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Gutless Drunk
01-18-2013, 04:42 PM
Don't Be Afraid to Admit It: Refs Helped Ravens Beat Broncos in AFC Playoffs

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kirkpatrick/ravens-broncos_b_2492147.html


"There's a lot to say about the dramatic, emotional Baltimore Ravens' 38-35 double overtime win over the Denver Broncos in the AFC Playoffs on Saturday.

Did it rank among the best playoff games in NFL history? One cannot say the game lacked drama as both teams punched back and forth into double overtime. But it also was one of the ugliest postseason games ever, and referee Bill Vinovich and his officiating crew decidedly influenced the game in Baltimore's favor.

Mike Pereira, the Rules Analyst at FOX Sports and former Vice President of Officiating in the National Football League, defended the officials in his piece for Fox Sports.

"You could say the officiating crew got a frigid review from my Twitter followers, many indicating that the game was not called very well," Pereira notes. "I disagree."

He begins his apologia by reminding us:

"Baltimore-Denver was a tough game to officiate. There were a lot of points scored (73), a lot of passes thrown (77) and as I mentioned, it was cold."

Apparently, games in cold weather featuring lots of points and passes are more difficult to officiate. Perhaps the NFL should institute rules to encourage more use of the ground game and move postseason games to neutral sites in Florida and Arizona.

Well, okay, the game was cold -- the coldest postseason game in Denver Broncos history. I'm glad I wasn't out there on the field as the sun set behind the Rockies and the temperature dropped into single digits. As the game went into double overtime, it also became the longest playoff game in Denver history.

Nevertheless, in a game that had followers lighting up Twitter with comments on the officiating throughout the game, Mike Pereira choses to zero in on just two plays as a basis for his defense. And I don't think either helps him make his case.

The first is Peyton Manning's third quarter fumble (or as it was so ruled) that invoked interpretations of the so-called "tuck rule." Pereira:

The tuck rule states that if a player loses possession after he tucks the ball back into his body, it is a fumble. And that was the key. Manning did get the ball all the way back to his body before it was knocked out. If the ball would have come loose when Manning was tucking it back towards his body, then it would have been an incomplete pass. But since he had tucked it back to his body, it then became a fumble.

But as the replay showed, Manning seemed to lose control of the ball as his throwing hand came down. CBS announcer Dan Dierdorf broke it down as he watched the replay together with the viewers at home: "I think Peyton Manning starts to lose control of this football... Right there, it's coming out of his [hand] and he's not able to ever regain control of the football... he's attempting to tuck it and he loses control of the football."

Attempting is the key word here; he tried to tuck it back to his body but he lost control of it in the process. By rule, that's an incomplete pass, not a fumble. Instead, it was ruled a turnover, and on a shortened field, the Ravens tied the game with a Ray Rice touchdown five plays later. More on this in a bit.

The second play Pereira cherry picks is the disputed completion to Baltimore Ravens receiver Anquan Boldin with 12:30 left in overtime. If the catch had been ruled incomplete, the Ravens would have been forced to punt to Denver from their own 22-yard line in what had become a battle for field position.

Pereira:

The officials ruled that Boldin had made the catch. He did bobble the ball, but he regained possession with his right hand on his way to the ground. The ball hit the ground, but in order for the pass to be ruled incomplete, Boldin would have literally had to lose possession of the ball. Boldin's right hand stayed on the ball at all times. The ground was deemed not to have aided Boldin in completing the catch, since he had possession first before he hit the ground. If the ball touches the ground simultaneously with possession being gained, then the ground is deemed to have aided in the completion of the catch and the pass is incomplete. Again, Vinovich made the correct ruling.

Pereira's statement "in order for the pass to be ruled incomplete, Boldin would have literally had to lose possession of the ball" has me stumped, as it appeared in a replay close-up this is just what happened: Boldin hit the ground in the process of completing the catch, and he momentarily trapped the ball against the ground before regaining control of it. (It should be noted: You can lose possession of the ball even though you have your hand on it.) Another bad call, it seems to me, and one which aided the Ravens in an overtime period ultimately decided by field position and won by a field goal.

But let's move on from these two plays; it's at least possible to have different interpretations of the replays. But Pereira makes a blanket statement that the game was officiated well. In doing so, he seems to ignore some of his own in-game statements on Twitter.

The tone for a poorly officiated game was set in the first quarter when Peyton Manning threw to receiver Eric Decker. Ravens cornerback Chykie Brown (who would rightly be flagged for launching himself at a defenseless receiver later in the game) prevented Decker from making the catch by wrapping up Decker's left arm before the ball arrived--a clear example of pass interference. The ball was tipped, and Ravens' Corey Graham made the interception and returned it for a touchdown.

Watching the replay, Dierdorf noted: "Now there was some contact early. There's no question that the Ravens got away with a little something there."

In Pereira's own words on Twitter at the time: "In my opinion he made contact as he was turning around and was not making a legitimate play on the ball when the contact first occurred."

But interference was not called, and so instead of a first down for the Broncos near midfield with the score tied, the Ravens now led 14-7.

As they old adage goes, "As long as you call that both ways..." But in this game, it wasn't...

Read more (and please refrain from having a political feak-out because is is on huffingon) at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kirkpatrick/ravens-broncos_b_2492147.html

BroncosfanGuy
01-18-2013, 04:44 PM
win 1 for the gipper. or something like that

OrangeSe7en
01-18-2013, 05:21 PM
The biggest play of the game was the missed PI in the first half that resulted in an INT and a return for a TD. That was a free 7 points in a game that went to double OT. What was bad about this is that during the course of the game, Dierdorf would get worked up about how the referees spotted the ball various times when Harbaugh was upset. Sorry but this doesn't come close to the missed PI that resulted in 7 points.

But I agree with the criticism of Perreira here. That guys is a worhless piece of ****. He's everything that's wrong about the NFL now.

pricejj
01-18-2013, 05:25 PM
I especially like the long TD attempt to Demaryious Thomas, where Cary Williams? threw his legs out as DT was flying by to disrupt the play...no PI called.

OrangeSe7en
01-18-2013, 05:28 PM
I especially like the long TD attempt to Demaryious Thomas, where Cary Williams? threw his legs out as DT was flying by to disrupt the play...no PI called.

Yeah, the 3rd down PI on Carter (right before the bomb where Champ got beat and right after/before the PI on Decker that was missed resulting in a pick 6).

Denver got some calls but its not as if it evened out.

Gutless Drunk
01-18-2013, 05:33 PM
I like the Pereria mocking. You are trying to defend the refereeing and you say "It was also cold" ?!?

"Pereira's defense of his former zebra brethren is simply par for the course after such games. As quick as people are to criticize referees for controversial calls, after any game that's been marred by bad calls, invariably there are fans and commentators who rush to say that's not really what decided the game. They shrug off the results of bad officiating decisions even for the most game-changing of plays. Both teams benefit from bad calls, they say. Referees don't decide games. Repeat after me: Referees don't decide games.

Such statements are statements of religious faith. They're based only on what people want to believe to avoid confronting uncomfortable realities.

But let's also not pretend Baltimore won this game because they made all the plays and Denver didn't. The Broncos converted just as many third downs (7) as did the Ravens and were 3 for 3 in the red zone, all on Manning touchdown passes. And despite a series of game-altering calls that went against them, the Broncos had overcome them to lead by a touchdown heading into the final minute of the game. Meanwhile, the Ravens were not without their own mistakes--including having to burn a precious timeout to avoid a delay of game penalty in the waning moments of regulation, which nearly doomed them -- or, at times, unimaginative play calling. And any team that gives up a 90-yard punt return and a 104-yard kickoff return for touchdowns in the same game must've blown a coverage or two somewhere.

Ultimately, underneath all the clichés and apologies, it is hard to argue the Baltimore Ravens would not have lost the game long before overtime without several game-changing assists from the officiating crew. I'm assuming Vinovich and his crew are highly rated official if they were selected by the league to do this playoff game. His coming back to field duty after missing a number years on medical leave is a nice story. Nevertheless, these officials tilted the playing field for this game, and Pereira's apologies cannot erase or diminish that. Nor should it stop the NFL from re-visiting how they put together officiating crews for postseason contests.

Especially if those game will be played outdoors in winter and might have two quarterbacks who like to pass"

Blueflame
01-18-2013, 06:11 PM
Pereira's comments are nothing more than "damage control" as football fans are commenting in cyberspace about what they saw with their own eyes. He's trying to tell us we didn't really see what we all saw. And it's not gonna work. The smell of horsecrap is too strong.

Broncos dude
01-18-2013, 06:18 PM
Pereira's comments are nothing more than "damage control" as football fans are commenting in cyberspace about what they saw with their own eyes. He's trying to tell us we didn't really see what we all saw. And it's not gonna work. The smell of horsecrap is too strong.

It was just a freakin bad day all around

Blueflame
01-18-2013, 06:23 PM
It was just a freakin bad day all around

Yes, it was. And while officiating was not the reason why we lost (too many mistakes and missed opportunities was), it's still incorrect to say that officiating was good... or even just "ok"... 'cause it wasn't.

Broncos dude
01-18-2013, 06:30 PM
Yes, it was. And while officiating was not the reason why we lost (too many mistakes and missed opportunities was), it's still incorrect to say that officiating was good... or even just "ok"... 'cause it wasn't.

I agree

OrangeSe7en
01-18-2013, 06:33 PM
Yes, it was. And while officiating was not the reason why we lost (too many mistakes and missed opportunities was), it's still incorrect to say that officiating was good... or even just "ok"... 'cause it wasn't.

How can anyone say this, especially after what she said before? Dumb. The game went into over time. Denver yielded 2 massive plays that swung the game and were both a result of bad calls. 1. They obviously missed that PI call against Decker. 2. They flubbed the call against Carter on the play before Champ got used the first time.

Yes, Denver got some calls but none of them resulted in points the same way they did for Baltimore. And this was a game that went to double OT mind you. It's laughable to try to make the claim that a disparity in bad calls didn't make a difference.

Having said that, I don't want to complain about this for the rest of my life. Because, quite simply, no one cares. It's over. What's done is done. But if Im going to be honest about it, yeah, there were some really bad calls that didn't come close to evening out. And, oh yeah, Pereira is a suck as cheesdick that has no business being on TV.

TonyR
01-18-2013, 06:39 PM
Ultimately, underneath all the clichés and apologies, it is hard to argue the Baltimore Ravens would not have lost the game long before overtime without several game-changing assists from the officiating crew.

Glad to see somebody in the media noticed this...

orangeatheist
01-18-2013, 07:23 PM
Go figure, my favorite quote from the article was:

Such statements are statements of religious faith. They're based only on what people want to believe to avoid confronting uncomfortable realities.

So applicable both in the context of the game, and for every Sunday morning.

Gutless Drunk
01-18-2013, 08:03 PM
Because, quite simply, no one cares. It's over. What's done is done.

True, but having national articles like this does not hurt. If it becomes urban lore that we got screwed, then perhaps in the psyche of an official it may effect things if we are in the same situation next year. Who knows, we may even get some of those (gasp!) "home cookin" Patriot calls.

Blueflame
01-18-2013, 09:05 PM
How can anyone say this, especially after what she said before? Dumb. The game went into over time. Denver yielded 2 massive plays that swung the game and were both a result of bad calls. 1. They obviously missed that PI call against Decker. 2. They flubbed the call against Carter on the play before Champ got used the first time.

Yes, Denver got some calls but none of them resulted in points the same way they did for Baltimore. And this was a game that went to double OT mind you. It's laughable to try to make the claim that a disparity in bad calls didn't make a difference.

Having said that, I don't want to complain about this for the rest of my life. Because, quite simply, no one cares. It's over. What's done is done. But if Im going to be honest about it, yeah, there were some really bad calls that didn't come close to evening out. And, oh yeah, Pereira is a suck as cheesdick that has no business being on TV.

If our team had played well... at the level they needed to play in the playoffs... then the bad calls wouldn't have mattered, would they? Bad calls wouldn't have mattered if Prater had made a "clean" kick instead of taking an 18-inch divot out of the field... and that's just one example of something our guys could have done differently to change things. Another? If a young safety had not allowed the receiver to get past him... with no one left between the WR and the end zone... we wouldn't be talking about officiating.

That said... Pereira is doing damage control and trying to sweep the poor officiating under the rug and move on, minimizing just how much the bad calls did affect the game.

oubronco
01-18-2013, 09:15 PM
Moore knocks the ball down and its ballgame refs bad calls and all

vanbrugh
01-18-2013, 09:16 PM
The zebras shortened our gameplan, it doesnt help when you have a QB that at this moment in time cant grasp the ball a 100%. ****me i hate this game and all its poison!!! Those umpires should never work again!

nyuk nyuk
01-18-2013, 09:37 PM
Pereira is an a-hole. He can't even explain what happened when Peyton lost the ball! Nobody knocked it out. MY GOD where do they get these a-holes!

And what? Since when does a trapped ball have to be lost on possession after hitting the ground to be called an incomplete pass? WHAT A LOAD.

THIS GUY IS A FRAUD.

Former VP of officiating!! Hilarious!:giggle:

nyuk nyuk
01-18-2013, 09:39 PM
I especially like the long TD attempt to Demaryious Thomas, where Cary Williams? threw his legs out as DT was flying by to disrupt the play...no PI called.

Yes, as the clown was tumbling to the ground he stuck his left leg out and Tonya Harding-ed Thomas.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2013, 10:00 PM
There's probably a few reason the Broncos lost this game, and we don't know exactly how things would have played out had the refs made the right calls, but common sense tells us the Broncos chances would have increased exponentially had the "tuck rule" play (or the dumb Kupe holding penalty) and deck PI gone our way. That's 14 points right there. And don't get me started on the overtime calls. Especially the Champ PI one.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2013, 10:00 PM
By the way, where are the blowhards hating on the HuffPo, that liberal rag!

nyuk nyuk
01-18-2013, 10:09 PM
By the way, where are the blowhards hating on the HuffPo, that liberal rag!

It IS a liberal rag, but they got one article on sports right. Congrats.

There is clearly an NFL coverup about this.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2013, 10:09 PM
All the calls aside the pace of the refs slowed our O down to a stop with how long they would take to decide anything. Nothing is worse then letting a worn out aging D get extra rest when we are a uptempo team.

TomServo
01-18-2013, 11:54 PM
Well ya we got hosed. good teams usually can usually overcome. but. like the seahawks against the stealers in the SB. sometimes its Too much..the NFL pretty much came out and said the refs blew that SB.(why i never Ever want the drooling chin as our HC).
But, even after the R Moore f-up. the supposedly goat qb threw a stupid interception, in OT, on our side of the field.

Taco John
01-19-2013, 01:11 AM
Even with the bad calls, I felt like our guys lacked the intensity on defense to match the Ravens intensity on defense.

We need a team leading middle linebacker.

Taco John
01-19-2013, 01:11 AM
Even with the bad calls, I felt like our guys lacked the intensity on defense to match the Ravens intensity on defense.

We need a team leading middle linebacker.

ColoradoDarin
01-19-2013, 05:36 AM
By the way, where are the blowhards hating on the HuffPo, that liberal rag!

Can't speak for the others, but I respected Gutless Drunk's last line to not involve politics just because it's HuffPo. So it looks like you're the only a-hole in here.... :kiss:

rmsanger
01-19-2013, 05:49 AM
So did Champ Bailey's crap ass play! He Manti Teo'd in pass coverage.

http://s3-ak.buzzfeed.com/static/campaign_images/webdr03/2013/1/17/10/teoing-is-the-new-new-tebowing-1-18218-1358437004-0_big.jpg

UberBroncoMan
01-19-2013, 06:23 AM
By the way, where are the blowhards hating on the HuffPo, that liberal rag!

...well, they do know liberally thrown penalties when they see them.

;)

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 08:33 AM
Can't speak for the others, but I respected Gutless Drunk's last line to not involve politics just because it's HuffPo. So it looks like you're the only a-hole in here.... :kiss:

Guilty as charged!

pricejj
01-19-2013, 08:59 AM
Even with the bad calls, I felt like our guys lacked the intensity on defense to match the Ravens intensity on defense.

We need a team leading middle linebacker.

and/or a team leading SS

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 09:01 AM
Almost a week over..still can't forget the way the officiating was done.
Pathetic from NFL.
Replacement officials are better..

vanbrugh
01-19-2013, 09:19 AM
Its hard to win games when the refs destroy momentum over and over again!

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 09:26 AM
Its hard to win games when the refs destroy momentum over and over again!

I agree...Even then..we almost won the game.
This show how strong our team is this year.

Would have been a great game against NE tomorrow.

All ruined because of refs and part of it because of the way we played.

Dedhed
01-19-2013, 09:39 AM
Moore knocks the ball down and its ballgame refs bad calls and allThat ignores 15-20 other instances prior that would have made the Moore play an insignificant side note that led to garbage points and made the Raven's loss a little less ugly.

nyuk nyuk
01-19-2013, 10:24 AM
Speaking of momentum, I hope Gase's inexperience at OC doesn't trash it...

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 10:46 AM
Speaking of momentum, I hope Gase's inexperience at OC doesn't trash it...

Peyton is still the one making most of the calls.

Irish Stout
01-19-2013, 11:02 AM
Change challenge rules so that all plays are challengeable including PI. I understand its a "judgment call" but if it clearly is or is not PI it should be overturned. Like the Decker int. play or the DT trip.

nyuk nyuk
01-19-2013, 11:05 AM
Peyton is still the one making most of the calls.

That's never been said, and it has been reaffirmed in the past few days: Peyton isn't the OC and wants to be coached. He audibles at the line at times, just as Tebow did.

Seems to me if he had that much control, he'd not have kneed down with 30 seconds left. I have a hard time thinking he didn't want to go for sideline passes and a field goal there.

Hamrob
01-19-2013, 11:12 AM
Reasons we lost the game:

1. The secondary
2. Peyton Manning
3. No pass rush
4. Coaching (ex:Not involving D. Thomas more, playcalling etc.)
5. Refs

If only 3-4 of the above were the issue, we would have won. But, with all that stacked against you...forget about it.

The Refs really killed us with the PI calls. The one against Decker was obvious and hurt us bad (see gladiator...spike to the kidney). The calls against Champ and Carter were terrible. And the no call against Baltimore for leg whipping Thomas was outrageous! Thomas was at the 5 and would have scored...the guy falls, and leg whips Thomas and no call is made...even the announcers chose to ignore it.

The reason you don't hear anyone talking about the officiating...is because the officials are the NFL! And, the NFL doesn't allow you to talk negatively about the officials. If you do so...you get fined. And Peria is loyal to the Refs...and covers for them each and every week!

mwill07
01-19-2013, 11:27 AM
Reasons we lost the game:

1. The secondary
2. Peyton Manning
3. No pass rush
4. Coaching (ex:Not involving D. Thomas more, playcalling etc.)
5. Refs

If only 3-4 of the above were the issue, we would have won. But, with all that stacked against you...forget about it.

The Refs really killed us with the PI calls. The one against Decker was obvious and hurt us bad (see gladiator...spike to the kidney). The calls against Champ and Carter were terrible. And the no call against Baltimore for leg whipping Thomas was outrageous! Thomas was at the 5 and would have scored...the guy falls, and leg whips Thomas and no call is made...even the announcers chose to ignore it.

The reason you don't hear anyone talking about the officiating...is because the officials are the NFL! And, the NFL doesn't allow you to talk negatively about the officials. If you do so...you get fined. And Peria is loyal to the Refs...and covers for them each and every week!

if not for 5. on your list, there would be absolutely nothing to complain about with 2. Therefore, I'd suggest you should swap their positions.

Durango
01-19-2013, 12:59 PM
if not for 5. on your list, there would be absolutely nothing to complain about with 2. Therefore, I'd suggest you should swap their positions.


Agreed.

1 Coaching/Playcalling
2 Secondary/Pass Rush (or lack of it)
3 Refs

I don't include Manning because he never would've been in that situation if not for the unbelievably bad play calling and crappy play of the secondary.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 01:04 PM
That's never been said, and it has been reaffirmed in the past few days: Peyton isn't the OC and wants to be coached. He audibles at the line at times, just as Tebow did.

Seems to me if he had that much control, he'd not have kneed down with 30 seconds left. I have a hard time thinking he didn't want to go for sideline passes and a field goal there.

Much of the Broncos offensive concepts come from a play, and then if Peyton doesn't like what he sees, he audibles into a better one. Its not that complicated.

And i dont think Tebow ever audibled did he?

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 01:06 PM
Reasons we lost the game:

1. The secondary
2. Peyton Manning
3. No pass rush
4. Coaching (ex:Not involving D. Thomas more, playcalling etc.)
5. Refs

If only 3-4 of the above were the issue, we would have won. But, with all that stacked against you...forget about it.

The Refs really killed us with the PI calls. The one against Decker was obvious and hurt us bad (see gladiator...spike to the kidney). The calls against Champ and Carter were terrible. And the no call against Baltimore for leg whipping Thomas was outrageous! Thomas was at the 5 and would have scored...the guy falls, and leg whips Thomas and no call is made...even the announcers chose to ignore it.

The reason you don't hear anyone talking about the officiating...is because the officials are the NFL! And, the NFL doesn't allow you to talk negatively about the officials. If you do so...you get fined. And Peria is loyal to the Refs...and covers for them each and every week!

Putting Manning as TWO on that list is ****ing absurd. In regulation, 100+ rating, 3tds, good fourth quarter drive. And his two turnovers shouldn't have ever been turnovers. But yes, he was number 2. Sure.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2013, 01:07 PM
Even Bill Simmons, number one Manning hater, thought he played well

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 01:09 PM
Last week about this time..i was waiting for this game to start.
Little i know that the officials will screw up this game.
It's sad that the coaches can't openly criticize or talk about officiating.
ESPN,FOX is also not pointing the mistakes.

I bet they will highlight them if it happens tomorrow against NE.

Wes Mantooth
01-19-2013, 01:46 PM
Reasons we lost the game:

1. The secondary
2. Peyton Manning
3. No pass rush
4. Coaching (ex:Not involving D. Thomas more, playcalling etc.)
5. Refs

If only 3-4 of the above were the issue, we would have won. But, with all that stacked against you...forget about it.

The Refs really killed us with the PI calls. The one against Decker was obvious and hurt us bad (see gladiator...spike to the kidney). The calls against Champ and Carter were terrible. And the no call against Baltimore for leg whipping Thomas was outrageous! Thomas was at the 5 and would have scored...the guy falls, and leg whips Thomas and no call is made...even the announcers chose to ignore it.

The reason you don't hear anyone talking about the officiating...is because the officials are the NFL! And, the NFL doesn't allow you to talk negatively about the officials. If you do so...you get fined. And Peria is loyal to the Refs...and covers for them each and every week!

This sounds like someone who read the box score and did not watch the game.

nyuk nyuk
01-19-2013, 02:29 PM
Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi

One week later, kickoff temperature 60-degrees. Stage 4. Anger.

oubronco
01-19-2013, 05:16 PM
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Wes Mantooth
01-19-2013, 05:21 PM
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4374/deck.gif

d@mnit.

go_broncos
01-19-2013, 05:23 PM
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Very sad..
The officiating crew should apologize to broncos and their fans for what they did.

ZONA
01-19-2013, 05:36 PM
It's always much harder to live with the bad call when you team loses but the NFL is far from being perfect and you can almost expect a few bad calls to go your way going into the game. Same with the NBA, there are just so many judgement calls that happen so fast. You love the NFL for what it is but you hate it sometimes for what it is, if that makes any sense.

Hopefully next year when we are in the playoffs this sad group of refs are not calling any of our games.

enjolras
01-19-2013, 05:41 PM
I was at a bar watching the game... it didn't really sink in until a couple of days ago how bad Decker was mugged on that play. Unbelievable.

Wes Mantooth
01-19-2013, 05:58 PM
It's always much harder to live with the bad call when you team loses but the NFL is far from being perfect and you can almost expect a few bad calls to go your way going into the game. Same with the NBA, there are just so many judgement calls that happen so fast. You love the NFL for what it is but you hate it sometimes for what it is, if that makes any sense.

Hopefully next year when we are in the playoffs this sad group of refs are not calling any of our games.

The NBA is fixed.

maher_tyler
01-19-2013, 09:04 PM
Its hard to win games when the refs destroy momentum over and over again!

I agree with this. Refs played a huge role in the outcome of our game. The stat sheet says Manning had 3 turnovers...however, none of them should have even happened. How anyone could put him on a list of why we lost is beyond me. My list goes:

1) Refs
2) Defense
3) Coaching

The refs had a trickling down effect. No pick 6, no Manning fumble etc 2 and 3 aren't even on the list and we're playing NE at home tomorrow.

lonestar
01-19-2013, 09:23 PM
Being a biased Bronco fan I did see some calls that could have been made against the crows that were not and a play or two against the Broncos that should not have been called..


That said I have said all year I did not think we had the players to win it all this year.. we lack a star at DT, MLB and I think KUper was playing hurt again..

We need to beef the OL up in the middle about 15+ pounds per guy just to stop the push by the DL and maybe even open a few more 3rd and short holes that we have been unable to do since our last super bowl team on a consistent basis..

I said this during the game itself, as I have said for the past 50 years wait till next year..

Hopefully we will be able to address those items listed in teh draft as well as off season..

Hamrob
01-19-2013, 11:01 PM
Putting Manning as TWO on that list is ****ing absurd. In regulation, 100+ rating, 3tds, good fourth quarter drive. And his two turnovers shouldn't have ever been turnovers. But yes, he was number 2. Sure.I strongly disagree!

Hamrob
01-19-2013, 11:03 PM
Putting Manning as TWO on that list is ****ing absurd. In regulation, 100+ rating, 3tds, good fourth quarter drive. And his two turnovers shouldn't have ever been turnovers. But yes, he was number 2. Sure.I think you guys need to take off your #18 glasses for a few seconds and actually compare that game (the biggest of the year) against...the rest of his regular season games. Next to Atlanta, it was his worst game.

Sure, take the Decker play away....which was a bad throw by the way, and you still have a fumble and a terrible INT in OT (when it mattered most). That's not even to mention....(but I will) the fact that he didn't even try to get the ball to DT (3 catches) against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL! Nor, did he even try to push the ball down the field.

Say whatever the Heck you like....and I'm a huge Manning fan................He pissed the bed in the most important game of the year.

What did the Broncos need to prevent in order to win the game??? Do not turn the ball over. Guess what....who was the only one to turn the ball over????

The secondary killed us, but Manning shot us in the foot when it mattered most! He had some very nice TD throws...but, he fumbled, threw Int's and played way too conservative to win a playoff game.

enjolras
01-19-2013, 11:24 PM
Manning clearly struggled in the cold. His command was off and he really struggled with accuracy.

It makes me nervous that the cold aggravates his injury.

Br0nc0Buster
01-19-2013, 11:42 PM
the officiating was a joke in that game

between the mugging of Decker and the non call on the trip on Thomas; just an abortion of a game all around

TomServo
01-20-2013, 12:51 AM
i know i got all kinds of flak for saying i didnt see the dif between the replacement refs and the regs. the replay system is designed to sell more beer and cars than to get a call right. anyone (which is everyone nowadays) can replay their dvr ten times before the first damn commercial.

winstoncup bronco
01-20-2013, 06:00 AM
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4374/deck.gif

Aside from the obvious PI, one thing I've noticed in that clip that I haven't seen mentioned is, it looks like someone ran a bad route (Stokley?).

A route is being run too close behind Decker, which is why there happened to be 3 guys in the area. The guy that was covering the other receiver was close enough to make a play on the tipped ball. I doubt those guys were supposed to be 5 yards from each other.

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 07:18 AM
I still don't understand how NFL can field incompetent officials in a divisional playoff game.
Officiating was good in remaining three playoff games..

Will not be surprised if the ref's earned millions last week.

CEH
01-20-2013, 07:20 AM
I think you guys need to take off your #18 glasses for a few seconds and actually compare that game (the biggest of the year) against...the rest of his regular season games. Next to Atlanta, it was his worst game.

Sure, take the Decker play away....which was a bad throw by the way, and you still have a fumble and a terrible INT in OT (when it mattered most). That's not even to mention....(but I will) the fact that he didn't even try to get the ball to DT (3 catches) against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL! Nor, did he even try to push the ball down the field.

Say whatever the Heck you like....and I'm a huge Manning fan................He pissed the bed in the most important game of the year.

What did the Broncos need to prevent in order to win the game??? Do not turn the ball over. Guess what....who was the only one to turn the ball over????

The secondary killed us, but Manning shot us in the foot when it mattered most! He had some very nice TD throws...but, he fumbled, threw Int's and played way too conservative to win a playoff game.

Don't forget the fumble in the 3rd qtr that was nullified by a Baltimore penalty

4 turnovers from the QB position in a playoff game is pretty hard to ignore

winstoncup bronco
01-20-2013, 07:40 AM
I think you guys need to take off your #18 glasses for a few seconds and actually compare that game (the biggest of the year) against...the rest of his regular season games. Next to Atlanta, it was his worst game.

Sure, take the Decker play away....which was a bad throw by the way, and you still have a fumble and a terrible INT in OT (when it mattered most). That's not even to mention....(but I will) the fact that he didn't even try to get the ball to DT (3 catches) against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL! Nor, did he even try to push the ball down the field.

Say whatever the Heck you like....and I'm a huge Manning fan................He pissed the bed in the most important game of the year.

What did the Broncos need to prevent in order to win the game??? Do not turn the ball over. Guess what....who was the only one to turn the ball over????

The secondary killed us, but Manning shot us in the foot when it mattered most! He had some very nice TD throws...but, he fumbled, threw Int's and played way too conservative to win a playoff game.

That's how it is around here, there will always be the untouchable, sacred cows, that nothing bad can ever be said of.

Conversely, there are guys that if you say anything good about, you will get ripped for saying it.

Manning had far from his best game, and no, he didn't have the game won, because if he did, we would be playing this week. The offense only had 7 points after halftime. That obviously is not going to win you many playoff games, so who gets the blame for that? Of course Manning has to shoulder most of that blame, since he's the captain of the offense, the potential MVP of the league. He cannot get a pass. He had his opportunities in OT, but we only had around 50 yards total offense. And then of course the interception to lose it.

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 08:32 AM
Manning was never clutch in playoff games..We also lost due to Fox play calling.
That being said..we would have won the game if the officials were impartial.

Who the hell's idea is to have those officials in an NFL game(let alone in playoffs).

DaFace
01-20-2013, 08:35 AM
Bronco fans should never be allowed to make fun of other teams' fans complaining about the officials again.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-20-2013, 09:51 AM
Bronco fans should never be allowed to make fun of other teams' fans complaining about the officials again.

How's that?

We were ****ing robbed. If you weren't an inbred hick, you might be able to see that.

(See, because inbreeding can cause a whole host of problems, including issues with vision.)

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 10:07 AM
Media would be talking about officiating if it was done against teams like NE/Giants

Hamrob
01-20-2013, 10:57 AM
This sounds like someone who read the box score and did not watch the game.Actually, you sound like someone who not only didn't watch the game...but, doesn't have a mind of his own. Hilarious!

lonestar
01-20-2013, 12:35 PM
Manning was never clutch in playoff games..We also lost due to Fox play calling.
That being said..we would have won the game if the officials were impartial.

Who the hell's idea is to have those officials in an NFL game(let alone in playoffs).

Got to remember that in the past Manning had zip for a defense they had to out score the other team. When you get into the playoffs most teams are pretty good teams and usually every matched.

So blaming Manning in the past for having a losing record as being the boy reason they lost. Is well at best weak.

We lost last week because we had no control of the LOS on either side of it. Their revamped OL flat beat up on our smaller guys. While we pretty mich stopped the running game. They did not allow our vaunted pass rushers near flacko. When he has time to throw like Brady, he will kill you with the long ball.

As for our OL we were out weighed by a bunch and were being manhandled.

Add about 15-20 pounds of muscle n the interior OL and we should be fine for next year.

Also Kuper was not ready to play last week, and frankly he may never be the bruiser he used to be.

I think Clady is over rated and we should look long and hard about giving him the keys to Pats owners box and perhaps be looking for a cheaper better run blocking guy as he got his ass handed to him on several occasions.

Fix the LOS issues and we will be contenders for a long time.

Wes Mantooth
01-20-2013, 02:32 PM
Actually, you sound like someone who not only didn't watch the game...but, doesn't have a mind of his own. Hilarious!

Uh, you have to be nuts to put the refs #5. The only thing that is funny is your view on reality. What I saw was:

1. Our WR getting speared a good two steps before the ball was delivered on at least three occasions including the pick-6.-
2. Offensive pass interference on at least one of Champ's TD's given up.
3. Champ did not PI in overtime that lead to Boldin's catch that was not a catch.
4. Our D-line was constantly held.

For these reasons, your #5 should be #1.

broncogary
01-20-2013, 02:43 PM
How's that?

We were ****ing robbed. If you weren't an inbred hick, you might be able to see that.

(See, because inbreeding can cause a whole host of problems, including issues with vision.)

Sounds like family smack to me.

Blueflame
01-20-2013, 04:02 PM
Got to remember that in the past Manning had zip for a defense they had to out score the other team. When you get into the playoffs most teams are pretty good teams and usually every matched.

So blaming Manning in the past for having a losing record as being the boy reason they lost. Is well at best weak.

We lost last week because we had no control of the LOS on either side of it. Their revamped OL flat beat up on our smaller guys. While we pretty mich stopped the running game. They did not allow our vaunted pass rushers near flacko. When he has time to throw like Brady, he will kill you with the long ball.

As for our OL we were out weighed by a bunch and were being manhandled.

Add about 15-20 pounds of muscle n the interior OL and we should be fine for next year.

Also Kuper was not ready to play last week, and frankly he may never be the bruiser he used to be.

I think Clady is over rated and we should look long and hard about giving him the keys to Pats owners box and perhaps be looking for a cheaper better run blocking guy as he got his ass handed to him on several occasions.

Fix the LOS issues and we will be contenders for a long time.

They're gonna keep on holding Von and Doom until they get flagged for it. They didn't get flagged for it; simple as that.

lonestar
01-20-2013, 04:34 PM
They're gonna keep on holding Von and Doom until they get flagged for it. They didn't get flagged for it; simple as that.

I will not disagree with you, on this. But if you send more Bodies than they have bodies holding you get to the QB.

We did not, we lost.

Get some real beefy DTs that take double teaming to stop and someone gets a free shot at the QB.

Let hope that John, JDR and John get that handled in the offseason. Until we do we lose in the playoffs.

Please note that the better Dls will win today. It is not the players behind them but the DLs that disrupt the run and harass the passer.

If you have to blitz to get to him, good QBs you see in the playoffs will make you pay.

As mikey always said each year in his EOS presser we are one or two players away. DT and OG.

Broncos dude
01-20-2013, 04:42 PM
Let it go. We will be back next year

spdirty
01-20-2013, 04:51 PM
Let it go. We will be back next year

That's what I thought in 2006.

Chris
01-20-2013, 04:52 PM
That's what I thought in 2006.

I never thought that in 2006.

go_broncos
01-20-2013, 04:55 PM
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Due to a heart condition, Bill Vinovich retired from field duty following to 2007 season, to serve as the replay official for Ed Hochuli. He was replaced as a referee by former side judge John Parry.

In 2012, doctors gave Vinovich a clean bill of health, and he has returned as a substitute official. On October 14, 2012, he returned to field level action for the first time since 2006, heading Scott Green's crew in Philadelphia.
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The last time he officiated a playoff game was in 2006..

Not sure..why he was allowed to officiate a playoff game in first place(and that too why our game???)

Broncos dude
01-20-2013, 04:58 PM
That's what I thought in 2006.

With peyton back and great nucleus around him. We will be fine

oubronco
01-20-2013, 05:02 PM
He was cheap

Old Dude
01-20-2013, 08:38 PM
We wuz robbed.

HILife
01-21-2013, 12:33 PM
If the Ravens win the Super Bowl, I will never acknowledge their win. In my mind, the 2012 season never had a Super Bowl. I don't mind losing, but I will never accept being checked out of a win.