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TonyR
01-15-2013, 06:43 AM
La Canfora reports that former Cardinals HC Ken Whisenhunt would be the leading candidate to replace McCoy in Denver, assuming that he himself doesn't land one of the vacant head jobs.
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/chargers-nearing-deal-with-mccoy-whisenhunt-may-replace-him-in-denver


With McCoy coming off market look for Ken Whisenhunt as top candidate for Denver OC if he doesn't get Eagles job. Has relationship w/Manning
https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/291190510587092993

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-15-2013, 06:47 AM
No Tom Moore?

No matter the OC, I think it's clear who the real shotcaller is in this offense.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-15-2013, 06:51 AM
I like this hire, if it happens. Still kind of think he'll get a head job, though.

Having former head coaches as your top coordinators is a pretty damn good thing to have on your football team.

2KBack
01-15-2013, 06:54 AM
There goes the run game I wanted

elsid13
01-15-2013, 06:54 AM
Interesting choice. It will be adjust to the offense but maybe that what we need now.

Armchair Bronco
01-15-2013, 07:18 AM
The thing is: Fox has already said that 10 times out of 10 he'd run on 3rd and 7 in the playoffs, so I don't see how this hiring helps us.

Fox needs to go before this team can grow a pair.

go_broncos
01-15-2013, 07:22 AM
May be experienced OC coach will convince Fox that we should not play conservative.

Killericon
01-15-2013, 07:23 AM
One reason I'd love this hire is that Wiz seemed at his best with a veteran QB, and at his worst with a young one. So, if we're more worried about getting a ring with Manning than we are about developing Brock, this is great.

One reason I wouldn't like this hire is that even with Fox's hands-off approach to managing his staff, we'd still have two ex head coaches at the coordinator positions.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-15-2013, 07:28 AM
The thing is: Fox has already said that 10 times out of 10 he'd run on 3rd and 7 in the playoffs, so I don't see how this hiring helps us.

Fox needs to go before this team can grow a pair.

If you keep whining about it, I'm sure it will happen.

Maybe try stomping your feet.

BroncoBrett
01-15-2013, 07:30 AM
Maybe he can bring Fitz here and remove him from that hole in AZ...

Taco John
01-15-2013, 07:37 AM
There goes the run game I wanted

Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

Kaylore
01-15-2013, 07:40 AM
John Fox offenses have historically run more than other teams. He usually finishes 50/50 in his ratio.

2KBack
01-15-2013, 07:44 AM
Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

I'm sure it will come back around...but it takes a while for eras to come and go like that. I will have to admit, that for the next couple years at least, we should maximize our strength, which would be our giant receivers and Manning (and our Giant QB after Manning).

Smiling Assassin27
01-15-2013, 07:48 AM
It already IS coming back in the form of the read option. Guys like Wilson, Kap, Newton, et al are not pocket passers, but hybrids that put up gaudy rush yards.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-15-2013, 07:50 AM
Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

Frank gore and ray rice?

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-15-2013, 07:52 AM
It already IS coming back in the form of the read option. Guys like Wilson, Kap, Newton, et al are not pocket passers, but hybrids that put up gaudy rush yards.

Those guys are good at throwing. You can't succeed in an option offense without passing the ball. Wilson is a highly underrated pocket passer IMO

2KBack
01-15-2013, 07:56 AM
It already IS coming back in the form of the read option. Guys like Wilson, Kap, Newton, et al are not pocket passers, but hybrids that put up gaudy rush yards.

Read option won't stick...it works....but it Kills QB's. The investments are just too important. Watch next season, when the defenses are instructed to Kill the QB....don't worry about fakes, just pound the QB.

ColoradoDarin
01-15-2013, 08:01 AM
I'm ready to take a Whis

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/denver%20broncos%20peeing%20cropped.jpg

Rohirrim
01-15-2013, 08:11 AM
Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

If we'd had McGahee and Moreno healthy for that game Saturday, NE would be on their way here.

Smiling Assassin27
01-15-2013, 08:12 AM
Read option won't stick...it works....but it Kills QB's. The investments are just too important. Watch next season, when the defenses are instructed to Kill the QB....don't worry about fakes, just pound the QB.

It's in its infancy in the NFL. The guys running it are bigger, stronger, faster, and more accurate throwing on the run. As with any offense, defenses adjust and then offenses adapt accordingly. YOu can't keep these guys in the pocket or you'll severely limit your chances of winning the game. The 'investment' is in a qb who can do what others like Manning, Ryan, et al can't. You protect it as best you can by limiting your risk while maximizing the reward, which means getting them out in space and running it wisely.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-15-2013, 08:12 AM
Whoever Peyton wants.

socalorado
01-15-2013, 08:16 AM
Brock Osweiller is excellent throwing on the run BTW.
Watched him do it countless times.
Just sayin.

Smiling Assassin27
01-15-2013, 08:28 AM
Whoever Peyton wants.

This.

2KBack
01-15-2013, 08:37 AM
Brock Osweiller is excellent throwing on the run BTW.
Watched him do it countless times.
Just sayin.

Brock is a mobile QB....a surprising athlete considering his height. We ran the option some in AZ with him.

lonestar
01-15-2013, 08:46 AM
It is a matter of time before the DCs figure out how to stop the read option running game. When that happens those QBs will be forced to throw from the pocket with an occasional roll out.

As long as we have Manning I'll trust him to make the correct call after surveying the D.

Tombstone RJ
01-15-2013, 08:48 AM
I wouldn't mind Whisenhunt as the OC. Wasn't he Pittsburgh's OC when he was hired by the cards to be the cards HC?

R8R H8R
01-15-2013, 08:49 AM
This would be a great hire, but for some reason I just think that La Canfora is pulling this one out of his ***. Has Schefter weighed in yet?

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-15-2013, 08:57 AM
Speculation. Not sure I'd want him though but who else is out there?

TonyR
01-15-2013, 08:57 AM
With McCoy coming off market look for Ken Whisenhunt as top candidate for Denver OC if he doesn't get Eagles job. Has relationship w/Manning https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/291190510587092993

Anyone know what the "relationship" with Manning is?

Br0nc0Buster
01-15-2013, 09:00 AM
I would like the hire

He wouldnt be a Fox lackey and would bring a lot of knowledge to the offensive side

DBroncos4life
01-15-2013, 09:02 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/291190510587092993

Anyone know what the "relationship" with Manning is?

I know they talked about it when Manning was a FA when the Cards tried to sign him. No real details though.

ludo21
01-15-2013, 09:08 AM
Meh, Would not be the worst hire for sure.

Better than creepy old man Tom Moore

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-15-2013, 09:24 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/291190510587092993

Anyone know what the "relationship" with Manning is?

All I'm seeing is they have a "personal" relationship. Like best Bro's

Kaylore
01-15-2013, 09:26 AM
Meh, Would not be the worst hire for sure.

Better than creepy old man Tom Moore

:erm?:

So is he creepy and old, or is him being old = creepy? Moore is a very good coach.

spiralism
01-15-2013, 09:29 AM
Maybe he can bring Fitz here and remove him from that hole in AZ...

Fitz is loyal and on a LONG contract. Jennings and Welker are far more viable.

Crushaholic
01-15-2013, 09:29 AM
I would be OK, with it...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Whisenhunt


One of Whisenhunt's most famous moments as a Steeler is the trick play he called in Super Bowl XL. With Pittsburgh leading 14-10 over the Seattle Seahawks, Whisenhunt called a wide receiver reverse pass (Antwaan Randle El to Hines Ward, the only TD pass thrown by a WR in Super Bowl history) that allowed Pittsburgh to pull away.

Bronco Yoda
01-15-2013, 09:35 AM
If PFM signs off on it I'm jolly.

spdirty
01-15-2013, 09:40 AM
Tom Moore would be my first choice, but can't complain about Whiz. He was a shorthair away from winning the Super Bowl a little while ago.

Bronco Yoda
01-15-2013, 09:46 AM
I like the Whiz. He's capable of going off the conservative reservation from time to time.

COWheatGrower
01-15-2013, 09:47 AM
Manning and Whisenhunt are hunting buddies.

Tombstone RJ
01-15-2013, 09:52 AM
I would be OK, with it...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Whisenhunt


One of Whisenhunt's most famous moments as a Steeler is the trick play he called in Super Bowl XL. With Pittsburgh leading 14-10 over the Seattle Seahawks, Whisenhunt called a wide receiver reverse pass (Antwaan Randle El to Hines Ward, the only TD pass thrown by a WR in Super Bowl history) that allowed Pittsburgh to pull away.

So Whiz was the Steelers OC. This is why I like him, he will run the ball. As for this SB, it should have been a Seattle win... thanks again refs.

Rohirrim
01-15-2013, 10:01 AM
If Whiz doesn't get an HC job and comes here, it will only be for one year.

Bronco Yoda
01-15-2013, 10:14 AM
We're living year to year anyway with PFM.

Rohirrim
01-15-2013, 10:18 AM
We're living year to year anyway with PFM.

True.

broncosteven
01-15-2013, 10:45 AM
Frank gore and ray rice?

Stephen Riddley...

razorwire77
01-15-2013, 10:45 AM
If KW gets the job, I guarantee you we will upgrade the RB position significantly.

TheManeMan
01-15-2013, 11:17 AM
If KW gets the job, I guarantee you we will upgrade the RB position significantly.

With who? Beanie Wells?! Ha!

TheReverend
01-15-2013, 11:19 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/291190510587092993

Anyone know what the "relationship" with Manning is?

Golf buddies.

maher_tyler
01-15-2013, 11:20 AM
Interesting choice. It will be adjust to the offense but maybe that what we need now.

Atlanta changed OC this past offseason and didn't miss a beat.

TheReverend
01-15-2013, 11:24 AM
<img src="http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=15709&stc=1&d=1147936819">

So is he creepy and old, or is him being old = creepy? Moore is a very good coach.

The OLD kind of creepy... watching someone from the bushes, not the digital era "creepy new".

Ryan McBean, for example, is creepy old.

2KBack
01-15-2013, 11:27 AM
Atlanta changed OC this past offseason and didn't miss a beat.

Cuz they got my boy Koetter

razorwire77
01-15-2013, 12:14 PM
With who? Beanie Wells?! Ha!

Ha!

Not always effectively, but point being RB was addressed with high round draft picks. Beanie Wells (1st rounder in 09), Ryan Willians (2nd rounder in 2010).

Look at the Pittsburgh backs when he was OC they ran quite a bit and quite successfully (Willie Parker had like 1400 or 1500 yards in a season and a 1200 yard season), Duce Staley and Bettis split carries one season.

TheReverend
01-15-2013, 12:40 PM
Cuz they got my boy Koetter

Congratulations. You're the first person that has EVER said that.

bronco militia
01-15-2013, 01:00 PM
Congratulations. You're the first person that has EVER said that.

LOL

2KBack
01-15-2013, 01:05 PM
Congratulations. You're the first person that has EVER said that.

I think he's a good coach. He was the HC at ASU when I walked on. I didn't make it, but he took the time to talk to me himself and I was a nobody to be written off by any old grad assistant. Of course he told me I was old and small, but I appreciate the honesty.

He Made Andrew Walter (douche) look all world.

Chris
01-15-2013, 01:22 PM
Those days are over. I favor the run game as well, but it's an archaic part of this game in these days. The teams in the playoffs now are there because they are great at passing, not running.

The Pats have been running pretty effectively in these playoffs. Don't want the 49ers enough to comment but I'd bet they do too.

Kaylore
01-15-2013, 01:35 PM
The OLD kind of creepy... watching someone from the bushes, not the digital era "creepy new".

Ryan McBean, for example, is creepy old.

^5

Chris
01-15-2013, 01:46 PM
All this talk about creepy is getting creepy.

Hulamau
01-15-2013, 01:50 PM
Whoever it will be, it's the easiest OC job in the NFL ... just sit back, hold the clipboard well and agree with PMFM!

Chris
01-15-2013, 01:54 PM
Whoever it will be, it's the easiest OC job in the NFL ... just sit back, hold the clipboard well and agree with PMFM!

I'd love to see a little more creative play design in the red zone. I saw flashes of that this year but really think Whisenhunt could do some things. He's likely an upgrade over McCoy.

RedskinBronco
01-15-2013, 01:56 PM
He would be a good choice IMO

2KBack
01-15-2013, 01:57 PM
Whoever it will be, it's the easiest OC job in the NFL ... just sit back, hold the clipboard well and agree with PMFM!

That's why we need a coach that might add something. Mccoy I don't think hurt us, but her didn't really add much. I would like to see someone who can make a positive contribution.

RaiderH8r
01-15-2013, 02:11 PM
Whoever it will be, it's the easiest OC job in the NFL ... just sit back, hold the clipboard well and agree with PMFM!

Or call a run on 3rd and 7 effective negating the PMFM effect and taking the game out of the best player's hands. That's the other thing our OC can do.

Lestat
01-15-2013, 02:44 PM
Wisenhunt or Shurmur are the two guys i wanted badly for the OC if McCoy left.
i think Wisenhunt would be a great fit for us, he'll bring that physical running game meshed with Manning.

Mogulseeker
01-16-2013, 08:42 PM
Oh, and:

Whisenhunt > McCoy

broncosteven
01-16-2013, 09:08 PM
I'd love to see a little more creative play design in the red zone. I saw flashes of that this year but really think Whisenhunt could do some things. He's likely an upgrade over McCoy.

IDK, after our option of QB draws in 2011, 2012's red zone calls were a total upgrade.

TonyR
01-17-2013, 06:10 AM
Sounds like it's Whisenhunt or Gase. We should know soon.

Elway 4 Life
01-17-2013, 06:36 AM
Sounds like it's Whisenhunt or Gase. We should know soon.

I'm ok with either one. I'm curious to see what Gase has, he is well liked by everyone from what I hear and has a very good football mind. He won't be a one and gone coach like Whiz.

Hulamau
01-18-2013, 07:59 AM
If we'd had McGahee and Moreno healthy for that game Saturday, NE would be on their way here.

Absolutely! And that's a fact Jack! Losing Moreno with no McGahee too threw the Offensive rhythm off in the second half.. Manning lost his last best Backfield protection and know show has more power and more patience
These days for running inside the tackles...

Ronnie stated to get in the groove as the 4th quarter progressed but we easily missed out on one if not two scores and longer drives in which we didn't score with Moreno and Hillman mixing it up with Moreno in there on passing third downs.

Hulamau
01-18-2013, 08:03 AM
With who? Beanie Wells?! Ha!

That's a given anyway, Elway knows better that anyone the value of a stud running game for a 37 year old QB for getting over the jump and winning a couple SBs...

HILife
01-18-2013, 08:11 AM
WTF! Mike McCoy went to San Diego! What is with the AFC West trying to take all our coaches??

And yes I am just know hearing about this. After the playoff lose, I had to stay away from all things football. Need some time to heal.