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Flex Gunmetal
01-17-2013, 12:45 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=8854037

socalorado
01-17-2013, 01:01 PM
I heard he was cheap...so this makes sense.

TheReverend
01-17-2013, 01:04 PM
beliedat

Kaylore
01-17-2013, 01:07 PM
I heard he was cheap...so this makes sense.

He's free! Good hire for the Chargers. Get ready for more running and some pretty creative trick plays.

Flex Gunmetal
01-17-2013, 01:11 PM
beliedat

And u know dis.

spiralism
01-17-2013, 01:12 PM
Way to go Fox and Elway. Instead of adding him to our staff, we've let a rival strengthen. smh

Kaylore
01-17-2013, 01:20 PM
Way to go Fox and Elway. Instead of adding him to our staff, we've let a rival strengthen. smh

Elway should hire every coach who is available and pay them not to work anywhere.

Black96WS6
01-17-2013, 01:23 PM
Man...Ron Wolf, Tom Telesco, McCoy, now Whiz...Chargers are serious about getting back on top...

hehe Chargers just took a Whiz...lol I will not get tired of that ;)

boltaneer
01-17-2013, 01:28 PM
Love this hire.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-17-2013, 01:32 PM
Elway should hire every coach who is available and pay them not to work anywhere.

Seriously. Some people just live to criticize! But he's right, we should have hired the guy we didn't want just so someone else can get him. That makes PERFECT sense.

Why is Whiz the better hire than Gase? Because someone with limited knowledge of football and zero knowledge of the inner workings of the Broncos says so. They simply think "well, Coach A has been a head coach, therefore he has more value, even if his team last year was a steaming pile of poo. Coach B has never been a coordinator, so that means he's incapable of the job, and defies the logic that every good head coach has to climb a ladder at some point."

go_broncos
01-17-2013, 01:42 PM
The problem with Gase is that he will listen whatever Fox says.
Fox being conservative coach will do the same mistakes that he did in his entire career.
There's a reason why panthers fired him..He was stuck with jake delhomme.
for him..there is no difference between Jake and manning.
He will not allow the QB to throw the ball if we need a first down to win the game.
He is a scared coach.

Coaches like fox, marty and even Norv will lose close playoff games.
His conservative approach will always keep opposition in the game.
Should have hired an experienced coach that can challenge fox decision making.

Rohirrim
01-17-2013, 01:47 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg3l7bKEm31qbdbg3.gif

TheReverend
01-17-2013, 01:50 PM
Elway should hire every coach who is available and pay them not to work anywhere.

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/snyder-jones.jpg

"...wait a second, this guy's onto something..."

razorwire77
01-17-2013, 01:53 PM
Whiz is a decent hire. McCoy? The jury is still out. The way Whiz runs the ball, Ryan Matthews will probably last 5 quarters before he gets hurt.

boltaneer
01-17-2013, 02:03 PM
Whiz is a decent hire. McCoy? The jury is still out. The way Whiz runs the ball, Ryan Matthews will probably last 5 quarters before he gets hurt.

Hmm, you're right.

Time to start a petition to bring Norv back...

DarkHorse30
01-17-2013, 02:10 PM
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Heyneck
01-17-2013, 02:22 PM
Way to go Fox and Elway. Instead of adding him to our staff, we've let a rival strengthen. smh

STFU... if all goes according to plan, he will be Bolting them next season for a HC gig.

Heyneck
01-17-2013, 02:25 PM
The problem with Gase is that he will listen whatever Fox says.
Fox being conservative coach will do the same mistakes that he did in his entire career.
There's a reason why panthers fired him..He was stuck with jake delhomme.
for him..there is no difference between Jake and manning.
He will not allow the QB to throw the ball if we need a first down to win the game.
He is a scared coach.

Coaches like fox, marty and even Norv will lose close playoff games.
His conservative approach will always keep opposition in the game.
Should have hired an experienced coach that can challenge fox decision making.

Seriously... STFU. You are clueless!

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-17-2013, 02:29 PM
Hmm, you're right.

Time to start a petition to bring Norv back...

Good point.

Charger 2013 > chargers with Norv.

Heyneck
01-17-2013, 02:31 PM
Love all the hate and venom still going around here. Can't believe people can't look at our situation and feel confident for the next 2-3 years. I for one apreciate the AFC WEST getting better in theory. Tiered of being labeled the worst division in football (like worst than the NFC WEST).

Time of some epic battles with our old foes! GO BRONCOS!!!

UberBroncoMan
01-17-2013, 02:46 PM
Love all the hate and venom still going around here. Can't believe people can't look at our situation and feel confident for the next 2-3 years. I for one apreciate the AFC WEST getting better in theory. Tiered of being labeled the worst division in football (like worst than the NFC WEST).

Time of some epic battles with our old foes! GO BRONCOS!!!

Funny thing is, the NFC West and now AFC West are becoming two of the best divisions in football.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-17-2013, 02:51 PM
Meanwhile the patriots take advantage of a crappy division every year. Id rather keep the other 3 teams a revolving door of filth.

Ratboy
01-17-2013, 03:17 PM
Sucks! I was hoping we would get him, but it sounds like we were really never even close to hiring him.

Probably will get Tom Moore.

Edit:

Didn't read the news about Gase.

go_broncos
01-17-2013, 03:21 PM
Seriously... STFU. You are clueless!

John fox is clueless..not me

Heyneck
01-17-2013, 03:28 PM
John fox is clueless..not me

So true! But don't act like you didn't know what we where getting when Fox signed. He is a DEFENSIVE coach, a coach that actually calls a punt a good play. He is who he is. A great conservative HC. What he has managed to do after 3 straight years without playoffs under Shanny, 1 1/2 atrocious years under McD, to get back to back division titles in his first 2 years is amazing.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2013, 03:41 PM
IIRC, Fox is now in the last year of his contract.

ludo21
01-17-2013, 03:44 PM
can he make rivers remember that he is a top 10 QB?? I bet he will. Now let's see if that _efense can make up some ground

Chris
01-17-2013, 03:51 PM
Am I crazy to think that having a stronger division might actually make our team tougher?

R8R H8R
01-17-2013, 07:03 PM
Am I crazy to think that having a stronger division might actually make our team tougher?

No, you are not. A more competitive division will only make everyone in the org. To work harder. There would be no room for complacency.

nyuk nyuk
01-17-2013, 08:39 PM
Whisenhunt must have really swallowed his pride to go be an OC for a new guy with no previous HC experience. Ouch.

boltaneer
01-17-2013, 10:32 PM
Whisenhunt must have really swallowed his pride to go be an OC for a new guy with no previous HC experience. Ouch.

I don't think it's that at all.

Whisenhunt said today that he knows McCoy (I don't recall how he said they knew each other) but apparently they're friends.

I think this is more about taking the best opportunity available and also proving himself again by getting San Diego's offense and Rivers going again. A head coaching opportunity will probably present itself again.

ZONA
01-17-2013, 10:43 PM
Hopefully he'll bring Russ Grimm with him to Sandyeggo. The Cards offensive line was a thing of beauty.......

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/james-franco-wink.gif

Boltjolt
01-17-2013, 10:51 PM
Hopefully he'll bring Russ Grimm with him to Sandyeggo. The Cards offensive line was a thing of beauty.......

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/james-franco-wink.gif

Our OL is already a thing of beauty.

Hopefully Telesco values offensive lineman a lot higher than AJ Smith did.

R8R H8R
01-17-2013, 10:54 PM
I don't think it's that at all.

Whisenhunt said today that he knows McCoy (I don't recall how he said they knew each other) but apparently they're friends.

I think this is more about taking the best opportunity available and also proving himself again by getting San Diego's offense and Rivers going again. A head coaching opportunity will probably present itself again.

Far be it for me to agree with a charger fan, but that's how I see it. He probably sees very little career upside in coaching Manning. It's a given that a PM coach will likely be successfull. But if you resurrect Rivers career, now that would really look good on a resume.

Boltjolt
01-17-2013, 11:50 PM
Far be it for me to agree with a charger fan, but that's how I see it. He probably sees very little career upside in coaching Manning. It's a given that a PM coach will likely be successfull. But if you resurrect Rivers career, now that would really look good on a resume.

Rivers just needs a better OL and he will be better just from that. I don't believe he needs to be resurrected.

R8R H8R
01-18-2013, 12:27 AM
Rivers just needs a better OL and he will be better just from that. I don't believe he needs to be resurrected.

Yes he does. The OL doesn't make bad decisions and turn the ball over like Rivers has the last couple of years. A good OL will help, but if wants to be relevant again, he needs to step it up.

broncocalijohn
01-18-2013, 12:42 AM
I don't think it's that at all.

Whisenhunt said today that he knows McCoy (I don't recall how he said they knew each other) but apparently they're friends.

I think this is more about taking the best opportunity available and also proving himself again by getting San Diego's offense and Rivers going again. A head coaching opportunity will probably present itself again.

Then you better get some wide receivers worth a damn because he doesn't have a Fitzgerald. He didnt do anything with Fitz and the **** Stains as wide outs so how is he going to do anything with the Royal Crapolas at the Gates of Hell?

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BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2013, 12:58 AM
Way to go Fox and Elway. Instead of adding him to our staff, we've let a rival strengthen. smh

While I am not a big fan of Gase as the OC. It makes sense to make him the OC. no changes to the offense and the chemistry can continue to build instead of starting from square one with a new offense

Durango
01-18-2013, 02:03 AM
The problem with Gase is that he will listen whatever Fox says.
Fox being conservative coach will do the same mistakes that he did in his entire career.
There's a reason why panthers fired him..He was stuck with jake delhomme.
for him..there is no difference between Jake and manning.
He will not allow the QB to throw the ball if we need a first down to win the game.
He is a scared coach.

Coaches like fox, marty and even Norv will lose close playoff games.
His conservative approach will always keep opposition in the game.
Should have hired an experienced coach that can challenge fox decision making.

Take a cold shower man. I think you've burned out a fuse.

boltaneer
01-18-2013, 03:25 AM
Then you better get some wide receivers worth a damn because he doesn't have a Fitzgerald. He didnt do anything with Fitz and the **** Stains as wide outs so how is he going to do anything with the Royal Crapolas at the Gates of Hell?

Of course Fitz struggled last year. Arizona's o-line was just as bad as the Chargers and look at the sad sacks they had at QB last year.

O-line, cornerback and running back are the biggest needs for the Chargers so if I had to guess, they're going to focus on those before thinking about recievers.

I think McCoy and Wisenhunt can figure out how to use Meachem and Royal better than Norv did. I think just about anyone could do better than Norv in that department. Vincent Brown and Floyd will be back as well. And Spurlock really surprised everyone playing slot towards the end of the year. While that isn't a scary group of receivers, there's enough talent there to do well if they're used properly. Building up the o-line and running game is far more important though.

BTW, to the other poster above, Russ Grimm is a pretty well respected o-line coach and I wouldn't mind him coming here. The Cardinals o-line was just completely void of talent last year, just like the Chargers o-line was.

rmsanger
01-18-2013, 04:36 AM
I heard he was cheap...so this makes sense.

What is his going nightly rate?

Black96WS6
01-18-2013, 11:44 AM
Of course Fitz struggled last year. Arizona's o-line was just as bad as the Chargers and look at the sad sacks they had at QB last year.

O-line, cornerback and running back are the biggest needs for the Chargers so if I had to guess, they're going to focus on those before thinking about recievers.

I think McCoy and Wisenhunt can figure out how to use Meachem and Royal better than Norv did. I think just about anyone could do better than Norv in that department. Vincent Brown and Floyd will be back as well. And Spurlock really surprised everyone playing slot towards the end of the year. While that isn't a scary group of receivers, there's enough talent there to do well if they're used properly. Building up the o-line and running game is far more important though.

BTW, to the other poster above, Russ Grimm is a pretty well respected o-line coach and I wouldn't mind him coming here. The Cardinals o-line was just completely void of talent last year, just like the Chargers o-line was.

Don't forget about Alexander, guy looked like the find of the year towards the end there...

boltaneer
01-18-2013, 11:49 AM
Don't forget about Alexander, guy looked like the find of the year towards the end there...

Wow, how could I forget about him? lol

I think all the recent moves by the Chargers have me too exited. :sunshine:

ZONA
01-18-2013, 11:57 AM
Of course Fitz struggled last year. Arizona's o-line was just as bad as the Chargers and look at the sad sacks they had at QB last year.

O-line, cornerback and running back are the biggest needs for the Chargers so if I had to guess, they're going to focus on those before thinking about recievers.

I think McCoy and Wisenhunt can figure out how to use Meachem and Royal better than Norv did. I think just about anyone could do better than Norv in that department. Vincent Brown and Floyd will be back as well. And Spurlock really surprised everyone playing slot towards the end of the year. While that isn't a scary group of receivers, there's enough talent there to do well if they're used properly. Building up the o-line and running game is far more important though.

BTW, to the other poster above, Russ Grimm is a pretty well respected o-line coach and I wouldn't mind him coming here. The Cardinals o-line was just completely void of talent last year, just like the Chargers o-line was.

I've followed the Cards almost as closely as I have my Broncos. I hear the daily sports radio here in phoenix and they go over this team almost every day. The Cards have used high draft picks for that o-line and have brought in FA's. And there's not 1 player on that line that looks to be improved since he was brought in. If you're saying Grimm can coach a probowl type offensive linemen, then ok, I can go there. But this dude is not going to help improve these players and as a unit they're not all that either. He's very highly over rated. He's been Wiz's bitch almost his entire coaching career. I don't think you will see anybody pick him up this year, which should tell you something about him. He was a great player but, as we found out with many more like Singletary, not a great coach, at all. But if you want him, I will be MORE then happy to see him as your OL coach.

Kaylore
01-18-2013, 11:59 AM
I don't think it's that at all.

Whisenhunt said today that he knows McCoy (I don't recall how he said they knew each other) but apparently they're friends.

I think this is more about taking the best opportunity available and also proving himself again by getting San Diego's offense and Rivers going again. A head coaching opportunity will probably present itself again.

Yeah you're an OC that needs to find a job. You know how you perform will affect how you are considered for other positions going forward. So far he has interviewed for the team that has Manning and Rivers - two QB's who have shown they can be at least decent. The Philly interview was for a head coaching position, which most coaches will accept crappier circumstances for if it means the pay grade and prestige bump.

boltaneer
01-18-2013, 12:17 PM
I've followed the Cards almost as closely as I have my Broncos. I hear the daily sports radio here in phoenix and they go over this team almost every day. The Cards have used high draft picks for that o-line and have brought in FA's. And there's not 1 player on that line that looks to be improved since he was brought in. If you're saying Grimm can coach a probowl type offensive linemen, then ok, I can go there. But this dude is not going to help improve these players and as a unit they're not all that either. He's very highly over rated. He's been Wiz's b**** almost his entire coaching career. I don't think you will see anybody pick him up this year, which should tell you something about him. He was a great player but, as we found out with many more like Singletary, not a great coach, at all. But if you want him, I will be MORE then happy to see him as your OL coach.

Who are these high draft picks you speak of?

2012 4 112 Bobby Massie
2012 5 151 Senio Kelemete
2012 7 221 Nate Potter

2011 NONE

2010 NONE

2009 5 167 Herman Johnson
2009 7 254 Trevor Canfield

2008 7 225 Brandon Keith

2007 1 5 Levi Brown

2006 2 41 Deuce Lutui

Look at their o-line roster. It's full of journeymen and nobodies. The only guy even worth mentioning is Levi Brown and he's not all that.

They've ignored their o-line just like the Chargers have and it's no surprise that those two have the worst o-lines in the league. And it's also no surprise their GM and AJ Smith both got run out of town.

Heyneck
01-18-2013, 12:24 PM
Rivers just needs a better OL and he will be better just from that. I don't believe he needs to be resurrected.

Rivers needs a WR like Jackson. A WR that answer his prayers. But seriously, I hated how Rivers would usually throw a desperate ugly long pass only to see Jackson snatch it. He missed Jackson, and any SD fan that still thinks they have a similar player in Meechum (or however you write it) is loco.

Yo guys really need talent a the skill position. Floyd is the only descent WR you guys have. Eddie Royal is not the player we or you guys thought to be. And Meechum or whatever is a one trick pony. The long ball. Only difference, he has to be wide open because he lacks the ability to go up and fight for the ball. And as for Gates, I really think he is in his last legs. I think the injuries have taken it's toll.

And lets not even talk about him not being the same since Sproles left. Him checking down to sproles and getting huge gains while people acted like Rivers had just made the best play,... no, that was all Sproles buddy!

Rivers needs way more help than OL. I would not be surprised going for a QB in the mid rounds for grooming. Even taking one high in the draft in the next 2 years.

Captain 'Dre
01-18-2013, 05:38 PM
Yes he does. The OL doesn't make bad decisions and turn the ball over like Rivers has the last couple of years. A good OL will help, but if wants to be relevant again, he needs to step it up.

Rivers had, like, 1 INT in the final six games of the season.

I think the "poor decision making" thing has largely been corrected.

But without a decent O-line, San Diego won't be able to run, and if they can't run, defenses will simply sit on the pass.

Unless Rivers has a pocket to step up into, he'll underthrow the ball, which looks like poor arm strength and lousy decision making. But really, it's more the absense of a pocket, and all the hits, hurries and sacks he's had to endure.

Xenos
01-19-2013, 01:04 AM
Rivers needs a WR like Jackson. A WR that answer his prayers. But seriously, I hated how Rivers would usually throw a desperate ugly long pass only to see Jackson snatch it. He missed Jackson, and any SD fan that still thinks they have a similar player in Meechum (or however you write it) is loco.

Yo guys really need talent a the skill position. Floyd is the only descent WR you guys have. Eddie Royal is not the player we or you guys thought to be. And Meechum or whatever is a one trick pony. The long ball. Only difference, he has to be wide open because he lacks the ability to go up and fight for the ball. And as for Gates, I really think he is in his last legs. I think the injuries have taken it's toll.

And lets not even talk about him not being the same since Sproles left. Him checking down to sproles and getting huge gains while people acted like Rivers had just made the best play,... no, that was all Sproles buddy!

Rivers needs way more help than OL. I would not be surprised going for a QB in the mid rounds for grooming. Even taking one high in the draft in the next 2 years.
Except that he did fine without Jackson in 2010. Rivers doesn't need a great line or even a good line. He just needs decent line and he can do well. If he can step up in the pocket then guys like Alexander and Floyd become more dangerous.

400HZ
01-19-2013, 03:48 PM
Every facet of the Chargers offense was negatively impacted by the dysfunctional offensive line situation last year. Once Meachem got benched, the receiving group actually played pretty well I thought. Danario Alexander had 658 yards and 7 touchdowns in the 9 games he played. Vincent Brown was our best WR in the preseason before he broke his ankle. Malcolm Floyd is a solid #2. It's not a bad group. It's just tough to have a consistent passing game when the quarterback is getting teed off on 3 seconds after the ball is snapped.

ZONA
01-19-2013, 06:48 PM
Who are these high draft picks you speak of?

2012 4 112 Bobby Massie
2012 5 151 Senio Kelemete
2012 7 221 Nate Potter

2011 NONE

2010 NONE

2009 5 167 Herman Johnson
2009 7 254 Trevor Canfield

2008 7 225 Brandon Keith

2007 1 5 Levi Brown

2006 2 41 Deuce Lutui

Look at their o-line roster. It's full of journeymen and nobodies. The only guy even worth mentioning is Levi Brown and he's not all that.

They've ignored their o-line just like the Chargers have and it's no surprise that those two have the worst o-lines in the league. And it's also no surprise their GM and AJ Smith both got run out of town.

A first and second round pick is considered a high pick. It's my opinion that a great coach can improve his players ability and performances and can get more out of players then somebody else was able to do. The fact that the Cards have probably the worst OL in the league tells me, yes, they don't have very good players on their line, but their line coaching isn't fabulous either. Take a coach like Bobby Turner for example, how is it that this guy can take very low round picks such as Terrell Davis, Orlandis Gary, Alfred Morris, Mike Anderson, etc, and get so much out of these guys. Because he's a great coach who knows how to improve his players. I don't think Russ Grimm does that.