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Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 06:19 PM
OT, but did anybody see this? It was a nice program, but they featured a really creepy old dude, Daniel Fisher.

That dude creeped me out. He's talking about "mass die-offs (smile), you can see how a whole Mastodon family died (smile), they all died right here (smile), you can see all their bones (smile), they all came here at one time and died (smile)"

I've been around some academics that loved their work, but this guy Daniel Fisher is creepy. Proctologist kind of creepy, but in an archaeological kind of way.

MacGruder
01-17-2013, 06:27 PM
Did he say when they died and how they died?

That One Guy
01-17-2013, 07:24 PM
Holy ****... Mac's back!

broncocalijohn
01-17-2013, 07:28 PM
I hate two things: Off season threads and MacGruder posting.

Requiem
01-17-2013, 07:34 PM
Nope.

nyuk nyuk
01-17-2013, 07:59 PM
There's a lot of amazing stuff around Snowmass, actually. The description of this guy smiling every other few words reminds me of Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie. I resent you for making me think of that.

Rohirrim
01-17-2013, 08:29 PM
I refuse to accept that we are in the offseason.

bowtown
01-17-2013, 08:38 PM
Did he say when they died and how they died?

Future moon nazis killed them and then forgot them there during a ski trip. Go away.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 08:58 PM
Did he say when they died and how they died?

Seismic activity over about a 150,000 year period. The watering hole was there for all that time, but there was seismic activity that caught some groups (smile) in liquefaction (smile) once every few thousand years (smile).

Sand liquefaction was the explanation, as a result of seismic activity.

MacGruder
01-17-2013, 09:00 PM
Thanks! Interesting info.

Rohirrim
01-17-2013, 09:03 PM
I wonder if mastodon was tasty?

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 09:09 PM
I hate two things: Off season threads and MacGruder posting.

What the hell man, it is kind of interesting. Only a few archeaological sites like this exist, and here it is at about 9000 ft in Colorado discovered because they were expanding a reservoir for the Aspen ski resort.

Dang watering hole had been there for over 150,000 years. The same watering hole.

Camels were there, wolves as big as bears, bears 11 feet tall, mammoths, mastodons, sloths as big as grizzlies, all there in the clay.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 09:11 PM
I refuse to accept that we are in the offseason.

Yet there we are.

MacGruder
01-17-2013, 09:15 PM
Think about how many animals have existed on Earth... I wonder what percentage survive in some form to be found at a later date. It must be an incredibly minuscule number of animals. I think we underestimate how much history could just completely disappear and we have no record of it whatsoever. Entire eras could be literally wiped off the face of the Earth because of global catastrophes.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 09:19 PM
Here's the Nova link:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/ice-age-death-trap.html

Kind of cool that was a watering hole for 150,000 years that still exists to this day. It was an existing reservoir that they wanted to expand.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 09:27 PM
Think about how many animals have existed on Earth... I wonder what percentage survive in some form to be found at a later date. It must be an incredibly minuscule number of animals. I think we underestimate how much history could just completely disappear and we have no record of it whatsoever. Entire eras could be literally wiped off the face of the Earth because of global catastrophes.

Yup. Camels, horses, sloths disappeared from North America. They all ended up elsewhere surviving. How, why, nobody really knows. Mastodons and Mammoths disappeared entirely, nobody really knows why. The saber tooth cat, etc, same deal.

Bacchus
01-17-2013, 09:32 PM
I like MacGruder you ****ers just need to leave him alone and let him educate you about things all you mongoloids no nothing about!! ****ing losers. :P

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 09:59 PM
I like MacGruder you ****ers just need to leave him alone and let him educate you about things all you mongoloids no nothing about!! ****ing losers. :P

"no nothing about"? I don't know what you were trying for there.

McDman
01-17-2013, 10:22 PM
This can't be real.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 10:42 PM
This can't be real.

What do you mean by saying that?

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 10:50 PM
Kirk Johnson coordinated this Snowmass dig. He was a big shot in Colorado, was the VP of the Denver Museum of Natural Science. He's been around, has all the credentials, now he's been appointed to the Smithsonian as the Director of Natural History.

The front range of Colorado has produced some excellent fossil finds, and all around ancient watering holes. Two in the last 50 years on the front range have come from private land owners trying to expand natural springs to make a reservoir. They dug and found bones, those springs were ancient watering holes that still existed.

McDman
01-17-2013, 10:52 PM
What do you mean by saying that?

I mean god damned McDoucher is back.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 11:01 PM
I mean god damned McDoucher is back.

He's been alright in this thread so no reason to pick on him here. Pick on him elsewhere.

broncocalijohn
01-17-2013, 11:50 PM
What the hell man, it is kind of interesting. Only a few archeaological sites like this exist, and here it is at about 9000 ft in Colorado discovered because they were expanding a reservoir for the Aspen ski resort.

Dang watering hole had been there for over 150,000 years. The same watering hole.

Camels were there, wolves as big as bears, bears 11 feet tall, mammoths, mastodons, sloths as big as grizzlies, all there in the clay.

I meant to say that I hate offseasons threads in January. Meaning we failed at not getting to the Super Bowl. Sorry about that. MacGruder part still stands.

MacGruder, obviously anti Gravity had a key in their deaths.

Chris
01-18-2013, 12:39 AM
Think about how many animals have existed on Earth... I wonder what percentage survive in some form to be found at a later date. It must be an incredibly minuscule number of animals. I think we underestimate how much history could just completely disappear and we have no record of it whatsoever. Entire eras could be literally wiped off the face of the Earth because of global catastrophes.

You are a global catastrophe that no one will remember :thumbs:

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 01:15 AM
I meant to say that I hate offseasons threads in January. Meaning we failed at not getting to the Super Bowl. Sorry about that. MacGruder part still stands.

MacGruder, obviously anti Gravity had a key in their deaths.

Don't we all regret that. Skoal, brotha. As Earl Campbell used to say. MacGruder has been fine in this thread though, no reason to attack him here.

Chris
01-18-2013, 01:23 AM
Don't we all regret that. Skoal, brotha. As Earl Campbell used to say. MacGruder has been fine in this thread though, no reason to attack him here.

That's like saying if carrot top walked into an ice cream shop he'd be cool.

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 01:32 AM
You are a global catastrophe that no one will remember :thumbs:

For the theme of this thread, you're on the hunt for MacGruder, same as just about everybody. MacGruder outrun you though. Kind of left you in the mud. You get the picture. Gonna have to chase him elsewhere.

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 01:39 AM
That's like saying if carrot top walked into an ice cream shop he'd be cool.

I do believe we've gone far away from the OP. Which wasn't all that great.

Nevertheless, it is amazing that watering holes that existed 150,000 years ago still exist today. We still depend on them.

Rohirrim
01-18-2013, 07:49 AM
You can poke around in the dirt up in the mountains and find seashell fossils. Neat, eh? :puff:

Chris
01-18-2013, 08:12 AM
How far are we for making Jrassic Park a reality? I know they wooly mammoths will probably be resurrected at some point before 2050.

Meck77
01-18-2013, 08:58 AM
Here's the Nova link:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/ice-age-death-trap.html

Kind of cool that was a watering hole for 150,000 years that still exists to this day. It was an existing reservoir that they wanted to expand.

My good friend Kirk Johnson led the dig. He worked for the Denver Museum for years. He recently landed the top job at the Smithsonian!

Went fishing with this dude down the Amazon years ago. He's as close to Indian Jones as America has! He's currently on a dig in Africa.

underrated29
01-18-2013, 09:12 AM
My good friend Kirk Johnson led the dig. He worked for the Denver Museum for years. He recently landed the top job at the Smithsonian!

Went fishing with this dude down the Amazon years ago. He's as close to Indian Jones as America has! He's currently on a dig in Africa.




You call him Dr. Jones!

Irish Stout
01-18-2013, 09:25 AM
How far are we for making Jrassic Park a reality? I know they wooly mammoths will probably be resurrected at some point before 2050.

Back in September they found a Wolly Mammoth in Siberia that was really really well preserved and talks were hot for a few weeks that they would try cloning it... then more quietly in October they announced they couldn't clone it because the DNA had been damaged by cold temperatures... the same cold temperatures that made it so well preserved.

What the hell is wrong with Prater? Someone should kick him.

Meck77
01-18-2013, 09:28 AM
The crew in Snowmass. That's Dr. Johnson. Front and center. Badass!

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Meck77
01-18-2013, 09:29 AM
The crew in Snowmass. That's Dr. Johnson. Front and center. Badass!

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Irish Stout
01-18-2013, 09:30 AM
My good friend Kirk Johnson led the dig. He worked for the Denver Museum for years. He recently landed the top job at the Smithsonian!

Went fishing with this dude down the Amazon years ago. He's as close to Indian Jones as America has! He's currently on a dig in Africa.

The Denver Museum of Nature and Science, though not as "exciting" as a lot of our other national museums, is often on the forefront of many great archaeological, paleontological, and astronomical explorations and discoveries. They also have some really cool adult programs, like their 3rd Thursday Adult Science Lounge where they combine boozing with learnings after the museum is closed. You can get great photos of Polar Bears and you drinking a margarita during these times. People in Denver looking for more activities should give these a adult science lounges a check out.

http://www.dmns.org/learn/adults/the-science-lounge/

Does anyone else think that there should be more focus on getting the NFL officiating under better control? Perhaps making every play challengeable? That **** last week was unacceptable.

Chris
01-18-2013, 09:33 AM
Back in September they found a Wolly Mammoth in Siberia that was really really well preserved and talks were hot for a few weeks that they would try cloning it... then more quietly in October they announced they couldn't clone it because the DNA had been damaged by cold temperatures... the same cold temperatures that made it so well preserved.

What the hell is wrong with Prater? Someone should kick him.

That's what I was referencing. How does cold damage DNA? Disappointing. I wonder if at some point we'll just "guess" / interpolate (if that's possible) and make these frankencreatures that we think are what the woolly mammoth was.

Meck77
01-18-2013, 09:35 AM
The Denver Museum of Nature and Science, though not as "exciting" as a lot of our other national museums, is often on the forefront of many great archaeological, paleontological, and astronomical explorations and discoveries. They also have some really cool adult programs, like their 3rd Thursday Adult Science Lounge where they combine boozing with learnings after the museum is closed. You can get great photos of Polar Bears and you drinking a margarita during these times. People in Denver looking for more activities should give these a adult science lounges a check out.


This is exactly the reason Kirk landed the job at the Natural History museum in DC. I just toured it a couple weeks ago. I thought the Smithsonian exhibits would be leading edge! Instead the museum was pretty bland and not very interactive at all. His budget is something like $80 million bucks though. He'll turn it around!

Chris
01-18-2013, 09:37 AM
Adult Science Lounge ftw. They throw some parties here in NY at the Museum of Natural History planetarium but you're never allowed to explore (at the Guggenheim you are which is cool but we're talking science).

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 01:05 PM
You can poke around in the dirt up in the mountains and find seashell fossils. Neat, eh? :puff:

It is kind of cool. The Dakota Ridge along the front range, it's limestone that got cracked and upheaved when the Rockies poked up and you can find old shells sometimes embedded in the limestone. Millions of years old. Pretty cool.

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 01:11 PM
My good friend Kirk Johnson led the dig. He worked for the Denver Museum for years. He recently landed the top job at the Smithsonian!

Went fishing with this dude down the Amazon years ago. He's as close to Indian Jones as America has! He's currently on a dig in Africa.

He struck me as a badass kind of guy from seeing him on some local programs. An academic, but a badass.

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 01:19 PM
There's a couple of natural springs I know of locally, what is interesting is they have a pulse. They don't just flow regularly, they pulse. One of them pulses in a weird kind of way. If you sit there long enough it pulses regularly for about 5 minutes, then it pauses for about 30 seconds, then a big gush, then back to the regular pulses. Then it just keeps repeating it. I was down at Chatfield fishing a couple years ago and the pond I was at just erupted, the whole dang pond was filled with bubbles from some kind of burp. Never seen it before, haven't seen it since. Just a burp. I love this kind of stuff, makes life interesting. I guess it's not that unusual since Yellowstone is only 400 miles away, but it sure does make life interesting here.

MacGruder
01-18-2013, 01:43 PM
There's a couple of natural springs I know of locally, what is interesting is they have a pulse. They don't just flow regularly, they pulse. One of them pulses in a weird kind of way. If you sit there long enough it pulses regularly for about 5 minutes, then it pauses for about 30 seconds, then a big gush, then back to the regular pulses. Then it just keeps repeating it. I was down at Chatfield fishing a couple years ago and the pond I was at just erupted, the whole dang pond was filled with bubbles from some kind of burp. Never seen it before, haven't seen it since. Just a burp. I love this kind of stuff, makes life interesting. I guess it's not that unusual since Yellowstone is only 400 miles away, but it sure does make life interesting here.

Keep in mind that everything in the universe is electrical... especially the sun and the planets. Then realize that water is a diamagnetic substance.

As for the bubbles... that could be scary..many of these lakes and ponds have gaseous emissions... there was an event not long ago where a whole town died from a huge gas emissions from a lake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos

broncosteven
01-18-2013, 01:44 PM
OT, but did anybody see this? It was a nice program, but they featured a really creepy old dude, Daniel Fisher.

That dude creeped me out. He's talking about "mass die-offs (smile), you can see how a whole Mastodon family died (smile), they all died right here (smile), you can see all their bones (smile), they all came here at one time and died (smile)"

I've been around some academics that loved their work, but this guy Daniel Fisher is creepy. Proctologist kind of creepy, but in an archaeological kind of way.

I saw it, I am a Nova junkie but I usually don't watch the archaeology shows much but I sat through this one, it was actually interesting. I think it was on last year and I skipped it then.

I liked the idea that the newer aged finds were from people storing the kills in the water to keep them preserved longer. It was interesting to see how long of a time all the bones were from.

I like the space stuff more. Really only watched it because in CO but it was well done and worth the watch.

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 01:58 PM
Keep in mind that everything in the universe is electrical... especially the sun and the planets. Then realize that water is a diamagnetic substance.

As for the bubbles... that could be scary..many of these lakes and ponds have gaseous emissions... there was an event not long ago where a whole town died from a huge gas emissions from a lake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos

Me and my fishing buddy didn't notice any weird smell. We were just kind of stunned to see that. Had the dog with us and she didn't do anything unusual. But yeah, in some places there is some toxic gases that escape. Not so much in North America, even Yellowstone.

Irish Stout
01-18-2013, 02:01 PM
Thanks for this thread. I am less likely to punch people after having reviewed this and thought about science. Science can't lie to you or kneel down with 31 seconds to go.

gunns
01-18-2013, 02:03 PM
Seismic activity over about a 150,000 year period. The watering hole was there for all that time, but there was seismic activity that caught some groups (smile) in liquefaction (smile) once every few thousand years (smile).

Sand liquefaction was the explanation, as a result of seismic activity.

That creeps me out. Where I live they say a sizeable earthquake would turn my area to sand. There would be no running from that.

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 02:12 PM
I saw it, I am a Nova junkie but I usually don't watch the archaeology shows much but I sat through this one, it was actually interesting. I think it was on last year and I skipped it then.

I liked the idea that the newer aged finds were from people storing the kills in the water to keep them preserved longer. It was interesting to see how long of a time all the bones were from.

I like the space stuff more. Really only watched it because in CO but it was well done and worth the watch.

Keeping the kills in the water also doesn't attract predators, I can see that as a survival strategy. Back in those days there was wolves galore, grizzlies, the humans weren't top of the heap, they were just trying to compete and survive.

Chris
01-18-2013, 02:34 PM
Thanks for this thread. I am less likely to punch people after having reviewed this and thought about science. Science can't lie to you or kneel down with 31 seconds to go.

Science can and does lie to us every day as funded by groups whose interest it is to have us believe one thing or not. There just isn't a significant interest in having us believe dinosaurs didn't exist.

Good science doesn't lie but finding it as pertains to many areas (health being the obvious) is an acquired skill.

broncosteven
01-18-2013, 03:02 PM
Thanks for this thread. I am less likely to punch people after having reviewed this and thought about science. Science can't lie to you or kneel down with 31 seconds to go.

Gene Kranz doesn't lie and he won't punch you in the gut unless you deserve it.

Cito Pelon
01-18-2013, 03:09 PM
That creeps me out. Where I live they say a sizeable earthquake would turn my area to sand. There would be no running from that.

Probably not. Keep your snowshoes and 2x12's handy I guess.