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Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 10:50 AM
Let me clear the air on a few topics..

1. Moore is 100% responsible on the hail mary pass. He jumped the inside route when there was LB coverage underneath. He was way to shallow from the start of the play and as always was a step off. He doesn't have the awareness to be a starting safety in the NFL based on the product on the field over the last two years. Carter also gave up on the play and should have broken to the ball instead of just holding underneath.

2. Peyton can throw more than 15 yards. Though his arm strength showed vulnerability on some passes, the reason he can't throw it quiet the same is that he can't grip the ball quiet the same. The Ravens lined up in cover two with both safeties high, forcing everything to happen in front of them. The Ravend took away our strength of allowing the defense to hunt and turn it into a boxing match where we weren't physical enough to match them. Peyton surely isn't without blame, his decision in 2OT was something he wishes he could have back, Stokely was open but Peyton didn't get enough on it. His first pick was a product of Decker not making the catch and getting mugged.. The one fumble should have been the tuck rule, maybe it only applies to Brady? Heading into overtime as our friend Son of Lothing has repeatedly thrown out, Peyton had over a 100 QB rating. While not a great game, it surely wasn't his worst game.

3. The receivers couldn't get seperation and the OLine couldn't protect nor knock their line off the ball. We had no running game to worry about so they continually pressed and forced Peyton to have to dink and dunk, because that was all that was available!

4. The defense played poorly over all, they couldn't stop the run or pass and missed one too many assignments. I think if your satisfied with the talent on the D in general than your kidding yourself. What really boggles my mind is the free releases that WRs get against our CBs even when they play bump and run.

5. Mike McCoy had nothing creative drawn up, there were no wrinkles added in all that time off. Is this because they were saving it for next week or is there really nothing creative in McCoys mind? I'm curious why we didn't use more screens and wrinkles with holiday and Hillman in the passing game. Why was VG not utilized in the passing game? I saw the TEs abusing Ray Lewis and Ellerbe, but the lack of a play maker an athletic TE hurt the team. Nobody was explosive enough to make anything happen underneath except for DTs nice screen pass, which I'm still wondering why it wasn't used more..?

6. That was the correct call to run on 3rd and 7, with under two minutes to play. If you play the percentages that is the correct play. But the coaching staff and coordinators are far from without blame. Why didn't Fox punt instead of attempting that FG? Needless to say they scored off that decision. McCoy and Fox were predictable and forgettable, nothing creative or aggressive to offset the two deep look. Del Rio.. way to roll safety help over the top of Smith after he was successful the first time. If flacco doesn't overthrow Smith, he would have done it three times to Champ. Rio rolled the safety over the TE instead of using more Trevathan or DJ in coverage situations, kind of a head scratcher.

7. The team looked like the team from the beginning of the year who was still learning the system and each other. The personnel really isn't as strong as many give them credit for. I think today really exposed Denver.

Hope is not loss there are solutions and plenty to look forward too. While I don't advocate loosing for a better draft pick, maybe now we have a shot at one of the better players who falls. So let's look at how we can improve.

1. Moore needs to be replaced at FS, wether that is with an impact FA like Byrd or Gholdson, someone in the draft Elam, or someone on the roster in Bailey. Should Bailey move to FS we still need 2CBs and one of them should be a starter unless they plan to resign Porter. I would prefer pressman corners myself, that's not a trait of any of our current CBs. If Bailey stays at CB he should play on the other teams possession receiver.

2. Another offseason of OTAs will make the offense grow even more. It will also give Peyton more rehabbing time. It will also now bring to the forefront the importance of adding an explosive player. Hopefully another offseason will bring out more of Green and JT will get healthy and start putting it all together so we can have some athleticism at TE.

3. How important is a true RB who can pass protect? I'm not of the impression that Moreno deserves another chance as a starter. He's just a little bit better version of Ball. Moreno can pass protect, but he's slow and doesn't run with much conviction. Hillman is indecisive, if he hit the hole hard he would have Jamal Charles type upside. He is young but maybe an offseason will help. I think McGahee back will help, but what's the long term answer of the power runner who can pass protect? To me it shouldn't be Knowshon..did I mention he's fragile?

4. The defense was the real weakness yesterday. There is ZERO interior pressure, and the DLine was bullied all game. I have been saying that we need to upgrade our DTs with one in the draft (Brandon Williams) and one in free agency (Knighton or Sims). The exterior pass rush was non existsnt, but damn McKinney held Doom sooo many times yesterday. Having Hunter back should improve the freshness of the pass rush, but I believe we struggled inside all season, teams create a nice pocket for their QB to step up into against us. Do I need to mention the need for another LB or two? Someone to back up Von do he can play as an ocassional DE also wouldn't hurt. If he are to get hurt we would play a more traditional 4-3 anyway and Irving as the back up is just blah. I dont reslly need to kerp beating the dead horse about the dire need for a MLB. We need another Corner to groom and I still want to see another safety added to the mix. I'd prefer move Adams to FS instead of moving champ there, putting Moore behind him and then upgrading at SS with Carter behind that player. Otherwise we need to get a better FS in FA, because Moore needs to earn any playing time and not be handed the starting job.

Maybe this is a blessing in disguise. The assumption was made that we were loaded on all sides of the ball and I really didn't see it that way. But this lose could open our eyes to what we really need and we can address the final touches this offseason.

wolf754life
01-13-2013, 10:52 AM
this is no blessing.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 10:54 AM
1996 wasn't a blessing either. This is just ****


Upward and onward though

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 11:55 AM
Blessing in disguise? Is this the kind of bull**** you Colts fans feed yourselves when you go one and done with Manning? Just **** off...

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-13-2013, 12:08 PM
I have a problem with number 6. That's regular season stradegy. When there's an opportunity to win the game you take it 100%. You don't lie down and give the other team a chance. Not in the playoffs. Manning didnt have to throw it of no one was open. It's at least trying. Ravens only needed seconds to score before halftime. From the same distance. And you give them another shot? The punt was terrible. A long int by manning wouldve been more productive.

ant1999e
01-13-2013, 12:38 PM
Blessing in disguise? Is this the kind of bull**** you Colts fans feed yourselves when you go one and done with Manning? Just **** off...

I agree, **** offthwack

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 04:38 PM
Why do I get nothing but negativity..and the thread another poster started is getting quality feedback??

TheReverend
01-13-2013, 04:58 PM
Cliffs:

- Poster named "BmoreManning" joins after Manning signs
- Poster blames loss on everyone not named Manning
- I'm stunned

orinjkrush
01-13-2013, 05:10 PM
Why do I get nothing but negativity..and the thread another poster started is getting quality feedback??

they're called cliques.

ant1999e
01-13-2013, 05:19 PM
Cliffs:

- Poster named "BmoreManning" joins after Manning signs
- Poster blames loss on everyone not named Manning
- I'm stunned

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 05:22 PM
Cliffs:

- Poster named "BmoreManning" joins after Manning signs
- Poster blames loss on everyone not named Manning
- I'm stunned

I was very forward about that when I joined and didn't pretend I was some long time Bronco fan. I guess being real isn't appreciated. I blame some of the loss on Manning, is it soely Peyton's fault?

I thought there was some progression between us as to be well informed posters who can converse..?

TheReverend
01-13-2013, 05:28 PM
I was very forward about that when I joined and didn't pretend I was some long time Bronco fan. I guess being real isn't appreciated. I blame some of the loss on Manning, is it soely Peyton's fault?

I thought there was some progression between us as to be well informed posters who can converse..?

I'm just giving you **** because, well, those are accurate cliffs.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 05:35 PM
I'm just giving you **** because, well, those are accurate cliffs.

I would have thought being forward from the get go would be respected. I have contributed well on here, and not all Manning based! I don't see how I blamed the list on anyone who wasn't deserving, I believe I spread the blame around on many facets..? So because I'm a Peyton fan I can't become a Bronco fan and be just as upset about the loss?

I know I give a very real unbiased opinion, I guess we don't like that around here, and I should say **** dude it's Peyton's fault we lost.

TheReverend
01-13-2013, 05:38 PM
I would have thought being forward from the get go would be respected. I have contributed well on here, and not all Manning based! I don't see how I blamed the list on anyone who wasn't deserving, I believe I spread the blame around on many facets..? So because I'm a Peyton fan I can't become a Bronco fan and be just as upset about the loss?

I know I give a very real unbiased opinion, I guess we don't like that around here, and I should say **** dude it's Peyton's fault we lost.

You should relax. Taking a joke post WAY too hard.

DBroncos4life
01-13-2013, 05:48 PM
Bmore you are a good poster regardless of the reasons why you post here.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 05:52 PM
Bmore you are a good poster regardless of the reasons why you post here.

Thank you, I'm glad you see it that way!

DBroncos4life
01-13-2013, 06:05 PM
I think we have to go with game ready players in D via FA and draft weapons on O.

Donnie Avery should be our target at slot. He is a FA, and cost the Colts 615K last year. The guy is lightning fast. Runs right around 4.3.

Blueflame
01-13-2013, 06:48 PM
Yesterday sucked. But we'll dust ourselves off and be right back in the "playoff mix" again next year. Hopefully with a more positive result.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 07:05 PM
Why do I get nothing but negativity..and the thread another poster started is getting quality feedback??

You just said the biggest choke job in Broncos history was a "blessing in disguise" while not even being a Bronco fan. If you expect that to illicit positivity you are on crack.

DENVERDUI55
01-13-2013, 07:08 PM
RB, MLB, DT, CB, S, OL, WR job openings. Apply at Dove Valley.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 07:13 PM
I think we have to go with game ready players in D via FA and draft weapons on O.

Donnie Avery should be our target at slot. He is a FA, and cost the Colts 615K last year. The guy is lightning fast. Runs right around 4.3.

We surely need something explosive for the slot. I think there's a plathora of free agency talent. A proven DT and a MLB may come through free agency.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 07:15 PM
RB, MLB, DT, CB, S, OL, WR job openings. Apply at Dove Valley.

Lol, open tryouts?

CEH
01-13-2013, 07:18 PM
RB, MLB, DT, CB, S, OL, WR job openings. Apply at Dove Valley.

Worked for Stokley who was coaching my son's flag football team last year

DBroncos4life
01-13-2013, 07:19 PM
We surely need something explosive for the slot. I think there's a plathora of free agency talent. A proven DT and a MLB may come through free agency.

Hartline is my next thought at WR if we can't land Avey. Hopefully Manning and Champ will have a horrible taste in their mouths after this game and rework their contract to free up more room.

pricejj
01-13-2013, 07:19 PM
While not a great game, it surely wasn't his worst game.


2 INT's and 2 fumbles


You're critical of the LB's, the D Line, the O Line, the CB's, the Safeties, the WR's, the TE's, and the RB's...but nothing about Manning? Hilarious!

Especially cute is how you start out by defending Manning's self-confessed audible on 3rd and 7 to a run.

A measly 7 Offensive points in the last four quarters of football?...pathetic. For $18M you think a guy would attempt a pass over 15 yards, especially when Flacco was completing bombs all day.

g6matty
01-13-2013, 07:21 PM
this went to **** fast lol

Bigdawg26
01-13-2013, 07:22 PM
RB, MLB, DT, CB, S, OL, WR job openings. Apply at Dove Valley.

I don't think we have all those openings. Now that kinda have a clear head after a DEPRESSING yesterday and this coming week. I think we need to upgrade MLB position for certain. Also, I know I was a big Moore supporter this year, but I think we need to get a game changer back there at free. Maybe place champ back there or hopefully trade up for Eric Reid from LSU in the first. RB is something we can get in the mid rounds for depth purposes but I like Willis and Ronnie. As far as corner, I think we are good at CB there with Harris and Carter and Bolden as the top 3 CB's.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 07:24 PM
We surely need something explosive for the slot. I think there's a plathora of free agency talent. A proven DT and a MLB may come through free agency.

Dude, stop saying "we" when talking about the Broncos. You've made it clear you aren't a Bronco fan. All you care about is Peyton Manning.

go_broncos
01-13-2013, 07:25 PM
When you lose like this..there is nothing positive..
I didn't felt like this when we lost to NE last year..NE is clearly a better team.

This is our chance to win SB.Yet, everyone choked including manning.
This loss hurts..
I am not sure why you keep supporting Manning.
Look at Eli...once he reaches playoffs..he plays at a very high level.

Manning should have won more SB when he was with Indy..Yet, he kept choking in playoff games.. I know many of us here laughed at him when he kept losing playoff games.

This season is a bigger failure than last year.
Yesterday's game is the worst loss since 96 and manning is able to accomplish within one year..
Hate this team..

DENVERDUI55
01-13-2013, 07:27 PM
I don't think we have all those openings. Now that kinda have a clear head after a DEPRESSING yesterday and this coming week. I think we need to upgrade MLB position for certain. Also, I know I was a big Moore supporter this year, but I think we need to get a game changer back there at free. Maybe place champ back there or hopefully trade up for Eric Reid from LSU in the first. RB is something we can get in the mid rounds for depth purposes but I like Willis and Ronnie. As far as corner, I think we are good at CB there with Harris and Carter and Bolden as the top 3 CB's.

I am thinking more depth for sure. I think RB needs a stud back there to compliment Moreno and Hillman. Willis I think is about done but who knows. Definately need OG depth/competition. MLB is self explainatory in my opinion. If Champ does move to S Harris/Carter will probably start and Bolden as the 3 scares me right now. Need another player or two there also. I need to check out who is available in FA. DT need a starter or heavy rotation guy.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 07:40 PM
2 INT's and 2 fumbles


You're critical of the LB's, the D Line, the O Line, the CB's, the Safeties, the WR's, the TE's, and the RB's...but nothing about Manning? Hilarious!

Especially cute is how you start out by defending Manning's self-confessed audible on 3rd and 7 to a run.

A measly 7 Offensive points in the last four quarters of football?...pathetic. For $18M you think a guy would attempt a pass over 15 yards, especially when Flacco was completing bombs all day.

Price, you coming at me again.. Really?

The pick 6 was pass interference, the one fumble should have been the tuck rule for starters, I'll take your bs in order.

Peyton was the second addressed point, where I was critical of his game but because I actually know how to evaluate a game and you don't, you should stick with what you know. He didn't attempt a long pass because THE RAVENS TOOK IT AWAY! And play Cover 2 with high safeties.

The audible was the 6th point I made dumbass not the first. I have no problem with the play call there, the conservative play calling elsewhere I have a real problem with. Would we all have liked a pass there? Sure. But the run killed clock and was a solid play even if you don't approve.

As for the offense, when you have NO running game and they played schematically to force everything underneath, what do you expect to happen? He will take what the defense gives him. There aren't the most explosive players that can stretch the field on the offense, at WR or TE. McCoy didn't draw up any wrinkles or anything to make the Ravens make adjustments. I guess Peyton should carry the run game, blocking, and bring new explosiveness out of Tamme, Dreesen, or Stokely.

You Price are really funny, you were all about Peyton, now all of a sudden you are anti Manning and coming at me. Let's see where you flip flop next week.

DBroncos4life
01-13-2013, 07:43 PM
I would almost consider trading our first round pick and DJ for MJD and the Jags 2nd rounder. Really how much value can MJD have this offseason? We fall back a few spots and fill a need.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 07:50 PM
Dude, stop saying "we" when talking about the Broncos. You've made it clear you aren't a Bronco fan. All you care about is Peyton Manning.

When I first joined here.. 10 months ago. You don't contribute anything other than negativity. I know more about the team and football in general than you and everyone would agree. Fall back dick, cha feel?

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 08:24 PM
When I first joined here.. 10 months ago. You don't contribute anything other than negativity. I know more about the team and football in general than you and everyone would agree. Fall back dick, cha feel?

Go **** yourself with a horseshoe you piece of **** Colt fan. Your football knowledge or lack thereof means nothing to me either way. You aren't a Bronco fan. That's all that matters. Take your "blessing in disguise" and blow it out your ass.

Bmore Manning
01-13-2013, 09:10 PM
Go **** yourself with a horseshoe you piece of **** Colt fan. Your football knowledge or lack thereof means nothing to me either way. You aren't a Bronco fan. That's all that matters. Take your "blessing in disguise" and blow it out your ass.

I'm not a Colt fan at all. As a fan of the franchise as you claim you are you should be glad that the weaknesses and holes were brought to the fore front. I would rather win multiple SBs, because the team personnel was improved on even more, then to win this year and that's it, because the perception was this team was loaded.

DBroncos4life
01-13-2013, 09:15 PM
It's funny that you are getting called out by a guy that was only here because of Tebow. LOL

Cito Pelon
01-13-2013, 09:39 PM
Just because a team plays cover two doesn't mean you automatically don't try to throw the ball downfield. You gotta try some downfield throws, not just dink and dunk stuff. I saw a few plays where either Decker or Thomas was man covered outside on a streak, Manning didn't throw it to them.

ant1999e
01-13-2013, 09:44 PM
Price, you coming at me again..

You Price are really funny, you were all about Peyton, now all of a sudden you are anti Manning and coming at me. Let's see where you flip flop next week.

You don't get it, it isn't Peyton Manning, it's you. Get a clue and go away. Try a Peyton Manning fan club.

DBroncos4life
01-13-2013, 10:07 PM
You don't get it, it isn't Peyton Manning, it's you. Get a clue and go away. Try a Peyton Manning fan club.
Why don't you leave instead.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 10:25 PM
It's funny that you are getting called out by a guy that was only here because of Tebow. LOL

If I was only here because of Tebow I would've left when Tebow left dip****.

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 10:28 PM
I'm not a Colt fan at all. As a fan of the franchise as you claim you are you should be glad that the weaknesses and holes were brought to the fore front. I would rather win multiple SBs, because the team personnel was improved on even more, then to win this year and that's it, because the perception was this team was loaded.

Yes I'm sure Elway is waiting with baited breath as you breakdown the Broncos' roster and provide quality in-depth analysis of how certain deficiencies might be rectified. ::)

ant1999e
01-13-2013, 10:39 PM
Why don't you leave instead.

You're the one contemplating leaving. Take your new bff with you.

DBroncos4life
01-13-2013, 10:43 PM
You're the one contemplating leaving. Take your new bff with you.
Oh you got me good ****er.

broncofever
01-13-2013, 11:04 PM
To the OP. I find your post interesting actually but first of all I thnk Rev was only joking with you tho your name on here being what it is probably doesn't help. People on here, myself included can vary from making sarcastic smart ass remarks, to talking football and to be giant asshats. You have quite a few idiots in this thread who are always negative and that won't change and nothing you say to them is gonna change it. Interact with who you want, ignore the obvious assy trolls and enjoy.. Don't take this place too seriously and you'll be fine and if needed use the ignore feature or take a break from the place. I spend too much time her and it winds me up and clearly after a bad performance which this game was it will always be worse. Anyway for what it's worth you are heads and shoulders above a lot of posters especially the tebow guys who were mildly obsessive.

Curiosity, how much do you think the weather impacted our team and maybe manning even more? Not saying its an excuse but I can't help thinking it was a problem.

IA-Broncosfan53
01-13-2013, 11:15 PM
I would almost consider trading our first round pick and DJ for MJD and the Jags 2nd rounder. Really how much value can MJD have this offseason? We fall back a few spots and fill a need.

You havn't had enough of running backs that cant stay healthy?

Bmore Manning
01-14-2013, 12:54 PM
Just because a team plays cover two doesn't mean you automatically don't try to throw the ball downfield. You gotta try some downfield throws, not just dink and dunk stuff. I saw a few plays where either Decker or Thomas was man covered outside on a streak, Manning didn't throw it to them.

I understand what you are saying, I'm not the team nor Peyton's doctor I'm not sure physically what was going on. I do know that they played Cover Two with both safeties high, which is why you didn't hear Ed Reeds name. I also know they weren't getting any seperation, and that the best way to beat cover two is with short to intermediate underneath routes and running the football, which is what we did..

Bmore Manning
01-14-2013, 12:58 PM
To the OP. I find your post interesting actually but first of all I thnk Rev was only joking with you tho your name on here being what it is probably doesn't help. People on here, myself included can vary from making sarcastic smart ass remarks, to talking football and to be giant asshats. You have quite a few idiots in this thread who are always negative and that won't change and nothing you say to them is gonna change it. Interact with who you want, ignore the obvious assy trolls and enjoy.. Don't take this place too seriously and you'll be fine and if needed use the ignore feature or take a break from the place. I spend too much time her and it winds me up and clearly after a bad performance which this game was it will always be worse. Anyway for what it's worth you are heads and shoulders above a lot of posters especially the tebow guys who were mildly obsessive.

Curiosity, how much do you think the weather impacted our team and maybe manning even more? Not saying its an excuse but I can't help thinking it was a problem.

I think the weather impacted everyone on both teams. I'm curious myself how bad the nerves were in Manning's throwing arm because of the cold. To prepare for the cold, he stuck his hand in ice water to see how his nerves would respond. The weathers not going to change going forward, so if he was limited, there better be a new game plan...

pricejj
01-14-2013, 01:00 PM
Price, you coming at me again.. Really?


Nice craptastic post with all the insults and utterly false accusations BTW.

The fact is, Manning had 2 opportunities to move the Broncos into posiiton to score points in OT...and didn't. He threw an INT instead.

How you interpret that to be that I am somehow "anti-Manning" is utter BS, and it pretty much makes you look like a moron.

The Broncos are a MUCH better team than you give them credit for, and will be better next year.