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24champ
02-03-2013, 10:00 PM
Best: I liked the Taco Bell commercial with the old people sneaking out for a good time.

Worst: Dodge's why god made a farmer commercial.

What say you guys?

lonestar
02-03-2013, 10:36 PM
I thought the one about the dodge trucks was powerful.

maher_tyler
02-03-2013, 10:50 PM
Best: I liked the Taco Bell commercial with the old people sneaking out for a good time.

Worst: Dodge's why god made a farmer commercial.

What say you guys?

Totally disagree. Being from a small town in North Dakota and knowing multiple multiple friends and family who run farms. That Commercial nailed it and was/is easily my favorite. I'm guessing you've never been on a farm or done any type of farm work before. People from the city don't understand that commercial most likely.

Mogulseeker
02-03-2013, 11:01 PM
The Dodge Farmer commercial was one of the best commercials I've seen in a long time.

Chrysler Group LLC has really stepped up their game. Starting with the "Imported from Detroit' campaign for Chrysler, then the Jeep ad with the troops, and finally the farmer ad for the Dodge Ram. It's 10-year equity is up 16% to 5.04b, including... talk about an inspirational corporate story. Oh, did I say they had great commercials?

24champ
02-04-2013, 12:06 AM
Totally disagree. Being from a small town in North Dakota and knowing multiple multiple friends and family who run farms. That Commercial nailed it and was/is easily my favorite. I'm guessing you've never been on a farm or done any type of farm work before. People from the city don't understand that commercial most likely.

The Jeep ad was probably the most powerful commercial.

The god made a farmer commercial was way too long and was targeted to a specific demographic of old white males. Boring ad.

theAPAOps5
02-04-2013, 12:08 AM
I loved the God made a Farmer.

lonestar
02-04-2013, 12:51 AM
Totally disagree. Being from a small town in North Dakota and knowing multiple multiple friends and family who run farms. That Commercial nailed it and was/is easily my favorite. I'm guessing you've never been on a farm or done any type of farm work before. People from the city don't understand that commercial most likely.

Most of the city kiddies do not have a clue, I have loads of relatives that have owned farms. Being up at night pulling calves in zero weather is a bicth.

Milking cows before daylight and last thing just before sunset is no walk in the park either. When bossy is full of milk got to empty that bag.

myMind
02-04-2013, 01:25 AM
Most of the city kiddies do not have a clue, I have loads of relatives that have owned farms. Being up at night pulling calves in zero weather is a bicth.

Milking cows before daylight and last thing just before sunset is no walk in the park either. When bossy is full of milk got to empty that bag.

Farmer porn. My mind is blown. No way I could understand a hard days work.

schaaf
02-04-2013, 01:35 AM
Hahahah ^


Being from Eastern Montana I thought the Dodge commercial was probably my favorite. But I'll admit I didn't pay much attention after the power outage and couldn't stop thinking how much of a coincidence the timing was, the NFL does not want. Blowout anymore more than anything

tesnyde
02-04-2013, 05:07 AM
I liked the God Made a Republican ad. Hard work, get the job done, family values, and trucks (though I'm no Dodge fan). Needed some guns, though.

gotfredson
02-04-2013, 05:22 AM
I liked the God Made a Republican ad. Hard work, get the job done, family values, and trucks (though I'm no Dodge fan). Needed some guns, though.


Agree 100%. Guessing only people getting that govt cheese would think different.

srphoenix
02-04-2013, 06:16 AM
The dodge ad was good, I still think the most fun ad of the evening was the Audi S6 where he makes out with the prom queen and drives home with a black eye. Doritos and bud light really dropped the ball this year, literally nothing even remotely good.

Requiem
02-04-2013, 06:20 AM
The Dodge commercial was dumb and pretty much all my ancestors were farmers. Shut up Lonestar. You ain't ever milked ****.

Kaylore
02-04-2013, 06:27 AM
The farmer commercial was good. Paul Harvey was the man.

go_broncos
02-04-2013, 06:27 AM
Who cares about ****ing commercials...**** you fox and manning

CEH
02-04-2013, 06:40 AM
The Famer commercial was good. Paul Harvey was the man.

I thought the narrative was outstanding. And now you know the rest of the story

Kaylore
02-04-2013, 06:41 AM
Who cares about ****ing commercials...**** you fox and manning

http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/a/ab/Denethor.jpg

spdirty
02-04-2013, 06:49 AM
Anything with Paul Harvey in it can't be a bad thing.










































Good Day.:sunshine:

Requiem
02-04-2013, 06:56 AM
Maybe Dodge's plan to mention God and farmers in the same commercial will help them take sales away from Ford, which pretty much has a monopoly in the Northland re: auto sales to farmers.

Kaylore
02-04-2013, 07:10 AM
Req I am convinced you have no idea who Paul Harvey was or just how awesome he was. Everybody liked Paul Harvey. He was an American institution.

Meck77
02-04-2013, 07:20 AM
Loved the Dodge commercial. Sadly we are breading a society of ex-farmers and people who think steak comes from a plastic package from Safeway. Work? Isn't that taking a welfare check to the local mini mart for cigarettes and hot dogs?

Requiem
02-04-2013, 07:24 AM
Req I am convinced you have no idea who Paul Harvey was or just how awesome he was. Everybody liked Paul Harvey. He was an American institution.

Pee-Wee Herman should have been the voice.

Drunk Monkey
02-04-2013, 07:50 AM
I liked the Dodge commercial and I am a city person.

ColoradoDarin
02-04-2013, 07:56 AM
Liked the Dodge/Paul Harvey one.

My favorite was the Willem Defoe as the prince of darkness/Mercedes Benz commercial.

Kaylore
02-04-2013, 07:58 AM
Pee-Wee Herman should have been the voice.

Did you know he (Paul Rubens) was the robot in Flight of the Navigator?

When are they going to remake that epic piece of film?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uq1AyjPBz4I/UKmu6JqaRTI/AAAAAAAAKqA/fKG0-pDbkI0/s1600/FOTN2.jpg

Kaylore
02-04-2013, 07:59 AM
Liked the Dodge/Paul Harvey one.

My favorite was the Willem Defoe as the prince of darkness/Mercedes Benz commercial.

Kate Upton looked pretty good in that.

Crushaholic
02-04-2013, 08:04 AM
The farmer commercial even brought a smattering of applause, to the festivities. Harvey nailed it. The Clydesdale commercial was also great...:thumbs:

bronco militia
02-04-2013, 08:21 AM
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2KBack
02-04-2013, 08:26 AM
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Creeped me out!

Kaylore
02-04-2013, 08:28 AM
My favorite was the one with the kid who kissed the prom queen and got a black eye. That was cool.

My least favorite is the doritos goat.

Crushaholic
02-04-2013, 08:30 AM
There are a lot of candidates for WORST commercial, but I want to mention the cokechase ad. Does anybody know who won, and, more importantly, does anyone care? ROFL!

bronco militia
02-04-2013, 08:30 AM
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Jekyll15Hyde
02-04-2013, 08:32 AM
The Montana ketchup stain commercial was my fav.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-04-2013, 08:32 AM
I was at a bar, so i couldnt hear the commercials, but it seems that every year they try harder and harder and harder, and most just fail. The GoDaddy one above did stand out as a good one to me cuz it was such an odd image to see.

Arguably my fav super bowl commercial of all time was from buy.com several years ago. 30 seconds of a silent, yellow screen with the tiny words buy.com in the middle of it. It was brilliant. Even if you werent paying attention, the silence caused you to stop and look, then move closer to the screen to squint to see what it said. Brilliant.

ColoradoDarin
02-04-2013, 08:38 AM
My favorite was the one with the kid who kissed the prom queen and got a black eye. That was cool.

My least favorite is the doritos goat.

My 4 year old, "what happened to the goat daddy? what happened to the goat?" for like 10 minutes after that stupid commercial aired.

Beantown Bronco
02-04-2013, 08:38 AM
I'm still bitter that there were no Adriana Lima commercials this time around.

NickStixx
02-04-2013, 09:03 AM
Montana Ketchup stain (Tide) commercial had the most reaction at my party. It was pretty funny. Taco Bell oldies going out for a good time was also funny. Have to admit I didn't see all of them though. We started playing beer pong after the kickoff return when it was 28-6.

NickStixx
02-04-2013, 09:05 AM
Though we did start watching again once the game got close...

bronco militia
02-04-2013, 09:33 AM
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Chris
02-04-2013, 09:36 AM
I was actually in on the focus group 6-8 months ago for one of the products that appeared for the first time yesterday. That was cool to see.

I liked the Doritos goat ad to be honest but was hosting so I didn't get to see a lot of the other 'mercials.

EDIT: Yes the Audi prom queen makeout one was awesome.

BroncsCheer
02-04-2013, 10:14 AM
I thought the dad was going to say "Kolob" instead of "Babylandia"

Requiem
02-04-2013, 10:36 AM
That kid who was in the GoDaddy commercial definitely hit his peak. He is going to be a legend in high school and then fade away to irrelevancy, but good on him.

24champ
02-04-2013, 10:54 AM
The farmer ad should have been renamed why god made a migrant worker. They do the majority of the hard farming work for dirt pay nowadays.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-04-2013, 10:59 AM
That kid who was in the GoDaddy commercial definitely hit his peak. He is going to be a legend in high school and then fade away to irrelevancy, but good on him.

He's actually an oft-used extra in hollywood.

Willynowei
02-04-2013, 12:24 PM
Audi commercial really nailed it, you really felt like that car was responsible for his confidence, awesome, although they never show if he went home w/ the girl.

The Montana Ketchup stain was my second favorite,and then the kia commercial w/"wheels on the bus" really got the point across.

Other than that i think what everyone else said - the farmer commercial, the fact its generating so much conversation, both good and bad, means it was a success.

FantomForce
02-04-2013, 12:26 PM
The Jeep ad was probably the most powerful commercial.

The god made a farmer commercial was way too long and was targeted to a specific demographic of old white males. Boring ad.

Don't cuss the farmer when your mouth is full of food

NUB
02-04-2013, 12:47 PM
"God Made a Farmer" was alright, problem is that the U.S. is no longer an agrarian society and all that farm-stuff comes from gigantic corporations. It's like when you buy a carton of eggs and they put that little barn on the labeling, as if eggs today really come from that kind of source. Also, Dodge easily makes the worst vehicles on the market.

Most of the commercials just flat sucked. I thought "GoDaddy" had an okay one with the various people saying they have a brilliant idea and it's so unique no one else could possibly have it. I'm pretty damn sure that's the first time I've even seen GoDaddy make a commercial that's actually relevant to their product.

24champ
02-04-2013, 04:42 PM
Don't cuss the farmer when your mouth is full of food

Not cussing the farmers, just cussing the ad which wasn't done right.

Mogulseeker
02-04-2013, 05:00 PM
My Paternal grandparents: A dairy farmer and a rail worker
My Maternal grandparents: Cotton farmers.

We still have my grandmother's cotton farm down near Ralls, Texas, but we lease it out right now to a corporate farm. My maternal grandfather grew up in Clovis, New Mexico where his dad owned a gas station... until they bought a cotton farm outside Lawton, Oklahoma (hometown of JD Walton) until leaving for Army OCS. Sam Bradford from the Rams is a distant cousin, BTW.

My Paternal grandfather was a hardworking Lutheran-Swede who moved to Cheyenne, WY from Wisconsin to work on the railroad, he enjoyed a cigarette and a glass of whiskey after a 16 hour day (what eventually killed him), and stood on my Dad's school board, and on the city council (yes, as a Republican)....

My Paternal grandmother grew up on dairy farm in between Trinidad and Pueblo, Colorado. It's still there though someone else owns it. She had no heat or running water, and her one-room elementary school is now abandoned.

I still literally get a little choked up watching that Dodge commercial.

Archer81
02-04-2013, 05:11 PM
The farmer ad should have been renamed why god made a migrant worker. They do the majority of the hard farming work for dirt pay nowadays.


Happens when you decide to work in the US without it being legal for you to be here in the first place.

:Broncos:

24champ
02-04-2013, 05:29 PM
Happens when you decide to work in the US without it being legal for you to be here in the first place.

:Broncos:

Actually, it happens because US companies are hiring them when they know they shouldn't but do so anyway because they'll make a bigger profit.

Archer81
02-04-2013, 05:41 PM
Actually, it happens because US companies are hiring them when they know they shouldn't but do so anyway because they'll make a bigger profit.


...because they are illegal.

:Broncos:

Meck77
02-04-2013, 07:35 PM
"God Made a Farmer" was alright, problem is that the U.S. is no longer an agrarian society and all that farm-stuff comes from gigantic corporations.

Not all of it dude. All the reason to support your small farmer at your local markets. Join a CSA (community sponsored agriculture) farm if you can. You can buy a share of the farm and eat some real good grub. Or you can buy horse burgers from Burger King. ;)

Irish Stout
02-04-2013, 10:21 PM
Not all of it dude. All the reason to support your small farmer at your local markets. Join a CSA (community sponsored agriculture) farm if you can. You can buy a share of the farm and eat some real good grub. Or you can buy horse burgers from Burger King. ;)

I truly believe we are slowly and steadily seeing the tide swing back to local and community farmers.

Durango
02-05-2013, 01:24 AM
I come from a long line of ranchers, so the Paul Harvey work ethics commercial really hit home.

By far, I thought the best commercial was the Clydesdale spot. Bud always does a great job with those ads every year, and this one had no drop off in quality.

The ad using the 'Wild Horses' theme that played both years the Broncos won the Super Bowls was so far head and shoulders above any of these that the new ones just seem to pale in comparison, but this Clydesdale commercial was outstanding.

Meck77
02-05-2013, 02:47 AM
I truly believe we are slowly and steadily seeing the tide swing back to local and community farmers.

There are some good trends happening out there for sure. You don't have to own a ton of land to provide good healthy food for your family. There are even great indoor options for people who own no land at all!

IMO there is no excuse to not even attempt to grow some healthy food for you or your family anymore. I'm working on a plan to make it idiot proof. :)

I believe there will be a huge chunk of corporate profits taken back by smaller farms in the coming years. People are slowly waking up and starting to realize that maybe they need to think twice about what they are feeding their precious babies.

v2micca
02-05-2013, 04:46 AM
I guess I am in the vast minority. I absolutely hated the Audi commercial. Struck me as very misogynist. Hey boys, seriously, every high school girl dreams of that guy who couldn't get a date randomly accosting her at prom and forcing his tongue down her throat. Just look at that b**** you know she was getting all wet from that kiss. You want her, take her. Consent is for wusses.

Seriously, when did Audi start catering to the neanderthal mentality?

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 05:29 AM
Seriously, when did Audi start catering to the neanderthal mentality?

When they realized it works and is at least partially responsible for them gaining major market share from BMW, Lexus and Mercedes.

Willynowei
02-05-2013, 05:36 AM
I guess I am in the vast minority. I absolutely hated the Audi commercial. Struck me as very misogynist. Hey boys, seriously, every high school girl dreams of that guy who couldn't get a date randomly accosting her at prom and forcing his tongue down her throat. Just look at that b**** you know she was getting all wet from that kiss. You want her, take her. Consent is for wusses.

Seriously, when did Audi start catering to the neanderthal mentality?

Seriously, you might want to see a doctor about the massive stick up your ass dude.

v2micca
02-05-2013, 05:52 AM
When they realized it works and is at least partially responsible for them gaining major market share from BMW, Lexus and Mercedes.

I really want to argue this point. I really do. But, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I concede to you good sir.

Seriously, you might want to see a doctor about the massive stick up your ass dude.

As I said, vast minority. (I know that's a technically incorrect use of the term but it amuses me) I will also acknowledge that I am generally a joyless cynic who finds little value in 99.999% of content produced for public consumption. (Was going to go one more decimal place on the percentage, but that would have been an exaggeration.)

hades
02-05-2013, 07:31 AM
I didn't actually watch any commercials, and hardly any of the game. Had it on in another room and could hear it, but did not watch much of the game at all.

That being said, do "good" commercials actually influence you to buy a certain product? I've heard a lot of good things about the Dodge commercials "Imported from Detroit", the Farmer one Sunday, etc. But I'd never buy a Dodge automobile.

hades
02-05-2013, 07:37 AM
There are some good trends happening out there for sure. You don't have to own a ton of land to provide good healthy food for your family. There are even great indoor options for people who own no land at all!

IMO there is no excuse to not even attempt to grow some healthy food for you or your family anymore. I'm working on a plan to make it idiot proof. :)

I believe there will be a huge chunk of corporate profits taken back by smaller farms in the coming years. People are slowly waking up and starting to realize that maybe they need to think twice about what they are feeding their precious babies.

Just saw this or I would quoted it with my other post, DOH!

Anyways, I'm no farmer, but I do grow a few things I like to eat, like alfalfa sprouts, and a few other types of sprouts indoors. It is really easy too!. I also grow my own wheatgrass.

This spring I plan on setting up a small section of my yard to grow some veggies, squash, tomatoes and maybe some bell peppers. Nothing much, but stuff we use often enough to try and enjoy growing it ourselves.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 08:26 AM
I didn't actually watch any commercials, and hardly any of the game. Had it on in another room and could hear it, but did not watch much of the game at all.

That being said, do "good" commercials actually influence you to buy a certain product? I've heard a lot of good things about the Dodge commercials "Imported from Detroit", the Farmer one Sunday, etc. But I'd never buy a Dodge automobile.

I've actually looked long and hard at this and gotten into several arguments with people about it. I can definitely say that in my case, maybe 5% of my total purchases are based off of tv advertisements. And almost all of that are very small ticket items that I never would've heard of without seeing the ads. The only exception MIGHT be certain electronics; but even then, I'm not buying based off of a commercial. I'm researching those kinds of purchases online for weeks before I actually buy.

The guys that spend the most money on ads during big events like the SB (beer, soda, doritos, cars/trucks, etc) don't get any more or less money from me than if they saved their money and ran zero ads.

TonyR
02-05-2013, 08:46 AM
The guys that spend the most money on ads during big events like the SB (beer, soda, doritos, cars/trucks, etc) don't get any more or less money from me than if they saved their money and ran zero ads.

It's mostly about brand recognition. Advertising may not directly result in sales, but the goal is to put your brand/product in the consumers' mind. That way, when consumers go to make a purchase, your product is more likely to be one they consider (or at the very least recognize, making it more relevant).

Tombstone RJ
02-05-2013, 08:54 AM
Not all of it dude. All the reason to support your small farmer at your local markets. Join a CSA (community sponsored agriculture) farm if you can. You can buy a share of the farm and eat some real good grub. Or you can buy horse burgers from Burger King. ;)

this, I'm hooking into a CSA this coming summer. My friends are running it and I get free veggies/fruit for helping them out.

Tombstone RJ
02-05-2013, 09:05 AM
It's mostly about brand recognition. Advertising may not directly result in sales, but the goal is to put your brand/product in the consumers' mind. That way, when consumers go to make a purchase, your product is more likely to be one they consider (or at the very least recognize, making it more relevant).

this. Audi knows those commercials will not directly translate into someone getting off their couch and buying an Audi. But what they do know is that anyone thinking about buying a higher end sports/luxury vehicle will now have the name Audi in their heads. "Hey, I want a really nice car like a BMW, Mercedes or what's that other German car? Oh yah, an Audi, I might check them out too." That type of thing.

Anyone growing up in the West (I grew up in CO) knows about Audi due to their quattro cars. We also know about Subarus which are now becoming more widely known. It just amazes me that people all around the USA don't know these vehicles but when you don't really need all wheel drive vehicles then these manufacturers simply aren't part of the equation.

I'm also wildly amazed by how many people buy full size trucks and SUVs that DON'T HAVE 4WD. Lots of people down south don't buy 4WD trucks and SUVs and I'm like, why? Well, they don't need the 4WD capabilities, so they don't buy those big vehicles with 4WD.

Does not compute with me. It's like buying a 2WD Jeep. What's the point?

v2micca
02-05-2013, 10:07 AM
Does not compute with me. It's like buying a 2WD Jeep. What's the point?

Or like buying a Muscle Car with an automatic transmission. I just shake my head at all the 5 speed auto Mustangs I see out there.

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2013, 10:26 AM
Or like buying a Muscle Car with an automatic transmission. I just shake my head at all the 5 speed auto Mustangs I see out there.

In another 5-10 years, you probably won't even be able to buy a manual transmission car. In reality, there's really no advantage to buying a manual over an automatic anymore for 99% of the population, given all the advances in auto transmissions with manual modes and better gas mileage, etc.

broncocalijohn
02-05-2013, 10:29 AM
I guess I am in the vast minority. I absolutely hated the Audi commercial. Struck me as very misogynist. Hey boys, seriously, every high school girl dreams of that guy who couldn't get a date randomly accosting her at prom and forcing his tongue down her throat. Just look at that b**** you know she was getting all wet from that kiss. You want her, take her. Consent is for wusses.

Seriously, when did Audi start catering to the neanderthal mentality?

If you are a dude, I think your wife has your balls in her purse. Please go get them and re-attach. Don't bother to ask her or she will kick your ass. Pansy!

EDIT: Saw that you at least admitted it. Good sport..pansy!

Mogulseeker
02-05-2013, 11:54 AM
I didn't actually watch any commercials, and hardly any of the game. Had it on in another room and could hear it, but did not watch much of the game at all.

That being said, do "good" commercials actually influence you to buy a certain product? I've heard a lot of good things about the Dodge commercials "Imported from Detroit", the Farmer one Sunday, etc. But I'd never buy a Dodge automobile.

Yes. As an MBA student, I appreciate companies that invest in good marketing promotions, and avoid ones who are bad. There are obviously other variables, but if it came down to Ford or Dodge/Chrysler, and everything else was equal, I would go Dodge because of the commercial.

Meck77
02-05-2013, 11:58 AM
Hades/RJ and other agriculturally minded people. Here is a pretty cool FB page with all sorts of back yard/small farm ideas.

I think people forget how much better home grown food is over store bought. When I yank fresh produce off my farm and give it to people they are amazed at how long it stays fresh in their fridge. The reason is people are so programmed into buying produce at the store and it spoiling within days because it was picked 5 or 10 days ago!

https://www.facebook.com/PickAPepper

Mogulseeker
02-05-2013, 12:01 PM
It's about product awareness and branding, too. You may not think it, but what you buy says a little bit about who you are. Cool people buy cool products... practical people buy practical products.

It's called branding.

I used to buy a lot of my clothes at Macy's or Neiman Marcus, for example, and avoided places like Sears precisely because of branding.... but I honestly went to Sears and bought a pair of Levi's after I saw this commercial, which I thought was incredibly well-done:

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I honestly bought a pair of Levi's because of this commercial. One of my marketing profs at DU played this commercial in class to explain the idea of how branding can effect consumers... he basically said this was one of the best commercials he'd ever seen, and I agree with him.

hades
02-05-2013, 12:01 PM
Yes. As an MBA student, I appreciate companies that invest in good marketing promotions, and avoid ones who are bad. There are obviously other variables, but if it came down to Ford or Dodge/Chrysler, and everything else was equal, I would go Dodge because of the commercial.


I like this Ford commercial myself!

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Mogulseeker
02-05-2013, 12:01 PM
Hades/RJ and other agriculturally minded people. Here is a pretty cool FB page with all sorts of back yard/small farm ideas.

I think people forget how much better home grown food is over store bought. When I yank fresh produce off my farm and give it to people they are amazed at how long it stays fresh in their fridge. The reason is people are so programmed into buying produce at the store and it spoiling within days because it was picked 5 or 10 days ago!

https://www.facebook.com/PickAPepper

This is very true... gotta check it out, because I'm tired of shopping at Whole Wallet.

hades
02-05-2013, 12:13 PM
It's about product awareness and branding, too. You may not think it, but what you buy says a little bit about who you are. Cool people buy cool products... practical people buy practical products.

It's called branding.

I used to buy a lot of my clothes at Macy's or Neiman Marcus, for example, and avoided places like Sears precisely because of branding.... but I honestly went to Sears and bought a pair of Levi's after I saw this commercial, which I thought was incredibly well-done:



I honestly bought a pair of Levi's because of this commercial. One of my marketing profs at DU played this commercial in class to explain the idea of how branding can effect consumers... he basically said this was one of the best commercials he'd ever seen, and I agree with him.


I buy stuff I like, no doubt. I like bright colors, so I've had a yellow Mustang and now a Gotta Have It Green one. I only buy Levi jeans cuz that's the brand/style I like. I buy them anywhere that sells Levi's for a good price. I've purchased from JC Penny, the Levi Outlet store and I'm sure my wife has picked up a pair or two for me somewhere else. I've bought Bronco shirts from K-Mart and at the Bronco store at the stadium, as well as Penny's.

I will say, I'll shop anywhere until they piss me off. I never shop at Walmart, and as of a couple years ago, no longer shop at Sears (after being jacked around on a new dishwasher we bought and never received. Took forever for them to figure it out and get our money back, so no more business from us).
Same with Chevy actually, and that was due to a jackwad at a dealership in 1988. Tried to buy my first new car, he said I didn't look like I could afford one. Left, got a new Ford and drove up there the next day to show him I could get one (yeah, I was 19 and married and wearing Levi's). :giggle:

Any major purchase tho, I will research it (except Mustangs, I think I'll always drive one) and buy the product I feel will serve its purpose best for me.

Thx for that link Meck, I just "Liked" the page! Do you follow Juicing Vegetables? Some good info at times, a lot of him pushing his books too tho.
http://www.facebook.com/VegetableJuicing?fref=ts

Tombstone RJ
02-05-2013, 01:12 PM
I like this Ford commercial myself!

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this is a brilliant commercial. All the people see the car they want, based on who they look like (branding) while the little girl sees the car based on who she sees herself on the inside, not on what her parents dressed her like.

You wanna know a little girl's (or a young woman's) state of mind, ask her how SHE sees herself.

The mustang winking at her (turn signal) is a nice touch too.

Mogulseeker
02-05-2013, 01:16 PM
I buy stuff I like, no doubt. I like bright colors, so I've had a yellow Mustang and now a Gotta Have It Green one. I only buy Levi jeans cuz that's the brand/style I like. I buy them anywhere that sells Levi's for a good price. I've purchased from JC Penny, the Levi Outlet store and I'm sure my wife has picked up a pair or two for me somewhere else. I've bought Bronco shirts from K-Mart and at the Bronco store at the stadium, as well as Penny's.

I will say, I'll shop anywhere until they piss me off. I never shop at Walmart, and as of a couple years ago, no longer shop at Sears (after being jacked around on a new dishwasher we bought and never received. Took forever for them to figure it out and get our money back, so no more business from us).
Same with Chevy actually, and that was due to a jackwad at a dealership in 1988. Tried to buy my first new car, he said I didn't look like I could afford one. Left, got a new Ford and drove up there the next day to show him I could get one (yeah, I was 19 and married and wearing Levi's). :giggle:

Any major purchase tho, I will research it (except Mustangs, I think I'll always drive one) and buy the product I feel will serve its purpose best for me.

Thx for that link Meck, I just "Liked" the page! Do you follow Juicing Vegetables? Some good info at times, a lot of him pushing his books too tho.
http://www.facebook.com/VegetableJuicing?fref=ts

Back in the day I was a loyal Sears guy... then I started working for Craftsman. Now, I could take it or leave it. And I must say a lot of it is antiquated marketing techniques.... that whole Sears card/SYWR might have worked when retail was king - but now that they've alienated most of their loyal customers with QA cuts, Sears is just another retailer - and an overpriced one at that.

24champ
02-05-2013, 01:29 PM
Not all of it dude. All the reason to support your small farmer at your local markets. Join a CSA (community sponsored agriculture) farm if you can. You can buy a share of the farm and eat some real good grub. Or you can buy horse burgers from Burger King. ;)

A very small percentage of family run small farming is still out there and even then their products go to mega-food corp as well.

But you are right, the ad would have made more sense if it had a "bring back the small farms or support your local farms" tagline in the ad. With a country that has an obesity epidemic, I am surprised there isn't more emphasis on supporting local farms that grow fresh produce etc.

mkporter
02-05-2013, 03:18 PM
Agree 100%. Guessing only people getting that govt cheese would think different.

I really liked the farmer ad, and my family has some pretty deep farming roots, but you do realize that farmers on the whole get a ton of that "cheese," right?

Chris
02-05-2013, 03:42 PM
It's about product awareness and branding, too. You may not think it, but what you buy says a little bit about who you are. Cool people buy cool products... practical people buy practical products.

It's called branding.

I used to buy a lot of my clothes at Macy's or Neiman Marcus, for example, and avoided places like Sears precisely because of branding.... but I honestly went to Sears and bought a pair of Levi's after I saw this commercial, which I thought was incredibly well-done:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/FdW1CjbCNxw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I honestly bought a pair of Levi's because of this commercial. One of my marketing profs at DU played this commercial in class to explain the idea of how branding can effect consumers... he basically said this was one of the best commercials he'd ever seen, and I agree with him.

I hate ads but love that campaign. Kerry ***unaga did it (Tisch grad who did the Jane Eyre flick).

I was actually in on a focus group one day last summer for one of the products that showed up at the SB (don't think I can say which) so it was neat to see the product we picked get used.

RaiderH8r
02-05-2013, 05:10 PM
Loved the Dodge commercial. Sadly we are breading a society of ex-farmers and people who think steak comes from a plastic package from Safeway. Work? Isn't that taking a welfare check to the local mini mart for cigarettes and hot dogs?

Farmers are the biggest welfare recipients of all. Price supports, crop subsidies, CRP program, cut rate loans. Christ. If God made a farmer on the eighth day then by the ninth the farmer was digging through the mail for his subsidy check and God help you if it is late because a farmer also whines worse than a runt puppy off the tit.

24champ
02-05-2013, 05:20 PM
I hate ads but love that campaign. Kerry ***unaga did it (Tisch grad who did the Jane Eyre flick).

I was actually in on a focus group one day last summer for one of the products that showed up at the SB (don't think I can say which) so it was neat to see the product we picked get used.

You picked the Calvin Klein ad?

wandlc
02-05-2013, 05:56 PM
Actually, it happens because US companies are hiring them when they know they shouldn't but do so anyway because they'll make a bigger profit.

Spoken as only a city kid would. The reason that migrant workers can find farm jobs is because of the advent of welfare in this country. I grew up on a farm during the change over from the seasonal workers coming from the local town to green card workers to illegal workers. Once the seasonal workers from the local town could get almost as much from welfare they no longer wanted to work for farmers. I started working at 13 on a neighbors farm for $3/hr during the summer 8 hrs in 90 - 105 degree heat. And I had to milk before school and after school/sports for the family farm. It is too bad we don't have the family farms as much anymore.

wandlc
02-05-2013, 06:00 PM
Farmers are the biggest welfare recipients of all. Price supports, crop subsidies, CRP program, cut rate loans. Christ. If God made a farmer on the eighth day then by the ninth the farmer was digging through the mail for his subsidy check and God help you if it is late because a farmer also whines worse than a runt puppy off the tit.

If you believe that, go become a farmer. Those programs really only benefit the big corporate farms, because they are vertically integrated and don't lose out to the brokers. My father lost his farms because of the set aside requirements and being told how much of what he could grow.

RaiderH8r
02-05-2013, 06:14 PM
If you believe that, go become a farmer. Those programs really only benefit the big corporate farms, because they are vertically integrated and don't lose out to the brokers. My father lost his farms because of the set aside requirements and being told how much of what he could grow.

I would except I work for a living.

Smilin Assassin
02-05-2013, 07:27 PM
4 pages of debating, when the answer is simply Dikembe.

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24champ
02-05-2013, 07:31 PM
4 pages of debating, when the answer is simply Dikembe.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/C_0fyUYB3cA?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Looks like a rip off version of the Terry Tate commercial in 2003.

Meck77
02-06-2013, 06:45 AM
Farmers are the biggest welfare recipients of all. Price supports, crop subsidies, CRP program, cut rate loans. Christ. If God made a farmer on the eighth day then by the ninth the farmer was digging through the mail for his subsidy check and God help you if it is late because a farmer also whines worse than a runt puppy off the tit.

H8r I usually appreciate your "shoot from the hip" style of posting but you are off base on this one. Let's get the facts straight for the record.

MOST farmers do not receive subsidies. Take California for just one example. Only 9% receive them. Texas. Less than 20% and so on.


http://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=06000


Also, TOTAL farm subsidies from 1995-2011 was 277 Billion. TOTAL!

http://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=00000

Welfare in 2013 alone is $674 BILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_welfare_spending_40.html

v2micca
02-06-2013, 07:00 AM
It's about product awareness and branding, too. You may not think it, but what you buy says a little bit about who you are. Cool people buy cool products... practical people buy practical products.

It's called branding.

I used to buy a lot of my clothes at Macy's or Neiman Marcus, for example, and avoided places like Sears precisely because of branding.... but I honestly went to Sears and bought a pair of Levi's after I saw this commercial, which I thought was incredibly well-done:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/FdW1CjbCNxw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I honestly bought a pair of Levi's because of this commercial. One of my marketing profs at DU played this commercial in class to explain the idea of how branding can effect consumers... he basically said this was one of the best commercials he'd ever seen, and I agree with him.


Seriously? I absolutely loathed this commercial. Its a pretentious pile of crap that is farther up it own @$$ than a maxim model's thong. They seem to forget that they are selling jeans, not the ******* soul and plight of a generation, just jeans, cheap slabs of denim sewn together in sweatshops by people making less than minimum wage. This is the kind of commercial that future generations will dig up and say, damn, these corporations had a disproportionately inflated sense of their own importance to society. Of course a marketing professor would love this crap. Its pseudo-intellectual porn.

More on topic, this actually the reason I wasn't a huge fan of the Dodge Ram commercial using Paul Harvey's stirring tribute from the Future Farmers of America convention in 1978. Hey, what where you doing back then. Oh, that's right, you were busing lobbying congress to eventually get the Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act of 1979 passed. Yeah, seems to be a reoccurring theme with you now. Seriously, Chrysler, you sell trucks, gas guzzling trucks. but, I guess Sam Elliot was getting tired of whoring himself out as your corporate spokesman so you needed another way to reach the grizzled white-dude demographic.

Mogulseeker
02-06-2013, 06:04 PM
Seriously? I absolutely loathed this commercial. Its a pretentious pile of crap that is farther up it own @$$ than a maxim model's thong. They seem to forget that they are selling jeans, not the ******* soul and plight of a generation, just jeans, cheap slabs of denim sewn together in sweatshops by people making less than minimum wage. This is the kind of commercial that future generations will dig up and say, damn, these corporations had a disproportionately inflated sense of their own importance to society. Of course a marketing professor would love this crap. Its pseudo-intellectual porn.

More on topic, this actually the reason I wasn't a huge fan of the Dodge Ram commercial using Paul Harvey's stirring tribute from the Future Farmers of America convention in 1978. Hey, what where you doing back then. Oh, that's right, you were busing lobbying congress to eventually get the Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act of 1979 passed. Yeah, seems to be a reoccurring theme with you now. Seriously, Chrysler, you sell trucks, gas guzzling trucks. but, I guess Sam Elliot was getting tired of whoring himself out as your corporate spokesman so you needed another way to reach the grizzled white-dude demographic.

We're talking about it. Therefore it was a good commercial. I don't know what you find "pseudo-intellectual" about it, but the market research suggested that it quantitatively increased brand awareness and sales. That's not "pseudo-intellectualism" ... it's science. And the commercial went above and beyond it's intended use. Therefore it was a good commercial.

While we're talking about my marketing prof. - this is the same guy who hated "Where's the Beef" because it had nothing to do with brand awareness and other burger joints like McDonalds benefited as much from it as Wendy's.

Also... you're obviously unfamiliar with Economic Equilibration Theory. I don't care if my Levi's were made in Mexico for less than minimum wage. People wouldn't take those jobs unless there were no better options. Capital creates wealth, and wealth demands a higher quality of life... eventually prices equilibrate and jobs balance out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_equilibrium_theory

wandlc
02-06-2013, 06:09 PM
I would except I work for a living.

If you think farming isn't work I doubt you would survive on a farm. And I doubt what you do for a living is really "work".

RaiderH8r
02-06-2013, 06:19 PM
If you think farming isn't work I doubt you would survive on a farm. And I doubt what you do for a living is really "work".

Cashing a subsidy check at 11 and hitting the bar by 2 is one helluva burden for a man to bear.

In no other sector of the American economy is the playing field so universally tilted to ensure success and mitigate failure than for the American farmer yet they are all to eager to whinny and whine over their lot in life.

I grew up in Montana so I am beyond the romanticized notions of the American farmer or rancher.

lonestar
02-06-2013, 07:56 PM
Dodge’s Paul Harvey Super Bowl Commercial: “God Made A Farmer”
Posted on February 5, 2013 by Cowboy Byte



Dodge commercial features Paul Harvey’s commentary:

And on the eighth day, God looked down on his planned paradise and said, “I need a caretaker.”

So God made a farmer.

God said, “I need somebody willing to get up before dawn, milk cows, work all day in the field, milk cows again, eat supper, then go to town and stay past midnight at a meeting of the school board.”

So God made a farmer.

God said, “I need somebody willing to sit up all night with a newborn colt and watch it die, then dry his eyes and say,’Maybe next year,’

I need somebody who can shape an ax handle from an ash tree, shoe a horse with hunk of car tire, who can make a harness out hay wire, feed sacks and shoe scraps.

Who, during planting time and harvest season will finish his 40-hour week by Tuesday noon and then, paining from tractor back, put in another 72 hours.”

So God made the farmer.

God said, “I need somebody strong enough to clear trees and heave bales, yet gentle enough to wean lambs and wean pigs and tend the pink-comb pullets, who will stop his mower for an hour to splint the leg of a meadowlark.”

It had to be somebody who’d plow deep and straight and not cut corners. Somebody to seed, weed, feed, breed, and brake, and disk, and plow, and plant, and tie the fleece and strain the milk.

Somebody who’d bale a family together with the soft, strong bonds of sharing, who would laugh, and then sigh and then reply with smiling eyes when his son says that he wants to spend his life doing what Dad does.

“So God made a farmer.”



Read more: http://cowboybyte.com/18550/dodges-paul-harvey-super-bowl-commercial-god-made-a-farmer/#ixzz2KBKGNdX0

SeedReaver
02-06-2013, 09:35 PM
Dodge’s Paul Harvey Super Bowl Commercial: “God Made A Farmer”
Posted on February 5, 2013 by Cowboy Byte



Dodge commercial features Paul Harvey’s commentary:

And on the eighth day, God looked down on his planned paradise and said, “I need a caretaker.”

So God made a farmer.

God said, “I need somebody willing to get up before dawn, milk cows, work all day in the field, milk cows again, eat supper, then go to town and stay past midnight at a meeting of the school board.”

So God made a farmer.

God said, “I need somebody willing to sit up all night with a newborn colt and watch it die, then dry his eyes and say,’Maybe next year,’

I need somebody who can shape an ax handle from an ash tree, shoe a horse with hunk of car tire, who can make a harness out hay wire, feed sacks and shoe scraps.

Who, during planting time and harvest season will finish his 40-hour week by Tuesday noon and then, paining from tractor back, put in another 72 hours.”

So God made the farmer.

God said, “I need somebody strong enough to clear trees and heave bales, yet gentle enough to wean lambs and wean pigs and tend the pink-comb pullets, who will stop his mower for an hour to splint the leg of a meadowlark.”

It had to be somebody who’d plow deep and straight and not cut corners. Somebody to seed, weed, feed, breed, and brake, and disk, and plow, and plant, and tie the fleece and strain the milk.

Somebody who’d bale a family together with the soft, strong bonds of sharing, who would laugh, and then sigh and then reply with smiling eyes when his son says that he wants to spend his life doing what Dad does.

“So God made a farmer.”



Read more: http://cowboybyte.com/18550/dodges-paul-harvey-super-bowl-commercial-god-made-a-farmer/#ixzz2KBKGNdX0
The only thing better than the use of comic sans font is the claim that farmers are caretakers of the planet. Agriculture has ruined earth more than anything else combined.

Archer81
02-06-2013, 09:38 PM
The only thing better than the use of comic sans font is the claim that farmers are caretakers of the planet. Agriculture has ruined earth more than anything else combined.


Define "ruined".

Im fairly sure planet wide ice ages and mass extinctions from asteroid strikes might beat out agriculture as a primary means of changing biodiversity.

:Broncos:

Archer81
02-06-2013, 09:41 PM
Dodge’s Paul Harvey Super Bowl Commercial: “God Made A Farmer”


Luckily no one else mentioned this commercial.


:Broncos:

maher_tyler
02-06-2013, 10:06 PM
Cashing a subsidy check at 11 and hitting the bar by 2 is one helluva burden for a man to bear.

In no other sector of the American economy is the playing field so universally tilted to ensure success and mitigate failure than for the American farmer yet they are all to eager to whinny and whine over their lot in life.

I grew up in Montana so I am beyond the romanticized notions of the American farmer or rancher.

I bet whoever this guy is no longer has or works on a farm based on his work hours! This describes ZERO farmers I know. I don't think you know the extent of how demanding farming really is. The cattle, sheep or any other livestock you may have to keep an eye on year round. In North Dakota the summers can get into the 100's but generally in the mid 80's. While the winter can be very brutal with temps below 0 and ever colder with the wind. You almost gotta take care of these animals like their your kids. Every summer planting crops, cutting hay etc for said livestock. God for bid its a dry summer and don't get enough hay to last the winter. Or none of your crops turn out due to lack of rain or because a hail storm came through and wiped it all out. All that would be profit down the drain. Now that farmer needs to buy extra hay from an outside source etc. If you hear a farmer complaining its probably because his machinery is broke, coyotes or mountain lions got to his livestock, no rain, hail storm came through. It'd be kinda like someone stealing from you. Sorry but you're assessment of a REAL farmer is way off.

lonestar
02-06-2013, 11:47 PM
I bet whoever this guy is no longer has or works on a farm based on his work hours! This describes ZERO farmers I know. I don't think you know the extent of how demanding farming really is. The cattle, sheep or any other livestock you may have to keep an eye on year round. In North Dakota the summers can get into the 100's but generally in the mid 80's. While the winter can be very brutal with temps below 0 and ever colder with the wind. You almost gotta take care of these animals like their your kids. Every summer planting crops, cutting hay etc for said livestock. God for bid its a dry summer and don't get enough hay to last the winter. Or none of your crops turn out due to lack of rain or because a hail storm came through and wiped it all out. All that would be profit down the drain. Now that farmer needs to buy extra hay from an outside source etc. If you hear a farmer complaining its probably because his machinery is broke, coyotes or mountain lions got to his livestock, no rain, hail storm came through. It'd be kinda like someone stealing from you. Sorry but you're assessment of a REAL farmer is way off.


:thumbs:

I've spent a lot of time in small farming communities the past several years attending my daughters VB games.. and in everyone of them in most cases about the only entertainment they have are the Friday night lights football in the local schools or the sports of BB and VB..

these are some hardy folks and it shows on their faces..

FWIW my brothers hay crops were non existent last year because it failed to rain.. and although the previous years crops were really good it takes a lot of hay to feed the livestock and he was forced to buy it at premium prices..

Anyone claiming that farmers are subsidized and waste in in the beer hall I suspect is full of Male Bovine Excrement..

lonestar
02-07-2013, 12:41 AM
Luckily no one else mentioned this commercial.


:Broncos:

Pretty sure I did one page one infact probably the first positive mention of it.

Like post !#2.

I saw that rendition in print instead of it being verbal and really thought some of the knuckleheads ranting about it might take a few seconds to read it and just maybe grow a brain.

SeedReaver
02-07-2013, 01:03 PM
RaiderH8R does have some valid points, but his stereotype isn't justified.

My Uncle is a farmer in eastern Colorado. Very hard worker. Loves to farm. But, he never produces! His crops die every single year, and he alone makes four times what my family makes in subsidy checks alone. He's not a bad guy, and he's still a hard worker, but in reality farming is a no-risk business nowadays that pays WAY more than 95% of the jobs out there.

Requiem
02-07-2013, 01:21 PM
I bet whoever this guy is no longer has or works on a farm based on his work hours! This describes ZERO farmers I know. I don't think you know the extent of how demanding farming really is. The cattle, sheep or any other livestock you may have to keep an eye on year round. In North Dakota the summers can get into the 100's but generally in the mid 80's. While the winter can be very brutal with temps below 0 and ever colder with the wind. You almost gotta take care of these animals like their your kids. Every summer planting crops, cutting hay etc for said livestock. God for bid its a dry summer and don't get enough hay to last the winter. Or none of your crops turn out due to lack of rain or because a hail storm came through and wiped it all out. All that would be profit down the drain. Now that farmer needs to buy extra hay from an outside source etc. If you hear a farmer complaining its probably because his machinery is broke, coyotes or mountain lions got to his livestock, no rain, hail storm came through. It'd be kinda like someone stealing from you. Sorry but you're assessment of a REAL farmer is way off.


His assessment might be a little harsh (and could be offensive, but I wasn't offended and my ancestors have been farmers since Christ had a crew-cut, my parents were the first generation of anyone in my lineage to not be on a farm), but it isn't completely off.

In the scenarios you outlined, if things didn't produce and the crops didn't grow -- they would get compensated for that if they have insurance. That is why there is the FCIA and RMA. It is accessible to almost everyone at no cost as long as they are growing an insurable crop or have the qualifying livestock, it's part of the USDA.

The numbers Meck gave are just a hairline of the actual costs of subsidization that goes towards the farming community. I deal with this sort of thing every day and there is debate about it weekly in the Department of Agriculture and within its associated programs and services.

Requiem
02-07-2013, 01:23 PM
RaiderH8R does have some valid points, but his stereotype isn't justified.

My Uncle is a farmer in eastern Colorado. Very hard worker. Loves to farm. But, he never produces! His crops die every single year, and he alone makes four times what my family makes in subsidy checks alone. He's not a bad guy, and he's still a hard worker, but in reality farming is a no-risk business nowadays that pays WAY more than 95% of the jobs out there.

But does he have a Dodge or Ford truck? :wiggle:

Beantown Bronco
02-08-2013, 05:32 AM
in reality farming is a no-risk business nowadays that pays WAY more than 95% of the jobs out there.

If that were true, everyone would do it.

Meck77
02-08-2013, 08:02 AM
His assessment might be a little harsh (and could be offensive, but I wasn't offended and my ancestors have been farmers since Christ had a crew-cut, my parents were the first generation of anyone in my lineage to not be on a farm), but it isn't completely off.

In the scenarios you outlined, if things didn't produce and the crops didn't grow -- they would get compensated for that if they have insurance. That is why there is the FCIA and RMA. It is accessible to almost everyone at no cost as long as they are growing an insurable crop or have the qualifying livestock, it's part of the USDA.

The numbers Meck gave are just a hairline of the actual costs of subsidization that goes towards the farming community. I deal with this sort of thing every day and there is debate about it weekly in the Department of Agriculture and within its associated programs and services.

Ok Req if you have the numbers then let's see them. Everything I'm seeing shows that most farms are not subsidized so this idea that farming is without risk is complete HORSE SHIAT!

Another link with the facts. This time it's a visual. H8r?

http://www.economist.com/node/21563323

v2micca
02-08-2013, 08:17 AM
Well, depending on how the Supreme Court shakes out on this one, things could either get significantly better or marginally worse for farmers.

http://rt.com/usa/news/monsanto-supreme-court-bowman-775/

By the way, Mosanto is the devil.

NickStixx
02-08-2013, 08:30 AM
Has anyone mentioned the Samsung commercial with Paul Rudd, Seth Rogen, and Lebron James? I thought that was a pretty funny one too.

Requiem
02-08-2013, 09:11 AM
Ok Req if you have the numbers then let's see them. Everything I'm seeing shows that most farms are not subsidized so this idea that farming is without risk is complete HORSE SHIAT!

Another link with the facts. This time it's a visual. H8r?

http://www.economist.com/node/21563323

A lot of the numbers I personally see deal with compliance and they are not for me to be sharing with John Q. Public because they involve legal matters and battles which I cannot discuss on this open forum. Your links to EWG are an absolutely great resource for what goes on with commodities, crop insurance, disaster relief and conservation subsidies. These are only a portion of payments with an associate cost that is calculated. There is behind the scenes action with everything, which is partly what I'm getting at.

Whoever said there isn't a risk is FOS. There is ALWAYS a risk and due to that risk because of a lengthy amount of variables. That is why there are programs and such set up in case that happens, whether it is disaster relief or insuring a bottom line dollar for crops in a year where production might be down due to ecological factors.

~ 40% (as you said, not a majority) of American farmers receive federal subsidies -- 60% do not. The ones that don't aren't producing crops or dealing with livestock that fall under those parameters, or are likely on extraordinarily small farmsteads that do not put out much of a product. They aren't producing for the masses. Small farmsteads (~ 600,000 ) make up ~ 30% of operations in America.

Commercial farming receives most of the kickbacks, but that is also because they are producing way more than the average, regular Joe farmer and are likely dealing with crops that have a savvy bottom dollar attached to them. A majority of them are Upper Great Plains because they are the soybean, corn, wheat, etc. producers that receive a lot of government funds. Corn subsidies are through the roof after our love for ethanol came to fruition (absolutely losing battle and not even close to cost effective) and absolutely need to be expired. (I think some things did at the tail of 2011, but I wasn't here when that was going on.) SD, ND, IA, NE -- etc. -- ~70% + of them are getting some sort of subsidy and the premier reason why is the sort of business they deal in.

Agriculture has changed a lot. The Secretary of Agriculture has even agreed to the point where some of these subsidies are getting out of hand, but maintains that we have a "value system" to re-inforce, so for the time being it's quite OK. These people don't have it easy and they work their asses off. Most I come into contact with actually feel bad when they can't produce and get a relief check because they take damn good pride in their work and know that when they hurt -- the rest of us hurt too because they are producers.

I think a lot of people like H8R and a few others are jaded because of personal experiences and what they have seen. Everyone basis decisions of personal experience. If a guy like H8R goes out and spends $30,000 of his hard earned money on a new vehicle, I'm sure he'd get pretty pissed when he sees someone spending that much on a truck for a farm -- and subsequently getting it free of charge after it is written off as an itemized expenditure related to business operations when tax season rolls around when he isn't afforded that same benefit.

I will shoot you off some more stuff in private when I can. I have to go out and get some field stuff done in a different county before the blizzard hits. Adios.

Tombstone RJ
02-08-2013, 08:40 PM
one word: hemp