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Ronnie Tsunami
01-13-2013, 08:49 PM
While bitterness is rightfully fresh in the air, what areas should we address in this year's draft?

Time will tell whether or not we extend certain players contracts or release them, and who we sign in free agency, this is just a test to see what the initial sentiment is.

Try to take into account at a player's entire body of work this season before making statements.

e.g.
Unfair: Letz draft a safetyz in round 1 because Rahim Moar sucks teh cock.
Fair, debatable but not necessarily how I feel: Rahim Moore ****ed up and proved he can't play the clutch, let's consider a safety in the first 2 rounds.

Doggcow
01-13-2013, 08:54 PM
We will draft some ****ing asshole that will just butt**** us in the playoffs and we will ****ing lose by a ****ing fg

RhymesayersDU
01-13-2013, 08:58 PM
We will draft some ****ing a-hole that will just butt**** us in the playoffs and we will ****ing lose by a ****ing fg

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Hercules Rockefeller
01-13-2013, 08:59 PM
Still need a lot more talent up the middle on defense

Ratboy
01-13-2013, 09:00 PM
Best Player Available.

That being said...

1. MLB
2. Defensive Tackle
3. Cornerback/Safety.


1. It's clear we need that Middle Linebacker leading this defense. Te'o, Minter?

2. We need to upgrade the DT position, I don't see how we get away with not doing it. Maybe we can fill the need in Free Agency?

3. Rahim Moore ****ed up, BIG TIME but he'll be our starter next year and is far from the issue. Can Carter come back and fill that other Safety spot? Champ Bailey?

4. Cornerback. Champ is getting old, he had his worst game I have ever witnessed and it's clear he's lost a step. We need to find his replacement. Chris Harris is good and I think he'll be able to handle the other spot.

gunns
01-13-2013, 09:00 PM
I picked several defensive positions. Of course it depends on what's available, if it's 1st round qualified.

go_broncos
01-13-2013, 09:09 PM
I need a winner that plays well in playoffs..

R8R H8R
01-13-2013, 09:18 PM
Before this game, I said in another thread that we should go BPA, but find a MLB, Safety, and slot wr somewhere. After this game, I still want BPA, but find a MLB, CB, and slot wr, and move Champ to safety. It just might be time. Also, we still need to get a push in the middle.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-13-2013, 09:27 PM
Before this game I said in another thread that we should go BPA, but find a MLB, Safety, and slot wr somewhere. After this game, I still want BPA, but find a MLB, CB, and slot wr, and move Champ to safety. It just might be time. Also, we still need to get a push in the middle.

McCourty seemed to transition just fine to safety. I would like champ to move in the near future.

razorwire77
01-13-2013, 09:43 PM
I don't think there are nearly as many holes on this team as some of the chicken littles are proclaiming. Depth issues? Sure. Some areas that need to be addressed? Absolutely. A good draft and we can really do some damage to address some of these concerns. The good news is we don't need a franchise QB, 3-4 DT, LT etc. Denver can get really good value at the bottom of the first round this year.

QB- Obviously we don't take a QB within the first 3 or 4 rounds, but my gut tells me Elway will draft a QB every year until Manning retires. Wouldn't mind a late round flier on Renfree from Duke, or if a guy like Logan Thomas or Tyler Bray if they fall.

RB-Major concern here. Yes, KM was a great story and I think there is a roster spot for him as a 3rd down back and passing situation RB. Hillman has some potential as a scat/change of pace back (I thought he was one of the few guys that didn't sh*t the bed yesterday.) Willis is old, coming off a major injury and doesn't have a lot of tread left. Ball and Hester are camp fodder at best. No NFL team respects Denver's ability to consistently pound the ball, when they drop in Cover 2. We need a Frank Gore type back. I think you take a RB as high as the bottom of the 2nd round. Personally I'd love to get Lattimore at the bottom of 3rd round, but if he's even close to being right he's gone in the 2nd. Other backs that would be upgrades in the 2nd round would be the Taylor kid from Stanford, Lacy and the RB from North Carolina whose name escapes me.

WR- We need a slot WR and we have dick for depth if Stokely retires. Caldwell is trash, Willis is trash etc. We need dynamic play makers on offense. IMHO there are two possible approaches. 1. Draft a WR in the first round (Williams, Hopkins, Hunter, Austin) and bump Decker to the slot, or 2. try to draft a slot receiver late. One intriguing possibility would be Denard Robinson with a 4th rounder.

TE- I don't think there is a dynamic play-making TE in this draft. Eifert is solid, but I don't think he's 1st round solid. The big kid from Stanford again will be a solid pro, but he doesn't scream superstar to me. I like the Escobar kid from SDSU as a sleeper. Again, he's another one of those under the radar non-BCS types. He's big (6'6 250) and pretty fast and with decent hands and he'll be there in the 4th or 5th round.

LT-Lock Clady down to a long term deal.
RT-Franklin is occasionally a little bit shaky in pass protection, but we're fine here.
C- Koppin is pretty much done and Walton is recovering from an injury and let's face it, not exactly a superstar when healthy. Barret Jones makes a lot of sense at the bottom of the 1st round. He could also swing over and play either guard position.

LG/RG- I really like Kupe, but he's coming off back to back brutal injuries. Beadles improved a lot this year, but I'd feel better if we upgraded and kept him as a utility backup lineman. Some teams will get stupid and start reaching for quarterbacks and or project 3-4 nose tackles in the first round. If that happens Cooper or Warmack could slip to us in the low 20's. If that happens it could be a real boon and go a long ways in improving the interior line depth of this team.

This sh*t is tiring and a bit depressing to think about. I'll give my 1 penny defense analysis tomorrow.

R8R H8R
01-13-2013, 09:52 PM
McCourty seemed to transition just fine to safety. I would like champ to move in the near future.

So did Tyrone Braxton. In fact, I seem to remember that he was about done as a cb, Jimmy Johnson cut him(I think), and Shanny pulled him off the streets and made him a safety. He was more than adequate at the time, and even had a good day on SB 32 while picking off Favre.

SlyEli
01-13-2013, 09:54 PM
I don't think cb is as big as a liability as people think. Hell, before the last game i think many would have argued that the broncos have the best group of corners in the NFL. Champ had a bad game, sure, and that will happen occasionally, corner is just that tough of a position. Harris and Champ are solid corners...it's disappointing that Porter had issues this year because he could have been the final piece...doubt he gets resigned. Carter is gutsy and made a couple plays but I'm not sold on him.

Middle linebacker is a big hole. Old man Brooking did okay and Joe Mays is pretty bad. Unfortunately there doesn't look to be a lot going on in free agency at the position. Not sure about the draft, but I'm not sold on te'o, especially after the bama game.

Vickerson and Bannan seemed to do a good job this year, and if I recall PFF had them pretty highly graded. Ty Warren would have been nice. I doubt they go this way in the draft.

Safety is something of a problem. The broncos haven't had a playmaker at the position in quite some time. Rahim improved on his horrendous rookie season to become a pretty good tackler, but he's still undersized and built like a center fielder, but doesn't seem to be able to play centerfield well. How many picks has he had? Adams is average and really adds nothing, and Quinton Carter is slow and coming off injury. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go for a safety in the draft.

As far as offense, I think they badly need a great running back. Moreno is a great second string back in the rotation, but he is not a great starter. He is a good starter and has good playmaking ability in the passing game, but his running still leaves something to be desired. McGahee is another solid second string type and probably has one year left. Hillman still has a ways to go before establishing himself as a number one back, but he improved as the season went on and is still young...The broncos are left with a stable of good, but not great backs. I think They'll take a gamble on someone in the middle rounds, but finding a great back isn't easy

Receiver seems pretty set, I think the offense could use a quick, little, speed guy at the slot though. Stokley had a good year but who knows if he'll be back. I think the broncos could benefit from picking up a guy like welker or amendola (not sure what guys are in the draft yet) who could make big plays and get wide open in this offense.

Rohirrim
01-13-2013, 10:45 PM
This draft sucks for ILBs. The Broncos might have to go to FA for an upgrade there.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 11:01 PM
I gotta go with running back. If we keep doing the Fox/McCoy conservative bull**** we need a real playmaker in the backfield. I just don't see how they can insist on playing the way they want to play without massively improving the position. This goes for many of our OL as well. Overall we have terrible personnel for the power running game they want to use.

eddie mac
01-13-2013, 11:21 PM
This draft sucks for ILBs. The Broncos might have to go to FA for an upgrade there.

They'll struggle there too, last year was the time to get a MLB not called Joe Mays.

All that's out there are.

Urlacher - basically done
Ellerbe - would he even fit a 4-3
Maulauga - had an awful year in Cincy
Vilma - see Urlacher
Brinkley - ****ing awful
Brad Jones - used to the 3-4, probably a WLB in 4-3
Bradie James - another 3-4 player all his life
Chase Blackburn - the Giants are looking for an upgrade too
Larry Foote - another 3-4 guy who's done
Larry Grant - unproven 3-4 ILB

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 11:32 PM
They'll struggle there too, last year was the time to get a MLB not called Joe Mays.

All that's out there are.

Urlacher - basically done
Ellerbe - would he even fit a 4-3
Maulauga - had an awful year in Cincy
Vilma - see Urlacher
Brinkley - ****ing awful
Brad Jones - used to the 3-4, probably a WLB in 4-3
Bradie James - another 3-4 player all his life
Chase Blackburn - the Giants are looking for an upgrade too
Larry Foote - another 3-4 guy who's done
Larry Grant - unproven 3-4 ILB

Ellerbe seems like a a good fit in a 4-3 (he played all three spots in a 4-3 in college). He's got the right build and he's pretty fast. Everyone else on that list would probably be little more than depth or a short-term band-aid like Brooking.

ZONA
01-14-2013, 02:45 AM
I gotta go with running back. If we keep doing the Fox/McCoy conservative bull**** we need a real playmaker in the backfield. I just don't see how they can insist on playing the way they want to play without massively improving the position. This goes for many of our OL as well. Overall we have terrible personnel for the power running game they want to use.

Here's the thing about getting a RB. Not saying we don't need one because WM is getting up there and KM has problems staying healthy. But look at the games today for example. The Pats have a no name in Vereen who just lit it up. Then you have a back who many think is one of the top 3 or 5 in Foster who pretty much got shut down. We also pretty much shut down Rice for the most part. I think AP separates himself from everybody else. Even with decent to bad blocking this guy can get 100 yards and then some. But he's the exception to the rule. I think play calling and blocking have alot more to do with RB's having big time production then most realize. How does NE run the ball so well with no names. Play calling and blocking. I thought our OL did a good job most of the season with pass blocking and fairly well in run blocking but run blocking was not a strength. We HAVE to get better with the run play schemes and plays themselves as we do with run blocking better.

ZONA
01-14-2013, 02:51 AM
Why are people voting multiple times with different answers each time? I think it was a pretty clear question. Which position would you take in round 1. Am I missing something here? Some votes 3 times. Pretty sure we don't have 3 first round picks. lol.

Ratboy
01-14-2013, 03:01 AM
Why are people voting multiple times with different answers each time? I think it was a pretty clear question. Which position would you take in round 1. Am I missing something here? Some votes 3 times. Pretty sure we don't have 3 first round picks. lol.


You are missing something. :kiss:

anon
01-14-2013, 03:13 AM
Shane Vereen was a college star at Cal (was behind Jahvid Best) and a second round pick by the Patriots. Not exactly a total no-name, but a talented back-up on a good team. It's also easier to be a RB when your QB is named Brady.

RBs matter: when we had Davis and Portis, our running game was much more consistent and deadly.

Here's the thing about getting a RB. Not saying we don't need one because WM is getting up there and KM has problems staying healthy. But look at the games today for example. The Pats have a no name in Vereen who just lit it up. Then you have a back who many think is one of the top 3 or 5 in Foster who pretty much got shut down. We also pretty much shut down Rice for the most part. I think AP separates himself from everybody else. Even with decent to bad blocking this guy can get 100 yards and then some. But he's the exception to the rule. I think play calling and blocking have alot more to do with RB's having big time production then most realize. How does NE run the ball so well with no names. Play calling and blocking. I thought our OL did a good job most of the season with pass blocking and fairly well in run blocking but run blocking was not a strength. We HAVE to get better with the run play schemes and plays themselves as we do with run blocking better.

TheReverend
01-14-2013, 06:00 AM
I'm hopeful we can draft another mediocre tweener player at a relative position of strength

Ray Finkle
01-14-2013, 06:04 AM
I think they need to focus on the center of both lines, MLB, and upgrade/better depth at WR, RB, DS.

2KBack
01-14-2013, 06:38 AM
Shane Vereen was a college star at Cal (was behind Jahvid Best) and a second round pick by the Patriots. Not exactly a total no-name, but a talented back-up on a good team. It's also easier to be a RB when your QB is named Brady.

RBs matter: when we had Davis and Portis, our running game was much more consistent and deadly.

Please don't tell me you just compared the Shanahan run system to this one. How on earth can people still try to pass that off as comparison analysis? That system takes scrubs and makes them good, and takes goods and makes them great. Using the Denver run game from 1995-2008 isn't an argument for better running backs, it's an argument for better blocking. It's an argument for better play calling regarding the run, it's an argument for a better system. I don't think Peyton would survive behind that system though.

2KBack
01-14-2013, 06:40 AM
btw Shane Vreen is the 3rd back....had a total of 400 yards from scrimmage. He plays behind 3rd round pick Ridley and Undrafted Woodhead

g6matty
01-14-2013, 06:47 AM
http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/files/2012/11/OgletreeSanderlin.JPG

BroncoInferno
01-14-2013, 07:35 AM
This draft sucks for ILBs. The Broncos might have to go to FA for an upgrade there.

Kevin Minter from LSU is a heck of a player and based on most projections I've seen, he should still be available when we pick.

BroncoInferno
01-14-2013, 07:39 AM
BPA (aside from QB, WR, SAM)

I would quibble with leaving out WR for BPA. We are set with Thomas and Decker as the starters, but Stokley is old and there is basically no depth at the position. I'd have no issue with Tavon Austin in the late 1st. He's a Percy Harvin type and would give the offense a big play guy I think we need.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-14-2013, 07:47 AM
We need a top running back. Fox is going to be conservative, that's not going to change. And as long as that's the case (forever) we're going to need a top-notch running back.

I voted to solidify the front/middle of our defense too, but if we go DT or MLB or RB in the first, as long as it's a quality player who can immediately contribute, I'll be pleased.

We don't have many holes to fill. We need to be able to win those battles for 3rd and 5 with a running back, apparently.

2KBack
01-14-2013, 07:55 AM
Kevin Minter from LSU is a heck of a player and based on most projections I've seen, he should still be available when we pick.

Minter is my top want. I think we schemed our way to having a credible defense with less than favorable options @ Mike. We don't need a superstar at the position but someone solid in all facets.

I'd like to see us get someone like Alan Branch or Glenn Dorsey in FA.

I still think we need interior Oline help/depth

I'm on many records wanting Cameron MArshall and Will Sutton later in the draft.

BroncoInferno
01-14-2013, 07:57 AM
I also think we could upgrade at safety...I like Matt Elam from Florida a lot. Reminds me a bit of Bob Sanders. Can play like an animal in the box, but a good coverage guy too with solid ball skills.

Rascal
01-14-2013, 07:59 AM
Looking at the team and I think we need some speed on offense. Maybe that's Hillman at RB, but I want another WR (obviously not a top need) to help stretch the field. Of course, can Peyton throw it deep enough is a question after this last game. Think we need to get stronger on the interior lines as well. Drafting a G/C wouldn't be a waste.

On defense:

I still think we need to get stronger at the point of attack. Vickerson/Bannan/Unrein did well, but I want a play maker who can command a double team.

Obviously MLB is a desperate need as well. Maybe they can restructure DJ (obviously can't retain him at his current cap number) and he can fill that need. Irving has played more, but I'm not sure we can rely on him either. And Fox doesn't start rookies. Unfortunately there isn't much available at FA, so DJ may be our best option.

I'm not sure what to think about CB/S. The team needs to decide what they are going to do with Champ and what he can handle. Can they move him to safety and team up with Moore? I think that will help out Moore, but I don't trust Carter/Harris enough to match up against teams top WRs. I'm not sure whats available in FA, but I can see a draft pick going to CB/S depending on what the team plans to do with Champ.

So: G/C, DT, MLB, CB/S, WR (not ranked).

B-Large
01-14-2013, 08:05 AM
We need a top running back. Fox is going to be conservative, that's not going to change. And as long as that's the case (forever) we're going to need a top-notch running back.

I voted to solidify the front/middle of our defense too, but if we go DT or MLB or RB in the first, as long as it's a quality player who can immediately contribute, I'll be pleased.

We don't have many holes to fill. We need to be able to win those battles for 3rd and 5 with a running back, apparently.

I agree 100% here, if you have a HOFer at QB, 3rd and 7 and you are going to run the ball, we'll have to commit to the running game and consistently be on the look in the draft and FA for more durable group of backs. Our current line-up is looking slim, Moreno is easily dinged, Hillman is not a 3rd and pound kind of back, and I think Willis is probably done... maybe not, but he's been banged up alot...

I'd also like to see the Broncos go after a guy like Jairus Byrd if he is not Franchise Tagged by the Bills. Seeing the pefromance Saturday by our secondary makes me believe we need a fast, hawking Safety that has a proven record in the NFL to replace the ok talent we have at thos positions right now.

As always, I am a BPA kind of guy. Don't care if it is a RB, Receiver, DB, Lineman, don't care, you take the most talent player on the board. If you pick at 27 and the guy on your board is able to be had later, trade back. I am not a fill holes kind of guy, I wanted the deepest talented roster, I can fill in holes with FA and UDFA is needed.

TheReverend
01-14-2013, 08:29 AM
I'm expecting Minter's stock to rise by April and for him to be long out of reach.

Would be ecstatic if he's available and selected, though.

BroncoInferno
01-14-2013, 08:36 AM
I'm expecting Minter's stock to rise by April and for him to be long out of reach.

Would be ecstatic if he's available and selected, though.

You could be right, but I have yet to see a source that has him projected in the 1st round. So, his stock may rise, but hopefully that rise won't get him picked before #28.

Rohirrim
01-14-2013, 08:39 AM
I think what will help the team the most is a big guy who can make a difference up front (on either side of the ball) with that #28 pick. I just believe in the fundamental truth that you improve a team by improving the lines. I would be happy with Barrett Jones, OG/C or Sharrif Floyd, DT. Either guy makes the team better. I just don't believe Minter will be there when we pick. Ogletree might, but then you ask yourself would he be any better than DJ?

TheReverend
01-14-2013, 08:48 AM
You could be right, but I have yet to see a source that has him projected in the 1st round. So, his stock may rise, but hopefully that rise won't get him picked before #28.

It's January...

If he runs in the 4.5s (and I'm betting he can and will), he'll probably go teens.

Here's a fun bold claim: I'll bet you he leap frogs Teo come April.

BroncoInferno
01-14-2013, 08:56 AM
It's January...

If he runs in the 4.5s (and I'm betting he can and will), he'll probably go teens.

Here's a fun bold claim: I'll bet you he leap frogs Teo come April.

You may be right after Teo's awful game against Alabama. Question: if Teo takes a free-fall and falls into our lap (or slides into close enough range to trade up without having to give too much), would you want him? Seems that bandwaggon has been emptying out big time.

TheReverend
01-14-2013, 08:59 AM
You may be right after Teo's awful game against Alabama. Question: if Teo takes a free-fall and falls into our lap (or slides into close enough range to trade up without having to give too much), would you want him? Seems that bandwaggon has been emptying out big time.

Yes. I love grabbing players that fall because they were overscouted.

If we're going to continue to be man coverage heavy, we REALLY need an in your face physical corner, too.

socalorado
01-14-2013, 09:03 AM
It's January...

If he runs in the 4.5s (and I'm betting he can and will), he'll probably go teens.

Here's a fun bold claim: I'll bet you he leap frogs Teo come April.

I dont think so. So who falls then? I just cant see his stock rising so high compared to team needs and other slam dunk players that he will rise really high. BALT would love him, but DEN doesnt need to worry about that now.
Xavier Rhodes or Jordan Poyer are the other 2 players i think DEN needs to really look at. Time to replace Champ. Yes, its time. TE Tyler Eifert is intrugiung too.

Tombstone RJ
01-14-2013, 09:36 AM
http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/files/2012/11/OgletreeSanderlin.JPG

Not sure he will be around when the Broncos pick.

Tombstone RJ
01-14-2013, 09:49 AM
Yes. I love grabbing players that fall because they were overscouted.

If we're going to continue to be man coverage heavy, we REALLY need an in your face physical corner, too.

That would be unreal if the Broncos got Te'o and a solid CB. Then the Broncos should go ahead and draft another DT. The dline played pretty good but the Broncos still get little to no pressure up the middle.

I think Bailey needs to move to safety. His performance in the the ratbirds game was just horrid. They were targeting Bailey and beating Bailey consistently. Time to draft another CB and transition Bailey to safety. Even if Bailey doesn't want to make the move you draft his replacement anyway to let him know he's got to get ready for the move.

Get some friggen pressure on the interior of the defensive line too. That's the one thing that Ty Warren would have given the Broncos and perhaps, Wolfe will develop into that type of player ala JJ Watt. But the Broncos need a Watt kind of DT on the inside.

If the Broncos got those three types of players (MLB, CB, DT) and some interior Oline help, I'd be very pleased with the draft. Then spend the late rounds on project guys with upside like RB, WR, TE.

Play2win
01-14-2013, 10:44 AM
If available, Barrett Jones in the first, then follow up with Lacy in the second.

That would do us a world of good. It would give us a good stable of backs, and real strength upfront. It would make Manning at least twice as effective.

oubronco
01-14-2013, 11:22 AM
BPA of C,G,DT,S,MLB,RB and not in that order

Bronco Yoda
01-14-2013, 11:28 AM
Mark me down for over hyped flava clown.

Rohirrim
01-14-2013, 11:32 AM
I'd rather we moved Champ to safety and roll the dice on Brent Grimes in FA, depending on medical reports. His price won't be exorbitant and if he's completely recovered, he would be a much better solution than bringing in a rookie.