin Kaepernick)".

Seems like a shot at Denver even if there is truth to that statement.

That was Terrell "my lips are the size of baseballs" Suggs

bpc
02-04-2013, 01:25 PM
Just a question, who replaces Stokely if/when he breaks down? I think that is a legitimate question considering 3 wide is a staple of our passing game, they are basically a starter. Need to find somebody young, especially since Decker and DT are inching closer to their rookie contracts expiring.

BroncoBeavis
02-04-2013, 01:31 PM
Every team has areas they can improve including us....but am I the only Broncos fan who feels like a lot of this kind of stuff is being blown out of proportion? Guys EVERY SINGLE THING went Baltimore's way against us. The weather, the bounces, the calls. And even after all of it if we knock down a hail mary we win. And even after the hail mary we still could have won.

I think we all agree now looking back had we beat them we more than likely would have won the Super Bowl. Obviously that is no sure thing but there is a pretty good chance of it. Can't we all just recognize that was just one of those days where nothing went right unfortunately for us? I don't think we need to start talking about making lots of changes. We were a fluke day away from probably winning the Super Bowl. Period.

Only one I can't look past is Fox/McCoy (although the McCoy problem took care of itself)

Flukes and bad luck happen to everyone sooner or later. But they're much harder to overcome when you're playing not to lose.

LetsGoBroncos
02-04-2013, 01:37 PM
Only one I can't look past is Fox/McCoy (although the McCoy problem took care of itself)

Flukes and bad luck happen to everyone sooner or later. But they're much harder to overcome when you're playing not to lose.

I'm saying I don't think we need to go as far as talking about an issue at QB. One of those 25 things that went wrong goes our way and we beat Balt and more than likely are celebrating a Super Bowl victory.

Ironlung
02-04-2013, 01:44 PM
That was Terrell "my lips are the size of baseballs" Suggs

He really is the ugliest dude ive ever seen...he makes sloth from the goonies look like brad pitt.

BroncoBeavis
02-04-2013, 01:52 PM
I'm saying I don't think we need to go as far as talking about an issue at QB. One of those 25 things that went wrong goes our way and we beat Balt and more than likely are celebrating a Super Bowl victory.

I hear ya. But even assuming there is something to the Manning psyche that tends towards this kind of finish, the way to exorcise those demons is to look at 31 seconds and 2 timeouts up on the scoreboard, grab Peyton's facemask, tell him he's the ****ing greatest to ever play the game and go out there and ****ing prove it.

John Harbaugh shows 10x as much confidence in Joe FN Flacco. It's disgusting honestly. Here we go, I'm pissed again. :)

NFLBRONCO
02-04-2013, 01:54 PM
I'll take Playoff Elway over Playoff Peyton anyday. Denver has alot to overcome to win a ring.

1. Best players need to shine at money time. (none did)
2. Denver needs to focus harder on the lines
3. Denver needs a two fast playmakers on offense
4. MLB must be solved in 13
5. Denver needs a legit answer at RB

Lots of work for FO with 2 yr window.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-04-2013, 02:04 PM
I hear ya. But even assuming there is something to the Manning psyche that tends towards this kind of finish, the way to exorcise those demons is to look at 31 seconds and 2 timeouts up on the scoreboard, grab Peyton's facemask, tell him he's the ****ing greatest to ever play the game and go out there and ****ing prove it.

John Harbaugh shows 10x as much confidence in Joe FN Flacco. It's disgusting honestly. Here we go, I'm pissed again. :)

They called a run play after the spot ball challenge was won by the niners. It was 3rd and short and it was a run play. Flacco audibles into a 17 yard strike with full confidence in Boldin. Manning audibles passes into runs on 3rd downs alot this year. I don't understand that much.

cmhargrove
02-04-2013, 02:21 PM
I agree with everything but the Manning issue.

Anyone here honestly believe we would have gone 13-3 and gotten the first seed with another QB? I understand the logic behind "Manning chokes in the playoffs," but does anyone believe the Broncos would have had the same success with anyone but a handful of QB's?

I am significantly concerned about the O-line. As a matter of fact, I think that the O-line may have been the main culprit for our early exit from the playoffs. I trust Elway to address this in the offseason.

Also, our RB situation certainly doesn't fit the Fox "ball control" system. A young McGahee would be terriffic, but the current one just can't be counted on to last an entire season and lead us to the promised land. We need more blue chip talent on the line and in the RB corps.

bronco militia
02-04-2013, 02:24 PM
I'll take Playoff Elway over Playoff Peyton anyday. Denver has alot to overcome to win a ring.

1. Best players need to shine at money time. (none did)
2. Denver needs to focus harder on the lines
3. Denver needs a two fast playmakers on offense still
4. MLB must be solved in 13
5. Denver needs a legit answer at RB

Lots of work for FO with 2 yr window.

Can John play Safety too?

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-04-2013, 02:28 PM
I agree with everything but the Manning issue.

Anyone here honestly believe we would have gone 13-3 and gotten the first seed with another QB? I understand the logic behind "Manning chokes in the playoffs," but does anyone believe the Broncos would have had the same success with anyone but a handful of QB's?

I am significantly concerned about the O-line. As a matter of fact, I think that the O-line may have been the main culprit for our early exit from the playoffs. I trust Elway to address this in the offseason.

Also, our RB situation certainly doesn't fit the Fox "ball control" system. A young McGahee would be terriffic, but the current one just can't be counted on to last an entire season and lead us to the promised land. We need more blue chip talent on the line and in the RB corps.


I don't think Oline was the early exit reason. After Baltimore tied the game up that Oline and manning produced a 10 play 88 yard 4th quarter TD drive. That was a game winning drive. No choking there. Adams sealed that game winning drive with a 4th down pass defended. Other reasons such as a coach who's balls shriveled up or a UCLA alum who never learned to run to a ball were the culprit.

Totally agree about RB. injury prone backs don't help the cause either. Need quality backs that can be counted on to play entire games.

BroncoBeavis
02-04-2013, 02:30 PM
They called a run play after the spot ball challenge was won by the niners. It was 3rd and short and it was a run play. Flacco audibles into a 17 yard strike with full confidence in Boldin. Manning audibles passes into runs on 3rd downs alot this year. I don't understand that much.

Someone somewhere in a position of influence still believes the Broncos have a power running game. Even sans Willis or KM. I don't get it either.

rbackfactory80
02-04-2013, 02:33 PM
I agree with everything but the Manning issue.

Anyone here honestly believe we would have gone 13-3 and gotten the first seed with another QB? I understand the logic behind "Manning chokes in the playoffs," but does anyone believe the Broncos would have had the same success with anyone but a handful of QB's?

I am significantly concerned about the O-line. As a matter of fact, I think that the O-line may have been the main culprit for our early exit from the playoffs. I trust Elway to address this in the offseason.

Also, our RB situation certainly doesn't fit the Fox "ball control" system. A young McGahee would be terriffic, but the current one just can't be counted on to last an entire season and lead us to the promised land. We need more blue chip talent on the line and in the RB corps.

I 100 percent agree with you that there was no one we could have picked up or kept from last year on the roster that would have had more success. But when people like me suggested keeping Tebow, it was to help build our team and then when we have a legit shot at a QB take him. ****, Alex Smith made the championship game last year and Flacco is a Superbowl Champion. If you insert a good QB onto a great team, he has a very good chance of building the confidence he needs and succeeding. IE Russell Wilson! With all the success of the new QB class it makes it clear you don't need the best QB in the game to win a Superbowl.

Trying to take shortcuts and buy championships usually doesn't work.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-04-2013, 02:33 PM
Someone somewhere in a position of influence still believes the Broncos have a power running game. Even sans Willis or KM. I don't get it either.

Yep it's a head scratcher. And it didnt seem to matter who was in the backfield. I about lost it when it's 3rd and 5, and its up the middle for Hester. Ha!

OBF1
02-04-2013, 02:34 PM
I just read that Titus Young was released by the Lions. IF he can get his act together, he would be a real good addition. I am excited about next season, Lets see who we add via free agency and the draft.

On a side note, Terrell Suggs mouth/teeth and gums remind of Butthead from cartoon.

Heyneck
02-04-2013, 02:36 PM
“The regular season is great, but it doesn’t mean anything unless you do something in the playoffs with it. He had the same tag about him in college at Tennessee: ‘He couldn’t win the big one.’ The year after he left Tee Martin leads the team to the national championship.

“I realize (Manning) has won a Super Bowl, but he didn’t really play that well in that Super Bowl. It was kind of a rainy day against the Bears. And the next year he lost a Super Bowl where he threw a Pick-6 to the Saints. So I think there’s some concern there.”

“I think he puts so much pressure to be perfect all the time, and football is not a game of perfection. You have to roll with the mistakes, and overcome them and not let the pressure get to you. And I think that he puts so much pressure on himself that it affects him in the playoffs.”

Seems to me there were conversations like this back in January 1997 about another QB.

John had taken 3 teams to the SB by then and lost. Plus... John didn't go into the playoffs numerous time with the best team to go 1 and done 8 different times. Plus.... there is still the no QB has won another SB with a different team stat. Here is hopping PM is the one to do that first, but he does have a very lousy playoff history.

cmhargrove
02-04-2013, 02:36 PM
I don't think Oline was the early exit reason. After Baltimore tied the game up that Oline and manning produced a 10 play 88 yard 4th quarter TD drive. That was a game winning drive. No choking there. Adams sealed that game winning drive with a 4th down pass defended. Other reasons such as a coach who's balls shriveled up or a UCLA alum who never learned to run to a ball were the culprit.

I agree with your statements, but maybe I will say that the merging of the Fox system and the Manning system may have created the issues. We just couldn't finish the "run out the clock" scenarios against the Ravens when it counted. I understand that our injured RB's were a major factor, but we just couldn't push them around in the mile high air when the season was on the line.

To me, that means we either need work on the o-line, or we need to change our offensive theory. Maybe a little of both.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-04-2013, 02:41 PM
I 100 percent agree with you that there was no one we could have picked up or kept from last year on the roster that would have had more success. But when people like me suggested keeping Tebow, it was to help build our team and then when we have a legit shot at a QB take him. ****, Alex Smith made the championship game last year and Flacco is a Superbowl Champion. If you insert a good QB onto a great team, he has a very good chance of building the confidence he needs and succeeding. IE Russell Wilson! With all the success of the new QB class it makes it clear you don't need the best QB in the game to win a Superbowl.

Trying to take shortcuts and buy championships usually doesn't work.

It's not that easy though. Take manning off this team and does it look the same? There are QBs that make teams better. Matt Flynn lead Seattle to the playoffs? IMO no. Alex smith goes to the superbowl? Nope. Flacco progressed this year. He's not an average QB. It's a passing league. I don't see an average QB audible into a 17 yard strike to Boldin on a crucial 3rd down and short. Kaep showed inexperience on that final redzone opp. An elite QB sees that blitz and throws it over the middle to Davis(who was open with a one on one). Instead Kaep keys in on Crabtree the entire time down there.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-04-2013, 02:43 PM
I agree with your statements, but maybe I will say that the merging of the Fox system and the Manning system may have created the issues. We just couldn't finish the "run out the clock" scenarios against the Ravens when it counted. I understand that our injured RB's were a major factor, but we just couldn't push them around in the mile high air when the season was on the line.

To me, that means we either need work on the o-line, or we need to change our offensive theory. Maybe a little of both.

Ya I agree with you there. One reason why I wanted them tryin a pass on 3rd and 7.

LetsGoBroncos
02-04-2013, 02:49 PM
Don't forget if the refs call PI on the one against Decker that they returned for a TD Manning finishes the game (we don't need OT to win) with 3 TD's and no Int's

BroncoBeavis
02-04-2013, 02:53 PM
It's not that easy though. Take manning off this team and does it look the same? There are QBs that make teams better. Matt Flynn lead Seattle to the playoffs? IMO no. Alex smith goes to the superbowl? Nope. Flacco progressed this year. He's not an average QB. It's a passing league. I don't see an average QB audible into a 17 yard strike to Boldin on a crucial 3rd down and short. Kaep showed inexperience on that final redzone opp. An elite QB sees that blitz and throws it over the middle to Davis(who was open with a one on one). Instead Kaep keys in on Crabtree the entire time down there.

I still don't buy into Flacco. He has a WR corps that simply caught fire this postseason. Boldin wasn't even open on that play, but he made it work. JF was underthrowing deep routes by 10 yards last night and they'd still come back and get it.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-04-2013, 03:01 PM
I still don't buy into Flacco. He has a WR corps that simply caught fire this postseason. Boldin wasn't even open on that play, but he made it work. JF was underthrowing deep routes by 10 yards last night and they'd still come back and get it.

It took me up until this year to think he's good. I can't consider him elite at all, but ill say he's gone from average to good IMO. We will see next year though if he can actually be consistent. Winning in Mannings house, then Brady's house is impressive. Of course, Sanchez did that and he sucks. Haha

SonOfLe-loLang
02-04-2013, 03:24 PM
I still don't buy into Flacco. He has a WR corps that simply caught fire this postseason. Boldin wasn't even open on that play, but he made it work. JF was underthrowing deep routes by 10 yards last night and they'd still come back and get it.

I think he played great this post season, and he'll get his money, but it wouldnt shock me if he came back to his normal play next season.

That said, which week did the Ravens figure that throwing to Boldin and simply having him go get it was a good idea. Because they didnt do that for much of the season, but the beginning of the post season, it was a go to for them.

rbackfactory80
02-04-2013, 03:29 PM
It's not that easy though. Take manning off this team and does it look the same? There are QBs that make teams better. Matt Flynn lead Seattle to the playoffs? IMO no. Alex smith goes to the superbowl? Nope. Flacco progressed this year. He's not an average QB. It's a passing league. I don't see an average QB audible into a 17 yard strike to Boldin on a crucial 3rd down and short. Kaep showed inexperience on that final redzone opp. An elite QB sees that blitz and throws it over the middle to Davis(who was open with a one on one). Instead Kaep keys in on Crabtree the entire time down there.

No, it's very hard, I agree. But many teams that are good and sustain that usually don't bring in players like Manning. Baltimore has been a good tough team for a long time. I just want our own version of Ozzie picking big, mean,and intelligent players at a great hit-pick rate.

Pittsburgh, NE Home grown talent.

If you need that one piece to get over the top then fine, but we paid a lot for Manning and we have many important contract issues coming up. Doesn't seem we are going to have a lot of room to build/add nice role players this offseason. We can't trot out this same team next year, we need to get better especially at MLB.

Play2win
02-04-2013, 03:45 PM
Agreed on these fronts. Denver should annually make an investment in the OL/DL. The good teams do. I think we have to find another DB, and a playmaker to eventually replace Stokely, either at TE or WR. That to me is probably the biggest concern unless we can sign somebody in FA.

I think if we get another WR with D. Thomas like size, or a Shannon Sharpe clone at TE, It would go a long ways to us getting in, and winning the Superbowl.

Play2win
02-04-2013, 03:47 PM
i liked him better when he didnt talk ;D

Yeah, where's the Kangaroo Court when you need it?!?

DryHeat
02-04-2013, 03:55 PM
I think you guys are really just a MLB away from competing. I was hoping you guys would've grabbed Whisenhunt - him + Manning would be unstoppable.

I don't know about all this talk about a #2 WR, but you could do well with a good RB.

oubronco
02-04-2013, 04:03 PM
Just payoff the league and there set it worked for the Ratbirds

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-04-2013, 04:04 PM
No, it's very hard, I agree. But many teams that are good and sustain that usually don't bring in players like Manning. Baltimore has been a good tough team for a long time. I just want our own version of Ozzie picking big, mean,and intelligent players at a great hit-pick rate.

Pittsburgh, NE Home grown talent.

If you need that one piece to get over the top then fine, but we paid a lot for Manning and we have many important contract issues coming up. Doesn't seem we are going to have a lot of room to build/add nice role players this offseason. We can't trot out this same team next year, we need to get better especially at MLB.

I agree there are needs but they aren't looking to make many big moves IMO. Vegas is not dumb and they pinned the broncos as favorites to win next years superbowl. I have complete faith in Russell and Sullivan. These guys know what they are doing in making the team better, while controlling that cap number.

When the TV contracts come in, the cap ceiling is going to skyrocket. Will be a HUGE increase. Some saying a 50 million or so jump.

DryHeat
02-04-2013, 04:09 PM
Just payoff the league and there set it worked for the Ratbirds

How much do you think it would cost? Pretty steep considering a team's payroll. Should just match what the Ravens dolled out and hope it gets a Super Bowl.

DENVERDUI55
02-04-2013, 04:20 PM
On a side note, Terrell Suggs mouth/teeth and gums remind of Butthead from cartoon.

Bubba from Forest Gump.

Tombstone RJ
02-04-2013, 04:24 PM
The thing about Manning is he didn't lose the game for the Broncos IMHO. He may not have had his best game, but he didn't lose the game either. It was a team loss, coupled with lousy officiating. It's just the way it goes sometimes. In other words, sometimes the best team doe not win, especially when it's a one-and-done situation.

NFLBRONCO
02-04-2013, 04:32 PM
The thing about Manning is he didn't lose the game for the Broncos IMHO. He may not have had his best game, but he didn't lose the game either. It was a team loss, coupled with lousy officiating. It's just the way it goes sometimes. In other words, sometimes the best team doe not win, especially when it's a one-and-done situation.

Why he was the one that threw the pick in OT game over. If Orton or Tebow threw that pick fans here would tar and feather them but, not even alittle blame on Manning amazing. Yes I'd rather have Manning over them anyday but, he did screw up.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-04-2013, 04:33 PM
Why he was the one that threw the pick in OT game over. If Orton or Tebow threw that pick fans here would tar and feather them but, not Manning crazy.

Because the game should have been long over by that point.

Regardless of how the Broncos scored 35 pts, they scored 35 pts. For a defense like ours, that should have been more than enough.

Tombstone RJ
02-04-2013, 04:39 PM
Why he was the one that threw the pick in OT game over. If Orton or Tebow threw that pick fans here would tar and feather them but, not even alittle blame on Manning amazing. Yes I'd rather have Manning over them anyday but, he did screw up.

The game should have never gone into OT but the defense played lousy. Again, I'm not saying Manning played his best game, clearly he didn't. But he left the team in a great position to win and the defense failed.

NFLBRONCO
02-04-2013, 04:42 PM
Because the game should have been long over by that point.

Regardless of how the Broncos scored 35 pts, they scored 35 pts. For a defense like ours, that should have been more than enough.


I agree with you it should have been over long before that point.


Zero blame on Manning he was last person to screw up. I'm not saying go crazy about it but, he deserves alittle more wrath for a 1st ballot HOF player.

DENVERDUI55
02-04-2013, 04:43 PM
If you lose a game where you score 35 points it all goes on the defense.

Kaylore
02-04-2013, 04:43 PM
People are still gonna pick this scab I guess.

NFLBRONCO
02-04-2013, 04:45 PM
The game should have never gone into OT but the defense played lousy. Again, I'm not saying Manning played his best game, clearly he didn't. But he left the team in a great position to win and the defense failed.


Agree here

Not picking at you just pissed we blew it.

jerseyboiler120
02-04-2013, 04:49 PM
Don't forget if the refs call PI on the one against Decker that they returned for a TD Manning finishes the game (we don't need OT to win) with 3 TD's and no Int's


A voice of reason, and a 110% true statement.

We were jobbed. Plain and simple. We don't need to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch. Keep in mind I doubt any one expected a SB victory in Peyton's first season here. Even 6 games in everyone was saying its a work in progress. The team exceeded any and all expectations, and as a result actually raised expectations to a championship or bust.

Without the refs and the league worshipping the murderer we win that game and the SB.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-04-2013, 05:02 PM
I agree with you it should have been over long before that point.


Zero blame on Manning he was last person to screw up. I'm not saying go crazy about it but, he deserves alittle more wrath for a 1st ballot HOF player.

I dont think anyone is absolving him of blame, i think people are saying point the first few fingers elsewhere

Requiem
02-04-2013, 05:03 PM
We should clone Tom Nalen.

HorseHead
02-04-2013, 06:05 PM
"Nales" is the best...I miss seeing the stock picture of him that they would use for Monday Night games, that was some funny s-it.

extralife
02-04-2013, 06:10 PM
"Nales" is the best...I miss seeing the stock picture of him that they would use for Monday Night games, that was some funny s-it.

if I had to pick one player to never, ever have a media career, it would have been Tom Nalen

WolfpackGuy
02-04-2013, 06:37 PM
"Nales" is the best...I miss seeing the stock picture of him that they would use for Monday Night games, that was some funny s-it.

I know, right?

Nalen and Ben Hamilton looked like escaped mental patients in those headshots.

Mogulseeker
02-04-2013, 06:40 PM
if I had to pick one player to never, ever have a media career, it would have been Tom Nalen

Listening to him on ESPN radio... he got offers from Boston College, Stanford and Notre Dame.... he's quite eloquent and seems to be a really smart guy.

extralife
02-04-2013, 07:10 PM
I'm sure he is, whatever, the point is the guy looked at the media like they were child rapists during his playing career. The only time I ever heard a word from him was after he retired when he gave some quotes for a story for the Denver Post and he said he just wanted to go sit on a ranch in Maine or whatever it was for the rest of his life.

uplink
02-04-2013, 07:40 PM
That was Terrell "my lips are the size of baseballs" Suggs

Heard during the SB parade Terrell will be dragging his wife along outside his car.

KipCorrington25
02-04-2013, 07:41 PM
He's good on the radio. Kind of chilled out but matter of fact. Also, not screaming and yelling trying to self promote like most of these guys like Joel DB Klatt, etc.

want2bAbronco2
02-05-2013, 08:42 AM
I agree with everything he said, but would like to add:

MLB, DT, and RB are the 3 biggest areas of need imo.

Mike, Brookings played amazing and saved our season imo, but we need a true leader/thumper in there that is young. Look what Rey did in the play offs. I love Brookings, but he cant do that.

DT, imo our biggest need. I like who we have as rotation players but we need a true pass rusher/run stopper. You look at ever elite defense that wins Super Bowls.. Tampa, Ravens, Pits, etc.. they all had elite top level DT. I understand finding someone like Watt is hard as heck, but we let a pretty good DT go to Saints last year for pretty cheap (rather have kept him instead of 15mill on Mayo).

RB, I really like Mcgahee and Moreno (saved our season with his running when he came in), and I like Hillman (played well for a rookie in playoffs), but you look at most all elite offenses and they have a RB that can get the hard 1-2 yards but can also bust 40+ TDs. Did we even have a rushing TD over 30 yards this year? If we can find a great back I think our offense is complete. Our WRs and TEs are great, but with no run game it can be shut down (look at Ravens game).

We need to add depth at OL, DB, and FS/SS as well. I like Moore, he made a horrible play in Ravens game, but so did Champ and every other player. Adams needs to be replaced, and you can never have enough DBs. Hopefully Carter can replace Adams.

Bronco Rob
02-05-2013, 09:54 AM
Bottom line you score 35 points at home you win the game. Losing to the superbowl champs by 3 points in double overtime stings, just goes to show how close this squad is to being the best in the nfl.

BroncoBeavis
02-05-2013, 10:11 AM
Bottom line you score 35 points at home you win the game. Losing to the superbowl champs by 3 points in double overtime stings, just goes to show how close this squad is to being the best in the nfl.

Odds are against getting 7 special teams points in a playoff game again. Let alone 14.

We need some OL depth and a quality young-ish RB (at least late-20's) on offense.

All other ammo should be spent at MLB and Safety. Age here not so much a concern, especially at safety. We win that playoff game if Dawk doesn't retire. No Question.

And I'm talking about next year. DT is a long term thing, but we've got bigger needs in this very narrow window.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:35 AM
The game should have never gone into OT but the defense played lousy. Again, I'm not saying Manning played his best game, clearly he didn't. But he left the team in a great position to win and the defense failed.

No, Trindon Holliday did.

Manning gifted Baltimore 17 points. He played terribly and it's moronic to give him credit because the special teams played excellently and allowed the scoreboard to read closer than the game was.

Manning choked, like he always has in his career. He is who he is.

ThirtyDegrees
02-05-2013, 10:39 AM
Bottom line you score 35 points at home you win the game. Losing to the superbowl champs by 3 points in double overtime stings, just goes to show how close this squad is to being the best in the nfl.

This is ****ing pathetic. This board immediately and viciously turned on both Jake Plummer and Tim Tebow in games with absolutely pathetic defensive collapses. The difference between those two and Peyton Manning is that they were actually capable of winning at least one playoff game at home for the Broncos before it happened to them.

Manning gets the benefit of the doubt because this fanbase is full of hero-worshipping morons.

NFLBRONCO
02-05-2013, 10:41 AM
Odds are against getting 7 special teams points in a playoff game again. Let alone 14.

We need some OL depth and a quality young-ish RB (at least late-20's) on offense.

All other ammo should be spent at MLB and Safety. Age here not so much a concern, especially at safety. We win that playoff game if Dawk doesn't retire. No Question.

And I'm talking about next year. DT is a long term thing, but we've got bigger needs in this very narrow window.

Agree 100% we are in a 2 year Manning window right now. Be interesting to see how Denver addresses weak areas. (aging vets for D and go O early we'll see)

Chris
02-05-2013, 10:44 AM
It's about moments. Manning has had a bit of poor play and a bit of bad luck conspire to make him lose in the playoffs. He played decently in the game vs the Ravens given the ****ty OL performance and, most importantly, the loss of Moreno's pass blocking.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 10:46 AM
This is ****ing pathetic. This board immediately and viciously turned on both Jake Plummer and Tim Tebow in games with absolutely pathetic defensive collapses. The difference between those two and Peyton Manning is that they were actually capable of winning at least one playoff game at home for the Broncos before it happened to them.

Manning gets the benefit of the doubt because this fanbase is full of hero-worshipping morons.

You're being inconsistent here. In one post, you criticize Manning for getting special teams help on his way to leading us to a victory and on the other hand you give all the credit to Plummer for winning ONE playoff game in his entire time here, despite the fact that he played horribly that day (FAR worse than Manning) and it was our defense and special teams that won that game for us.

DENVERDUI55
02-05-2013, 10:50 AM
This is ****ing pathetic. This board immediately and viciously turned on both Jake Plummer and Tim Tebow in games with absolutely pathetic defensive collapses. The difference between those two and Peyton Manning is that they were actually capable of winning at least one playoff game at home for the Broncos before it happened to them.

Manning gets the benefit of the doubt because this fanbase is full of hero-worshipping morons.

Tim Tebow turned the ball over on the first drive against NE. He lead several short drives that ended in punts with 5 3 and outs. The lone TD was set up by an INT by Carter.

Plummer played awful against Pittsburgh and so did the rest of the team. I love Jake Plummer and all he did for Denver but he was bad in the playoffs. Even the win against NE he played mediocre to bad.

Who did this poster used to be JHNS?

BroncoBeavis
02-05-2013, 11:20 AM
Tim Tebow turned the ball over on the first drive against NE. He lead several short drives that ended in punts with 5 3 and outs. The lone TD was set up by an INT by Carter

Peyton Manning also turned the ball over on his first drive, for 7 points going the other way. And last year, that fumble was Tebow's only turnover. PM had two more on top.

I'll say it again, Peyton isn't why we lost that game. But for a GOAT he certainly didn't grab destiny by the nads in any way. He shares a nice helping of blame.

NFLBRONCO
02-05-2013, 11:43 AM
I'll say it again, Peyton isn't why we lost that game. But for a GOAT he certainly didn't grab destiny by the nads in any way. He shares a nice helping of blame.

Nice job this is how I should have put it above ty. What bugs me is all our stars took the day off that day. We should have squashed their will way earlier. Our stars don't show up in Prime Time hope they correct that fast.

BowlenBall
02-05-2013, 11:47 AM
The simple truth of the matter is.... Whatever Tom Nalen's take is on any of the above topics MUST be better than mine, ipso facto.

I'm enthused by his opinion of J.D. Walton, and completely agree that both the Broncos and DJ Williams need a new start.....

Punisher
02-05-2013, 12:00 PM
WTF? Manning played Very well it's a team game. If R. Moore didn't ****ing get beat deep we be super bowl champs if Champ Bailey didn't get his old ass beat all day we be Super Bowl Champs. And I'm sick of people say Joe Flacco is a top 5 QB the asshole just threw a bomb and prayed someone would catch it he didn't execute a drive what so ever against Denver.

peacepipe
02-05-2013, 12:01 PM
This is ****ing pathetic. This board immediately and viciously turned on both Jake Plummer and Tim Tebow in games with absolutely pathetic defensive collapses. The difference between those two and Peyton Manning is that they were actually capable of winning at least one playoff game at home for the Broncos before it happened to them.

Manning gets the benefit of the doubt because this fanbase is full of hero-worshipping morons.

I will hand it to ya,you are consistant. you love two QBs that both required the HC dumbing down the offense in order for there to any success.

DENVERDUI55
02-05-2013, 12:43 PM
WTF? Manning played Very well it's a team game. If R. Moore didn't ****ing get beat deep we be super bowl champs if Champ Bailey didn't get his old ass beat all day we be Super Bowl Champs. And I'm sick of people say Joe Flacco is a top 5 QB the a-hole just threw a bomb and prayed someone would catch it he didn't execute a drive what so ever against Denver.

Very well said. The only good thing is the Ravens will pay Flacco a contract that is waaaay above his value and he will return back to the tier of Sanchez, Locker, and Tannenhill.

BroncoBeavis
02-05-2013, 01:13 PM
WTF? Manning played Very well it's a team game. If R. Moore didn't ****ing get beat deep we be super bowl champs if Champ Bailey didn't get his old ass beat all day we be Super Bowl Champs. And I'm sick of people say Joe Flacco is a top 5 QB the a-hole just threw a bomb and prayed someone would catch it he didn't execute a drive what so ever against Denver.

Manning didn't play well, at least for Manning.

Here's a good comparison.

Peyton had a season QB rating of 107, but only posted a rating of 88 in that game.

Flacco had a season QB rating of 88, but posted a rating of 116.

Just by the numbers, in that game, Joe Flacco played like Peyton Manning, and Peyton Manning played like Joe Flacco.

That said, our team was still good enough to win with that level of QB play, and SHOULD have. But if Peyton plays even to the level of his regular-season average, we win going away.

I don't have any patience for people who blame Champ for the loss but let PFM off the hook.

RaiderH8r
02-05-2013, 01:23 PM
Peyton Manning also turned the ball over on his first drive, for 7 points going the other way. And last year, that fumble was Tebow's only turnover. PM had two more on top.

I'll say it again, Peyton isn't why we lost that game. But for a GOAT he certainly didn't grab destiny by the nads in any way. He shares a nice helping of blame.

Manning has nerve damage so grabbing nads is even harder for him in. He could do some nad fondling perhaps. But grabbing? No. He needs at least another offseason of rehab before that is a remote possibility. But, let's face it, he's never grabbed destiny by the nads really....ever.

Boltjolt
02-05-2013, 02:07 PM
A voice of reason, and a 110% true statement.

We were jobbed. Plain and simple. We don't need to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch. Keep in mind I doubt any one expected a SB victory in Peyton's first season here. Even 6 games in everyone was saying its a work in progress. The team exceeded any and all expectations, and as a result actually raised expectations to a championship or bust.

Without the refs and the league worshipping the murderer we win that game and the SB.

I find it funny how you all say if you would of won against Baltimore, surely you would have won a SB. I dont think you would have beat New England or SF but all you think it would be a foregone conclusion.

LetsGoBroncos
02-05-2013, 02:12 PM
I find it funny how you all say if you would of won against Baltimore, surely you would have won a SB. I dont think you would have beat New England or SF but all you think it would be a foregone conclusion.

2 things.

1, did you watch New England the next week? And that was at home. Nothing is certain but odds are we would have beat them.

2, I strongly believe the Broncos would have been so focused had they won after playing an average/bad game against Baltimore.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-05-2013, 02:20 PM
Does anyone know what draft pick we have to give Philly this year when we got Bunkley?

gyldenlove
02-05-2013, 02:40 PM
Does anyone know what draft pick we have to give Philly this year when we got Bunkley?

6th round I am pretty sure.

Tombstone RJ
02-05-2013, 02:45 PM
I find it funny how you all say if you would of won against Baltimore, surely you would have won a SB. I dont think you would have beat New England or SF but all you think it would be a foregone conclusion.

Fact is the eventual SB winner eeked out a win against the Broncos based on the Broncos not playing very well with huge gaffs like Rahim Moore's big coverage mistake and extremely questionable officiating.

I'm confident that if the Broncos would have gone to NE they would have played much better and had they gotten to the SB they would have been primed for a great game. JMHO of course.

peacepipe
02-05-2013, 02:56 PM
Fact is the eventual SB winner eeked out a win against the Broncos based on the Broncos not playing very well with huge gaffs like Rahim Moore's big coverage mistake and extremely questionable officiating.

I'm confident that if the Broncos would have gone to NE they would have played much better and had they gotten to the SB they would have been primed for a great game. JMHO of course.

actually NE would have come to us.

Tombstone RJ
02-05-2013, 03:08 PM
actually NE would have come to us.

oh yah. Well, what a waste.

NFLBRONCO
02-05-2013, 11:08 PM
Can John play Safety too?

We'll see what Denver does at S position in 13. I expect Dawkins type signing but, we'll see if FO actually does upgrade.

lonestar
02-06-2013, 12:18 AM
Agreed on these fronts. Denver should annually make an investment in the OL/DL. The good teams do. I think we have to find another DB, and a playmaker to eventually replace Stokely, either at TE or WR. That to me is probably the biggest concern unless we can sign somebody in FA.

Once we are there player wise, like other good teams seem to do devote a high draft choice to the LOS players.

Of the nine players there if you take one in the first every other year it would only take 18 years total to totally turn the enitre group over. Since most of these players can play as many as 12-14 years unless you have a raft of injuries to younger players yoi should be able to keep the entire LOS replenished with top talent as well as build great depth.

You of course will lose some to UFA so occasionally may have to dedicate your top two choices to replenish them. Or take them two in a row.

Hopefully we will get to the point that BPA is taken every year even if it is not a position of need.

I'd rather have three top flight OGs than one and maybe.

lonestar
02-06-2013, 12:18 AM
Agreed on these fronts. Denver should annually make an investment in the OL/DL. The good teams do. I think we have to find another DB, and a playmaker to eventually replace Stokely, either at TE or WR. That to me is probably the biggest concern unless we can sign somebody in FA.

Once we are there player wise, like other good teams seem to do devote a high draft choice to the LOS players.

Of the nine players there if you take one in the first every other year it would only take 18 years total to totally turn the enitre group over. Since most of these players can play as many as 12-14 years unless you have a raft of injuries to younger players yoi should be able to keep the entire LOS replenished with top talent as well as build great depth.

You of course will lose some to UFA so occasionally may have to dedicate your top two choices to replenish them. Or take them two in a row.

Hopefully we will get to the point that BPA is taken every year even if it is not a position of need.

I'd rather have three top flight OGs than one and maybe.

ZONA
02-06-2013, 02:25 AM
Tom had some good points that I agree with. I also thought Walton was playing well, especially with a new QB and the style that came with him, against high quality opponents, before getting injured. I think we're fine at center if he comes back healthy and we also resign Koppen. We need to get some depth guard though. Would love to see somebody come in and push Kuper and Beadles. Need a speedy slot guy. Of course a MLB, without question. Not in love with any of our safeties. Bring in somebody good, he'll take at least 1 of the safety spots. Difference maker at DT. I think our guys are hard working and fight their asses off but still would like to see a real talented hard worker to throw in the mix. Really interested to see how much Jackson improves this offseason. I liked what I saw from him last preseason. Add another RB to the mix, for depth.

BroncoInferno
02-06-2013, 06:56 AM
Peyton Manning also turned the ball over on his first drive, for 7 points going the other way.

Because of a horrible PI no-call. That was on the refs, not Manning.

barryr
02-06-2013, 07:35 AM
I think MLB and SS are the priorities, at least for the defense. I guess Irving isn't working out since even Brooking played ahead of him. A bigger type safety would be nice at SS who could help support the run a bit better.

A slot WR with more speed would be nice as well. If the o-line is healthy, then that is fine, but depth is not very good there, so in case more injuries, they could use better talent as backups.

The DL is not as good as it needs to be IMO. I am thinking if they keep Dumervil, they are better off using more a 3-4 defense. Most teams play both 3-4 and 4-3 during games, but I don't like the idea of Miller being wasted so much in pass coverage. He is by far their best pass rusher. Dumervil just isn't a guy that can be counted on by himself to generate a pass rush and probably would be better moving around in an OLB type position, sort of like the way the Steelers use their OLB's.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-06-2013, 08:47 AM
Because of a horrible PI no-call. That was on the refs, not Manning.

Would that int happen without the PI? IMO nope. Decker wouldve done enough too either catch it or make it incomplete.

Bronco Rob
02-06-2013, 08:51 AM
Just read that the Broncos have the easiest schedule going into next season, some food for thought.

DENVERDUI55
02-06-2013, 09:02 AM
Just read that the Broncos have the easiest schedule going into next season, some food for thought.

Food for thought that doesn't mean crap. I just need to keep cutting and pasting this since I type it a bunch of times over the year. The schedule is always harder than thought if it was supposed to be easy and the schedule is always easier than thought. Last years schedule was supposed to be brutal and wasn't that bad.

CEH
02-06-2013, 09:03 AM
Just read that the Broncos have the easiest schedule going into next season, some food for thought.

Every other team in the AFCW has an easier schedule than Denver. They have too

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-06-2013, 09:06 AM
Just read that the Broncos have the easiest schedule going into next season, some food for thought.

Thanks to the west. Those 3 teams dropped that win percentage big time. The chiefs I think dropped it 19% by themselves.

Smilin Assassin
02-06-2013, 09:11 AM
Food for thought that doesn't mean crap. I just need to keep cutting and pasting this since I type it a bunch of times over the year. The schedule is always harder than thought if it was supposed to be easy and the schedule is always easier than thought. Last years schedule was supposed to be brutal and wasn't that bad.

^This.

Doesn't really mean anything. We do play the colts, pats, giants, redskins, texans this yr. All should be considered tough games.

Add in divisional games (yeah, I know, but divisional games are different..) and I'm sure a few upstart/suprise teams next year, and really it'll come down to whether or not the Broncos come out w/same focus this yr as last yr.

BroncoBeavis
02-06-2013, 09:48 AM
Every other team in the AFCW has an easier schedule than Denver. They have too

That's a good point. I never thought about it that way.

Tombstone RJ
02-06-2013, 10:42 AM
No, Trindon Holliday did.

Manning gifted Baltimore 17 points. He played terribly and it's moronic to give him credit because the special teams played excellently and allowed the scoreboard to read closer than the game was.

Manning choked, like he always has in his career. He is who he is.

lol, I love how you ignore the fact that I said Manning didn't play his best game. I've said many times it was a team loss, combined with unispiring coaching and bad officiating. Yet the Broncos were in it until the end. Against a team that went to foxboro and dominated and then were dominating the Niners until a mysterious power outage.

Cito Pelon
02-06-2013, 05:45 PM
It's about moments. Manning has had a bit of poor play and a bit of bad luck conspire to make him lose in the playoffs. He played decently in the game vs the Ravens given the ****ty OL performance and, most importantly, the loss of Moreno's pass blocking.

Yeah, Manning played decently but really Balt had a lot of things bottled up - and as you mentioned had good pressure on him from all angles. And also like you said when Moreno went out there was two crucial plays where Ball and Hillman blew their protections.

Balt just outplayed and outcoached Denver, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Agamemnon
02-06-2013, 06:11 PM
What is there to consider when it comes to Manning? He's our best option until he retires, even if he's a bit of a dud in the playoffs.

NFLBRONCO
02-06-2013, 08:25 PM
What is there to consider when it comes to Manning? He's our best option until he retires, even if he's a bit of a dud in the playoffs.

Agree 100%

cutthemdown
02-06-2013, 08:42 PM
Manning not a question because there is no question we have no way of doing better at this point. We live and die with Manning until he hangs it up. I doubt more then 2 more yrs. For Manning to get over the him in the playoffs he needs the same thing Elway did. A dominant running game. You get Manning all those 3rd and shorts are running game crapped out on, throw in some big runs and Manning can still win it all.

Broncos should look for oline and help at RB. Moreno i was told is dirt cheap still for one more yr so you keep him as depth. Hillman IMO doesn't look that special. I think he is a good change of pace but seems to get blasted trying to block.

Mcgahee I just think is probably done. I don't feel good about him coming back. He already lacked big plays It won't get better.

Broncos should draft another RB, draft oline, and try to build a dominant run game.

cutthemdown
02-06-2013, 08:46 PM
What is there to consider when it comes to Manning? He's our best option until he retires, even if he's a bit of a dud in the playoffs.

Exactly what are they going to do draft Andrew Luck at the bottom of round 1 this yr, play Osweiler? Sign Alex Smith? Bleh Manning still top 10 qbs in the league. He is 8 times 1 and done in the playoffs. I agree with people that is not very good. But still how good of a chance do you think Rivers has over Manning? or whoever Raiders roll out? Or Geno Smith a rookie in KC? I will still say we are better positioned there.

Like i was saying I think build a dominant run game. Get some guards who can maul people down the field. I wasn't really impressed with either of the TE blocking ability, its not horrid but not really good in short yardage. Broncos started bringing in an extra oline sometimes right?

At this point Broncos should look to get more physical anywhere they can. Look to get meaner, get nastier. IMO that means big uglies on the dline, middle linebacker, more at interior oline.

cutthemdown
02-06-2013, 08:47 PM
The defense could use someone like Romo that comes in spits on people, hits them in the balls in the pile, talks trash, and gets us to be meaner.

DENVERDUI55
02-06-2013, 10:21 PM
The defense could use someone like Romo that comes in spits on people, hits them in the balls in the pile, talks trash, and gets us to be meaner.

Romo had all that and the biggest trait you left out on him was his ability to make big time plays in big time games. He always was making a huge sack, INT, TFL, or FF.

NFLBRONCO
02-06-2013, 10:24 PM
Romo had all that and the biggest trait you left out on him was his ability to make big time plays in big time games. He always was making a huge sack, INT, TFL, or FF.

Yep something we found out this team lacks

Bronco Rob
02-07-2013, 09:49 AM
even if he's a bit of a dud in the playoffs.


Look at our post-Elway track record in the playoffs..

Brian Griese 0-1

Jake Plummer 1-3

Tim Tebow 1-1


I'll take his 9 wins all day every day.

Heyneck
02-07-2013, 09:53 AM
Look at our post-Elway track record in the playoffs..

Brian Griese 0-1

Jake Plummer 1-3

Tim Tebow 1-1


I'll take his 9 wins all day every day.

You can't count his 9 wins. If you are looking at our post-Elway record in the playofss, PM is 0-1. And an overall record of 9-11. So... yeah he was right. PM is far from solid in the playoffs. The year he won the superbowl he had a really bad playoff run. The defense stepped up during that run, plus he got to play against Rex Grossman in the SB.

Heyneck
02-07-2013, 10:00 AM
Exactly what are they going to do draft Andrew Luck at the bottom of round 1 this yr, play Osweiler? Sign Alex Smith? Bleh Manning still top 10 qbs in the league. He is 8 times 1 and done in the playoffs. I agree with people that is not very good. But still how good of a chance do you think Rivers has over Manning? or whoever Raiders roll out? Or Geno Smith a rookie in KC? I will still say we are better positioned there.

Like i was saying I think build a dominant run game. Get some guards who can maul people down the field. I wasn't really impressed with either of the TE blocking ability, its not horrid but not really good in short yardage. Broncos started bringing in an extra oline sometimes right?

At this point Broncos should look to get more physical anywhere they can. Look to get meaner, get nastier. IMO that means big uglies on the dline, middle linebacker, more at interior oline.

Doesn't Rivers have a wining record against PM (including playoffs)?

Anyway... PM is not our problem (until we get to the playoffs). Totally agree about getting nastier in both trenches. Would really love a TE like Finley, and a back like Steven Jackson. Both are great players... and both great blockers.

Still think that with KM healthy, we win that game. And **** the Colts!!! Can't get around my head they going from Manning to Luck. Guess it must be some sort of karma repayment from losing out on Elway when they had the rights and shot at landing him. BASTARDS!!!

Bronco Rob
02-07-2013, 10:20 AM
You can't count his 9 wins. If you are looking at our post-Elway record in the playofss, PM is 0-1. And an overall record of 9-11. So... yeah he was right. PM is far from solid in the playoffs. The year he won the superbowl he had a really bad playoff run. The defense stepped up during that run, plus he got to play against Rex Grossman in the SB.



Point taken. Counter point: Only Manning's first season in Denver, on a new team, in a new offense, with new backs /receivers that were on their third offense in three seasons as well.The Defense went for 32nd in 2010 to 23rd in 2011. This season finished 4th in points allowed, 2nd in yards given up per game and tied for the lead is sacks. Would be shocked to see regression on either side of the ball in 2013.

Heyneck
02-07-2013, 12:16 PM
Point taken. Counter point: Only Manning's first season in Denver, on a new team, in a new offense, with new backs /receivers that were on their third offense in three seasons as well.The Defense went for 32nd in 2010 to 23rd in 2011. This season finished 4th in points allowed, 2nd in yards given up per game and tied for the lead is sacks. Would be shocked to see regression on either side of the ball in 2013.

No doubt about that. I have always said PM is the best QB I have seen play (started really watching football during the 99 season, and became a Bronco fan in 2000). But there is something that just doesn't click with him during the playoff like it's the norm during the regular season. I have no doubt we will kick ass on O next year, and pretty positive we will be around the same rankings on D as long as we stay healthy.

Still will be very nervous when we reach the playoffs. Not like most of the over confident people we had around here before the Balt game. Playoffs is a totally different atmosphere. If you don't have that killer instinct, we aren't getting really far.

Boltjolt
02-07-2013, 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by Bronco Rob View Post
Point taken. Counter point: Only Manning's first season in Denver, on a new team, in a new offense, with new backs /receivers that were on their third offense in three seasons as well.

New offense? Its pretty much the same one he has been running for years. The coaches adapted to HIM and what he likes to do. Agree with the new WR's and even then he had two he was very familiar with in Stokley and Tamme.

Peyton is a great QB...in the regular season but his arm looks like it is losing some steam.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-07-2013, 12:44 PM
New offense? Its pretty much the same one he has been running for years. The coaches adapted to HIM and what he likes to do. Agree with the new WR's and even then he had two he was very familiar with in Stokley and Tamme.

Peyton is a great QB...in the regular season but his arm looks like it is losing some steam.

In week 17 it looked just fine.

Such an overreaction to one playoff game, in frigid temperatures, and one in which he didn't play that bad, despite what some are saying.

Agamemnon
02-07-2013, 05:03 PM
In week 17 it looked just fine.

Such an overreaction to one playoff game, in frigid temperatures, and one in which he didn't play that bad, despite what some are saying.

Yeah I don't get why people think he played poorly. I was pissed off when he choked with that interception in overtime, but aside from that it was a decent day (the complete lack of long passes not withstanding). I mean his first interception was off blatant pass interference that wasn't called.

Drunken.Broncoholic
02-07-2013, 05:16 PM
Peyton doesn't step up in the 2nd half of that championship game in 2006 they don't go to the superbowl. The 2007 game against the chargers their defense did squat. Manning led a 4th quarter drive to take the lead with a 55 yard bomb. But couldn't hold the lead. Vanderjagt didnt help his cause in 2005. Some of these losses are not on manning. I don't put this broncos loss on him.

Cito Pelon
02-07-2013, 06:57 PM
Manning not a question because there is no question we have no way of doing better at this point. We live and die with Manning until he hangs it up. I doubt more then 2 more yrs. For Manning to get over the him in the playoffs he needs the same thing Elway did. A dominant running game. You get Manning all those 3rd and shorts are running game crapped out on, throw in some big runs and Manning can still win it all.

Broncos should look for oline and help at RB. Moreno i was told is dirt cheap still for one more yr so you keep him as depth. Hillman IMO doesn't look that special. I think he is a good change of pace but seems to get blasted trying to block.

Mcgahee I just think is probably done. I don't feel good about him coming back. He already lacked big plays It won't get better.

Broncos should draft another RB, draft oline, and try to build a dominant run game.

Yeah, Manning doesn't have the long ball option, so they have to be able to make some plays running the ball to keep the chains moving. Peyton is limited physically at this point in his career, and it's not gonna get better.

Cito Pelon
02-07-2013, 07:18 PM
No doubt about that. I have always said PM is the best QB I have seen play (started really watching football during the 99 season, and became a Bronco fan in 2000). But there is something that just doesn't click with him during the playoff like it's the norm during the regular season. I have no doubt we will kick ass on O next year, and pretty positive we will be around the same rankings on D as long as we stay healthy.

Still will be very nervous when we reach the playoffs. Not like most of the over confident people we had around here before the Balt game. Playoffs is a totally different atmosphere. If you don't have that killer instinct, we aren't getting really far.

Yup.

DENVERDUI55
02-07-2013, 08:05 PM
Peyton doesn't step up in the 2nd half of that championship game in 2006 they don't go to the superbowl. The 2007 game against the chargers their defense did squat. Manning led a 4th quarter drive to take the lead with a 55 yard bomb. But couldn't hold the lead. Vanderjagt didnt help his cause in 2005. Some of these losses are not on manning. I don't put this broncos loss on him.

Agreed. It is almost like his team relaxes and thinks well we just have to show up at the stadium we have PFM.