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Doggcow
01-19-2013, 01:56 PM
The more I remember Pro Wrestling.

Is anyone REALLY surprised that that game was edged in Baltimore's favor? Or that Manning coming off an injury was scheduled to play all of his big matchups at the beginning of the Season (in case he got hurt possibly?) or other intricacies that seem to unfold, almost like they're scripted?

Of course the whole thing isn't (no way everyone could be in on it, and not discounting the work these guys do), but really you only need a holding call here or there to change the ENTIRE NFL SEASON, for example, the fake one on the dive play.

The more I watch, the more I see the "storylines" and the more I compare how games go and pivotal officiating calls to Vegas' lines. I just can't help but wonder.

bpc
01-19-2013, 02:12 PM
Can't argue. With the pack of inconsistent called blatantly in the ravens favor, felt like I was watching the NBA.

RhymesayersDU
01-19-2013, 02:23 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaah.

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 02:32 PM
People blamed me when i said games are fixed..

Chris
01-19-2013, 02:38 PM
Can't argue. With the pack of inconsistent called blatantly in the ravens favor, felt like I was watching the NBA.

The NBA is a total joke. That's the biggest pussy sport on the planet IMO.

razorwire77
01-19-2013, 03:09 PM
Officiating was terrible last week, but there isn't some grandiose conspiracy to get a Raven v. Patriot AFC championship. Brady vs. Manning would have been a much bigger media suck off.

DenverBound
01-19-2013, 03:25 PM
Officiating was terrible last week, but there isn't some grandiose conspiracy to get a Raven v. Patriot AFC championship. Brady vs. Manning would have been a much bigger media suck off.



That's not to say that the refs aren't affiliated in some way with the sports books or Vegas. It doesn't necessarily have to be the league pulling the strings. I'm sure through history this would not be unheard of in professional sports. I bet (no pun intended) the league did want a Brady vs Manning AFCC game. Doesn't mean the refs couldn't be influenced by other outside sources.

#tinfoilhatz

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 03:49 PM
Unless its some donaghy-esque situation, I'm gonna chalk it up to **** luck.

Why would the NFL be hellbent on a Ravens/NE matchup?

spdirty
01-19-2013, 03:51 PM
My grandma (not the one that passed, this one is still with us) use to be married to a pro wrestler, and travel with him. Long before i was born. Ken Lucas was his name. She talks about him sometimes, when my grandpa isn't around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhoACWLxu6I

Of course he let her in on the, at the time, closely guarded secret that wrestling is/was fake. However, what drives me insane is the fact that he also told her that all pro sports are fake. I have argued with her so much about it. When we go to a casino in Laughlin or Vegas to gamble, I ask her to show me where it is that I can bet on the next pro wrestling match. She just will not ever stop. Last year it was "yeah that Tebow is great. They keep letting him win, maybe they'll let him win the Super Bowl this year."

She thought last week was the NFL trying to make money on all the gamblers betting on the broncos. She actually thought that Jacoby Jones, Rahim Moore, and Joe Flacco faked what they did. Please don't feed into my sweet old grandma's tinfoil hat conspiracies. The league wanted Manning/Brady. Probably also wanted Green Bay/Atlanta. The league is kinda pissy right now.

Crushaholic
01-19-2013, 03:51 PM
While Brady vs. Manning is always a good story, the Ray Lewis story is better. If the Ravens get the favorable calls, once again, I won't be surprised...:)

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 03:54 PM
While Brady vs. Manning is always a good story, the Ray Lewis story is better. If the Ravens get the favorable calls, once again, I won't be surprised...:)

How is the Ray Lewis story better? Peyton Manning was surveyed as the most popular player in the league earlier this year. Its a QB driven league. No one outside of baltimore really gives a **** about Ray Lewis

Crushaholic
01-19-2013, 04:04 PM
How is the Ray Lewis story better? Peyton Manning was surveyed as the most popular player in the league earlier this year. Its a QB driven league. No one outside of baltimore really gives a **** about Ray Lewis

I'm just thinking of the media perspective. Ray Lewis is retiring. Sure, they can rehash the previous meeting, between Brady and Manning. That's about it, though. There are a lot more stories that can be told, with Ray Lewis. You should know that. You're an official storyteller...:thumbs:

nyuk nyuk
01-19-2013, 04:11 PM
Referees were horrible and borderline suspect but it doesn't change that our defense bled yardage and our offense had issues, esp. when Moreno went out.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 04:13 PM
I'm just thinking of the media perspective. Ray Lewis is retiring. Sure, they can rehash the previous meeting, between Brady and Manning. That's about it, though. There are a lot more stories that can be told, with Ray Lewis. You should know that. You're an official storyteller...:thumbs:

I dunno about that. I think you can spin tons more yarns with the Brady v Manning story than you can about Ray Lewis.

But regardless of that, the NFL doesn't need a publicity stunt, a ratings boost, or anything like that. It's king in this country and its not close.

BroncoBuff
01-19-2013, 04:24 PM
People blamed me when i said games are fixed..

There is no compelling reason to have fixed it for Baltimore, none.

Ray Lewis had his home finale ... his draw for the AFCCG pales next to Peyton's.

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 05:11 PM
That's not to say that the refs aren't affiliated in some way with the sports books or Vegas. It doesn't necessarily have to be the league pulling the strings. I'm sure through history this would not be unheard of in professional sports.I bet (no pun intended) the league did want a Brady vs Manning AFCC game. Doesn't mean the refs couldn't be influenced by other outside sources.

#tinfoilhatz

I agree..
If close relatives of refs bets in huge amounts, they will be compelled to call the game differently.
Also, we need to look at betting mafia that can easily influence ref's calls.
Last week's game was fixed by ref's.

enjolras
01-19-2013, 05:26 PM
Nah...it's the modified Hanlon's Razor.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.

We witnessed incompetence. They don't call those hands to the face penalties against the Ravens if they were engaged in some sort of grand conspiracy.

Swedish Extrovert
01-19-2013, 06:08 PM
Laughing at these conspiracy theorists.

There might be some bias.... there always is, no matter how hard to league tries to fight the image of bias. It is reflected in things like the number of Broncos in the hall of fame or the fact that coastal teams get much more media exposure than inland teams.

But that is simply the result of the fact the people like Roger Goodell, and the nice folks over at ESPN are all human, and capable of error, not some conspiracy.

I will admit, if the Ravens game is called fairly, than the Broncos probably win that game. Or if Rahim or Champ showed up, too, the Broncos probably win the game.

ZONA
01-19-2013, 06:11 PM
It's not fixed. Just a really bad day for the officials.

I think the NFL needs to tweak a few things, but I know they won't because they're greedy bastards.

The game is much different today then it was 20 or 30 years ago. Players are faster, offenses play at a much faster pace, they pass more and they spread the field out more. I don' think refs can focus in on all the players as quick as they need to.

I'm all for the NFL having full time refs but I know they won't do it. But what I think they HAVE to do is have 4 groups that are full time. Those refs of course work the regular season but they're the groups that ref the playoffs. I don't think that's asking too much. I want the guys in stripes who are calling the playoff games to be full time and dedicate their focus for the entire year at improving their craft.

Wes Mantooth
01-19-2013, 06:24 PM
Officiating was terrible last week, but there isn't some grandiose conspiracy to get a Raven v. Patriot AFC championship. Brady vs. Manning would have been a much bigger media suck off.

Its Ray's last hurrah. That is plenty of suck off

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 06:34 PM
Laughing at these conspiracy theorists.

There might be some bias.... there always is, no matter how hard to league tries to fight the image of bias. It is reflected in things like the number of Broncos in the hall of fame or the fact that coastal teams get much more media exposure than inland teams.

But that is simply the result of the fact the people like Roger Goodell, and the nice folks over at ESPN are all human, and capable of error, not some conspiracy.

I will admit, if the Ravens game is called fairly, than the Broncos probably win that game. Or if Rahim or Champ showed up, too, the Broncos probably win the game.

It doesn't matter..This league is fixed.
It is either done by NFL or ref's..

Swedish Extrovert
01-19-2013, 06:47 PM
It doesn't matter..This league is fixed.
It is either done by NFL or ref's..

You have brain damage. It's either from god, or self-inflicted.

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 06:50 PM
You have brain damage. It's either from god, or self-inflicted.

Same to you..

UberBroncoMan
01-19-2013, 06:55 PM
There is one thing I can think of that could make a difference.

Being able to challenge penalties. By that I mean, you can throw the red flag and then challenge if something is or isn't a penalty.

Example: Throwing the flag on the interception TD to show Decker was PI'ed, or that Williams kicked Thomas as another PI.

That or force the upstairs to be able to flag plays, but then holding calls could get insanely abundant.

spdirty
01-19-2013, 06:58 PM
There is one thing I can think of that could make a difference.

Being able to challenge penalties. By that I mean, you can throw the red flag and then challenge if something is or isn't a penalty.

Example: Throwing the flag on the interception TD to show Decker was PI'ed, or that Williams kicked Thomas as another PI.

That or force the upstairs to be able to flag plays, but then holding calls could get insanely abundant.

Yeah, I wish we could review penalties or even non-calls.

errand
01-19-2013, 07:03 PM
It doesn't matter..This league is fixed.
It is either done by NFL or ref's..

the league isn't fixed...if it were then this parity they seek would have allowed the Browns to have won a SB by now....

No, I think the truth is that the union refs are just more expensive versions of the replacement refs.

MacGruder
01-19-2013, 07:28 PM
If there was anything working against Peyton it was all the hype around him... the same thing happened with Tebow last season. It seemed that the NFL or refs were afraid of looking biased towards Tebow last season and possibly Peyton this season.

Could you imagine if Peyton just waltzed his way to a championship after all the hype he got this season? Then the credibility of the NFL would be completely gone.

BUT... there is something HUGE to show that the NFL is not against Peyton... it's the way he is protected by the line. The refs let the Broncos Oline get away with murder all season protecting Peyton. Even in the playoff game he hardly got touched. Part of that is due to him dinking and dunking so much though.

Maybe what they let the line get away with in protecting him is why they are hard on him in other ways or not biased towards him there. They feel they are already gifting him enough.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 07:56 PM
If there was anything working against Peyton it was all the hype around him... the same thing happened with Tebow last season. It seemed that the NFL or refs were afraid of looking biased towards Tebow last season and possibly Peyton this season.

Could you imagine if Peyton just waltzed his way to a championship after all the hype he got this season? Then the credibility of the NFL would be completely gone.

BUT... there is something HUGE to show that the NFL is not against Peyton... it's the way he is protected by the line. The refs let the Broncos Oline get away with murder all season protecting Peyton. Even in the playoff game he hardly got touched. Part of that is due to him dinking and dunking so much though.

Maybe what they let the line get away with in protecting him is why they are hard on him in other ways or not biased towards him there. They feel they are already gifting him enough.

Do you rant nonsense on street corners too?

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 08:07 PM
If there was anything working against Peyton it was all the hype around him... the same thing happened with Tebow last season. It seemed that the NFL or refs were afraid of looking biased towards Tebow last season and possibly Peyton this season.

Could you imagine if Peyton just waltzed his way to a championship after all the hype he got this season? Then the credibility of the NFL would be completely gone.

BUT... there is something HUGE to show that the NFL is not against Peyton... it's the way he is protected by the line. The refs let the Broncos Oline get away with murder all season protecting Peyton. Even in the playoff game he hardly got touched. Part of that is due to him dinking and dunking so much though.

Maybe what they let the line get away with in protecting him is why they are hard on him in other ways or not biased towards him there. They feel they are already gifting him enough.

You will be the first member in this forum i am planning to ignore..

Swedish Extrovert
01-19-2013, 08:31 PM
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MacGruder
01-19-2013, 08:39 PM
Do you rant nonsense on street corners too?

Yeah.. nonsense like when I said Peyton would accomplish no more than Tebow and it would ruin his legacy and how this team stunk... then I was proven right. Or like when I said Tebow would be successful in the NFL if given a chance and even without being given a real chance he was successful.

Swedish Extrovert
01-19-2013, 08:51 PM
Yeah.. nonsense like when I said Peyton would accomplish no more than Tebow and it would ruin his legacy and how this team stunk... then I was proven right. Or like when I said Tebow would be successful in the NFL if given a chance and even without being given a real chance he was successful.

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Willynowei
01-19-2013, 09:44 PM
The more I remember Pro Wrestling.

Is anyone REALLY surprised that that game was edged in Baltimore's favor? Or that Manning coming off an injury was scheduled to play all of his big matchups at the beginning of the Season (in case he got hurt possibly?) or other intricacies that seem to unfold, almost like they're scripted?

Of course the whole thing isn't (no way everyone could be in on it, and not discounting the work these guys do), but really you only need a holding call here or there to change the ENTIRE NFL SEASON, for example, the fake one on the dive play.

The more I watch, the more I see the "storylines" and the more I compare how games go and pivotal officiating calls to Vegas' lines. I just can't help but wonder.

Broncos are one of the largest market teams in the country, Peyton playing for the broncos against New England would be the juiciest story line ever, to have Peyton return from injury to play vs. Tom Brady in Denver, there's no storyline better, not even Ray Lewis' retirement tour.

So no. You're ****ing wrong, idiot.

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 09:47 PM
Broncos are one of the largest market teams in the country, Peyton playing for the broncos against New England would be the juiciest story line ever, to have Peyton return from injury to play vs. Tom Brady in Denver, there's no storyline better, not even Ray Lewis' retirement tour.

So no. You're ****ing wrong, idiot.

Just for you..Posted by Denverbound..

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That's not to say that the refs aren't affiliated in some way with the sports books or Vegas. It doesn't necessarily have to be the league pulling the strings. I'm sure through history this would not be unheard of in professional sports. I bet (no pun intended) the league did want a Brady vs Manning AFCC game. Doesn't mean the refs couldn't be influenced by other outside sources.

#tinfoilhatz
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Bacchus
01-19-2013, 09:49 PM
You will be the first member in this forum i am planning to ignore..

HAHAHA No_Broncos is ignoring MacGruder. Does anyone else find this funny?!?!?!!

mwill07
01-19-2013, 10:26 PM
If there was anything working against Peyton it was all the hype around him... the same thing happened with Tebow last season. It seemed that the NFL or refs were afraid of looking biased towards Tebow last season and possibly Peyton this season.

Could you imagine if Peyton just waltzed his way to a championship after all the hype he got this season? Then the credibility of the NFL would be completely gone.

BUT... there is something HUGE to show that the NFL is not against Peyton... it's the way he is protected by the line. The refs let the Broncos Oline get away with murder all season protecting Peyton. Even in the playoff game he hardly got touched. Part of that is due to him dinking and dunking so much though.

Maybe what they let the line get away with in protecting him is why they are hard on him in other ways or not biased towards him there. They feel they are already gifting him enough.

now explain Tom Brady.

Rother8
01-19-2013, 10:52 PM
The more I remember Pro Wrestling.

Is anyone REALLY surprised that that game was edged in Baltimore's favor? Or that Manning coming off an injury was scheduled to play all of his big matchups at the beginning of the Season (in case he got hurt possibly?) or other intricacies that seem to unfold, almost like they're scripted?

Of course the whole thing isn't (no way everyone could be in on it, and not discounting the work these guys do), but really you only need a holding call here or there to change the ENTIRE NFL SEASON, for example, the fake one on the dive play.

The more I watch, the more I see the "storylines" and the more I compare how games go and pivotal officiating calls to Vegas' lines. I just can't help but wonder.
Didn't we know our schedule before Manning?

MacGruder
01-19-2013, 11:50 PM
now explain Tom Brady.

Brady has a genius coach protecting him with a genius offense designed to protect him.

KipCorrington25
01-20-2013, 12:03 AM
The Iron Sheik was not really Iraqian?

ZachKC
01-20-2013, 12:09 AM
Nope.

I don't think the NFL has integrity issues but the style of play is meh compared to what it used to be that is for sure.

pricejj
01-20-2013, 07:28 AM
Unless its some donaghy-esque situation, I'm gonna chalk it up to **** luck.

Why would the NFL be hellbent on a Ravens/NE matchup?

...to get the Patriots at home for the AFC Championship game

ScottXray
01-20-2013, 07:45 AM
...to get the Patriots at home for the AFC Championship game

THIS! Also to re-play the Balt NE AFCCG from last year, which had some
problematic calls also.

Does anyone else think it is a little funny that NE-Balt is the late game
today, while SF has to travel from the west coast and play the EARLY game at Atlanta? Who made that decision? It is well known that traveling east and playing early games puts west coast teams at somewhat of a disadvantage. Yet the two east coast teams in the AFC get the late game , while Atlanta
( also east coast) gets a west coast team early.

While I don't think the games are truly fixed, I am leaning more and more in the direction that the league has preferences as to who they would like to see in the super bowl and is not above giving certain teams preferential treatment as far as scheduling.

I will be watching these games closely to see if the Officating crews are even handed or not.

I suspect that Atlanta and Baltimore might get more favorable calls.

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 08:27 AM
It's a fixed league influenced by bookies.
Last week's game, SEA-PIT SB to name a few..
Also, i think SD-Baltimore game this year was fixed.
I bet in few years someone will definitely come out and talk about this.

Now..we have 2 East coast teams with NE getting home field advantage.

BroncosfanGuy
01-20-2013, 08:52 AM
The more I remember Pro Wrestling.

Is anyone REALLY surprised that that game was edged in Baltimore's favor? Or that Manning coming off an injury was scheduled to play all of his big matchups at the beginning of the Season (in case he got hurt possibly?) or other intricacies that seem to unfold, almost like they're scripted?

Of course the whole thing isn't (no way everyone could be in on it, and not discounting the work these guys do), but really you only need a holding call here or there to change the ENTIRE NFL SEASON, for example, the fake one on the dive play.

The more I watch, the more I see the "storylines" and the more I compare how games go and pivotal officiating calls to Vegas' lines. I just can't help but wonder.

Such a large number of the calls were on key 3rd downs as well. The phantom hold on the Hester 1st down run on 3rd and 1 raelly illustrates it considering the flag is thrown by a ref well after Hester was down with an obvious 1st that extended the drive--by a ref who was completely out of the play.

The 3rd down flags came whether the Broncos were on O or D. The NFL is going the way to the nba, which is a stone's throw away from pro wrestling. Still so pissed and it's a full week later.

broncs2bowl
01-20-2013, 08:57 AM
This could be true.

Think about it: The NFC has budding QB stars coming up: Rodgers, Wilson, Kaepernick, Ryan.

But all the AFC has is Brady and Manning who will be done VERY soon. And an up and coming Luck and a constantly injured and also old Roethlisberger.

Flacco gets to the superbowl and maybe wins it, the AFC has a new star QB for the future.


Edit: Don't forget RG3 and Cam for the NFC

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 09:01 AM
This could be true.

Think about it: The NFC has budding QB stars coming up: Rodgers, Wilson, Kaepernick, Ryan.

But all the AFC has is Brady and Manning who will be done VERY soon. And an up and coming Luck and a constantly injured and also old Roethlisberger.

Flacco gets to the superbowl and maybe wins it, the AFC has a new star QB for the future.


Edit: Don't forget RG3 and Cam for the NFC

Sports will be much better if betting is removed..I don't have any doubt that it has lot of influence how the officials are calling the game..
Ravens got lot of support from officials last week.

jbiel
01-20-2013, 09:22 AM
Officiating crews should be graded after games and receive fines/suspensions when it's poor. Of course this wouldn't matter much if they are getting paid elsewhere, but at least their friends/family/America knows they suck at their job.

broncs2bowl
01-20-2013, 10:17 AM
Another way you could look at it: The Revenge Bowl 2013

Both the 49ers and Ravens were a field goal away from being in the Super Bowl last year.

We'll have to see what happens today

broncs2bowl
01-20-2013, 10:19 AM
Another way you could look at it: The Revenge Bowl 2013

Both the 49ers and Ravens were a field goal away from being in the Super Bowl last year.

We'll have to see what happens today

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 10:31 AM
More than the NFL..I believe Ref's fix the games..They will be easily influenced by external sources(Betting being the obvious reason).

SonOfLe-loLang
01-20-2013, 11:47 AM
Well considering the ravens would have still covered in OT... Whatever the game wasn't fixed

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 11:49 AM
Well considering the ravens would have still covered in OT... Whatever the game wasn't fixed

Game is fixed by ref's..Almost all the calls are against us.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-20-2013, 12:31 PM
Game is fixed by ref's..Almost all the calls are against us.

You're insane

maher_tyler
01-20-2013, 01:20 PM
You're insane

I'm seeing same things happen in every other playoff game that are or aren't being called that were or weren't called in our game last week. On the play where Bailey got torched for the TD to end the first half, Von was being held and wasn't called. 9ers LG was doing the exact same thing but was flagged for holding on this current 9ers drive. It's frustrating to say the least. When a game is refed so bad you can only wonder. How were these guys "playoff caliber" refs??

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 01:33 PM
You're insane

Are you watching how other games are being called??
Last week was so horrible..So many bad calls..

It's frustrating when you lose the game due to officials.It has nothing to do with how opponent played.
Last year, i was not this upset when we lost to NE as they are clearly a better side.

I am not sure how a professional league can ask these kind of officials to officiate a game let alone in playoffs.

I strongly believe NFL is fixed just like other sports..It might be a sport for you..But, in the end it's a business dictated by bookies.