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El Minion
01-16-2013, 09:14 AM
Chip Kelly new eagles coach. Glad to see him leave the PAC-12, but eagles really have a coup here.

Beantown Bronco
01-16-2013, 09:15 AM
Must've backed up the Brinks truck to make that happen.

BroncoInferno
01-16-2013, 09:15 AM
This guy's another Bobby Petrino. Doesn't look like you can take him at his word.

2KBack
01-16-2013, 09:16 AM
I'm glad to see him out of the Pac-12 though

swaiy
01-16-2013, 09:17 AM
****

Hulamau
01-16-2013, 09:20 AM
I think that means Wiesenhunt is the likely front runner for our OC job .. the Cardinals are certainly not going to rehire him as HC!

Tombstone RJ
01-16-2013, 09:22 AM
I wonder what this means for Vick. I think Vick can thrive in a Kelly offense.

El Minion
01-16-2013, 09:22 AM
Reports: Eagles hire Chip Kelly as new head coach (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/report-eagles-hire-chip-kelly-as-new-head-coach/)

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 16, 2013, 12:07 PM EST

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In a stunning and unexpected reversal, Oregon head coach Chip Kelly has reportedly agreed to become the new head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.

ESPNís Chris Mortensen reported on Wednesday that Kelly had taken the job. Neither the Eagles nor Oregon has confirmed the news, but several reports have since confirmed that Kelly has accepted the Eaglesí offer.

Although Kelly was the NFLís hottest coaching candidate this year, he insisted after meeting with the Eagles and Browns that he would stay at Oregon and wouldnít listen to any more NFL job offers this year. Apparently he changed his mind.

Kelly is one of the most respected coaches in college football, having led Oregon to BCS bowl games in each of his four seasons as the schoolís head coach. But Kelly has an unconventional approach to the game that hasnít before been seen in the NFL, and not everyone thinks his methods will work at the next level.

Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie didnít make any secret of the fact that he wanted Kelly and wanted him badly. It took a lot of work, but apparently he got his man.

SouthStndJunkie
01-16-2013, 09:26 AM
The old adage about college coaches is true:

How do you know when a college football coach is lying?

When he's moving his lips.

They are modern day snake oil salesmen that lie as much as politicians.

MABroncoFan
01-16-2013, 09:27 AM
Unless Whiz goes to Jax, OC is his best option probably

ScottXray
01-16-2013, 09:34 AM
I wonder what this means for Vick. I think Vick can thrive in a Kelly offense.

Agree , Kelly needs this kind of QB for his Offense. Has Vick in place, although Vick will have to restructure.

Kelly now has to deal with something he didn't in college...a salary cap and a 53 man roster!

He is a good coach but look for him to have 2-3 years of adjusting before he gets any good PRO system in place that works. And he will need a damn good Defensive coordinator, the side of the game he hasn't been the best at.

This is bad for the Ducks recruiting, but as long as Phil Knight is throwing his money at that program they will bring in a top flight replacement. It does screw them up short term, but they will still be a top team next year. He leaves a lot of young talent there.

NFLBRONCO
01-16-2013, 09:34 AM
The old adage about college coaches is true:

How do you know when a college football coach is lying?

When he's moving his lips.

They are modern day snake oil salesmen that lie as much as politicians.

^

This plus Oregon must be going to get hammered with sanctions.

ludo21
01-16-2013, 09:35 AM
I wonder what this means for Vick. I think Vick can thrive in a Kelly offense.

ya, it will be fun to watch thats for sure

SonOfLe-loLang
01-16-2013, 09:35 AM
Wow...good for him. That'll be fun to watch in the pro game

24champ
01-16-2013, 09:36 AM
Glad to see him gone from the PAC-12.

Pac-12 race will be wide open next season with Stanford being the favorites again.

Heyneck
01-16-2013, 09:36 AM
I think the **** is about to hit the fan at Oregon, penalties are coming. He realized this and drained the most he can out of the Eagles.

TonyR
01-16-2013, 09:51 AM
Looks like something of a desperation move to me. They just had Gus Bradley, who appeared to be their guy, in for a 2nd interview yesterday and he left town without a deal and is talking to Jacksonville today.

Maybe this will work out, but it also has the potential to be a huge disaster.

Rohirrim
01-16-2013, 09:55 AM
This means Vick will be taking some more big hits.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/31466350.jpg

Tombstone RJ
01-16-2013, 10:01 AM
Looks like something of a desperation move to me. They just had Gus Bradley, who appeared to be their guy, in for a 2nd interview yesterday and he left town without a deal and is talking to Jacksonville today.

Maybe this will work out, but it also has the potential to be a huge disaster.

I think it's an excellent move by Laurie, who is one of the better owners in the NFL IMHO. This is what I think is happening: Laurie sees teams like Washington and Seattle being very successful with QBs who are somewhat unconventional. The Eagles have Vick, a QB who has proven he can pass the ball (I still say he has the best arm in the NFL). Laurie sees an opportunity to capitalize on Vick's potential and he sees Kelly as the coach to do this. JMHO of course.

R8R H8R
01-16-2013, 10:14 AM
Unless Whiz goes to Jax, OC is his best option probably

Problem for him and them is that they don't have a QB either.

TonyR
01-16-2013, 10:20 AM
I think it's an excellent move by Laurie, who is one of the better owners in the NFL IMHO. This is what I think is happening: Laurie sees teams like Washington and Seattle being very successful with QBs who are somewhat unconventional. The Eagles have Vick, a QB who has proven he can pass the ball (I still say he has the best arm in the NFL). Laurie sees an opportunity to capitalize on Vick's potential and he sees Kelly as the coach to do this. JMHO of course.

I don't know. Vick has proven over and over again to be a bad decision maker, a turnover machine, and injury prone. I suppose it's possible, but I almost think it's more likely they either adjust Kelly's system for Nick Foles or try to bring in somebody else at QB. If they keep Vick they have to pay him $15.5 million in 2013! Contract details below:

8/29/2011: Signed a six-year, $100 million contract. The deal contains $32.5 million guaranteed, including a $7 million signing bonus and all of Vick's first- and second-year base salaries and $3 million of his 2013 salary (for injury only). The sixth year voids if Vick participates in 35% of the Eagles' offensive snaps in any of the first five seasons, making the contract more realistically worth $80 million over five years. Another $3 million is available through incentives based on Super Bowl wins in 2011 and 2012, and playing time (77.5% of the regular season snaps). 2013: $15.5 million, 2014: $12.5 million (+ $3 million roster bonus), 2015: $14.5 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2016: $20 million (Dummy Year), 2017: Free Agent http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2107/michael-vick

Tombstone RJ
01-16-2013, 10:26 AM
I don't know. Vick has proven over and over again to be a bad decision maker, a turnover machine, and injury prone. I suppose it's possible, but I almost think it's more likely they either adjust Kelly's system for Nick Foles or try to bring in somebody else at QB. If they keep Vick they have to pay him $15.5 million in 2013! Contract details below:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2107/michael-vick

Yes, Vick's contract is out of control but I think Vick is smart enough to know that his chances of being the #1QB on another team are dwindling rapidly so he will probably restructure. The pistol offense can be run with Nick Foles too. Look what Shanny did with Cousins when RG3 went down. I think Kelly would love the opportunity to work with Vick and vice versa, but this is pure speculation on my part.

KState ran the pistol offense with a big, tall white kid too.

Jay3
01-16-2013, 10:31 AM
By the powers of Grayskull, I call "TEBOW THREAD!"

TonyR
01-16-2013, 10:39 AM
KState ran the pistol offense with a big, tall white kid too.

Collin Klein ran for 920 yards, second leading rusher on the team. Nick Foles is no Klein.

Tombstone RJ
01-16-2013, 01:18 PM
Collin Klein ran for 920 yards, second leading rusher on the team. Nick Foles is no Klein.

I didn't watch Nick Foles in college so I have no idea if he can run the pistol or not but he's not known for his mobility so probably not. However Cousins did ok in a pistol offense not necessarily catering to his strengths so who knows? I guess Kelly will have to decide which QB he wants or if he wants to draft another guy.

TonyR
01-16-2013, 01:25 PM
I just think they're taking a massive risk. Can't deny the potential upside I suppose. Belichick studied Kelly's offense, for example, and they're using some concepts from it this year. Which I guess proves you don't have to have a mobile QB to run some of the concepts. But, then, they have Tom ****ing Brady...

RedskinBronco
01-16-2013, 05:07 PM
damn i think that will turn out to be a good hire for the iggles

Lestat
01-16-2013, 05:21 PM
his staff selection will be key. especially his defensive coordinator.

Bronco Yoda
01-16-2013, 05:53 PM
This will be real interesting to watch how this works out. Will Vick restructure? No way do you pay him more than half that IMO.

KipCorrington25
01-16-2013, 06:11 PM
http://frathousesports.com/wp-content/uploads/Chip-Kelly-Chris-Farley.jpg

Cito Pelon
01-16-2013, 06:25 PM
I can't think of another NFL head coach in recent history that has a kid's kickname like "Chip".

TonyR
01-16-2013, 06:46 PM
...he has run a system that, while hot right now in the NFL, defensive coaches will adjust to this offseason. The pistol and the read option are fads that won't last because the quarterbacks are put at too much risk.

"Just because it's been a year and a half doesn't mean it's going to become the wave of the NFL," one NFL head coach told me recently. "I don't think that's going to happen. It's about those guys that can swing that ball down the field, really about spacing and throwing the ball. It travels a lot faster in the air 40 yards than it does on feet."

Kelly's Oregon teams have played at breakneck speed and befuddled even one of the best defensive minds in the game, Monte Kiffin, but the Ducks never won a national championship. They went 2-2 in bowl games. They couldn't beat Stanford this year.

And let's face it: College coaches who jump to the NFL rarely cut it. The past is littered with flameouts -- Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino and Nick Saban to name a few.

A college coach in a pro town with an extremely knowledgeable and demanding fan base bathed in history? Lurie and Roseman better be right.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8849067/chip-kelly-roll-dice-philadelphia-eagles

TonyR
01-16-2013, 07:08 PM
Bartlett likes the hire. Good read.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/gut-reaction-chip-kelly-to-the-eagles

MacGruder
01-16-2013, 07:23 PM
Why can't these NFL geniuses understand that having a QB that has mobility PROTECTS them in the pocket too because teams don't want to attack them allowing them to scramble.

Sure.. defenses will adjust to these mobile QBs and the option.. but guess what.. then the mobile QBs will adjust again to the defenses. Just like ANY offense. It's just about diversity. How can NFL people not understand that diversity makes your offense better. Look at Belichick.. he runs an unconventional offense constantly... teams figure it out and he changes again.

Rohirrim
01-16-2013, 07:25 PM
Why can't these NFL geniuses understand that having a QB that has mobility PROTECTS them in the pocket too because teams don't want to attack them allowing them to scramble.

Sure.. defenses will adjust to these mobile QBs and the option.. but guess what.. then the mobile QBs will adjust again to the defenses. Just like ANY offense. It's just about diversity. How can NFL people not understand that diversity makes your offense better. Look at Belichick.. he runs an unconventional offense constantly... teams figure it out and he changes again.

Yep. The NFL is prejudiced against mobile QBs like Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, RGIII, etc. etc. etc.

MacGruder
01-16-2013, 07:32 PM
Also there was another piece where Kelly said he didn't run the ball up the middle with his QB because guys like Tebow don't grow on trees... he sounded like he would gladly take Tebow if he had the chance. But this was in college. Who knows what his plans are in the NFL. He will likely be afraid to do anything he would get blamed for if it didn't work like most NFL people(Elway,cough cough).

MacGruder
01-16-2013, 07:34 PM
Yep. The NFL is prejudiced against mobile QBs like Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, RGIII, etc. etc. etc.

2 of them weren't first round picks.. so I don't understand what your point is. And Tebow got benched behind the gods Orton and Sanchez. lol

Rohirrim
01-16-2013, 07:45 PM
2 of them weren't first round picks.. so I don't understand what your point is. And Tebow got benched behind the gods Orton and Sanchez. lol

Well, at least he was able to beat them out on STs. ;D

Lestat
01-16-2013, 08:22 PM
the NFL isn't biased against mobile QB's. most mobile QB's are more runners than QB's.
it's rare to find a Vick,Newton,RGIII,Kaepernick,Wilson, even Luck is a pretty mobile QB.
but they're all passers first and runners as a extra benefit.

i've said it before and i'll say it again, the running and guts can't be the primary for a successful NFL QB. you have to be good at playing the position and then have extra complimentary attributes.

extralife
01-16-2013, 08:25 PM
in true college coach fashion, he first had to declare that he wasn't going anywhere. once that formality was out of the way, he was free to make sure we all knew he was a liar. probably didn't feel good about himself until he got that one out of the way.

MacGruder
01-16-2013, 08:34 PM
the NFL isn't biased against mobile QB's. most mobile QB's are more runners than QB's.
it's rare to find a Vick,Newton,RGIII,Kaepernick,Wilson, even Luck is a pretty mobile QB.
but they're all passers first and runners as a extra benefit.

i've said it before and i'll say it again, the running and guts can't be the primary for a successful NFL QB. you have to be good at playing the position and then have extra complimentary attributes.


Define "good" though.. I think people are way too quick to determine if someone is NFL caliber. Tebow was so dominant physically he didn't have to refine his game to dominate.

Does that mean he couldn't though?

This is why I think everyone is nuts to jump to conclusions with him, especially, and many of these athletic QBs. Especially if they have the kind of work ethic and competitive drive Tebow does. You can teach the other things.. you can't teach great intangibles.

Now, if Tebow had been playing in a pro style offense for 4 years of college and all through his development and didn't dominate and didn't have NFL fundamentals then I could see the point... but Tebow hasn't even scratched the surface of what he is capable of yet.

Lestat
01-16-2013, 09:53 PM
Define "good" though.. I think people are way too quick to determine if someone is NFL caliber. Tebow was so dominant physically he didn't have to refine his game to dominate.

Does that mean he couldn't though?

This is why I think everyone is nuts to jump to conclusions with him, especially, and many of these athletic QBs. Especially if they have the kind of work ethic and competitive drive Tebow does. You can teach the other things.. you can't teach great intangibles.

Now, if Tebow had been playing in a pro style offense for 4 years of college and all through his development and didn't dominate and didn't have NFL fundamentals then I could see the point... but Tebow hasn't even scratched the surface of what he is capable of yet.

Tebow could have played in a pro-style offense in college, he went to Florida because he loved Meyer's system and felt it fit him perfectly.
when they did bring in a pro-style a pro-style QB coach he couldn't help him refine his skills at all.

people are instinctual, their instincts rarely if ever changed and when put in a corner they always revert back to what is natural to them.
Tebow cannot handle a complex offensive system and be more of a traditional QB. he's been in the league three years and despite his protests that he only ran the system he was asked to do he has not improved his QB skills.

his pocket presence is horrid, his throwing motion is horrendous, his timing and rhythm throwing is just laughable and instead of getting a QB guru and breaking himself down and building it up from scratch he continues to be the same old Tebow that played at Florida. that worked at Florida, not going to work over the long term in the NFL when team know exactly what you can't do and stop you.

MacGruder
01-17-2013, 12:47 AM
Tebow could have played in a pro-style offense in college, he went to Florida because he loved Meyer's system and felt it fit him perfectly.

If you watch the special on Tebow in highschool you see that he wanted to go to Alabama as much if not more than Florida. I think this is why the decision was so difficult. He knew that by going to Florida and not learning a pro style, which he never had experience with, that he would have to go through this now. I think if his family didn't go to Florida he would have went to Bama and gotten pro training from Mike Shula. Though at this time Alex Smith had gone #1 and hadn't been deemed a bust yet either. Also note that Mike Shula was Cam Newton's QB coach the past 2 seasons.. so we get an idea what he could have done for Tebow especially with Tebow's work ethic.


when they did bring in a pro-style a pro-style QB coach he couldn't help him refine his skills at all.

Urban Meyer prevented Loeffler from making drastic changes.. he said "don't screw him up" And you could tell Loeffler was terrified of doing that. They were competing for a championship that year. But also remember that the Gatoprs had a weak running game. They had a weak running game around Tebow his entire time there. They were explosive but finesse. It was Tebow's between the tackles running that opened things for them and his receivers. People don't realize it but Tebow had a weak line and runner compared to Cam at Auburn... Auburn was ideally suited for a run first QB. This was why Flordia let Cam go. That run game opened his passing. The Gators were the opposite. Teams dared the Gators to run rather than pass because their run game was weak and it allowed them to hit Tebow more and slow their passing game. This is why Tebow could not run a pro style in the SEC... impossible to do with a soft running game and weak oline. This is why he would have benefited by going to Alabama so much.

people are instinctual, their instincts rarely if ever changed and when put in a corner they always revert back to what is natural to them.
Tebow cannot handle a complex offensive system and be more of a traditional QB. he's been in the league three years and despite his protests that he only ran the system he was asked to do he has not improved his QB skills.

his pocket presence is horrid, his throwing motion is horrendous, his timing and rhythm throwing is just laughable and instead of getting a QB guru and breaking himself down and building it up from scratch he continues to be the same old Tebow that played at Florida. that worked at Florida, not going to work over the long term in the NFL when team know exactly what you can't do and stop you.

Absolutely.. but think about it.. he dominated the SEC like no one in history as RAW as you could possibly imagine.. think about that. Tebow did more just off raw ability than Andrew Luck who was as polished as can be.. this is the point no one gets. It's why Tebow should be considered a diamond in the rough and the other guys cubic zirconia...

Also, he can win games playing his style.. it's been proven. He can slowly develop over time if anyone would give him the chance. They have given Cam 2 seasons to flush down the toilet and Tebow outplayed him on just as bad a team. But everyone ignores this.

The same thing happened in college. Cam spent his whole college career rebuilding his game for the NFL on the bench and in junior college while Tebow was dominating. Then went to a choice spot that was perfect for a run first QB while Tebow played in a finesse passing offense throwing the ball to win games and to take defensive pressure off him. Yet CAM was considered the better passer.. lol It's truly incredible how people get things completely backwards.

TonyR
01-17-2013, 06:05 AM
LOL Here we go again with Macgruder. He still doesn't get it. Kelly wants a throwing QB who can run, not a running QB who can throw. And since Tebow can't throw he's neither.

This misunderstands Kelly's attack. "I look for a quarterback who can run and not a running back who can throw. I want a quarterback who can beat you with his arm," Kelly explained at a coaches clinic in the spring of 2011, emphatically adding, "We are not a Tim Tebow type of quarterback team. I am not going to run my quarterback 20 times on power runs." http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems

I'm not sure Kelly could be any more clear about this...

MacGruder
01-17-2013, 10:10 AM
LOL Here we go again with Macgruder. He still doesn't get it. Kelly wants a throwing QB who can run, not a running QB who can throw. And since Tebow can't throw he's neither.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems

I'm not sure Kelly could be any more clear about this...

Did you not read anything I just wrote? Tebow is a more proven passer than Cam at every level...

Kelly said in another piece he doesn't run his QBs like Tebow because none of them are the physical monsters he is.. He also didn't play in the SEC. We have seen what happened to his QBs facing SEC teams. If he was in the SEC and didn't have power runners as Florida didn't have them he would have to have a Tebow or scrap his offense like Meyer scrapped himself and went to another conference. He will likely find out the same thing in the NFL too if he doesn't realize it yet.

Rohirrim
01-17-2013, 10:30 AM
A couple of years from now, Tebow will be saving the souls of heathen Catholics in the Philippines and MacGruder will still be arguing that he's the most dominant QB who ever played in the NFL.

MacGruder
01-17-2013, 10:37 AM
A couple of years from now, Tebow will be saving the souls of heathen Catholics in the Philippines and MacGruder will still be arguing that he's the most dominant QB who ever played in the NFL.

The really ironic part is that by then the league will be full of Tebow knock-offs... just like Cam, Locker, Kaep... but none of them will come close to what Tebow could have been in the NFL if used properly.

Have you ever seen a movie called The Right Stuff? Tebow = Chuck Yeager.. haha

Rohirrim
01-17-2013, 11:02 AM
The really ironic part is that by then the league will be full of Tebow knock-offs... just like Cam, Locker, Kaep... but none of them will come close to what Tebow could have been in the NFL if used properly.

Have you ever seen a movie called The Right Stuff? Tebow = Chuck Yeager.. haha

Yeah. Chuck Yeager with 60/200 vision.

TonyR
01-17-2013, 11:41 AM
Tebow is a more proven passer than Cam at every level...

Where/how was this proven? And if it was, why is it that next year Cam Newton will once again be starting for the Carolina Panthers while Tim Tebow will likely be out of the league?

MacGruder
01-17-2013, 12:01 PM
Where/how was this proven? And if it was, why is it that next year Cam Newton will once again be starting for the Carolina Panthers while Tim Tebow will likely be out of the league?

Because Cam played in a easier offense in college... has a much better offense and coaching around him in the NFL... AND LOOKS like a NFL QB.

This is what people care about most.. how you look.. not how you actually play. Tebow doesn't care about that.. he cares about winning. Same thing with Orton.. Orton filled the stat sheet but like Cam put up a ton of turnovers. For some reason people ignore the turnovers and losses.. it's bizarre.

Let's put it this way.. imagine if you swapped teams... Imagine if Cam had to play under Fox.. Fox almost screwed up Peyton forcing him to run his slow down offense. You think he would let the turnover machine Cam loose. It's HARDER to play the way Tebow played under Fox and to be successful.

Requiem
01-17-2013, 12:02 PM
God damn, MacGruder. You should have stayed away. Go back to Estonia.

MacGruder
01-17-2013, 12:08 PM
Yeah. Chuck Yeager with 60/200 vision.

Wow.. played better in the playoffs than Peyton while blind.. even more incredible..