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FearLanier
01-14-2013, 10:53 AM
For those who care :)

-The San Diego Chargers have signed former Colts front office man Tom Telesco to be their new GM. Not sure about him but I've heard he has a fantastic reputation around the league as both a talent evaluator and great communication skills.

-Chargers have interviewed Ken Whisenhunt, Lovie Smith, Jay Gruden as of late. It is believed that they are targeting Bruce Arians (let me know if any changes have occurred).

-The Chiefs will announce John Dorsey as their GM today. Dorsey is a very well recommended man from Green Bay who scouted and directed their reports on players for several years.

-Chiefs are reportedly close to signing Dave Toub as their ST's coach. Toub is regarded as arguably the best ST's coach in the league as seen by his work with the Chicago Bears.

-Chiefs also signed Doug Pederson to be OC. Pederson is a former QB coach that some believe could be a HC in the future.

-Among Pederson, Brad Childress has agreed to join the Chiefs as Assistant Coach/offensive consultant and Tony Sporano interviewed (and is said to be signing on) as the OL coach, the same area where he got his start and led him to becoming a HC.

TheReverend
01-14-2013, 11:07 AM
I dont like that staff KC is assembling one bit :/

Bronco Rob
01-14-2013, 11:12 AM
Even after the USS Foxtanic hit the proverbial iceberg on Saturday. No ammount of off season moves by the three stooges will help them contend for the division.

boltaneer
01-14-2013, 11:20 AM
Chargers have so far interviewed:

Gus Bradley
Ken Whisenhunt
Lovie Smith
Jay Gruden

Scheduled to interview this week:

Mike McCoy
Bruce Arians

rbackfactory80
01-14-2013, 11:20 AM
Any chance the chiefs want the coy dog?

FearLanier
01-14-2013, 11:29 AM
Chargers have so far interviewed:

Gus Bradley
Ken Whisenhunt
Lovie Smith
Jay Gruden

Scheduled to interview this week:

Mike McCoy
Bruce Arians

Gus Bradley is going to be an amazing HC one day. I have always been a fan. What he's done with the Seahawks defense speaks volumes to his ability. I hope you guys don't get this guy.

Hulamau
01-14-2013, 11:31 AM
Even if the Chuggers and Cheifs new FO and coaching staff does everything right, we have at least two more years of baked-in divison championships on the menu.

ANd if Elway/Russell/Fox do a decent job as we all expect, in this offseason which they should now that there are not so mnay holes to fill and we clearly know what we need to take t hat last step required to become a dominant team again for the duration of Mannings tenure as QB here.

KC has no QB and either has to develop a rookie with slim pickings in this draft, start with a backup or make due with Mike Vick and his old age for an oft injured QB whose style depends on a high level of athleticism and taking hits...

San Diego has even more rebuilding to go through than KC.

Denver should be significantly better, beyond just the stats, the next couple years with just a few more key acquisitions plus some solid additional depth enhancements.

This looks like is may play out along the line of the 1996 through 1998 seasons for Denver ... just what Manning and Elway have been shooting for.

We just got a bit more of a head start they either one expected this first year, but as the game showed Sunday we need just a little more work and a few more slots upgraded to be iron-clad for a 20 game season, if necessary.

FearLanier
01-14-2013, 11:33 AM
Oh and forgot the Chiefs have agreed to make former NYJ LB's coach Bob Sutton their new DC.

Sutton was the HC at Army for several years and has been well liked by the NYJ for years. He was kept through 3 different coaching staffs (Herm, Mangini and Rex) and is said to employ the 1 gap 3-4 attacking defense.

Thank God. Chiefs defense lacked discipline last year and the 2 gap is the worst defense ever. Glad we'll have a more attack oriented defensive strategy.

FearLanier
01-14-2013, 11:41 AM
Oh and forgot the Chiefs have agreed to make former NYJ LB's coach Bob Sutton their new DC.

Sutton was the HC at Army for several years and has been well liked by the NYJ for years. He was kept through 3 different coaching staffs (Herm, Mangini and Rex) and is said to employ the 1 gap 3-4 attacking defense.

Thank God. Chiefs defense lacked discipline last year and the 2 gap is the worst defense ever. Glad we'll have a more attack oriented defensive strategy.

Heyneck
01-14-2013, 12:04 PM
I must say I don't like 1 bit what both teams are doing. I think they are headed in the right direction. Not sure about Reid yet (burned out?), but he is putting together a really good staff. Lets see what the chargers do... but them getting rid of Norm and AJ make them better from the get go. Unless the hire a douche that goes in and pulls a McD, they should be fine with the proper coach.

We will keep pounding their arses, but I just wish this Division could get back to it's great years when normally 3 teams where good to fight for the division and wildcard. Time to represent.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-14-2013, 12:08 PM
I cant imagine that any of the opponets will be able to assemble a team good enough to beat us until after Peyton has retired. Then its a diff story. But thats the highs and lows of the NFL.

ColoradoDarin
01-14-2013, 01:18 PM
Chiefs coaching/FO is looking good, they are one Matt Flynn trade away from being a competent team.

FearLanier
01-14-2013, 01:42 PM
"You have to draft BPA in the draft. Each draft has strengths at certain positions for you to better your football team and taking those players instead of reaching makes you a better team."

That's what John Dorsey just said. Love this hire and I'm glad he won't be reaching for players like Tyson Jackson, Javier Arenas and Dexter McCluster.
Pioli should have learned his lesson that BPA (ala Eric Berry) is always the way to go.

Lestat
01-14-2013, 02:01 PM
Bradley is going to be a beast of a HC. the Eagles would be smart to hire him and fix that damn defense.

the Chiefs are putting together one heck of a staff in the FO and coaching wise.
Reid obviously learned his lesson from Philly.

the Chargers and McCoy reportedly being enamored with each other does not sit well with me at all. but if he's gonna leave i want him to do it soon so that we can snag Shurmur before he lands another gig(reportedly the Panthers like him a lot)

Chris
01-14-2013, 02:06 PM
Chiefs coaching/FO is looking good, they are one Matt Flynn trade away from being a competent team.

Who's to say Matt Flynn is any good?

edog24
01-14-2013, 02:16 PM
At least now maybe we can have some competition in the division so we don't look like dog crap once we play the good teams?

broncobum6162
01-14-2013, 02:24 PM
I dont like that staff KC is assembling one bit :/
I agree.....sorta like a whos who among coordinators....Yikes!

400HZ
01-14-2013, 03:11 PM
It seems weird that the Raiders aren't hiring a new coaching staff this year.

ColoradoDarin
01-14-2013, 03:12 PM
Who's to say Matt Flynn is any good?

He's at the very least an upgrade over the QBs they had last year. Reid knows how to coach up QBs as well. I doubt Flynn dominates, but he can get them to respectable, and at respectable, they might beat us at Arrowhead.

boltaneer
01-14-2013, 03:30 PM
"You have to draft BPA in the draft. Each draft has strengths at certain positions for you to better your football team and taking those players instead of reaching makes you a better team."

That's what John Dorsey just said. Love this hire and I'm glad he won't be reaching for players like Tyson Jackson, Javier Arenas and Dexter McCluster.
Pioli should have learned his lesson that BPA (ala Eric Berry) is always the way to go.

So, you're saying the Matt Cassel experiment will continue? :flower:

broncosteven
01-14-2013, 03:54 PM
For those who care :)

-The San Diego Chargers have signed former Colts front office man Tom Telesco to be their new GM. Not sure about him but I've heard he has a fantastic reputation around the league as both a talent evaluator and great communication skills.

-Chargers have interviewed Ken Whisenhunt, Lovie Smith, Jay Gruden as of late. It is believed that they are targeting Bruce Arians (let me know if any changes have occurred).

-The Chiefs will announce John Dorsey as their GM today. Dorsey is a very well recommended man from Green Bay who scouted and directed their reports on players for several years.

-Chiefs are reportedly close to signing Dave Toub as their ST's coach. Toub is regarded as arguably the best ST's coach in the league as seen by his work with the Chicago Bears.

-Chiefs also signed Doug Pederson to be OC. Pederson is a former QB coach that some believe could be a HC in the future.

-Among Pederson, Brad Childress has agreed to join the Chiefs as Assistant Coach/offensive consultant and Tony Sporano interviewed (and is said to be signing on) as the OL coach, the same area where he got his start and led him to becoming a HC.

I used to like Toub alot but his stock seems to rise and fall with the out put of Hester. When duh bears had speed returning kicks his unit was amazing but after losing Manning and Knox their KR has been below avg and Hester hasn't returned a kick or punt last year. The bears punter sucks and Gold is just another kicker in the NFL.

I heard Toub was interviewed for the bears job (along with a dozen others), I am surprised he hasn't moved up yet. I liked him back when mCd was hired and I wanted us to get him but he hasn't shown much of anything last year and now it sounds like he will go to a lateral move.

Returners with Speed trump coaching, just look at how great Holliday makes our unit look!

Good luck with Toub.

Pederson is an upgrade at OC, a slug with a pulse is also an upgrade for kFc OC.

TonyR
01-14-2013, 04:09 PM
Interesting take from Bartlett basically saying the SanDiego job sucks, mainly because you're stuck with a declining Rivers.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/san-diego-is-not-a-plum-job

broncosteven
01-14-2013, 04:14 PM
Who's to say Matt Flynn is any good?

kFc has Matt Cassell, Brady Quinn, and some dude named Stanzi on their roster.

It is not about Flynn being good, just that he is likely better than what they have now.

I do wonder if Reid doesn't try to keep Cassell around and see if he can develop him. Cassell was much better than Quinn was, not sure why Romeo wanted Quinn to start other than to make the fans stop bothering him. Cassell had a lot of turnovers some were bad snaps he was getting from a G playing C for the 1st time in his very long career. I think Reid can sort of game plan some of those INT's out with a better system.

I would not be surprised if they didn't go QB with their 1st pick.

boltaneer
01-14-2013, 05:38 PM
Interesting take from Bartlett basically saying the SanDiego job sucks, mainly because you're stuck with a declining Rivers.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/san-diego-is-not-a-plum-job

Who is Bartlett? I never heard of him.

broncosteven
01-14-2013, 05:59 PM
Interesting take from Bartlett basically saying the SanDiego job sucks, mainly because you're stuck with a declining Rivers.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/san-diego-is-not-a-plum-job

I wonder if Rivers just didn't start zoning Norv out the last couple years. He was a very good QB for the 1st 6 years he started full time, even last years stats are not bad.

He is the 2nd best QB in the division. I hope they find the wrong HC and GM, he can be recovered with good coaching and talent around him.

boltaneer
01-14-2013, 06:07 PM
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/290895687233716224

One important point on these coaching searches: Sometimes, "team" likes "candidate" actually means the opposite. Chargers job is in demand.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/290895921099710467

Word is, for example, Bruce Arians likes the San Diego job above the others because of the presence of Philip Rivers.

TheReverend
01-14-2013, 06:08 PM
Arians in San Diego will make me sick

Lestat
01-14-2013, 06:37 PM
Arians in San Diego will make me sick

it's still Phillip Rivers. he is a good QB but he hasn't learned to adjust his throws and style to his WR's. he's so used to them going up and getting it during the first phase of his career and he keeps doing it regardless of if it's a good decision or not.

TonyR
01-14-2013, 06:37 PM
Who is Bartlett? I never heard of him.

Who are you?

TheReverend
01-14-2013, 06:45 PM
it's still Phillip Rivers. he is a good QB but he hasn't learned to adjust his throws and style to his WR's. he's so used to them going up and getting it during the first phase of his career and he keeps doing it regardless of if it's a good decision or not.

Exactly. And that concerns me just as much. Rivers is a very good QB, down couple years or not.

broncosteven
01-14-2013, 06:47 PM
it's still Phillip Rivers. he is a good QB but he hasn't learned to adjust his throws and style to his WR's. he's so used to them going up and getting it during the first phase of his career and he keeps doing it regardless of if it's a good decision or not.

Rivers had no one to throw to. Losing Jackson hurt him because he could go up and get those back shoulder throws and run good routes.

Lestat
01-14-2013, 06:56 PM
Rivers had no one to throw to. Losing Jackson hurt him because he could go up and get those back shoulder throws and run good routes.

he still had Gates who was at times his only weapon in the past.
he wasn't weaponless, he just didn't have his primary one in Jackson but Floyd was still there.

he has been off for the past 3 seasons or so and either he's injured or he's slipping.

Exactly. And that concerns me just as much. Rivers is a very good QB, down couple years or not.
a down year is one thing. he's been borderline bad for 3 years now.

TonyR
01-14-2013, 06:57 PM
...a down year is one thing. he's been borderline bad for 3 years now.

Yeah, I don't see him bouncing back and suddenly returning to what he once was. That's just not how it works. I'm fairly certain we've long since seen the best of him.

TheReverend
01-14-2013, 06:58 PM
he has been off for the past 3 seasons or so and either he's injured or he's slipping.

In 2010 he threw for 4700 yards, 30 TDs and 13 INTs.

Heck last year in 2011 he had 4600, 27 and 20. That's not nearly as bad as people are associating him with

Yeah, I don't see him bouncing back and suddenly returning to what he once was. That's just not how it works. I'm fairly certain we've long since seen the best of him.

So true. A guy like Arians could never maximize QB performance...

richpjr
01-14-2013, 07:03 PM
I guess time will tell on Rivers, but even with that awful oline, no running game and a shaky receiving corp he ended up as the 11th rated passer in the league. I find it hard to think that any QB would succeed with what he had to work with.

Lestat
01-14-2013, 07:10 PM
my bad, 2 seasons. i kept remembering how bad they started off the 2010 season and was associating it with Rivers.

but 2011 was still bad for him, prior to 2011 he had 3 consecutive seasons of at least a 101.8 QB rating. and he's been nowhere near 100 since. he's made mistakes,he's turned the ball over and choked in games.
he's been bad, though lacking a running game hurts he was an elite QB before these past two years and he's faltered into a average one the past two seasons. for a fall like that, it's horrible.

TonyR
01-14-2013, 07:10 PM
In 2010 he threw for 4700 yards, 30 TDs and 13 INTs.

Heck last year in 2011 he had 4600, 27 and 20. That's not nearly as bad as people are associating him with...

Two down years, the most recent the worse of the two by far, isn't a good trend. Has he looked good to you? Or remotely how he used to look?



So true. A guy like Arians could never maximize QB performance...

He did a nice job in Indy this year. But why did the Steelers let him go? And he is 60 years old. Not usually the age new head coaches take the league by storm. Outside of Coughlin it's been younger guys getting it done the last several years.

boltaneer
01-14-2013, 07:14 PM
Who are you?

I'm Batman.

Lestat
01-14-2013, 07:14 PM
dammit, i wrong a long post pointing out Rivers issues and it didn't go through.
to shorten it, he's been well under his elite QB prime of 2008-10. that level of drop off is horrible.

broncosteven
01-14-2013, 07:26 PM
he still had Gates who was at times his only weapon in the past.
he wasn't weaponless, he just didn't have his primary one in Jackson but Floyd was still there.

he has been off for the past 3 seasons or so and either he's injured or he's slipping.


a down year is one thing. he's been borderline bad for 3 years now.

Like Rev said his stats are far from bad, given a legit WR and a run game and that O is dangerous, it is a good thing their D has declined and they need to address that as well or we would have a threat for the division next year.

Lestat
01-14-2013, 07:35 PM
Like Rev said his stats are far from bad, given a legit WR and a run game and that O is dangerous, it is a good thing their D has declined and they need to address that as well or we would have a threat for the division next year.

his issue before he was elevated to elite QB status was mistakes and turnovers. he had seemingly cured that during his big run when we all thought he was one of the best QB's in the NFL.
he's reverted back to that pre elite form and got worse this season compared to last.
the past two seasons he's been well under his peak QB rating, as subjective as QB rating is, it shows his regression pretty effectively and notes a severe decline.
part of it has to do with losing LT but he should be performing at a much higher level than he is. he's carried that team before and played much better with less overall than he has had recently.

broncosteven
01-14-2013, 07:38 PM
his issue before he was elevated to elite QB status was mistakes and turnovers. he had seemingly cured that during his big run when we all thought he was one of the best QB's in the NFL.
he's reverted back to that pre elite form and got worse this season compared to last.
the past two seasons he's been well under his peak QB rating, as subjective as QB rating is, it shows his regression pretty effectively and notes a severe decline.
part of it has to do with losing LT but he should be performing at a much higher level than he is. he's carried that team before and played much better with less overall than he has had recently.

Personally I hope he is on the decline and tanks during rebuilding, I don't think it will happen but we can hope!

Bronco Rob
01-14-2013, 10:16 PM
Who's to say Matt Flynn is any good?


Nobody.

FearLanier
01-25-2013, 01:38 PM
Chiefs hired former Packers CB Al Harris as an assistant DB coach.

Loving this coaching staff.

broncosteven
01-25-2013, 02:06 PM
Chiefs hired former Packers CB Al Harris as an assistant DB coach.

Loving this coaching staff.

Is this his 1st coaching gig or has he been around working his way up the coaching ladder?

SonOfLe-loLang
01-25-2013, 02:07 PM
Chiefs hired former Packers CB Al Harris as an assistant DB coach.

Loving this coaching staff.

I have a feeling you'd say that even if the Chiefs hired Joe S. Momma to be an "assistant DB coach."

FearLanier
01-25-2013, 02:22 PM
Is this his 1st coaching gig or has he been around working his way up the coaching ladder?

He retired after 2011 and took a year off. Apparently he's always wanted to be a coach. Pretty good to have a HOF DB (Emmitt Thomas) being the lead DB coach to help you get started in the coaching ranks.

FearLanier
01-25-2013, 02:23 PM
I have a feeling you'd say that even if the Chiefs hired Joe S. Momma to be an "assistant DB coach."

No not quite. I did not like the Bob Sutton hire at DC. Not a fan of his.

lonestar
01-25-2013, 02:26 PM
No not quite. I did not like the Bob Sutton hire at DC. Not a fan of his.

Hey be proud of your team. Do not let some that seem to be jealous of it get you down.

Just like a few years ago we were the laughing stock. Some of our posters seem to have forgotten about that.

DENVERDUI55
01-25-2013, 02:37 PM
In 2010 he threw for 4700 yards, 30 TDs and 13 INTs.

Heck last year in 2011 he had 4600, 27 and 20. That's not nearly as bad as people are associating him with



So true. A guy like Arians could never maximize QB performance...

Toss in his 5 lost out of 9 and he fumbled 15 times this year and lost 7 he is a TO machine. He can play as good as any QB in the league but he can play like Mark Sanchez too. You could say the same thing about Carson Palmer too. Call me not too worried about Phyllis Rivers.

Kaylore
01-25-2013, 03:06 PM
I don't believe good players make good coaches. I think average players make good coaches because they know all the little things you need to do to be successful.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-25-2013, 03:40 PM
Hey be proud of your team. Do not let some that seem to be jealous of it get you down.

Just like a few years ago we were the laughing stock. Some of our posters seem to have forgotten about that.

My suggestion was out of jealousy?

Youre strange

Tombstone RJ
01-25-2013, 07:26 PM
Toss in his 5 lost out of 9 and he fumbled 15 times this year and lost 7 he is a TO machine. He can play as good as any QB in the league but he can play like Mark Sanchez too. You could say the same thing about Carson Palmer too. Call me not too worried about Phyllis Rivers.

Rivers numbers reflect the talent he's got to work with IMHO. Look at who he has now compared to who he had when SD was winning. For whatever reason, AJ Smith let talent go but could not replace that talent. I think McCoy will definitely help on offense but it's hard to know what kind of defense SD will field. They both need a lot of help.