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SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 02:51 PM
BROKEN RECORD ALERT!

But i just feel the need.

I've never seen a fanbase turn on its best player so quickly. Obviously this doesn't go for all of you, but a lot are placing the blame on Manning and I have no clue why.

Yes, he wasn't perfect yesterday. Far from it. But, as ive said a bunch, he had a 100 rating going into that last Raven drive. He lead a beautiful drive to put us up 35-28. And, again, the Broncos win chances were 97.2 percent when Flacco let go of his hail mary or whatever you wanna call it. Again, we lost on a fluke play.

This guy transformed our team into a contender. Had that fluke play not happened, we'd all be talking about Peyton's good, but not perfect game and his gutty performance in some awful conditions (it was beyond cold in that stadium).

But, instead, a lot of you are whining and bitching, and at least one of you would like to see Brock Osweiler as our QB next year.

Yes, he wasn't PERFECT, but if you're pointing fingers for yesterdays loss, you're gonna need to get to the second hand before you point to Peyton.

spdirty
01-13-2013, 02:53 PM
I agree.

ThirtyDegrees
01-13-2013, 02:54 PM
All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 02:56 PM
All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

Not the point.

AGAIN. 100 rating, 3 tds before that Flacco heave.

Also, if we're talkng about the turnovers...one was on a tipped pass when deck got mugged, and one should have never occured (though it was a **** throw), because the game should have been over.

he was not perfect, but would you really want someone else guiding the broncos next season? If the answer is yes, you're ****ing crazy.

Rohirrim
01-13-2013, 03:00 PM
Other than Trindon Holliday, it was a team-wide choke job, including the coaching staff. It seemed to me that after that bogus PI call on Carter in the first half, the steam just went out of the team. From that moment on, they were waiting for disaster, instead of fighting for glory. Manning was part of that failure as well, but not all of it, by any means. If I had to say who was number one in the blame column, I would have to say the D, and especially the secondary starring Champ Bailey. What a pathetic performance.

On the other hand, you've got to underscore how important the loss of Moreno was. That was a critical loss to the offense.

RedEyedJeti
01-13-2013, 03:00 PM
What a joke of a fanbase.

SoCalBronco
01-13-2013, 03:01 PM
He was great this year.

His play yesterday wasn't too hot.

It was a factor in the loss.

We wasted a huge chance for a 3rd ring.

People will be pissed for months and he along with others will receive some blame and anger.

Deal with it. It's not going away. Let it go. This is actually fairly mild.

ThirtyDegrees
01-13-2013, 03:01 PM
Not the point.

AGAIN. 100 rating, 3 tds before that Flacco heave.

Also, if we're talkng about the turnovers...one was on a tipped pass when deck got mugged, and one should have never occured (though it was a **** throw), because the game should have been over.

he was not perfect, but would you really want someone else guiding the broncos next season? If the answer is yes, you're ****ing crazy.

It is the point.

I'm sick and tired of watching the Peyton defenders exert themselves trying desperately to move the goalposts as far as possible.

He was supposed to make this team a Super Bowl contender, that was the entire argument from the moment you idiots threw Tebow under the bus.

Manning was supposed to turn this team immediately into a Super Bowl threat, and he hasn't.

The reality is that he's incapable of winning a Super Bowl in his current state, he's not as good as Brady, or Rodgers, or even Russell Wilson at this point.

I doubt the Broncos can get a better QB than Manning at this point, but they need to start looking as soon as possible.

jmz313
01-13-2013, 03:03 PM
35 points.... No one would of thought the broncos would lose if they scored 35 points. Team effort to screw up that much. Manning played good enough to win but made a few mistakes to aid in a loss.

Any given Sunday.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 03:04 PM
It is the point.

I'm sick and tired of watching the Peyton defenders exert themselves trying desperately to move the goalposts as far as possible.

He was supposed to make this team a Super Bowl contender, that was the entire argument from the moment you idiots threw Tebow under the bus.

Manning was supposed to turn this team immediately into a Super Bowl threat, and he hasn't.

The reality is that he's incapable of winning a Super Bowl in his current state, he's not as good as Brady, or Rodgers, or even Russell Wilson at this point.

I doubt the Broncos can get a better QB than Manning at this point, but they need to start looking as soon as possible.

The Broncos should be so lucky to have 50 years with a Peyton-esque QB. He's a great player, and I look forward to watching him lead us next season.

Im still in disbelief that anyone would think otherwise. And, as ive said a gazillion times, had the broncos played a lick of D on that last drive, this conversation isn't happening and we're all happy with him.

I understand SoCal's point. People are pissed. I get why they are pissed. Doesn't mean they are being rational.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 03:05 PM
Oh and as someone brought up yesterday, Elway had the same monkey on his back at the same age...under the same circumstances. Then again, Peyton has already WON a super bowl.
All this is very non sensical to me.

Ratboy
01-13-2013, 03:06 PM
What a joke of a fanbase.

This has all you have been posting. I hope a mod steps up and bans you for trolling.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 03:08 PM
All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

Do you belong to a Jets forum?

Rohirrim
01-13-2013, 03:08 PM
I'll tell you one thing, I will not trust this team next year, and I will not be involved emotionally as much as I was this year. Can I trust them to go 16 and O and then not fold in the first playoff game? No.

Unless they get lucky and pick up another Terrell Davis in the 6th round. ;D

Smilin Assassin
01-13-2013, 03:08 PM
I don't think it's the fan base going after Peyton.

Just some internet posters who can't deal. I think, as a whole, the Broncos fan base knows we have a good thing here. Some of us just deal w/disappointment better than others.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 03:10 PM
I don't think it's the fan base going after Peyton.

Just some internet posters who can't deal. I think, as a whole, the Broncos fan base knows we have a good thing here. Some of us just deal w/disappointment better than others.

I think you're probably right. Just getting sick of reading all the responses. I'm just still not over the game, if i was, i wouldnt care so much

RedskinBronco
01-13-2013, 03:11 PM
Team wide choke job. Everyone is to blame except Holliday and the special teams play in general.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 03:12 PM
What a joke of a fanbase.

Bro, I have found some of the posters on the mane are very knowledgeable and some are very welcoming. You have your sour apples anywhere. I think as we are all disappointed and upset with the loss, that some of the forum has turned on Manning, but after a loss would you expect anything less? Especially after he had a couple of turnovers, bull**** or not.

LetsGoBroncos
01-13-2013, 03:16 PM
All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

False. First one was PI and the refs didn't call it

go_broncos
01-13-2013, 03:16 PM
Manning is never a good playoff QB..If not for our great shanny and it's defense, his records would have been pathetic.
His play drops drastically once playoff starts. compared to his brother who is clutch in playoffs.

Smilin Assassin
01-13-2013, 03:19 PM
Stuck around an hour and a half after a devastating loss just to congratulate Ray Lewis.

Pure class.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 03:20 PM
I know it fits a neat little narrative to blame him and cite his playoff record, etc etc, but football games have tons of variables. Sorry, i just choose to look at it from a lot of angles other than "well, the broncos lost, Peyton's the QB, must be his fault."

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 03:22 PM
False. First one was PI and the refs didn't call it

And the fumble should have been the tuck rule.

spdirty
01-13-2013, 03:24 PM
I'll tell you one thing, I will not trust this team next year, and I will not be involved emotionally as much as I was this year. Can I trust them to go 16 and O and then not fold in the first playoff game? No.

Unless they get lucky and pick up another Terrell Davis in the 6th round. ;D

Yep. Kind of hope that next year we get the 3rd or 4th seed. Then I won't get my hopes up so much. We go 13-3 again then we're ****ed.

go_broncos
01-13-2013, 03:26 PM
I know it fits a neat little narrative to blame him and cite his playoff record, etc etc, but football games have tons of variables. Sorry, i just choose to look at it from a lot of angles other than "well, the broncos lost, Peyton's the QB, must be his fault."

There's a reason why everyone brings up his playoff record..His play drastically reduces..He will be one of the factor in the losing cause.
He didn't even play well when indy won SB.
He is 0-4 when the temperate is 40F or less.
He can't play in snow/cold temperatures.

The same can be said about John Fox , Marty, Favre, Tony Romo etc..
These guys screw up during pressure situations.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 03:29 PM
There's a reason why everyone brings up his playoff record..His play drastically reduces..He will be one of the factor in the losing cause.
He didn't even play well when indy won SB.
He is 0-4 when the temperate is 40F or less.
He can't play in snow/cold temperatures.

The same can be said about John Fox , Marty, Favre, Tony Romo etc..
These guys screw up during pressure situations.

I'd buy this more if he had a 40 rating and 5 picks

As i said above, 97.2 chance they win the game until flacco throws that fluke. And I know SoCal doesn't like when i bring up the rating (he's entitled), but he had a hundred rating going into that same drive!! He "can't" play in cold temps? Or he didnt go 27-28 for 5000 yards and 40 tds? You're scapegoating.

Plus, wtf is this dumbass 40 degree stat. Why that arbitrary number. And its an epically low sample size that doesnt include his regular season starts in similar conditions.

winstoncup bronco
01-13-2013, 03:31 PM
I know it fits a neat little narrative to blame him and cite his playoff record, etc etc, but football games have tons of variables. Sorry, i just choose to look at it from a lot of angles other than "well, the broncos lost, Peyton's the QB, must be his fault."

No one is taking that approach, and no one is saying Manning is reason #1 we lost. To say, however, that he's one of the last to blame is equally incorrect.

Manning had 3 turnovers - fact

Manning, for whatever reason, never challenged downfield - fact

Manning had two possesions in OT, and barely moved the ball - fact

You keep bragging about this 100 QBR that he may or may not have had in regulation, but on ESPN boxscore, he finished with a QBR of 88. If that is true, what the hell was his passer rating in OT to cause such a huge drop?

Elway earned his rep as winning games he shouldn't have, leading 3 very medicore teams to well above and beyond where they should have went. If Manning had 1/3 of Elway's balls, he'd have about 5 rings by now, so stop with the Elway comparisons.

The offense only scored 21 points, at home. If anything, the fact that Holliday kept it close has saved Manning from further criticism, since we would have been blown out otherwise.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 03:36 PM
No one is taking that approach, and no one is saying Manning is reason #1 we lost. To say, however, that he's one of the last to blame is equally incorrect.

Manning had 3 turnovers - fact

Manning, for whatever reason, never challenged downfield - fact

Manning had two possesions in OT, and barely moved the ball - fact

You keep bragging about this 100 QBR that he may or may not have had in regulation, but on ESPN boxscore, he finished with a QBR of 88. If that is true, what the hell was his passer rating in OT to cause such a huge drop?

Elway earned his rep as winning games he shouldn't have, leading 3 very medicore teams to well above and beyond where they should have went. If Manning had 1/3 of Elway's balls, he'd have about 5 rings by now, so stop with the Elway comparisons.

The offense only scored 21 points, at home. If anything, the fact that Holliday kept it close has saved Manning from further criticism, since we would have been blown out otherwise.

Espn's QBR and the NFL's passer rating are two different things.

Whatever, we can argue this till we're blue in the face, but he was our best player this season, the reason we were here, and he didn't play HORRIBLY like many are suggesting by blaming (and lots of people are directing their blame at him and thats not fair when it was a ****ty team effort.).

And the turnovers thing is starting to annoy the **** out of me. The decker pass went through his hands, he was mugged on the play, and it was a deflection.

I never fully blame QB's for their fumbles. Yes, they should be aware, but its the QB's job to look downfield. Why is the offensive line, which was terrible in the second half, getting off free? And yes, the third pick was a horrible horrible throw. And there should never have been an overtime.

I dont know that ungrateful is a word, but its the only word i can think of when i read all this ****.

I will personally continue to point to the defense as the reason we lost the game. 3 long touchdowns (one a completely fluke, epically horrible play) was the reason we lost this game. The Broncos put up 35 points. We should win any game when that happens.

go_broncos
01-13-2013, 03:37 PM
I'd buy this more if he had a 40 rating and 5 picks

As i said above, 97.2 chance they win the game until flacco throws that fluke. And I know SoCal doesn't like when i bring up the rating (he's entitled), but he had a hundred rating going into that same drive!! He "can't" play in cold temps? Or he didnt go 27-28 for 5000 yards and 40 tds? You're scapegoating.

Plus, wtf is this dumbass 40 degree stat. Why that arbitrary number. And its an epically low sample size that doesnt include his regular season starts in similar conditions.

I know..the same can be said about Favre and Romo.
Right now, we don't have any other option except giving him couple more years.

Please don't bring regular season stats..To me, he is the best QB during regular season. Once playoff starts, i don't trust him.
Added to that we have conservative coach like Fox..
Elway has to cut Mccoy and get offensive coordinator like Norv.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 03:39 PM
I know..the same can be said about Favre and Romo.
Right now, we don't have any other option except giving him couple more years.

Please don't bring regular season stats..To me, he is the best QB during regular season. Once playoff starts, i don't trust him.
Added to that we have conservative coach like Fox..
Elway has to cut Mccoy and get offensive coordinator like Norv.

HES A GREAT ****ING OPTION TO HAVE.

Whatever. I'm turning off my cmputer for a while. This is all absurd to me. I won't understand it, ill never understand it.

And, by the way, Norv Turner is an Air Coryell guy. He doesnt fit into what we do.

winstoncup bronco
01-13-2013, 03:47 PM
I know..the same can be said about Favre and Romo.
Right now, we don't have any other option except giving him couple more years.

Please don't bring regular season stats..To me, he is the best QB during regular season. Once playoff starts, i don't trust him.
Added to that we have conservative coach like Fox..
Elway has to cut Mccoy and get offensive coordinator like Norv.

I have to agree with this.

Manning just wasn't the same yetserday like he was in the regular season. The offense only put up 21 at home. The 35 is misleading. He came into town with a rep of having MVP regular seasons, and not so great postseasons.

Fox came into town with a rep of being too conervative to win a championship.

Both of them did nothing yesterday to dispel those notions.

To put it bluntly, until they can win a championship, I won't believe they can. I will doubt them until they prove otherwise. Sorry, that is just the way I feel.

I couldn't care less what the stats are. Stats are for losers. Winning is what counts.

maher_tyler
01-13-2013, 03:54 PM
All three turnovers were his fault.

Talk all you want about how close the game was, but the only reason it was as close as it was and not a blow out by the Ravens was because Trindon Holliday put up 14 points because Manning's offense was inept.

I guess you missed the PI on the pick 6. Kinda hard to catch the ball when you're getting hit before the ball gets there. The other one wasn't even a fumble. Basing that off the Tuck Rule. Every other game I have watched has been refed completely different. I'm seeing things we were flagged for that other teams are not. It was an all around bad game but there's no doubt the refs played a role in the out come of our game!

fontaine
01-13-2013, 04:02 PM
It just didn't work out for us in the end.

But that being said I'm proud of this team, it's players and staff. I'm sticking with guys like Manning, Fox, Champ, yes even Rahim Moore.

It stings but my love for this team hasn't dimished.

Not one bit.

hades
01-13-2013, 04:02 PM
Wasn't there a few posts about how Manning did great in Indy with no defense to aid him, and this year he has a great defense? Well, that great defense was a no show Saturday. He did enough to get us a win IMO, special teams scores or not, we don't know if Trindon had a decent return instead of a TD, Manning coulda drove us down for a score. We'll never know, but it certainly could have happened.

I still blame it on the calls to run, run, run, punt to try and kill the clock. Let him throw a 5 yard dump on second down, maybe it softens them up for a third down run, maybe not. Our run game sucked the second half, I just knew we would not be able to run the clock out of time by running for a first down.

Rohirrim
01-13-2013, 04:08 PM
I guess you missed the PI on the pick 6. Kinda hard to catch the ball when you're getting hit before the ball gets there. The other one wasn't even a fumble. Basing that off the Tuck Rule. Every other game I have watched has been refed completely different. I'm seeing things we were flagged for that other teams are not. It was an all around bad game but there's no doubt the refs played a role in the out come of our game!

It was like the NFL picked the worst crew in the NFL just for us. The scabs called better games.

Broncos dude
01-13-2013, 04:12 PM
There's a reason why everyone brings up his playoff record..His play drastically reduces..He will be one of the factor in the losing cause.
He didn't even play well when indy won SB.
He is 0-4 when the temperate is 40F or less.
He can't play in snow/cold temperatures.

The same can be said about John Fox , Marty, Favre, Tony Romo etc..
These guys screw up during pressure situations.

Would you rather have #15 there? We wouldn't even have this conversation

RaiderH8r
01-13-2013, 04:30 PM
Peyton's measuring stick is whether or not we win titles. Year one is in the books and the ruling is....FAILURE.

Not only did he not win he shepherded one of the more stunning postseason upsets in NFL playoff history. Nice job boys. Enjoy Disneyland. Never mind, Disneyland is for winners. Pickem Manning will be headed to the Boone County fair in Indiana.

BroncoMan4ever
01-13-2013, 04:31 PM
BROKEN RECORD ALERT!

But i just feel the need.

I've never seen a fanbase turn on its best player so quickly. Obviously this doesn't go for all of you, but a lot are placing the blame on Manning and I have no clue why.

Yes, he wasn't perfect yesterday. Far from it. But, as ive said a bunch, he had a 100 rating going into that last Raven drive. He lead a beautiful drive to put us up 35-28. And, again, the Broncos win chances were 97.2 percent when Flacco let go of his hail mary or whatever you wanna call it. Again, we lost on a fluke play.

This guy transformed our team into a contender. Had that fluke play not happened, we'd all be talking about Peyton's good, but not perfect game and his gutty performance in some awful conditions (it was beyond cold in that stadium).

But, instead, a lot of you are whining and b****ing, and at least one of you would like to see Brock Osweiler as our QB next year.

Yes, he wasn't PERFECT, but if you're pointing fingers for yesterdays loss, you're gonna need to get to the second hand before you point to Peyton.

Thank you.

****ing bandwagon asshole fans blowing him all season and then calling him trash now. And thanks to Peyton this team is no longer a laughingstock and for the first time since Elway retired there is true cause for optimism going into next season.

We know where we are weak and what address this offseason. Need a dominant DT, speed at receiver and a MLB.

And those saying Champ needs a position change, pull your heads out of your asses. He is still a top 10 corner in the league. Just next season no more covering guys with 4.3 speed. He will lock down a receiver but needs to not cover speed guys or needs help over the top

Popps
01-13-2013, 04:48 PM
Manning won the game for us. He did his job at the end of the game, and the f###-brains out there in our secondary couldn't manage to simply stay between the endzone... and a dude.

Good god, at least interfere with him if you can't do your job.


Thanks for the great season, Peyton. Look forward to next year.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 05:54 PM
I know it fits a neat little narrative to blame him and cite his playoff record, etc etc, but football games have tons of variables. Sorry, i just choose to look at it from a lot of angles other than "well, the broncos lost, Peyton's the QB, must be his fault."

Obviously the loss is the fault of a lot of people, but let's not pretend that he didn't throw a monumentally stupid pass at the end of the game that killed any chance of us winning. It was the polar opposite of the "clutch" play you expect from a HoF QB, and it's been a pattern with the guy his entire career. The truth often hurts, but that doesn't mean it isn't the truth. Manning is almost certainly not going to lead us to any championships unless you are banking on a tiger changing its stripes.

Toshiro Takashi
01-13-2013, 06:09 PM
Then again, Peyton has already WON a super bowl.
LOL...You sorry ass clowns are ****ing delusional. Hilarious!Hilarious!

The Colts won that Superbowl IN SPITE of Peyton Manning. He threw 7 picks and only 3 TDs that postseason.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-13-2013, 06:22 PM
Great thread.

What's funny is these clown bozos are venting on manning cause they are still butthurt about tebow. The loudest ones are pure tebow fans. That loss isn't on manning. He didnt even get the chance to convert the biggest 3rd down of the game.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-13-2013, 06:23 PM
LOL...You sorry ass clowns are ****ing delusional. Hilarious!Hilarious!

The Colts won that Superbowl IN SPITE of Peyton Manning. He threw 7 picks and only 3 TDs that postseason.

So you are saying that 2nd half championship game was NOT the reason they went to the SB??

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-13-2013, 06:30 PM
Manning DID his job. He drove the broncos on a GAME WINNING drive. 10 plays 88 ****ing yards. That was supposed to be the game winning drive if it wasn't for a scared HC and a ridiculously stupid safety.

They keep them from scoring at the end and this 88 yard drive turns into one of the most historic drives in bronco history.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 06:30 PM
Great thread.

What's funny is these clown bozos are venting on manning cause they are still butthurt about tebow. The loudest ones are pure tebow fans. That loss isn't on manning. He didnt even get the chance to convert the biggest 3rd down of the game.

Dude, take the Tebow **** elsewhere. This has nothing to do with Tebow you ****ing twit. This is about Manning pulling a Cutler in overtime while only producing 21 points all day. You people can keep blowing sunshine up each other's asses all you want, but the bottom line is that this quintessential playoff Manning. Trying to deny it just makes you people look delusional.

Gutless Drunk
01-13-2013, 06:31 PM
In a quiet moment outside the Broncos' locker room Sunday, Peyton Manning revealed a peek inside his ever-whirring mind.

Not surprisingly, much of his thoughts were on what he and his Broncos could have done differently to avoid their 38-35, double overtime playoff loss Saturday to Baltimore.

But also true to the Manning mind, the quarterback was buoyed by how the single-digit temperatures that fell upon Sports Authority Field at Mile High enabled him to get a jump on his preparation for the next time he faces such
conditions.

"That was another good hurdle for me," Manning said in an interview with The Denver Post. "Weather-wise, we had not had anything like that all season. There was some unknown going into that game. You can't simulate it. I tried everything from putting my hand in a freezing tank. But you just can't simulate it.

"Next year, the Super Bowl's in New York. So that was a good hurdle for me to be effective in those type of conditions."

Wait a minute. He put his passing hand in a freeze tank?

Turns out, he can skip the freezer next year. Manning discovered the benefits of wearing a glove on his passing hand this season, which makes him confident the next time the Broncos reach the playoffs and he did make reference to Super Bowl XLVIII at his brother Eli's home Meadowlands Stadium next season he will be ready for the elements.

"I'll tell you, our fans, they were All Pros yesterday," Manning said. "Sticking through that weather. Loud til the end. But no surprise. I always said that about playing here as an opponent that Denver Bronco fans get it. We're disappointed right there with them.

"I assure you, we worked hard and did everything we could. I know everyone would like to do some things different in the game."

Read more: Peyton Manning talks Broncos upset, looks toward New York Super Bowl - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22366586/peyton-manning-broncos-upset-new-york-super-bowl#ixzz2Hug6r7Ui
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Al Wilson
01-13-2013, 06:32 PM
I think Manning had a good game. The first INT wasn't his fault; it was tipped. The defense allowed 28 points, and some of the playcalling was horrid. A lot of the blame has to fall on the coaches. I thought Manning was having a good game until his last interception. If you want to blame this loss on someone then most of you should be blaming John Fox and the rest of his puppets.

go_broncos
01-13-2013, 06:33 PM
let's win one playoff game before talking about SB.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-13-2013, 06:33 PM
Dude, take the Tebow **** elsewhere. This has nothing to do with Tebow you ****ing twit. This is about Manning pulling a Cutler in overtime while only producing 21 points all day. You people can keep blowing sunshine up each other's asses all you want, but the bottom line is that this quintessential playoff Manning. Trying to deny it just makes you people look delusional.

Bull****. All these stupid threads bashing manning are started by tebow lovers. Hell how many new threads have tebow in the title?? It has everything to do with it when the OP is questioning our STUPID fanbase. It's the biggest reason.

fdf
01-13-2013, 09:43 PM
BROKEN RECORD ALERT!

But i just feel the need.

I've never seen a fanbase turn on its best player so quickly. Obviously this doesn't go for all of you, but a lot are placing the blame on Manning and I have no clue why.

Yes, he wasn't perfect yesterday. Far from it. But, as ive said a bunch, he had a 100 rating going into that last Raven drive. He lead a beautiful drive to put us up 35-28. And, again, the Broncos win chances were 97.2 percent when Flacco let go of his hail mary or whatever you wanna call it. Again, we lost on a fluke play.

This guy transformed our team into a contender. Had that fluke play not happened, we'd all be talking about Peyton's good, but not perfect game and his gutty performance in some awful conditions (it was beyond cold in that stadium).

But, instead, a lot of you are whining and b****ing, and at least one of you would like to see Brock Osweiler as our QB next year.

Yes, he wasn't PERFECT, but if you're pointing fingers for yesterdays loss, you're gonna need to get to the second hand before you point to Peyton.

I agree. He did a good job even though his OL was breaking down in pass protection most of the night. The OL had their tails between their legs most of the game.

Imagine had we been with Tebow. And then thank the Lord we have Manning. Without Manning that was a 38-14 game yesterday.

peacepipe
01-13-2013, 10:02 PM
What's annoying is trolls like 30 only showing up to bitch. You never hear from them during the season for example,30 hasn't posted since 09/12 when he was saying DT should be cut & that PM basically sucks. He's nowhere to be found when we're doing well.

BroncoBeavis
01-13-2013, 10:05 PM
Other than Trindon Holliday, it was a team-wide choke job, including the coaching staff. It seemed to me that after that bogus PI call on Carter in the first half, the steam just went out of the team. From that moment on, they were waiting for disaster, instead of fighting for glory. Manning was part of that failure as well, but not all of it, by any means. If I had to say who was number one in the blame column, I would have to say the D, and especially the secondary starring Champ Bailey. What a pathetic performance.

On the other hand, you've got to underscore how important the loss of Moreno was. That was a critical loss to the offense.

We lacked edge on both sides of the ball. But its hard to have an edge with a game plan so conservative it made Ron Paul blush. We kept standing pat waiting for the Ravens to fold. We should've been cranking the pressure.

Both coordinators and Foxy own the lions share of the blame.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 10:09 PM
Bull****. All these stupid threads bashing manning are started by tebow lovers. Hell how many new threads have tebow in the title?? It has everything to do with it when the OP is questioning our STUPID fanbase. It's the biggest reason.

Do you honestly believe Manning is a good playoff QB? And do you honestly believe that last interception was anything other than Manning choking in a big-time situation? These are the questions many of us are asking. I'm sorry if you and SonOf can't bring yourselves to ask or answer such questions for yourselves, but that's your issue not ours.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 10:14 PM
We lacked edge on both sides of the ball. But its hard to have an edge with a game plan so conservative it made Ron Paul blush. We kept standing pat waiting for the Ravens to fold. We should've been cranking the pressure.

Both coordinators and Foxy own the lions share of the blame.

This I agree with. When it comes to football players your going to have bad games, individually and as a team, but the mistakes Fox and Co. made are the kinds of mistakes that reveal the type of coaching a team really has. For the Broncos it revealed that our coaching staff has virtually no chance of ever winning anything meaningful. The right coaches and game-planning might be able to get Manning out of his playoff funk, but Fox and McCoy make it worse by playing not to lose rather than playing to win.

Hulamau
01-13-2013, 11:02 PM
BROKEN RECORD ALERT!

But i just feel the need.

I've never seen a fanbase turn on its best player so quickly. Obviously this doesn't go for all of you, but a lot are placing the blame on Manning and I have no clue why.

Yes, he wasn't perfect yesterday. Far from it. But, as ive said a bunch, he had a 100 rating going into that last Raven drive. He lead a beautiful drive to put us up 35-28. And, again, the Broncos win chances were 97.2 percent when Flacco let go of his hail mary or whatever you wanna call it. Again, we lost on a fluke play.

This guy transformed our team into a contender. Had that fluke play not happened, we'd all be talking about Peyton's good, but not perfect game and his gutty performance in some awful conditions (it was beyond cold in that stadium).

But, instead, a lot of you are whining and b****ing, and at least one of you would like to see Brock Osweiler as our QB next year.

Yes, he wasn't PERFECT, but if you're pointing fingers for yesterdays loss, you're gonna need to get to the second hand before you point to Peyton.


Anyone who is dissing on Manning and blaming him for that loss yesterday when he had WON the game, had our coaches had the balls to let him seal the win and had Rahim not gone to sleep at the wheel when the coaches gave the ball back to the Ravens instead of letting Manning end it all in regulation, are truly first order numbskulls!!

Anyone who seriously is calling for dumping Manning now is totally short sighted, spoiled and utterly ignorant about football and what gives a team the chance for a season like ours! I don't even want to discuss it, even trying to go there would be like trying to teach English to a Neanderthal...

Hulamau
01-13-2013, 11:06 PM
Manning won the game for us. He did his job at the end of the game, and the f###-brains out there in our secondary couldn't manage to simply stay between the endzone... and a dude.

Good god, at least interfere with him if you can't do your job.


Thanks for the great season, Peyton. Look forward to next year.

And I second the motion top to bottom!!

Fedaykin
01-13-2013, 11:15 PM
Manning deserves considerable blame for the loss in OT, but he had WON the game for us with a go ahead touchdown in the 4th. There is still no one available I'd rather have at the helm next year.

The only person I want gone is Rahim "Pop Warner" Moore. Not because he screwed up, but because of WHY, by his own admission, he screwed up. Had we any half decent safety who just does his job instead of going for personal glory back there and we're on our way to the AFCCG instead of talking about next year.

Armchair Bronco
01-13-2013, 11:15 PM
Manning is a rental QB and a playoff choker. He's on the tail end of his career.

He also proved to me yesterday that he's the perfect match for someone like Fox because he's also a playoff p***Y.

He'll retire as a 1-time Super Bowl winner, with a lot of great statistical records just like Dan Marino. But he will never be a clutch post-season performer in my book. Yesterday proved that to me.

Frankly, I don't care whether Fox called for a run on 3rd and 7 or whether Manning audibled into a run up the gut for zero yards on 3rd and 7. Both of them should be ashamed of themselves.

Manning could have had a Jordanesque moment and used his $90 million arm to propel the Broncos the the Conference Championship game. Instead, he (with the full blessing of Fox, I'm sure) handed the ball off to rookie Ronnie Hillman, the NFL's youngest player, when the season hung in the balance.

No guts, no glory.

anon
01-14-2013, 12:14 AM
Manning had just as big of a brain fart as Rahim Moore. What was his reason for throwing a very risky, physically difficult pass on 2nd and 6?

Yes, we wouldn't have been 13-3 without him. That is absolutely true. But that last interception was a terrible play, not quite as bad as Moore's play, but pretty bad. In a game with so many mistakes, if one were to single out plays that "lost it" for us, the OT interception would be near the top.




Manning is a rental QB and a playoff choker. He's on the tail end of his career.

He also proved to me yesterday that he's the perfect match for someone like Fox because he's also a playoff p***Y.

He'll retire as a 1-time Super Bowl winner, with a lot of great statistical records just like Dan Marino. But he will never be a clutch post-season performer in my book. Yesterday proved that to me.

Frankly, I don't care whether Fox called for a run on 3rd and 7 or whether Manning audibled into a run up the gut for zero yards on 3rd and 7. Both of them should be ashamed of themselves.

Manning could have had a Jordanesque moment and used his $90 million arm to propel the Broncos the the Conference Championship game. Instead, he (with the full blessing of Fox, I'm sure) handed the ball off to rookie Ronnie Hillman, the NFL's youngest player, when the season hung in the balance.

No guts, no glory.

Fedaykin
01-14-2013, 12:30 AM
Manning had just as big of a brain fart as Rahim Moore. What was his reason for throwing a very risky, physically difficult pass on 2nd and 6?

Yes, we wouldn't have been 13-3 without him. That is absolutely true. But that last interception was a terrible play, not quite as bad as Moore's play, but pretty bad. In a game with so many mistakes, if one were to single out plays that "lost it" for us, the OT interception would be near the top.

Manning made a bad call, doing his job.

Moore decided to NOT do his job.

There's no comparison.

NUB
01-14-2013, 12:57 AM
Baltimore scored 17-points off of Manning's turnovers. An INT for a TD, a fumble recovery that led to a TD, and a bizarro INT that led to the game-ending FG. He also had another fumble stricken by a Baltimore penalty. You know, it'd be different if Manning was playing great, but he was as underwhelming as the rest of the team. If it weren't for Holliday I seriously doubt this game would have been that close. Hell, if Jacboy Jones ran two TDs back on Denver this game would have been a ****ing blowout by comparison.

People are upset with Manning because he has an image of being a playoff choke artist, which he is, and this game kinda reaffirmed it. He's not the only reason Denver lost, but he didn't do it a ton of favors, either.

BroncoInferno
01-14-2013, 05:56 AM
All three turnovers were his fault.


Bull. The pick six was 100% on the officials for not calling the blatant, clear, and egregious pass interference that occured.

go_broncos
01-14-2013, 06:05 AM
Manning - Please retire..I can't bear another choke job.
This season will remain forever in my mind..What a bunch of chokers..
It started with shanny losing games and the tradition is being continued by Mcd,Fox and manning.

BroncoBeavis
01-14-2013, 06:06 AM
Bull. The pick six was 100% on the officials for not calling the blatant, clear, and egregious pass interference that occured.

OL deserves some props for the fumble as well. Piss poor protection will net you a fumble sooner or later. PM shares some blame. But this game was lost on the clipboards and in the trenches.

BroncoInferno
01-14-2013, 06:15 AM
OL deserves some props for the fumble as well. Piss poor protection will net you a fumble sooner or later. PM shares some blame. But this game was lost on the clipboards and in the trenches.

Protection has been very good most of the season, but you're right, they had a rough day at the office. I'm not sure if it wasn't a mistake not to go with Ramirez at guard. All things being equal, Kuper is the better player, but he's been injured and inactive all year and Ramirez had done a solid job, especially late in the year. Probably wouldn't have made a difference, but those changes do effect OL chemistry. I'm not sure what they are thinking draft-wise, but someone like Barrett Jones at the end of the 1st would be a solid pick and he can play anywhere on the line.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-14-2013, 07:18 AM
Your "all Peyton does is lose" playoff arguments are as dumb as skip bayless's all Tebow does is win arguments

ScottXray
01-14-2013, 07:25 AM
It is the point.

I'm sick and tired of watching the Peyton defenders exert themselves trying desperately to move the goalposts as far as possible.

He was supposed to make this team a Super Bowl contender, that was the entire argument from the moment you idiots threw Tebow under the bus.

Manning was supposed to turn this team immediately into a Super Bowl threat, and he hasn't.

The reality is that he's incapable of winning a Super Bowl in his current state, he's not as good as Brady, or Rodgers, or even Russell Wilson at this point.

I doubt the Broncos can get a better QB than Manning at this point, but they need to start looking as soon as possible.

He DID make the team a SB contender. He did make it a SB threat.
The fact is no ONE player can win a a SB, it takes a team, offense, defense and Special teams.

And the TEAM lost the game Saturday, due to mistakes on every phase (but special teams returns). Blame it on Manning if you want, but there were failures on the coaching, Offensive line ( and thus QB pressures and failed run game) , defensive line ( no pressure on Flacco) and secondary that endedup costing us the game. The team was not prepared to face an opponent that would hang with us score for score ( whether or not they should have) and folded when the pressure got too high.

Manning elevated the play of almost every part of the team up until Saturday, and ( assuming he maintains his dedication and desire to play) will continue to, next year.

It was a disappointing end, to a year that had high hopes and expectations after the team got rolling, but almost nobody expected us to get to 13-3 and HFA when the preseason ended. The team overachieved almost all year, and it caught up to them in the end.

I agree that getting to, and winning a super bowl, with Manning, is the mark that this team needs to be measured against. Elway put all his eggs in that basket, and right or wrong, failure to do so will ultimately be a failure. But doing so in the first year would have been unexpected, no matter how much of a blown opportunity it ended up being.

Elway now needs to get the rest of the pieces we need to accomplish the goal. Get a Big Beasting RB that can move the chains . Fix the middle of the O-line. Get a big penetrating DT to assist the pass rush and secure the secondary by improving there ( Champ to safety, New CB, legitimate MLB).
Get a deep threat, and slot WR). Get rid of the weak part of the coaching ( McCoy...please go elsewhere).

It is Elways job to get us there by putting pieces in place. No one thought we would get there this year, BEFORE the year. The window has NOT closed.

Tombstone RJ
01-14-2013, 07:40 AM
BROKEN RECORD ALERT!

But i just feel the need.

I've never seen a fanbase turn on its best player so quickly. Obviously this doesn't go for all of you, but a lot are placing the blame on Manning and I have no clue why.

Yes, he wasn't perfect yesterday. Far from it. But, as ive said a bunch, he had a 100 rating going into that last Raven drive. He lead a beautiful drive to put us up 35-28. And, again, the Broncos win chances were 97.2 percent when Flacco let go of his hail mary or whatever you wanna call it. Again, we lost on a fluke play.

This guy transformed our team into a contender. Had that fluke play not happened, we'd all be talking about Peyton's good, but not perfect game and his gutty performance in some awful conditions (it was beyond cold in that stadium).

But, instead, a lot of you are whining and b****ing, and at least one of you would like to see Brock Osweiler as our QB next year.

Yes, he wasn't PERFECT, but if you're pointing fingers for yesterdays loss, you're gonna need to get to the second hand before you point to Peyton.

Well said! Unfortunately there's a lot of bitter beer face fans here. They are bitter because Shanny got the boot, they are bitter because TT was traded, they are bitter because they are just plane spoiled. It's too bad, but that is what message boards do, they bring out the nasty in people.

Smiling Assassin27
01-14-2013, 07:45 AM
I agree with the OP, to an extent. Peyton had a super year coming off his injury and took Denver to a fine season. He had played well on saturday but was clearly not the same guy in the 4th quarter and beyond. The INT in OT was a cardinal sin and requires more recognition of the game situation. It was 2nd down, as i recall, and heaving it out of bounds is all everyone around us in their seats were yelling. That just can't happen. But saying he's a washout, etc., is to fail to understand where we were and what adding him did for the team.

Still, we brought Peyton here to win a super bowl, plain and simple. he's not just starting where he was also brought to indy to resurrect a franchise and city. hell, he was a main reason they got a new building and superbowl there. here, his ONE job is to win a super bowl. so in that respect, this season=fail for peyton. still, with a full offseason to work more on football and not rehab, i think they'll be back strong. now it's up to elway to fill in some holes (damn, doug martin would've looked good in denver).

crawdad
01-14-2013, 07:51 AM
We got jobbed all day long by the refs in this game. The phantom holding call on Kuper when we made a 3rd and 1. The missed PI on the pick 6. Lots of things. But mostly our defense did not play well. We allowed 16 points per game on defense on average all year and let the damn Ravens score 35. Come on man! This loss is not on Manning!

BroncoBeavis
01-14-2013, 08:05 AM
We got jobbed all day long by the refs in this game. The phantom holding call on Kuper when we made a 3rd and 1. The missed PI on the pick 6. Lots of things. But mostly our defense did not play well. We allowed 16 points per game on defense on average all year and let the damn Ravens score 35. Come on man! This loss is not on Manning!

Manning's not off the hook. 35 regulation points given up, 14 of which were off of PM turnovers. And the d held up through one full OT before Peyton handed the Rays the ball inside field goal range. It ain't pretty for anyone but Trindon.

TonyR
01-14-2013, 11:45 AM
Good "defense of Peyton Manning" article:

...He walked off the field having left his team with a 95 percent chance of winning. The Ravens would take over after the ensuing punt on their own 23-yard line with more yards to go (77) than seconds left on the clock (69), and with no timeouts left barring some sort of four-timeout Harbaugh family trickery. They were done.

Enter Rahim Moore. Denver's second-year safety has had an impressive year as part of a surprising secondary, but on the biggest play of the year, Moore simply lost track of the ball in flight and got beat. If Moore does what virtually any safety serving as the last line of defense does on that play, he doesn't let the ball or a receiver get behind him, the pass gets broken up, and the Broncos almost surely win, which would mean that Manning had a good game. If Jacoby Jones delivers on his dismal postseason reputation from a year ago and drops the game-tying touchdown pass, the Broncos almost surely win, which means that Manning had a good game. If the Broncos get the sort of defensive/special teams miracle they seemed to get last year in overtime games with Tim Tebow, the Broncos almost surely win, which means that Manning had a good game... http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8842329/bill-barnwell-weekend-divisional-games

TonyR
01-14-2013, 11:49 AM
35 regulation points given up, 14 of which were off of PM turnovers.

Worth noting that the pick-6 was not remotely Manning's fault...

CEH
01-14-2013, 11:54 AM
Manning made a bad call, doing his job.

Moore decided to NOT do his job.

There's no comparison.

I don't understand why more posters can get this through their heads.

Seems like they equate Moore's error at the same level as other errors

Phyical mistakes can be explained away i.e. Tory Smith is just too fast for Bailey Champ can't get faster in a footrace but a simple Pop Warner concept i.e. mental error is tough to swallow.

There is no way Flacco throws it down the middle no time left. The sideline is the only avenue to make a play. You know the coaches told the kid what to do .

BroncoBeavis
01-14-2013, 12:55 PM
Worth noting that the pick-6 was not remotely Manning's fault...

It was PI but he should've led Decker more. Decker had to slow up on the slant which is what enabled the defender to hit him before the ball did. It wasn't a perfect throw by any stretch.

shalowlow
01-14-2013, 01:01 PM
Manning put us in a position to get to this point with home filed advantage and a 7 point lead with 35 seconds left on the clock. In a playoff game against a tough and battle tested opponent that was a dropped catch and missed field goal away from the Super Bowl last year.

What more could you want?

I also think he did this in spite of an arm injury of some sort, although, like I said in another thread, I don't know if it was the cold or an actual physical injury that happened during the game.

I believe that is why they took the kneel down at the end of the game, despite what our coach says.

TonyR
01-16-2013, 09:47 AM
A detailed analysis defending PM's playoff record linked below. He has had some remarkably bad luck...

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/peyton-mannings-9-11-playoff-record-is-call-for-help/20867/