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OBF1
02-02-2013, 06:21 PM
Watt for defense and Peterson for offense POY

Watt over Miller, Not too much of a surprise in my opinion.

Manning gets Come back player of the year, which is no surprise at all.

edit: fixed the thread title

OBF1
02-02-2013, 06:23 PM
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RGIII over Luck and Wilson for offensive ROY

SonOfLe-loLang
02-02-2013, 06:30 PM
They vote on this right after the last game of the year right? That's probably why AD won

MagicHef
02-02-2013, 06:35 PM
Watt and Peterson win MVP's

Watt over Miller, Not too much of a surprise in my opinion.

Manning gets Come back player of the year.

Watt and Peterson won DPOY and OPOY. They haven't awarded MVP yet, as far as I know.

Bmore Manning
02-02-2013, 06:39 PM
Watt and Peterson won DPOY and OPOY. They haven't awarded MVP yet, as far as I know.

That's what I thought too..

Bacchus
02-02-2013, 06:44 PM
At this point who cares? I'm sure Manning doesn't. He has 4 already why should get 5 MVPs and only one SB ring?

errand
02-02-2013, 06:48 PM
At this point who cares? I'm sure Manning doesn't. He has 4 already why should get 5 MVPs and only one SB ring?

Hillary approves -

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Elway 4 Life
02-02-2013, 07:05 PM
Peterson edges Manning for MVP. Just saw it on SC.

TonyR
02-02-2013, 07:20 PM
Watt beat Miller 49-1 in the voting.

boltaneer
02-02-2013, 07:42 PM
I called it a while back. :) AP had an unbelievable year.

spdirty
02-02-2013, 08:16 PM
The true MVP this year was Rahim Moore for the Ravens. Yeah, I'm still not over it, at least not till training camp next year.

broncosteven
02-02-2013, 08:19 PM
Watt beat Miller 49-1 in the voting.

Smith got no votes? I figured he would get a couple if not split the ballot.

If this is true this actually makes me feel better that at least one guy saw Miller play.

bronco militia
02-02-2013, 08:30 PM
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lonestar
02-02-2013, 08:34 PM
If it is by the same voters as the HOF. Or even if it is not. It takes An act of congress to anyone to recognize someone that is not a state removed from the mississippi.

Just where the vast majority of the writers are for that matter where the teams are.

As for Denver who represents them in any voting?

Might be the reason we get very little love.

Yes manning got a prize but had ap been in Denver and manning been in any city the likelyhood of AP getting any honors would be slim to none.

broncosteven
02-02-2013, 08:48 PM
If it is by the same voters as the HOF. Or even if it is not. It takes An act of congress to anyone to recognize someone that is not a state removed from the mississippi.

Just where the vast majority of the writers are for that matter where the teams are.

As for Denver who represents them in any voting?

Might be the reason we get very little love.

Yes manning got a prize but had ap been in Denver and manning been in any city the likelyhood of AP getting any honors would be slim to none.

The reason we don't get any love from the HOF is because Bronco fans don't care about anyone pre 1996. It took a Monumental effort by Tom Mackie to get Floyd in, he gets him in and Bronco fans weren't even excited. I made the trek, those of us who went were dedicated Floyd fans who had great memories of him. The "kiddies" here didn't care because they didn't watch him play. He was a Bronco for ****s sake! I have researched guys before my time pre-1973ish. Guys like Rich "Tombstone" Jackson who deserve to be in the HOF.

BTW Jeff Legwold is the Denver reporter who did Floyd's presentation to the HOF. I can't remember if he is the only Denver reporter with a vote or if Woody has one also.

Dr. Broncenstein
02-02-2013, 08:54 PM
I heard Peterson won an Orange Peanut.

SoCalBronco
02-02-2013, 08:56 PM
Don't care. I get these are regular season awards but don't step on your dick with the top seed and complain about any issue. There should be no complaining from anyone at the Valley. You ****ed up so forget it...I don't want to hear it. No one is entitled to any award for anything. Get back to work in the facility and zip it....have some shame.

TheReverend
02-02-2013, 09:28 PM
Watt beat Miller 49-1 in the voting.

.... Miller got a vote? Was it Woody or something?

El Guapo
02-02-2013, 10:12 PM
Watt beat Miller 49-1 in the voting.

Just read this myself, wtf?

R-Mac
02-02-2013, 10:29 PM
Watt should have been unanimous DPOY, someone robbed him. This was the easier choice among the NFL Honors.

Miller is great, but I've never seen a defensive lineman play like Watt.

lonestar
02-02-2013, 10:39 PM
The reason we don't get any love from the HOF is because Bronco fans don't care about anyone pre 1996. It took a Monumental effort by Tom Mackie to get Floyd in, he gets him in and Bronco fans weren't even excited. I made the trek, those of us who went were dedicated Floyd fans who had great memories of him. The "kiddies" here didn't care because they didn't watch him play. He was a Bronco for ****s sake! I have researched guys before my time pre-1973ish. Guys like Rich "Tombstone" Jackson who deserve to be in the HOF.

BTW Jeff Legwold is the Denver reporter who did Floyd's presentation to the HOF. I can't remember if he is the only Denver reporter with a vote or if Woody has one also.

I can dig that but it is not a fan vote. It is all sports writers and since 70% or so are from east of the mississippi, we play late games at least half of our schedule and we play in the AFCW against usually poor teams. There is little if NO interest in watching our games READ players.

Unless we happen to play the sports writers team or it's inter divisional teams it is likely that they will see more than 3 of our games a year if they see any of them at all.

Sports writers as we all know are lazy hacks and loads of them are drunk on their ass by the time we play n the late game.

Unless they have to report on who we are playing they are going home to either the BAR or wife and kiddies.

Plus if one of thos guys that played against their home team gets in it adds to the odds of their players getting votes.

Does anyone really think that if John had not won a Lombardi that he would have been a first ballot guy? For that matter had Zimmerman not played for the Vikings for most of his career he would have been voted if he would have just played in DEN.

Face it folks DEN is to most folks in the US a backwater hick town next to a ski slope.

I have lived on the east coast, STL, CHI(breifly) and the west coast and the broncos are not mentioned in the sports pages other than the box score. While you all may not believe me , if you travel or if anyone from out of town will do so search the sports pages for bronco information.

Report back what you see. It will shock most of you about how irrelevant they are.

Had it not been for Manning signing with us just how many games would we have gotten the "A TEAM" announcers this past year.

Unless we play a biggie team from the EAST coast or a division leader we suck hind teat for exposure.

BTW you are correct way to many kiddies that do not have a clue about before TD.

RhymesayersDU
02-02-2013, 10:47 PM
Sports writers as we all know are lazy hacks and loads of them are drunk on their ass by the time we play n the late game.

Didn't know that "sports writers" was another word for "people who post on the Orange Mane."

lonestar
02-02-2013, 10:49 PM
.... Miller got a vote? Was it Woody or something?

Not sure who the HOF voters are from DEN are. Since there are 32 teams I'd guess of the 50 voters that would mean 18 at large voters most of which would probably not know how to pick Colorado off the map let alone Denver.

I used to work at DEN apo the old Stapleton. During ski season most of the skiers would have their ski outfits on when they got off the plane. Most did not realize they had to drive atleast 2 hours to the nearest ski area some even asked where the ski lifts were.

Most folks from NYC do not have a clue.

Hamrob
02-02-2013, 10:56 PM
If I had a team...and they gave me the choice:

You can have one of the following two players:

1. AP
2. PM

I'd take Manning everyday anyday....all-day!

I'm not taking anything away from Peterson's year. He had a phenominal year. But, he's not the "MOST" valuable. Sorry.

Tombstone RJ
02-02-2013, 10:58 PM
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love this j. cutty giff!

I'd think Miller would get more than 1 vote but oh well. I'm happy for Peterson, he's a classy guy and works very hard to be the best. He wasn't on a great team either, much deserved IMHO.

UberBroncoMan
02-03-2013, 12:44 AM
I think Peterson got it over Manning because of Manning's 4 prior MVP awards. That simple really. Manning had his 2nd best statistical season of his career and lead a new team to the #1 seed.

lonestar
02-03-2013, 02:11 AM
If I had a team...and they gave me the choice:

You can have one of the following two players:

1. AP
2. PM

I'd take Manning everyday anyday....all-day!

I'm not taking anything away from Peterson's year. He had a phenominal year. But, he's not the "MOST" valuable. Sorry.

PM has played at the same level for going on 15 years. The average life span of a RB is 4 years.

That is called a no brainer.

TomServo
02-03-2013, 02:55 AM
we got knocked out in our first play off game. who gives a rats a ss about the post season awards? first round bye? champ gets burned Twice? we get embarrassed by a 70 yard bomb in the last min? F the awards. we have ball in OT driving and... someone throws a pick? Who? the Worst clutch QB's in nfl history

rmsanger
02-03-2013, 06:41 AM
Von and Doom faded like a haircut... Their PB caliber but neither are tops at their position.

HorseHead
02-03-2013, 07:08 AM
talk about some grumpy munchkins...

though I do agree about some guys not showing up a couple of weeks ago..

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 07:16 AM
Von and Doom faded like a haircut... Their PB caliber but neither are tops at their position.

This is also why Smith didn't get any votes, I suspect. He had the record in his grasps then laid down and cried about double teams for 3 games.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 07:33 AM
So for those whining about Manning being robbed or it being ignorance of Denver, explain the major difference why Manning deserved it over Peterson when Davis got it over Cunningham in '98.

Cunningham came in for his first year starting (he had been riding the bench the previous year rather than injured), took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year, and led his team to a 15-1 record while maintaining a 106 passer rating. Manning, meanwhile, took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year and led his team to a 13-3 record while maintaining a 105.8 passer rating.

On the other side, Davis carried the ball 392 times at 5.1 YPC for a total of 2008 yards. Peterson, meanwhile, carries it only 348 times (44 times less) for a whopping 6 yards per carry for a total of 2097 yards and he's not playing behind anyone comparable to John Elway.

Now, if Peterson doesn't deserve his, how the F did TD deserve his? Would you give back TD's to get Peyton one?

MagicHef
02-03-2013, 07:42 AM
Von and Doom faded like a haircut... Their PB caliber but neither are tops at their position.

Which OLB is better than Von?

winstoncup bronco
02-03-2013, 07:46 AM
Watt beat Miller 49-1 in the voting.

I normally don't care about these awards anymore, but 49-1? Really?

Watt got all the pub in the first half, and he did fade somewhat down the stretch. And where was he in that New England game anyway?

I'm not going to whine about Von not winning, but c'mon, Watt wasn't 49-1 better.

FlaBroncosFan
02-03-2013, 08:26 AM
So for those whining about Manning being robbed or it being ignorance of Denver, explain the major difference why Manning deserved it over Peterson when Davis got it over Cunningham in '98.

Cunningham came in for his first year starting (he had been riding the bench the previous year rather than injured), took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year, and led his team to a 15-1 record while maintaining a 106 passer rating. Manning, meanwhile, took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year and led his team to a 13-3 record while maintaining a 105.8 passer rating.

On the other side, Davis carried the ball 392 times at 5.1 YPC for a total of 2008 yards. Peterson, meanwhile, carries it only 348 times (44 times less) for a whopping 6 yards per carry for a total of 2097 yards and he's not playing behind anyone comparable to John Elway.

Now, if Peterson doesn't deserve his, how the F did TD deserve his? Would you give back TD's to get Peyton one?

TD also had 21 rushing TDs.

NFLBRONCO
02-03-2013, 09:25 AM
[QUOTE=winstoncup bronco;379211

I'm not going to whine about Von not winning, but c'mon, Watt wasn't 49-1 better.[/QUOTE]

Agree 49-1 part but, the Watt hype machine was strong throughout so no wonder it turned out that way.

R-Mac
02-03-2013, 09:48 AM
I'm not going to whine about Von not winning, but c'mon, Watt wasn't 49-1 better.

Watt was 50-0 better, but apparently there was an orange and blue vote.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6469/jj-watt

J.J. Watt has been named the Associated Press' 2012 NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

Watt was a near unanimous selection with 49 of a possible 50 votes. He finished first in the NFL with 20.5 sacks and 22 tackles for loss, and obliterated the unofficial records for batted passes (16) and defeats (56). He also led the league in tackles for loss (22), had 76 QB disruptions, and posted a defensive stop on 17.2 percent of his snaps. Texans DC Wade Phillips insists Watt's 2012 season was the "absolute best" of any defensive lineman in NFL history. Broncos linebacker Von Miller is the only other player to receive a vote for the award.

2KBack
02-03-2013, 09:52 AM
So for those whining about Manning being robbed or it being ignorance of Denver, explain the major difference why Manning deserved it over Peterson when Davis got it over Cunningham in '98.

Cunningham came in for his first year starting (he had been riding the bench the previous year rather than injured), took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year, and led his team to a 15-1 record while maintaining a 106 passer rating. Manning, meanwhile, took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year and led his team to a 13-3 record while maintaining a 105.8 passer rating.

On the other side, Davis carried the ball 392 times at 5.1 YPC for a total of 2008 yards. Peterson, meanwhile, carries it only 348 times (44 times less) for a whopping 6 yards per carry for a total of 2097 yards and he's not playing behind anyone comparable to John Elway.

Now, if Peterson doesn't deserve his, how the F did TD deserve his? Would you give back TD's to get Peyton one?

TD's MVP was partially due to the continuation from the year before. He came in second to Barry Sanders for the rushing crown, then turned in a sick Superbowl run. We were defending champions, and he was the defending Superbowl MVP, and Denver rode his back to surpass the already lofty expectations. If TD simply had that year in an otherwise unspectacular era in Denver's history, no way he walks away with the MVP.

TheReverend
02-03-2013, 09:58 AM
If I had a team...and they gave me the choice:

You can have one of the following two players:

1. AP
2. PM

I'd take Manning everyday anyday....all-day!

I'm not taking anything away from Peterson's year. He had a phenominal year. But, he's not the "MOST" valuable. Sorry.

Fyi, it's a single season award, not a career one

TheReverend
02-03-2013, 10:00 AM
This is also why Smith didn't get any votes, I suspect. He had the record in his grasps then laid down and cried about double teams for 3 games.

Actually he's been pretty hurt

errand
02-03-2013, 10:05 AM
So for those whining about Manning being robbed or it being ignorance of Denver, explain the major difference why Manning deserved it over Peterson when Davis got it over Cunningham in '98.

Cunningham came in for his first year starting (he had been riding the bench the previous year rather than injured), took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year, and led his team to a 15-1 record while maintaining a 106 passer rating. Manning, meanwhile, took over for a team that had won a wildcard game the previous year and led his team to a 13-3 record while maintaining a 105.8 passer rating.

On the other side, Davis carried the ball 392 times at 5.1 YPC for a total of 2008 yards. Peterson, meanwhile, carries it only 348 times (44 times less) for a whopping 6 yards per carry for a total of 2097 yards and he's not playing behind anyone comparable to John Elway.

Now, if Peterson doesn't deserve his, how the F did TD deserve his? Would you give back TD's to get Peyton one?


TD sat out after the Broncos had several of their games in hand.....so his 2,008 yards rushing would have been much more had he played the entire game instead of watching Vaughn Hebron and Derek Loville run out the clock of a typical 31-19 blowout.

Cunningham had a great year, but the problem he had was the perception that he just heaved numerous jump balls to Randy Moss who made great catches vs. Randall making great throws.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 10:17 AM
TD's MVP was partially due to the continuation from the year before. He came in second to Barry Sanders for the rushing crown, then turned in a sick Superbowl run. We were defending champions, and he was the defending Superbowl MVP, and Denver rode his back to surpass the already lofty expectations. If TD simply had that year in an otherwise unspectacular era in Denver's history, no way he walks away with the MVP.

So you're saying the people bent the rules and gave him the MVP based on two years' production? That'd violate the rules for the benefit of the Broncos. That's the kind of stuff we hear as a basis for East Coast bias.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 10:21 AM
TD also had 21 rushing TDs.

Useless stat outside FF. Definitely doesn't make up for the difference in 5 vs 6 yards per carry.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 10:23 AM
TD sat out after the Broncos had several of their games in hand.....so his 2,008 yards rushing would have been much more had he played the entire game instead of watching Vaughn Hebron and Derek Loville run out the clock of a typical 31-19 blowout.

Cunningham had a great year, but the problem he had was the perception that he just heaved numerous jump balls to Randy Moss who made great catches vs. Randall making great throws.

And Peterson would've had the all time record if he'd gotten anywhere close to TD's carries. He was like 7 yards shy with 44 carries less. TD might've sat a lot but he also had a lot of carries. As long as Peterson had less carries and more yards, the "he could've had more yards" is a useless argument completely.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 10:24 AM
Actually he's been pretty hurt

Ahh, that could be as well. I know I read about him whining because he was being doubled and tripled, as well. I don't recall if it coincided with whatshisface getting hurt or if he was whining about it beforehand.

TheReverend
02-03-2013, 10:27 AM
Ahh, that could be as well. I know I read about him whining because he was being doubled and tripled, as well. I don't recall if it coincided with whatshisface getting hurt or if he was whining about it beforehand.

Yeah Justin Smiths injury didn't help either

DBroncos4life
02-03-2013, 11:07 AM
Useless stat outside FF. Definitely doesn't make up for the difference in 5 vs 6 yards per carry.

:rofl: Scoring points is how you win ****ing REAL football games. 54 more points for your teams = more wins.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 11:11 AM
:rofl: Scoring points is how you win ****ing REAL football games. 48 more points for your teams = more wins.

The fact that TD got them rather than Elway passing for them did not lead to wins.

I recall years when Shaun Alexander and LT2 were TD machines. They were SB champions, right?

DBroncos4life
02-03-2013, 11:15 AM
The fact that TD got them rather than Elway passing for them did not lead to wins.

I recall years when Shaun Alexander and LT2 were TD machines. They were SB champions, right?

I'm sorry you think 6 extra yards per game rushing is more impressive then 54 more points. I remember TD being a TD machine and we WERE SB champions.

How about AP? Is he going to beat the Ravens today?

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 11:26 AM
I'm sorry you think 6 extra yards per game rushing is more impressive then 54 more points. I remember TD being a TD machine and we WERE SB champions.

How about AP? Is he going to beat the Ravens today?

Quick, name me the last time a TD leader (receiving or rushing) was also a SB champion. Surely they must correlate well, right?

Now go do your research. I have no idea who it is but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that TD was the last time it happened. Individual success does not necessarily equal team success.

hades
02-03-2013, 11:33 AM
I'm sorry you think 6 extra yards per game rushing is more impressive then 54 more points. I remember TD being a TD machine and we WERE SB champions.

How about AP? Is he going to beat the Ravens today?

He might, he's probably playing Madden in his living room against them.

errand
02-03-2013, 11:37 AM
And Peterson would've had the all time record if he'd gotten anywhere close to TD's carries. He was like 7 yards shy with 44 carries less. TD might've sat a lot but he also had a lot of carries. As long as Peterson had less carries and more yards, the "he could've had more yards" is a useless argument completely.

OK, then how about this...TD is the 2,000 yard rusher who led his team to a SB title....where as Peterson is the 2,000 yard rusher who led his team to a wildcard playoff loss.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 11:42 AM
OK, then how about this...TD is the 2,000 yard rusher who led his team to a SB title....where as Peterson is the 2,000 yard rusher who led his team to a wildcard playoff loss.

The fact that everyone is trying to come up with these lame ass excuses to justify it just confirms that the Mane is full of crybabies and most aren't actually interested in anything more than a tear-filled circle jerk.

The MVP is for the regular season so, again, if they give TD the benefit of that then they're giving the benefit to him that you all accuse them of NOT giving Broncos in every other instance. Oh, and we'll ignore the fact that your justification can't exist since MVP is announced before the SB...

DBroncos4life
02-03-2013, 11:45 AM
Quick, name me the last time a TD leader (receiving or rushing) was also a SB champion. Surely they must correlate well, right?

Now go do your research. I have no idea who it is but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that TD was the last time it happened. Individual success does not necessarily equal team success.

Well I can play that dumb game too.

Quick name me the last 2000 yard rusher that was the SB champion. Surely they must correlate well, right?

Now go do your research. I have no idea who it is but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that TD was the last time it happened. Individual success does not necessarily equal team success.

I can tell you that Shaun Alexander and Randy Moss both lead the NFL in scoring and made it to the SB. Have any 2000 yard rushers made it to the SB since TD?

Judging by the fact that 3 2000 yard rushers failed to make it to the SB and at least two league leaders in TDs have played in the SB I think it safe to say that scoring points for the team helps more then individual rushing yards.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 11:48 AM
Well I can play that dumb game too.

Quick name me the last 2000 yard rusher that was the SB champion. Surely they must correlate well, right?

Now go do your research. I have no idea who it is but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that TD was the last time it happened. Individual success does not necessarily equal team success.

I can tell you that Shaun Alexander and Randy Moss both lead the NFL in scoring and made it to the SB. Have any 2000 yard rushers made it to the SB since TD?

Judging by the fact that 3 2000 yard rushers failed to make it to the SB and at least two league leaders in TDs have played in the SB I think it safe to say that scoring points for the team helps more then individual rushing yards.

You can keep trying to obscure it how you want but the point exists that if Peterson isn't deserving of his, TD wasn't deserving of his.

DBroncos4life
02-03-2013, 11:56 AM
You can keep trying to obscure it how you want but the point exists that if Peterson isn't deserving of his, TD wasn't deserving of his.

I'm sure you can find a quote of mine then that says AP doesn't deserve MVP. :thumbs:

Also you are a fool to think scoring points is a individual stat. NFL football games are won and lost by scoring points. The difference in points TD scored then AP would have put the Vikings from 20th PPG to 6th. Yet you seem to think that AP's 1 yard per carry average is the more important team stat. :giggle:

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 12:08 PM
I'm sure you can find a quote of mine then that says AP doesn't deserve MVP. :thumbs:

Also you are a fool to think scoring points is a individual stat. NFL football games are won and lost by scoring points. The difference in points TD scored then AP would have put the Vikings from 20th PPG to 6th. Yet you seem to think that AP's 1 yard per carry average is the more important team stat. :giggle:

Points aren't scored (or not scored) in a vacuum. If player X doesn't score, player Y might. If player X does, player Y never gets a chance. Bettis, late in his career, was a TD machine but nobody'd consider him an MVP of any of those teams. He just took the ball at the one and punched it in. If he hadn't existed, the ball wouldn't have just been turned over or something.

In Moss' big TD year, there were often times when they'd go 3 times to him at the goal line. That doesn't mean that if he hadn't been there, the team would've just scored 120+ points less. They'd have gotten most of those points just the same.

DENVERDUI55
02-03-2013, 12:15 PM
OK, then how about this...TD is the 2,000 yard rusher who led his team to a SB title....where as Peterson is the 2,000 yard rusher who led his team to a wildcard playoff loss.

On a team that was projected for about 5 wins. Manning would of got the MVP if they didn't choke against Baltimore.

DBroncos4life
02-03-2013, 12:17 PM
Points aren't scored (or not scored) in a vacuum. If player X doesn't score, player Y might. If player X does, player Y never gets a chance. Bettis, late in his career, was a TD machine but nobody'd consider him an MVP of any of those teams. He just took the ball at the one and punched it in. If he hadn't existed, the ball wouldn't have just been turned over or something.

In Moss' big TD year, there were often times when they'd go 3 times to him at the goal line. That doesn't mean that if he hadn't been there, the team would've just scored 120+ points less. They'd have gotten most of those points just the same.

At the time TD was becoming the 4th player to rush 2000 yards he was just became 6th player in NFL history to rush for more then 20 TDS in a season. Chew on that for a bit.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 12:23 PM
At the time TD was becoming the 4th player to rush 2000 yards he was just became 6th player in NFL history to rush for more then 20 TDS in a season. Chew on that for a bit.

I'm not convincing you, you're not convincing me. Have an extra beer and I will as well.

2KBack
02-03-2013, 12:40 PM
So you're saying the people bent the rules and gave him the MVP based on two years' production? That'd violate the rules for the benefit of the Broncos. That's the kind of stuff we hear as a basis for East Coast bias.

Where on earth did you come to that conclusion? There are no rules in opinions. Context and circumstance have everything to do with determining value. MVP is far more than production based. If it were simply a game of numbers there would be no way any players outside of QB's would win it. TD won the MVP partially because of numbers, but mostly due to the circumstances of those numbers. Defending champ, SB MVP, and being the catalyst for an incredible team season (one where Elway was in and out of the line up). Again, if he had those numbers and it was the 2000 season, he wouldn't have won it. Just like when guys like Jamal Lewis and Chris Johnson didn't win MVP in their 2000 yard seasons. Yet when Barry Sanders did it, his body of work was taken into account, and he still had to share it with Brett Favre.

That One Guy
02-03-2013, 12:49 PM
Where on earth did you come to that conclusion? There are no rules in opinions. Context and circumstance have everything to do with determining value. MVP is far more than production based. If it were simply a game of numbers there would be no way any players outside of QB's would win it. TD won the MVP partially because of numbers, but mostly due to the circumstances of those numbers. Defending champ, SB MVP, and being the catalyst for an incredible team season (one where Elway was in and out of the line up). Again, if he had those numbers and it was the 2000 season, he wouldn't have won it. Just like when guys like Jamal Lewis and Chris Johnson didn't win MVP in their 2000 yard seasons. Yet when Barry Sanders did it, his body of work was taken into account, and he still had to share it with Brett Favre.

I'll take your word for it. Arguing that is just going to feel like work at the end and nothing will get accomplished.

Kaylore
02-03-2013, 12:55 PM
If anyone needs any more evidence of a bias against fly over country, this season is it. See also the 2007 MLB honors when Matt Holliday and Troy Tulowitsky got cornholled.

lonestar
02-03-2013, 01:59 PM
Btw months ago I stated in another thread that I thought JJ Watts was better than Miller and folks piled on about how wrong I was.

"He who laughs last, laughs best."


Do not get me wrong I love Miller but JJ is an animal of another kind.

Maybe John can find an almost clone of this guy in the draft and make me a happy camper.

TheReverend
02-03-2013, 02:01 PM
If anyone needs any more evidence of a bias against fly over country, this season is it. See also the 2007 MLB honors when Matt Holliday and Troy Tulowitsky got cornholled.

Yes. Clearly snubbed for the media metropolises of Minneapolis and Houston...

Bmore Manning
02-03-2013, 02:13 PM
On a team that was projected for about 5 wins. Manning would of got the MVP if they didn't choke against Baltimore.

They vote at the end of the regular season.

lonestar
02-03-2013, 05:10 PM
They vote at the end of the regular season.

But clearly all of those sports writers that have writing about manning choking in the playoffs knew what was going to happen.