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nyuk nyuk
01-31-2013, 10:23 AM
In terms of hunting calibers, which the .223 is, it's a pea shooter, most worthy of smaller game, yet the media and certain political sectors of our society would have us believe it's some massive round.

Graphic and explanatory article of hunting bullets at site link.

Hunting 101: Bullet caliber (http://www.greatnorthernoutdoors.net/bullet-caliber-101)

See graphic here. Very large size. (http://www.greatnorthernoutdoors.net/stuff/contentmgr/files/1/40c3bf215e23224eee87dae862a41538/misc/090204_101_bulletcaliber.jpg)

Requiem
01-31-2013, 10:29 AM
Dang ol' got me a few coyotes whoopin' and doopin' with dat Remington .223 man got a lot of kick and go like boom.

nyuk nyuk
01-31-2013, 10:54 AM
Dang ol' got me a few coyotes whoopin' and doopin' with dat Remington .223 man got a lot of kick and go like boom.

Have fun, just handle your gun safely.

Fedaykin
01-31-2013, 12:48 PM
Nice job completely misunderstanding the problem.

(hint: the .223 is used by the military, and it's job ain't killing dem there varmints)

Pony Boy
01-31-2013, 01:00 PM
Back in the 80's in eastern Colorado the farmers and ranchers welcomed varmint hunters to shoot prairie dog on their land. You could go out and spend the day popping prairie dogs at 200 plus yards. The caliber of choice was the 222, 22-250, 223, 218 bee, and 220 swift, all centerfire cartridges that could be reloaded on the back of the pickup bed. Guys had a blast tinkering with the bullet grain and the different DuPont powders. The scope of choice back then was a Redfield made in Denver.

None of these calibers were legal for deer or elk and certainly wouldn't be considered the choice for a assault weapon.

Requiem
01-31-2013, 01:08 PM
Have fun, just handle your gun safely.

I'm Kurt Cobain'in it baby.

Fedaykin
01-31-2013, 01:31 PM
Back in the 80's in eastern Colorado the farmers and ranchers welcomed varmint hunters to shoot prairie dog on their land. You could go out and spend the day popping prairie dogs at 200 plus yards. The caliber of choice was the 222, 22-250, 223, 218 bee, and 220 swift, all centerfire cartridges that could be reloaded on the back of the pickup bed. Guys had a blast tinkering with the bullet grain and the different DuPont powders. The scope of choice back then was a Redfield made in Denver.

None of these calibers were legal for deer or elk and certainly wouldn't be considered the choice for a assault weapon.


Uhh.. NATO 5.56 = .223 caliber.

The .223 rem cartridge is slightly different than the 5.56NATO, but the calibre is the same.

DBruleU
01-31-2013, 03:24 PM
Back in the 80's in eastern Colorado the farmers and ranchers welcomed varmint hunters to shoot prairie dog on their land. You could go out and spend the day popping prairie dogs at 200 plus yards. The caliber of choice was the 222, 22-250, 223, 218 bee, and 220 swift, all centerfire cartridges that could be reloaded on the back of the pickup bed. Guys had a blast tinkering with the bullet grain and the different DuPont powders. The scope of choice back then was a Redfield made in Denver.

None of these calibers were legal for deer or elk and certainly wouldn't be considered the choice for a assault weapon.

I just spent Christmas at my wife's grandfathers ranch on WY killing prairie dogs. Those things exploded when shot...pink mist all over the place.

elsid13
01-31-2013, 03:34 PM
Uhh.. NATO 5.56 = .223 caliber.

The .223 rem cartridge is slightly different than the 5.56NATO, but the calibre is the same.

The way a round is constructed make a major difference. Calibre is one of the factors of the round effectiveness. Remember modern military rounds are not designed to kill.

nyuk nyuk
01-31-2013, 03:47 PM
Nice job completely misunderstanding the problem.

(hint: the .223 is used by the military, and it's job ain't killing dem there varmints)

You're not all there, are you? You made claim, now state your source. Mine has already been shown. Further,

For sale in bulk to the public (http://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/223-remington-ammo)

More bulk ammo for sale to the public (http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.aspx?T=.223%20ammo)

Please don't tell me you're basing this all on scary media reports.

James Holmes bought his stuff legal and over the counter, including bulk ammo.

Fedaykin
01-31-2013, 03:54 PM
You're not all there, are you? You made claim, now state your source. Mine has already been shown. Further,

For sale in bulk to the public (http://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/223-remington-ammo)

More bulk ammo for sale to the public (http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.aspx?T=.223%20ammo)

Please don't tell me you're basing this all on scary media reports.

James Holmes bought his stuff legal and over the counter, including bulk ammo.

You're the one off your rocker. I don't recall anyone making the claim that the .223 is "some massive round" or that the calibre of the round was the problem with the AR-15. But, continue to tilt against that strawman if you feel the desire.

Pony Boy
01-31-2013, 04:06 PM
Uhh.. NATO 5.56 = .223 caliber.

The .223 rem cartridge is slightly different than the 5.56NATO, but the calibre is the same.

The 223 Remington is a sporting cartridge and is loaded to lower pressures and velocities as compared to 5.56 NATO a military cartridge. Yes they have the same size diameter bullet but the military cases are made with thicker brass and the NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure. The 223 Remington ammunition can be safely fired in a 5.56 NATO chambered gun, but the reverse can be an unsafe combination.

The 223 Remington is very popular in the assault style weapon sold to the public but it's still a sporting cartridge excellent for coyotes and other small predators.

Pony Boy
01-31-2013, 04:16 PM
I just spent Christmas at my wife's grandfathers ranch on WY killing prairie dogs. Those things exploded when shot...pink mist all over the place.

I haven't been in years but it has to be awesome with some of the new rifles and optics available in todayís market. Iíve heard Wy and Mt are like Colorado was in the 80ís, the ranchers are begging people to come shoot them.

Fedaykin
01-31-2013, 04:34 PM
The 223 Remington is a sporting cartridge and is loaded to lower pressures and velocities as compared to 5.56 NATO a military cartridge. Yes they have the same size diameter bullet but the military cases are made with thicker brass and the NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure. The 223 Remington ammunition can be safely fired in a 5.56 NATO chambered gun, but the reverse can be an unsafe combination.

The 223 Remington is very popular in the assault style weapon sold to the public but it's still a sporting cartridge excellent for coyotes and other small predators.

Yep, you can load a slightly higher pressure round in a 5.56 NATO chambered weapon, which is available to the public if you so choose.

nyuk nyuk
01-31-2013, 06:16 PM
I'm Kurt Cobain'in it baby.

That's wonderful news.

Dukes
01-31-2013, 07:16 PM
Here's a good write up on the exact differences of 5.56 and .223 if anyone is interested.

http://www.gundigest.com/ammunition-reviews-articles/223-vs-5-56