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HAT
01-15-2013, 05:31 PM
I realize that the loss was a perfect (****) storm of Manning blunders, questionable officiating, overly conservative coaching on multiple occasions and an epic **** up my Rahim.....

Just curious why nobody is discussing Prater digging his boot 3 inches behind the mark and getting off a no chance duck....And handing Balty the field position for a quick score?

Had he simply pushed one wide right, that's one thing....Giving balty a 10 point swing on junior high form is quite another.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-15-2013, 05:34 PM
I realize that the loss was a perfect (****) storm of Manning blunders, questionable officiating, overly conservative coaching on multiple occasions and an epic **** up my Rahim.....

Just curious why nobody is discussing Prater digging his boot 3 inches behind the mark and getting off a no chance duck....And handing Balty the field position for a quick score?

Had he simply pushed one wide right, that's one thing....Giving balty a 10 point swing on junior high form is quite another.

I still love how "Manning Blunders" comes before "epic defensive **** ups"

HAT
01-15-2013, 05:40 PM
Meh....I was just typing off the top of my head. By Manning blunders, I really only meant the OT INT.

Wasn't ranking them by any means. It just seems odd to see the mane go into full on meltdown over anybody and everybody yet somehow Prater gets a pass?

TDmvp
01-15-2013, 05:46 PM
Thought about making a thread on how does he miss that kick by doing that thing you do in golf sometimes where you hit way behind the ball but I got over it...

So many things cost us that game it's hard to blame it on one play even if there is so many single plays you can point to. But that's kinda the point if there was one or two bad plays then you can say yea maybe that cost us the game but heck there may have been 20 plays in that game that we totally did something stupid.

Meh....I was just typing off the top of my head. By Manning blunders, I really only meant the OT INT.

Wasn't ranking them by any means. It just seems odd to see the mane go into full on meltdown over anybody and everybody yet somehow Prater gets a pass?



EDIT ... I don't think he's getting a pass Hat , I think it's more of a collective shock still and he's just one of many things that sucked. From our secondary to play calling to Manning pick and not getting pressure and some bad calls. You can totally throw the missed kick in that list tho , but there was so many things THAT DON'T happen often like Champ getting beat or giving up a 70 yard td with 30 secs to go a missed FG that happens often SORTA gets over looked ....

SonOfLe-loLang
01-15-2013, 05:49 PM
Meh....I was just typing off the top of my head. By Manning blunders, I really only meant the OT INT.

Wasn't ranking them by any means. It just seems odd to see the mane go into full on meltdown over anybody and everybody yet somehow Prater gets a pass?

Fair enough. I think the Prater miss brought on a collective, OK, we can move on from this guy and his high salary from the fan base. Am I wrong?

Bronc62
01-15-2013, 05:50 PM
I've been a huge Prater fan since day 1 with his incredible height and power on kicks. Not that I want him gone, but I think he slipped a bit this year. I think there are 2 or 3 young power kickers in the league that have overtaken Prater, like the guy in St. Louis.

crawdad
01-15-2013, 05:51 PM
Not at all, I think we shop for a kicker or draft a youngun!
Hell, his lack of kicking touchbacks on kickoffs has me honked off!

DBroncos4life
01-15-2013, 05:57 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=109771

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-15-2013, 05:59 PM
No excuse for that knuckleball

Tombstone RJ
01-15-2013, 06:09 PM
Prater can go kick around some dirt for all I care... oh, wait!

KipCorrington25
01-15-2013, 06:26 PM
Prater did not have a good year, not terrible but mediocre, and all after getting the big contract. Another year like this and he'll be replaced. Kicking in the NFL has improved so much in the last decade he's already behind the curve.

Funny too the Baltimore guy had no problem with a 47 yarder to win it yet people are making excuses for Prater attempting a 52 yarder.

pricejj
01-15-2013, 07:00 PM
Prater is a head-case. Time to move on. Oh, and he's making $4M per year, to miss field goals.

RedskinBronco
01-15-2013, 07:28 PM
You still don't attempt that FG in minus zero weather.

That was on Fox

But yeah, in general, Prater kind of went downhill this year.

Rohirrim
01-15-2013, 08:41 PM
Prater's 26 made field goals were the second most in his career and the 55 extra points were the most by 16, a clear result of the Broncos' more powerful offense led by Peyton Manning. Despite playing in high-altitude Denver, Prater went only 3-of-4 from 50+ yards for the second straight year. His 81.3 percent success rate on field goals was over five points higher than in 2011 but it was only his third highest in his five full years in Denver. Prater signed a four-year contract extension before this season, so he'll likely remain the Broncos' kicker, although he still doesn't project as a top-tier kicker. (ESPN)

So. Who ya gonna get to replace him? Fox should have NEVER called a 52 yard FG in that cold. Dumb call. Prater did what a lot of golfers try to do on a 600 yard par five. They try to gorilla one and take a chunk of the big ball instead.

Requiem
01-15-2013, 09:08 PM
God damn Prater has been hot for scotch. That kick was awful. Called it too.

mhgaffney
01-15-2013, 09:17 PM
Prater cost us the game. Simple as that.

DENVERDUI55
01-15-2013, 09:49 PM
My problem with Prater is his price tag. I think he isn't worth his price tag since he struggles from the money zone of 49-40.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-15-2013, 10:02 PM
You still don't attempt that FG in minus zero weather.

That was on Fox

But yeah, in general, Prater kind of went downhill this year.

Justin Tucker didnt have much trouble nailing his. But I actually wouldnt have kicked the Prater FG either. I would have either gone for it

jmz313
01-16-2013, 06:41 AM
Prater was perfect for like the first 7-8 games i think. perfect in all 3 reg season losses. i wouldn't say he had a bad year at all.

Kickers are basically defined by the games they LOSE for a team (IMO)... Prater didn't loose us a game this season.

That said, he Def botched his one attempt in the big game.

Beantown Bronco
01-16-2013, 07:31 AM
Prater cost us the game. Simple as that.

Idiotic comment. We were winning the game up until 40 odd seconds left and that kick was his only kick of the game and it was in the first half. He was money on kickoffs.

How about this? You go out there in below zero degrees and a strong wind in your face and attempt one kick all day with no real warmups and see how you do.

Misses happen in perfect conditions on 50+ yard kicks in a freaking dome. The ones he was facing were about the worst conditions one can face.

Beantown Bronco
01-16-2013, 07:33 AM
For such a conservative coach, I'm still shocked that Fox didn't call for a punt there. You most likely go into the half with a 7 pt lead and you're receiving the 2nd half kickoff.

Ray Finkle
01-16-2013, 07:37 AM
Prater is a good kicker....Denver's been lucky with the last few kickers that have been here. You don't get rid of him until you have a replacement that you know is better.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-16-2013, 07:39 AM
Idiotic comment. We were winning the game up until 40 odd seconds left and that kick was his only kick of the game and it was in the first half. He was money on kickoffs.

How about this? You go out there in below zero degrees and a strong wind in your face and attempt one kick all day with no real warmups and see how you do.

Misses happen in perfect conditions on 50+ yard kicks in a freaking dome. The ones he was facing were about the worst conditions one can face.

Are you really arguing that the weather caused that miss? He chunked the ground, man. Took out his shovel wedge and chunked one into the ****ing trap.

When he missed, I immediately had flashbacks to '96 and Elam's missed extra point... which had us chasing the score for the rest of the game. It was a bad omen of things to come.

Beantown Bronco
01-16-2013, 07:48 AM
Are you really arguing that the weather caused that miss? He chunked the ground, man. Took out his shovel wedge and chunked one into the ****ing trap.

And what CAUSED him to do that? He was over compensating because of the elements. If we were in a dome, do you really think he tries to overkick a measley 52 yarder when he can normally kick it over 60 with room to spare.

There's a reason that when he was kicking to the other side of the field, he (and the other kicker) were kicking it into the stands and when they were kicking it the other way, they were lucky to reach the 3 yard line. The elements were most definitely a factor.

mkporter
01-16-2013, 10:06 AM
It was a tough kick, and a questionable call in that situation with it being as cold as it was. Don't really blame him for missing too much. Looked pretty bad though. That said, I don't think he's much more than an average kicker, and I don't think he's worth being one of our highest paid players.

Beantown Bronco
01-16-2013, 10:21 AM
It was a tough kick, and a questionable call in that situation with it being as cold as it was. Don't really blame him for missing too much. Looked pretty bad though. That said, I don't think he's much more than an average kicker, and I don't think he's worth being one of our highest paid players.

I wouldn't say that he's one of our highest paid players. He only made $1.8 in salary, which is the 14th highest on the team. And after being grossly underpaid for years, I'd say that's market value. Especially when you consider that he's probably the best kickoff guy in the league (especially when you consider that he kicks field goals, which some don't).

The guy is clutch when it matters. He has only one miss in the 4th quarter and OT for his career. If not for him, we might have won 5 or 6 games last year.

WolfpackGuy
01-16-2013, 12:45 PM
For such a conservative coach, I'm still shocked that Fox didn't call for a punt there. You most likely go into the half with a 7 pt lead and you're receiving the 2nd half kickoff.

Yeah, I was questioning the decision on game day, and I mentioned it a couple times since.

That missed FG and ensuing great field position gave BAL life.

It wasn't a chip shot considering the conditions, and the way the game was going, I thought it might haunt the Broncos later.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-16-2013, 12:54 PM
And what CAUSED him to do that? He was over compensating because of the elements. If we were in a dome, do you really think he tries to overkick a measley 52 yarder when he can normally kick it over 60 with room to spare.

There's a reason that when he was kicking to the other side of the field, he (and the other kicker) were kicking it into the stands and when they were kicking it the other way, they were lucky to reach the 3 yard line. The elements were most definitely a factor.

What CAUSED him to do it the other times he missed make-able kicks this year? Weather? Or is he inside his own head?

He missed something like 7 of his last 23 attempts this season. They weren't all in cold weather.

We need to explore the very real possibility that we need to find a good, consistent kicker somewhere before next season.

Beantown Bronco
01-16-2013, 12:56 PM
What CAUSED him to do it the other times he missed make-able kicks this year? Weather? Or is he inside his own head?

He missed something like 7 of his last 23 attempts this season. They weren't all in cold weather.

We need to explore the very real possibility that we need to find a good, consistent kicker somewhere before next season.

Now you're making a completely different argument. Here's what I was DIRECTLY responding to and quoted in my response:

"He chunked the ground, man. Took out his shovel wedge and chunked one into the ****ing trap."

We're not talking about every miss this year. We're talking about one miss where he did something he's NEVER done before to overcompensate for the elements.

mkporter
01-16-2013, 02:16 PM
I wouldn't say that he's one of our highest paid players. He only made $1.8 in salary, which is the 14th highest on the team. And after being grossly underpaid for years, I'd say that's market value. Especially when you consider that he's probably the best kickoff guy in the league (especially when you consider that he kicks field goals, which some don't).

The guy is clutch when it matters. He has only one miss in the 4th quarter and OT for his career. If not for him, we might have won 5 or 6 games last year.

1) He got an additional $3M signing bonus this year, and he's due to make $2.5M next year which will likely put him in the top ten. His contract averages $3.25M per year.

2) He's pretty average on kickoffs, actually. His numbers just look better because he kicks at altitude. Away from Denver this year he had 19 TB in 45 attempts. (42%) That's league average at best, probably a little below.

3)He missed two kicks in the 4th quarter just this year.

4) He was 27th out of 38 in the league in FG% made this year. 29/36 in the league last year. 10/39 in 2010. 3/39 in 2009. 20/39 in 2008.

He made some clutch kicks last year, which was great, but clutch kick numbers are pretty susceptible to small number statistic problems. I'm not advocating dumping him, but he's not as good as a lot of people think, and he's overpaid.

nyuk nyuk
01-16-2013, 08:18 PM
Speaking of kicking, I'd like to know why there isn't a penalty involved when the Ravens snuk out onto the field for that practice kick. Simply shooing them off is unacceptable. Yardage should have been attached to that.