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bpc
01-12-2013, 09:10 PM
1. Officiating called one of the worst games i've ever seen. It's not the sole reason for the loss but it was bad and we got screwed hard. 3rd and 1, 1st down, hold, bring it back. Non PI calls... there were too many to count. The Boldin catch? Good god. It felt like an NBA game.
2. Pressure got the best of this team especially in the coaching department. We played out our version of the 98' Vikings. Things we did in the regular season, we didn't do here. Pick any 3rd and 1 bland run call. Could have been an audible, whatever. Why have Peyton Manning if you are going to hand off to your 49th best player in Jacob Hester? Go WIN the game! The defense in particular just nutted up. The group as a whole made Flacco look like Kurt Warner. What were they doing? A lot of this falls on JDR. The troops didn't look prepared. Baltimore ran a lot of bunch plays and our guys looked lost in coverage.
3. Doom and Von disappeared. The difference between the PM Colts and the PM Broncos is that Freeney/Mooris actually stepped up in the playoffs. Doom/Von disappeared. (I thought Von had a solid game, just not great.)
4. Champ had one of his worst games as a Bronco. Awful game. Might be time to play some safety.
5. Rahim Moore. Nuff said. Blew the game. Not the only reason we lost but come on, you might as well walk off the field and make it 10 vs. 11 with how he lost focus and just drifted around. Ever heard of "Don't let the WR get behind you?" or "High Point the ball?". These things are taught in grade school pop warner leagues.
6. Manning TO's. Not sure what was going on with that but that's been the knock on Peyton and it reared it's ugly head again. The frustrated thing was the 1st INT was Decker's fault, HOWEVER, IT WAS A PI which wasn't called! The fumble came after a 3rd and 1 conversion called back by phantom holding call against Kuper. See #1.
7. Why not throw to Demaryius Thomas? 3 for 37 and he somewhat disappeared down the stretch of the season. We needed to call his number. And we didn't. And we lost. I think they go hand and hand. DT alters the coverage. Decker is a #2 WR. He takes advantage of what DT does to the lid on the coverage. Very poor game planning by Fox/McCoy/Peyton, whom ever was deciding on these plays.

Feel free to add others.

Cleo McDowell
01-12-2013, 09:13 PM
:sickortir

hades
01-12-2013, 09:13 PM
I don't even care why now, we lost and I'm pissed!

Good list tho!

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-12-2013, 09:14 PM
Moreno getting injured yet again.


Not covering the TE on 3rd and 13 from their own 4 yard line.


There's so many things wrong with this game. They flat out choked and its going to hurt for a long time.

BroncoBuff
01-12-2013, 09:14 PM
1) Stupid Rave-hens have always been our kryptonite,

2) The Flacco-Jones hookup was just like the Mark Brunell-Jimmy Smith hookup in '96 - the best play of their careers.

3) Play-calling

4) Champ

Rohirrim
01-12-2013, 09:15 PM
8. Time for Moreno to shine and what happens? Injured again.
9. Middle of our Oline outclassed again. Couldn't get a yard if their lives depended on it.

bpc
01-12-2013, 09:18 PM
Moreno getting injured yet again.


Not covering the TE on 3rd and 13 from their own 4 yard line.


There's so many things wrong with this game. They flat out choked and its going to hurt for a long time.

HOW DO YOU NOT COVER THE TIGHTEND?

I'm not sure how Jack Del Rio coached so well all year and he just left his brain at the team hotel this time around. He had no response to Baltimore except the stupid f'n RADAR defense which didn't do ****. Didn't confuse anybody and/or the officials called a penalty on us and converted 3rd downs for the Ravens.

go_broncos
01-12-2013, 09:18 PM
With Fox style of coaching, it's difficult to win games.

I believe SD team with Marty was much better team than us..But, they keep losing games..They lost to inferior team like Jets twice in playoffs.

Added to that, we have manning who struggles in playoff games.
There is nothing we can do..We can't fire Fox and cut manning.
If we do, i don't think we can reach playoff's.
It really sucks to be in this position.

BroncoBuff
01-12-2013, 09:18 PM
9. Middle of our Oline outclassed again. Couldn't get a yard if their lives depended on it.

That's because STUPID JOSH DRAFTED ALPHONSO SMITH AND DARCEL MCBATH INSTEAD OF MAX UNGER!

Despite so many of us screaming at his pea-brained head to draft Unger ..........

Cito Pelon
01-12-2013, 09:19 PM
I'd go and hide if I could, but life goes on. I think we've all laid out the post mortem. Nothing wrong with this thread, but I'm gonna finish this last Currs Light and wake up tomorrow. Bad day today, better day tomorrow. This is why I don't host playoff parties anymore. Learned my lesson too long ago.

BroncoBuff
01-12-2013, 09:20 PM
I'm trying not to, but if you think about it ... did Holliday make this game closer than the score would indicate?

bpc
01-12-2013, 09:23 PM
I'd go and hide if I could, but life goes on. I think we've all laid out the post mortem. Nothing wrong with this thread, but I'm gonna finish this last Currs Light and wake up tomorrow. Bad day today, better day tomorrow. This is why I don't host playoff parties anymore. Learned my lesson too long ago.

I don't think anybody will go cut themselves. Jesus.

It sucks, life moves on. It's been a long time since 98'. I was 18. Getting close to double that age now.

maher_tyler
01-12-2013, 09:25 PM
1) Refs...2 of Manning's turnovers should have never been!
2) HUGE plays give up by the secondary...unreal!!
3) Fox!!!
4) Manning OT interception.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-12-2013, 09:26 PM
I don't think anybody will go cut themselves. Jesus.

It sucks, life moves on. It's been a long time since 98'. I was 18. Getting close to double that age now.

I feel bad for the oldest fans. This was a legit chance at a SB and it turned into a colossal choke job. We have years left to watch them but It's gotta be tough for the older fans. A dam shame how this game unfolded.

RavenEC
01-12-2013, 09:29 PM
The Ravens wanted it more.

anon
01-12-2013, 09:37 PM
The refs were pretty crap today but it's hard to pin the loss on them with the number of big plays we gave up:

1) HUGE poor defensive plays on multiple long bombs for TDs

2) Continuing to run it into the middle of the line late in the game when Hillman was getting outside for solid gains and Baltimore's D looked gassed chasing sideline to sideline.

3) Calling plays out of the "let's try not to lose it" playbook.

4) Poorly executed prevent D at the end of the game.

5) Non-existent pass rush from our "threats" Doom and Von

6) Manning not being able to throw more than 15 yards

7) Manning trying to imitate Elway at the end of the game, but looking like Cutler.

8) Notice that the Harbaugh brothers won today. Those guys are irritating personalities perhaps, but you have to give them credit for being coaches with balls that will make the tough, controversial decisions and stand by them.

9) We were a #1 seed but didn't have the swagger and killer instinct of a #1 seed.

BowlenBall
01-12-2013, 09:38 PM
I think you just about covered it, bpc... although if I had to rank them in terms of goat-ish-ness it would go something like this:

1) Raheem Moore: In one single play, he ruined our season, Peyton Manning's MVP candidacy, Elway's Executive-of-the-year candidacy, and possibly McCoy and Del Rio's head coaching opportunities. (and he sucked in general for most of the game, to boot).

2) John Fox, Mike McCoy, Jack Del Rio: horrible, horrible game planning and play calling. The Ravens had 8 fewer days to prepare than us, and STILL had a better game plan both offensively and defensively. Questionable in-game decisions include: trying a 52-yarder in horrible conditions at the end of the half rather than go for it on 4th down; taking a knee with 31 seconds and 2 timeouts remaining; running multiple, multiple times when the defense was expecting it (and often with Jacob Hester); and running on 3rd and 7 then punting instead of trying to finish the game with a pass at the end of the 4th.

3) Peyton Manning -- his reputation for choking is deserved. Three turnovers in all, and what was essentially the game-loser in overtime. We can now officially stop including him in the list of all-time best quarterbacks, as it's an insult to Unitas, Montana and Elway to do so.

4) Dumervil and (to a lesser extent) Von Miller: only one pressure and very few QB pressures on the day -- this probably contributed to our loss as much as anything today, as Flacco had plenty of time to wind up and hit loooooooooooong passes downfield.

5) The refs: an absolutely terrible officiating job, worse than most of the replacement refs from the beginning of the season, IMO. While they made bad calls both ways, there were two atrocious 3rd-down calls late in the game (the clearly incomplete pass, and a bizarre phantom PI call against Champ three plays later) that were... well, frankly suspicious.

6) The offensive line: gave up three sacks and multiple pressures throughout the game. Given how much fresher and healthier they were than the Ravens, and that they're acclimated to the altitude, this is a problem that should probably be addressed in the offseason -- Franklin might be better suited to guard, and we might need to go fishing for a replacement right tackle.

7) Champ -- possibly the worst game I ever saw him play. However, some of the blame lies with the safeties for being out of position on some of the plays where he got beat, and additional blame goes to the coaching staff for leaving him on an island at times without any support.

All in all, it's a complete and systemic failure by the Broncos -- it's very fair to compare this to the great bed-****ting of 1996.

bowtown
01-12-2013, 09:39 PM
Fire everyone and start over now. That will make me feel much better next year when we win 4 games. ****ing whiners.

hades
01-12-2013, 09:40 PM
Speaking of reasons, has Fox or anybody had a presser yet and given us the old, "Well, we got outplayed today folks" speech?

Edit: DUH, just cheked on Denverbroncos.com

Armchair Bronco
01-12-2013, 09:46 PM
:sickortir

Awesome photo. Speaks volumes.

TheChamp247
01-12-2013, 10:15 PM
9) We were a #1 seed but didn't have the swagger and killer instinct of a #1 seed.

Problem was we had that killer instinct...till 3rd down. Then quit and just assumed that Flacco would choke and never realized he was actually throwing to his receivers, not our DB's. Defense lost this game. Manning just made it worse. If we don't draft a DB with our first pick were doomed again. We had over performers in Harris, Lenarod, Carter, and Moore and they got exposed. Thank god by the ravens and not the Pats. I love Bailey, but he needs help for gods sake. Im not worried about Manning for 3 more years, better than we've had in the past decade. Pass rush is only good with decent coverage. Oh, and the refs had to have been threatened by Ray Ray and his murdering skills. I was upset but not infuriated till the Bailey PI. at was the moat BS call I've seen all season. More than the GB SEA game ender by the replacement refs. We lost, but at least wr have a promising front office. I think its 96 all over again. Including 97 and 98. We'll bounce back. I hurting bad now tho, but thank you Amendment 64

Bmore Manning
01-12-2013, 10:23 PM
The Ravens played Cover 2 high safeties.. Why do so many of you experts keep saying Peyton couldn't throw more than 15 yards? Well your right cause they forced everything to happen in front of them! And none of the receivers could get seperation.

strafen
01-12-2013, 10:28 PM
1- Fox-McCoy
2- McCoy-Fox

Pick Six
01-12-2013, 10:32 PM
I'm trying not to, but if you think about it ... did Holliday make this game closer than the score would indicate?

I was all ready to name Holliday the MVP of the game. Without his returns, CBS wouldn't have a good game...

TheChamp247
01-12-2013, 10:34 PM
I want to see the poll were we all blame the refs #1, the D #2, Manning #3, and Brian Greise #4. I'm pretty sure this can be traced back to the Greaseball

TheChamp247
01-12-2013, 10:37 PM
The Ravens played Cover 2 high safeties.. Why do so many of you experts keep saying Peyton couldn't throw more than 15 yards? Well your right cause they forced everything to happen in front of them! And none of the receivers could get seperation.

Thomas couldn't get separation, which corrupted our other recievers (Decker and Tamme) as well as our run game. They found out DT was our main offense and stopped it. I don't think they even predicted that it would stall our offense that bad

anon
01-12-2013, 10:40 PM
I think we played rattled, by some of the bad calls and the breakdowns on D. Once the game got tight and stayed tight, the whole team played scared. It had been a while since we played a close game that mattered.




Problem was we had that killer instinct...till 3rd down. Then quit and just assumed that Flacco would choke and never realized he was actually throwing to his receivers, not our DB's. Defense lost this game. Manning just made it worse. If we don't draft a DB with our first pick were doomed again. We had over performers in Harris, Lenarod, Carter, and Moore and they got exposed. Thank god by the ravens and not the Pats. I love Bailey, but he needs help for gods sake. Im not worried about Manning for 3 more years, better than we've had in the past decade. Pass rush is only good with decent coverage. Oh, and the refs had to have been threatened by Ray Ray and his murdering skills. I was upset but not infuriated till the Bailey PI. at was the moat BS call I've seen all season. More than the GB SEA game ender by the replacement refs. We lost, but at least wr have a promising front office. I think its 96 all over again. Including 97 and 98. We'll bounce back. I hurting bad now tho, but thank you Amendment 64

anon
01-12-2013, 10:41 PM
That's definitely reason to worry if the formula for stopping our vaunted offense is just to bottle up DT and watch Manning pad his stats with 3-5 yard passes.



Thomas couldn't get separation, which corrupted our other recievers (Decker and Tamme) as well as our run game. They found out DT was our main offense and stopped it. I don't think they even predicted that it would stall our offense that bad

Bmore Manning
01-12-2013, 10:45 PM
Thomas couldn't get separation, which corrupted our other recievers (Decker and Tamme) as well as our run game. They found out DT was our main offense and stopped it. I don't think they even predicted that it would stall our offense that bad

Their plan was to force us to work down the field, because if they gave up quick scores our D in theory would pin their ears back and hunt..

But yes your correct, except the lack of a run game didn't help the passing game.

anon
01-12-2013, 10:48 PM
I suspect Moreno was a big part of the game plan and when he got hurt, some of our options were limited.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-12-2013, 10:52 PM
It was a bad day in horrible horrible weather. The Ravens didnt find some fatal flaw with the Broncos. We played **** and, frankly, they are lucky to get out of there with a win.

This game comes down to two plays that happened at the end of the halves. The Broncos had a great opportunity to go up 14 and get the ball in the second half and dropped a pass. And then, of course, the Rahim Moore. Which, im sorry, i think is actually the worst play in Broncos history. I honestly cant think of one singular play that was worse.

jutang
01-12-2013, 10:53 PM
Broncos played not to lose throughout the entire game.
Elways needs to show Fox a replay of the Pittsburgh game what what you do on 3rd down when you have a HOF QB and need a first down to ice the game. Worse yet, 2 TO's with one last drive attempt for a FG.

BowlenBall
01-12-2013, 10:57 PM
It was a bad day in horrible horrible weather. The Ravens didnt find some fatal flaw with the Broncos. We played **** and, frankly, they are lucky to get out of there with a win.

This game comes down to two plays that happened at the end of the halves. The Broncos had a great opportunity to go up 14 and get the ball in the second half and dropped a pass. And then, of course, the Rahim Moore. Which, im sorry, i think is actually the worst play in Broncos history. I honestly cant think of one singular play that was worse.

Off the top of my head, the only other one I can think of is that playoff game against the Colts in either 2004 or 2005 where nobody touched the receiver after a catch (including Al Wilson, I believe) and he got up and ran for a touchdown while they watched.

loborugger
01-12-2013, 11:00 PM
Paid a ton made 3 turn overs.

Knowshon left the game (never thought I would say that).

1 TO caused by our defense

Little to no pressure on the opposing QB

Playing to play defense on 3rd and 7

Champ getting lite like an Xmas tree

sisterhellfyre
01-12-2013, 11:03 PM
I suspect Moreno was a big part of the game plan and when he got hurt, some of our options were limited.

I think you're dead-on, anon. This stat jumped out at me from Burger Bill's column on ESPN:

* In the first half, Manning was not pressured at all on 22 pass dropbacks.

* In the second half, Manning was pressured on 10 of 24, including all 3 times he was sacked.

The difference? Knowshon Moreno's last play was early in the 3rd quarter, on a 5-yard run (12:32). According to the box score Moreno didn't have a good day running the ball (10 for 32 yards), but it looks to me like he earned his keep in pass protection. After Moreno left, Hillman, Hester & Ball just weren't up to the task as Manning's bodyguards. The Ravens sacked Manning for the first time just three plays after Knowshon left the game, and it was all downhill from there.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-12-2013, 11:04 PM
Paid a ton made 3 turn overs.

Knowshon left the game (never thought I would say that).

1 TO caused by our defense

Little to no pressure on the opposing QB

Playing to play defense on 3rd and 7

Champ getting lite like an Xmas tree

Oh now he's Paid a ton again.

Maybe he'll retire and we can be mediocre again.

OOH, how i hope this happens!

maher_tyler
01-12-2013, 11:05 PM
I think you just about covered it, bpc... although if I had to rank them in terms of goat-ish-ness it would go something like this:

1) Raheem Moore: In one single play, he ruined our season, Peyton Manning's MVP candidacy, Elway's Executive-of-the-year candidacy, and possibly McCoy and Del Rio's head coaching opportunities. (and he sucked in general for most of the game, to boot).

2) John Fox, Mike McCoy, Jack Del Rio: horrible, horrible game planning and play calling. The Ravens had 8 fewer days to prepare than us, and STILL had a better game plan both offensively and defensively. Questionable in-game decisions include: trying a 52-yarder in horrible conditions at the end of the half rather than go for it on 4th down; taking a knee with 31 seconds and 2 timeouts remaining; running multiple, multiple times when the defense was expecting it (and often with Jacob Hester); and running on 3rd and 7 then punting instead of trying to finish the game with a pass at the end of the 4th.

3) Peyton Manning -- his reputation for choking is deserved. Three turnovers in all, and what was essentially the game-loser in overtime. We can now officially stop including him in the list of all-time best quarterbacks, as it's an insult to Unitas, Montana and Elway to do so.

4) Dumervil and (to a lesser extent) Von Miller: only one pressure and very few QB pressures on the day -- this probably contributed to our loss as much as anything today, as Flacco had plenty of time to wind up and hit loooooooooooong passes downfield.

5) The refs: an absolutely terrible officiating job, worse than most of the replacement refs from the beginning of the season, IMO. While they made bad calls both ways, there were two atrocious 3rd-down calls late in the game (the clearly incomplete pass, and a bizarre phantom PI call against Champ three plays later) that were... well, frankly suspicious.

6) The offensive line: gave up three sacks and multiple pressures throughout the game. Given how much fresher and healthier they were than the Ravens, and that they're acclimated to the altitude, this is a problem that should probably be addressed in the offseason -- Franklin might be better suited to guard, and we might need to go fishing for a replacement right tackle.

7) Champ -- possibly the worst game I ever saw him play. However, some of the blame lies with the safeties for being out of position on some of the plays where he got beat, and additional blame goes to the coaching staff for leaving him on an island at times without any support.

All in all, it's a complete and systemic failure by the Broncos -- it's very fair to compare this to the great bed-****ting of 1996.

Manning should have only had the one turnover and who knows what happens if the refs didn't call the worst playoff game ever! The pick 6 was clearly PI that wasn't called. Then the refs mysteriously forget about the tuck rule. The refs played a huge roll in the out come of this game!

SonOfLe-loLang
01-12-2013, 11:06 PM
Off the top of my head, the only other one I can think of is that playoff game against the Colts in either 2004 or 2005 where nobody touched the receiver after a catch (including Al Wilson, I believe) and he got up and ran for a touchdown while they watched.

But we were blown out of those games.

We can pick and choose dumb plays, but the timing of this one was pretty ... i dont even know the word. The opposite of good.

barryr
01-12-2013, 11:07 PM
Miller and Dumervil were nonfactors in the game, but I'm used to that from Dumervil.

Champ looked bad out there and Moore should be out of the NFL making such a pathetic, stupid play on a ball late in the game. The Broncos simply could not cover long passes and with the time needed for Flacco to thrown such passes, Miller and Dumervil were held in check and did little in the game.

I was afraid having a week off would hurt the Broncos and with all the mistakes they made, I think it showed.

loborugger
01-12-2013, 11:11 PM
Oh now he's Paid a ton again.

Maybe he'll retire and we can be mediocre again.

OOH, how i hope this happens!

Maybe we (Bowlen) can pay him $100 million for play off appearances and no win play off wins.

razorwire77
01-12-2013, 11:19 PM
(In order of blame)

1.) Coaching. Plain and simple, coaching. How many bull **** conservative run the ball on 2nd and 1, run the ball on 3rd and 1 calls did we get, even before the 3rd and 7 call. And we did this with a scat back (Hillman) and a scrub back Hester. I understand not being able to get the ball deep down the field, but at times we were killing them on shallow crossing routes, and we just completely abandoned that. Didn't force Ray Lewis to cover a RB in space much. JDR doesn't escape blame either. Flacco has a terrible habit of pulling deep out of the pocket when exposed to pressure up the middle? A gap pressure? Nope, he could make a ****ing sandwich most of the time. The field goal attempt was a strangely un Fox like call and yet it still sucked.

2.) Rahim Moore. We win the game if he makes that stop in any fashion, period. Even if he gives up the big play if he stays in front of the defender he makes the tackle at the 18, they still have to run all the way down the field with no timeouts and set and spike the ball. Instead he takes the worst angle I've ever seen a defensive player take. Trade him for a 6th rounder, cheeseburger, whatever, he's done here.

3.) Officiating. Not going to go over the litany of terrible calls again, but I would also add the time they took to make a call. You threw the god damn flag, make a call. These all-star officiating crews need to go bye bye. Also a ton of late flags, and inconsistent ticky tack ****. Probably the most poorly officiated playoff game since the Seahawks got ****ed in the SB.

4.) Champ- This was your last best chance buddy and you shat the bed.

5.) Doom/Von- Von didn't play poorly, but this should have been the game where he asserted himself as the young dominant Lion in the AFC. Instead he was "meh." Seriously doubt JJ. Watt is going to have a meh game tomorrow.

6.) Peyton. He had some bad audibles into runs. He didn't drive the ball effectively. His placement was off and he ultimately provided the dagger in OT.

7.) Decker and DT. Holding or not, Decker should have snagged the ball on that pick six. DT sans the touchdown was a ghost.

8.) Interior offensive line. Mount Cody and Ngata largely blew **** up today. Tough game to be a lineman because of the officating, but still.

9.) Prater. Perfect snap, perfect hold, at least make contact with the ball.

barryr
01-12-2013, 11:40 PM
(In order of blame)

1.) Coaching. Plain and simple, coaching. How many bull **** conservative run the ball on 2nd and 1, run the ball on 3rd and 1 calls did we get, even before the 3rd and 7 call. And we did this with a scat back (Hillman) and a scrub back Hester. I understand not being able to get the ball deep down the field, but at times we were killing them on shallow crossing routes, and we just completely abandoned that. Didn't force Ray Lewis to cover a RB in space much. JDR doesn't escape blame either. Flacco has a terrible habit of pulling deep out of the pocket when exposed to pressure up the middle? A gap pressure? Nope, he could make a ****ing sandwich most of the time. The field goal attempt was a strangely un Fox like call and yet it still sucked.

2.) Rahim Moore. We win the game if he makes that stop in any fashion, period. Even if he gives up the big play if he stays in front of the defender he makes the tackle at the 18, they still have to run all the way down the field with no timeouts and set and spike the ball. Instead he takes the worst angle I've ever seen a defensive player take. Trade him for a 6th rounder, cheeseburger, whatever, he's done here.

3.) Officiating. Not going to go over the litany of terrible calls again, but I would also add the time they took to make a call. You threw the god damn flag, make a call. These all-star officiating crews need to go bye bye. Also a ton of late flags, and inconsistent ticky tack ****. Probably the most poorly officiated playoff game since the Seahawks got ****ed in the SB.

4.) Champ- This was your last best chance buddy and you shat the bed.

5.) Doom/Von- Von didn't play poorly, but this should have been the game where he asserted himself as the young dominant Lion in the AFC. Instead he was "meh." Seriously doubt JJ. Watt is going to have a meh game tomorrow.

6.) Peyton. He had some bad audibles into runs. He didn't drive the ball effectively. His placement was off and he ultimately provided the dagger in OT.

7.) Decker and DT. Holding or not, Decker should have snagged the ball on that pick six. DT sans the touchdown was a ghost.

8.) Interior offensive line. Mount Cody and Ngata largely blew **** up today. Tough game to be a lineman because of the officating, but still.

9.) Prater. Perfect snap, perfect hold, at least make contact with the ball.

Yep, Kuper did not play a good game in this one. Can the Broncos find a goos safety someday? Just get me one, I'd love 2 of course, but I'd settle for one that can make a positive difference for once.

razorwire77
01-13-2013, 12:00 AM
Yep, Kuper did not play a good game in this one. Can the Broncos find a goos safety someday? Just get me one, I'd love 2 of course, but I'd settle for one that can make a positive difference for once.

Some good safeties at the bottom of the 1st round/top of the 2nd round. The Vacaro (sp?) kid from Texas will be a good one. Denver needs more dynamic playmakers on offense as well. A TE that can stretch the field (I like Gavin Escobar with a 4th rounder) another WR, and an upgrade at RB.

Holes were exposed today in addition to Fox and company's meltdown.

ChrisToker
01-13-2013, 12:04 AM
I'm trying not to, but if you think about it ... did Holliday make this game closer than the score would indicate?

This will sound weird but if holliday gets tackled both times and we get a few first downs at worst that would have put us around 80 plus plays in mid 4th qtr. Would the ravens. D been more tanked than they already were? I'm just throwing a different view hypothetical of course that's why he was a great pick up for us. But between his scores and the officials phuking us on key drives, I assume we would have had crazy time of possession

razorwire77
01-13-2013, 12:21 AM
This will sound weird but if holliday gets tackled both times and we get a few first downs at worst that would have put us around 80 plus plays in mid 4th qtr. Would the ravens. D been more tanked than they already were? I'm just throwing a different view hypothetical of course that's why he was a great pick up for us. But between his scores and the officials phuking us on key drives, I assume we would have had crazy time of possession

They were already tanked and ready to tap out. Halfway through the 4th quarter, CBS panned around the Raven's side-line and they all looked like they wanted to hop on the warm bus back to the airport. Then John Fox **** the bed. Then Rahim Moore **** the bed. Then Peyton Manning **** the bed. Bottom line is the Ravens were ready to be put out to pasture and Denver didn't have the heart, desire, balls whatever you want to call it do finish them. Instead, they played not to lose as the old cliche goes. Except for Rahim Moore, who thought he'd try to be Deion Sanders instead of staying in front of the defender.

canadianbroncosfan
01-13-2013, 12:25 AM
I'm trying not to, but if you think about it ... did Holliday make this game closer than the score would indicate?

I always hate these hindsight things. Nothing saying if he doesn't return them for TDs that PFM doesn't march them down the field and score anyways.

If PFM doesn't have three turnovers is this game not a blow out?

Pick Six
01-13-2013, 12:26 AM
This will sound weird but if holliday gets tackled both times and we get a few first downs at worst that would have put us around 80 plus plays in mid 4th qtr. Would the ravens. D been more tanked than they already were? I'm just throwing a different view hypothetical of course that's why he was a great pick up for us. But between his scores and the officials phuking us on key drives, I assume we would have had crazy time of possession

You assume that they actually wanted to be there. They all had the look of wanting to be anywhere else but sub-freezing weather...

Agamemnon
01-13-2013, 12:27 AM
Players having bad games and making mistakes on the field I can deal with, but what Fox did as a coach today is unforgivable. For me that's what this is really about. The day he is no longer the Broncos head coach can't come fast enough for me. He's the Kyle Orton of head coaches in my eyes.

OABB
01-13-2013, 06:57 AM
We needed a qb who steps it up under pressure, not throws it away. Manning is amazing, but clutch? No. He threw a game ender in the SB too. 9-11 in the playoffs... That int killed me.

orinjkrush
01-13-2013, 07:22 AM
plenty of finger pointing to go around. everybody is searching for answers. the true test for Elway now will be can he make the TOUGH choices necessary to fix the holes that were clearly exposed. Or will he go safe and putz around at the margin?
Questions: Fox/McCoy playcalling? Champ? Safeties? No pressure on D? Pressure on Peyton? Covering TEs? Fragile RBs? and the biggest question of all: how much DID those refs cost?

Cito Pelon
01-13-2013, 07:44 AM
I don't think anybody will go cut themselves. Jesus.

It sucks, life moves on. It's been a long time since 98'. I was 18. Getting close to double that age now.

Yesterday's loss aged you a few more years? ;)

go_broncos
01-13-2013, 07:50 AM
Now..i understand why SD fired marty..Of course, hiring Norv is a mistake.
But, with Marty they were not going to win SB..
I will not feel sad if Elway decides to fire fox..the tough part will be who will be the new coach..

Lolad
01-13-2013, 07:50 AM
The blame lies with the coaching staff. Fox FG attempt is mind boggling, JDR dropping Von into coverage too many times, McCoy not exposing Ray Lewis, calling dive plays on consecutive downs.

Rahim might be the worst safety in football, why was he going for a pick? Why did our play calling resemble the same **** Tebow was running late in the game and overtime? Why did we stop using the PA pass in overtime on early downs? Why did Fox not attempt a game winning FG before the end of regulation?

We gave them the game, I guess we didn't deserve to win.... I'm puzzeled

IowaBroncosFan
01-13-2013, 07:52 AM
We also lost both Defensive and Offensive lines..... Disappointed in Fox/McCoy play calling

BroncoBeavis
01-13-2013, 08:01 AM
(In order of blame)

1.) Coaching. Plain and simple, coaching. How many bull **** conservative run the ball on 2nd and 1, run the ball on 3rd and 1 calls did we get, even before the 3rd and 7 call. And we did this with a scat back (Hillman) and a scrub back Hester. I understand not being able to get the ball deep down the field, but at times we were killing them on shallow crossing routes, and we just completely abandoned that. Didn't force Ray Lewis to cover a RB in space much. JDR doesn't escape blame either. Flacco has a terrible habit of pulling deep out of the pocket when exposed to pressure up the middle? A gap pressure? Nope, he could make a ****ing sandwich most of the time. The field goal attempt was a strangely un Fox like call and yet it still sucked.

Those 2nd and one calls were killing me. I was calling McCoy an idiot after those and my youngest son informed me that wasn't polite. :)

Dink and dunk drives stall because it only takes one mistake to end them. 2nd and short is your ”free” chance to finish a drive or at least take bigger chunks. Just like you usually double down on 11 you take some shots on 2nd and short. You can't treat PFM like Kyle Orton and expect to win playoff games. Plus it did nothing to help his rhythm.

TonyR
01-13-2013, 08:55 AM
At least the officiating f**k ups aren't completely lost on the media.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/officials-rough-day-denver-broncos-lose-ravens-050004687--nfl.html

colonelbeef
01-13-2013, 08:57 AM
Conservative playcalling on both sides of the ball killed them. Flacco's jersey was lily white well into overtime, and every pass play was within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Mix in a few bad calls and some unbelievable and you have a disaster on your hands.

The Broncos deserved that loss based on the playcalling alone.

broncocalijohn
01-13-2013, 10:37 AM
We needed a qb who steps it up under pressure, not throws it away. Manning is amazing, but clutch? No. He threw a game ender in the SB too. 9-11 in the playoffs... That int killed me.

It was better when you were gone for a year. I was excited last year like so many with Tebow winning (despite the fact it was ugly). We most likely got as far as we could with Tebow. Manning isn't a $90 million waste. That contract is for more than one season numbnuts. If you are going to start posting again after leaving us for a year, get facts correct. Tebow would not have got us a 1st round bye....period. No guarantee he would have 1) got us to the playoffs (but a good chance with our division) and 2) would have won the first playoff game. Let it rest troll. If this is a duplicate of 1996, you will have wished you never posted this **** before. BTW, how was the Gang Green website this season for you?

RedskinBronco
01-13-2013, 10:42 AM
We played our 'D' game and deserved to lose. I am amazed at the fact that the Broncos could have still won if it wasn't for that pathetic hail mary there at the end.

It is what it is. Just please, anyone but NE or Seattle.

Go Atlanta/SF/Houston. Please come thru

I will take a ravens W in a blowout if it's NE/BAL, please.

The ravens just hung in there and battled, this was all on the broncos and I'm sure the guys will regret this one for a while. Let's see how they come out next season; but make no mistake this one will burn them for the whole offseason. You should not be playing if it doesn't

OABB
01-13-2013, 10:44 AM
It was better when you were gone for a year. I was excited last year like so many with Tebow winning (despite the fact it was ugly). We most likely got as far as we could with Tebow. Manning isn't a $90 million waste. That contract is for more than one season numbnuts. If you are going to start posting again after leaving us for a year, get facts correct. Tebow would not have got us a 1st round bye....period. No guarantee he would have 1) got us to the playoffs (but a good chance with our division) and 2) would have won the first playoff game. Let it rest troll. If this is a duplicate of 1996, you will have wished you never posted this **** before. BTW, how was the Gang Green website this season for you?

I like manning, I rooted hard for us this year. I'm questioning his clutchness, and when you factor in the money I am not wrong to be questioning. Check all my posts..l I think we are going to be in the sb conversation for the next few years.

I love manning.

But 90 million for an overtime int is not a great return. I hope he takes us all the way.

Dedhed
01-13-2013, 10:48 AM
There were a number of idiot moves, but trying a 53 yard FG late in the first half in that weather was the idiot move that started it all.

Punt, take a 7 point lead into the locker room, and get the ball to start the second half. We win if we punt there.

broncocalijohn
01-13-2013, 10:49 AM
I love manning.

But 90 million for an overtime int is not a great return. I hope he takes us all the way.


Dude, it is $90 million over his Broncos contract. If you think he is going to take us to at least a Super Bowl, where is the hatred of the contract? His contract is around $24 million not $90 million if you are going to stop at this one season.

Cito Pelon
01-13-2013, 10:50 AM
I'm still wondering what the D philosophy was. Champ playing the slot, and Tony Carter at LCB? WTF is that? No blitzes to get after Flacco? Why the **** do you pull Champ from LCB so much and put Tony Carter at LCB? Champ is the LCB, done it well over the years, and Del Rio puts him in the slot for this game?

OABB
01-13-2013, 10:53 AM
^^^
Dude, it is $90 million over his Broncos contract. If you think he is going to take us to at least a Super Bowl, where is the hatred of the contract? His contract is around $24 million not $90 million if you are going to stop at this one season.

I prefer to focus on the big picture. Always have. That is why I always am right. Details can blind you. Stats can make any argument.

That's a lot of coin to go from winning a playoff game to losing one don't you think?


Big picture.

RedskinBronco
01-13-2013, 10:56 AM
John Fox coached the worst game I have ever seen him coach.

What a time to have your worst coached game in your career. He choked big time.

TonyR
01-13-2013, 11:02 AM
There were a number of idiot moves, but trying a 53 yard FG late in the first half in that weather was the idiot move that started it all.

Punt, take a 7 point lead into the locker room, and get the ball to start the second half. We win if we punt there.

Yup. People are focusing on running instead of passing towards the end of regulation but this was a much bigger blunder. And not the conservative move, contrary to many other things they're being criticized for.

broncocalijohn
01-13-2013, 11:07 AM
I prefer to focus on the big picture. Always have. That is why I always am right. Details can blind you. Stats can make any argument.

That's a lot of coin to go from winning a playoff game to losing one don't you think?


Big picture.

You are such an idiot. Your post smells of a massive ego that has flaws in it. What is the big picture, this season only or the three years we will probably have Manning? If it is 3 seasons, this is the first step and while it stopped way too early (at least an AFC berth), the end of last season would never have us at 13-3 and with the first seed. No way in how even you and your statement with Tebow balls hanging from your mouth could have seen this! So stop being a lying bitch and calling this a $90 million mistake if everyone (99%) agrees he should be the QB for at least next season. Manning has brought credibility to this franchise again and it will continue when he fulfills his contract and gives us playoff victories. We didn't take a step back for this franchise, we took a step forward to greatness. That just isn't for Manning but the whole team. We will be better and stronger next season. You can either watch us make this move or pop in the Steelers playoff victory and replay it for the next few seasons. Your choice.

Requiem
01-13-2013, 11:09 AM
We **** the bed like the cocktease panty waist franchise we are. Same **** as usual.

RedskinBronco
01-13-2013, 11:13 AM
How about this for vent: Yesterday's choke job was very Washington Capitals like!

OABB
01-13-2013, 11:14 AM
You are such an idiot. Your post smells of a massive ego that has flaws in it. What is the big picture, this season only or the three years we will probably have Manning? If it is 3 seasons, this is the first step and while it stopped way too early (at least an AFC berth), the end of last season would never have us at 13-3 and with the first seed. No way in how even you and your statement with Tebow balls hanging from your mouth could have seen this! So stop being a lying b**** and calling this a $90 million mistake if everyone (99%) agrees he should be the QB for at least next season. Manning has brought credibility to this franchise again and it will continue when he fulfills his contract and gives us playoff victories. We didn't take a step back for this franchise, we took a step forward to greatness. That just isn't for Manning but the whole team. We will be better and stronger next season. You can either watch us make this move or pop in the Steelers playoff victory and replay it for the next few seasons. Your choice.


It's plan A...I'm on board. I don't hold on to the past.

I merely use it as an example to show how right I always am.

Like 90 million to not win a playoff game when we did last year has me right.


If manning wins the whole thing, then I will be wrong and admit it.


I always do. I mean I have.


Actually it hasn't happened yet.

Except when I wasn't psychic enough to know Moreno would get hurt.

I'm still human, just not psychic.

OABB
01-13-2013, 11:16 AM
And never wrong of course.

broncocalijohn
01-13-2013, 11:30 AM
And never wrong of course.

and your misguided math and your banning for a year proved that.

OABB
01-13-2013, 11:37 AM
and your misguided math and your banning for a year proved that.

I wasn't banned. I lost a bet. As I said, not psychic. Thinking Moreno would be effective was not wrong. I was right about him. I did not know he would get injured and at the time had no injury history.

I stand by him, but his injuries are a concern now.

Hulamau
01-13-2013, 11:44 AM
1. Officiating called one of the worst games i've ever seen. It's not the sole reason for the loss but it was bad and we got screwed hard. 3rd and 1, 1st down, hold, bring it back. Non PI calls... there were too many to count. The Boldin catch? Good god. It felt like an NBA game.
2. Pressure got the best of this team especially in the coaching department. We played out our version of the 98' Vikings. Things we did in the regular season, we didn't do here. Pick any 3rd and 1 bland run call. Could have been an audible, whatever. Why have Peyton Manning if you are going to hand off to your 49th best player in Jacob Hester? Go WIN the game! The defense in particular just nutted up. The group as a whole made Flacco look like Kurt Warner. What were they doing? A lot of this falls on JDR. The troops didn't look prepared. Baltimore ran a lot of bunch plays and our guys looked lost in coverage.
3. Doom and Von disappeared. The difference between the PM Colts and the PM Broncos is that Freeney/Mooris actually stepped up in the playoffs. Doom/Von disappeared. (I thought Von had a solid game, just not great.)
4. Champ had one of his worst games as a Bronco. Awful game. Might be time to play some safety.
5. Rahim Moore. Nuff said. Blew the game. Not the only reason we lost but come on, you might as well walk off the field and make it 10 vs. 11 with how he lost focus and just drifted around. Ever heard of "Don't let the WR get behind you?" or "High Point the ball?". These things are taught in grade school pop warner leagues.
6. Manning TO's. Not sure what was going on with that but that's been the knock on Peyton and it reared it's ugly head again. The frustrated thing was the 1st INT was Decker's fault, HOWEVER, IT WAS A PI which wasn't called! The fumble came after a 3rd and 1 conversion called back by phantom holding call against Kuper. See #1.
7. Why not throw to Demaryius Thomas? 3 for 37 and he somewhat disappeared down the stretch of the season. We needed to call his number. And we didn't. And we lost. I think they go hand and hand. DT alters the coverage. Decker is a #2 WR. He takes advantage of what DT does to the lid on the coverage. Very poor game planning by Fox/McCoy/Peyton, whom ever was deciding on these plays.

Feel free to add others.

Solid List BPC, Alas, big check marks for each one!

Especially Foxy's ingrained habit of shifting once again to playing NOT TO LOSE rather than PLAYING TO WIN once we get any sort of lead in the last half of the 4th quarter!

Was really unforgivable and is Fox's Achillie's Heal as a coach that must be correct somehow, someway before he will ever win a SB.

He lacks the insight and gut feel for when to chuck his ultra conservative notions and let the Offense WIN THE DAMN GAME at the critical moment!!

I and others have complained about this frequently this season after a number of our big wins that should have been by a much more lopsided score, but his penchant for taking his foot off the gas on O and going prevent D too early usually led to scores that made the game look a lot closer than it ever was.

My problem with all this as discussed in threads after the New Orleans game, the Cincy game, Bucs game and the first Baltimore game was that even though us winning those games only reinforced his conviction in it being the right strategy, I've been afraid that habit and mind-set would really cost us in the playoffs against better teams.

Yesterday was 'Exhibit A' proving the concern!! You gotta know when to take the game over and not back-in hoping not to lose and counting that your defense will make one more stop once we have to give the ball back to an opponent with time enough to score and and only needing that one score to tie or win the game!

This isnt rocket science and the fact that Fox hasn't learned this lesson yet, indicates a stubborn 'I know best' mentality a mile wide.

I Like Fox as a HC, but somehow they have to take late game decision making and play calling out of his hands. Let him handle all the player interactions and overall concept side of things, but don't let him have a controlling say so with his finger too close to the actual pulse of any games going forward.

Fox gets that one thing right and Rahim Moore is no goat and Manning is the savior Hero he should have been at the end of regulation with no legitimate unforced turn overs on the day!

And we win the game in spite of all the bad calls throughout the game and poor secondary coverage in the first half. In spite of Manning's two regulation 'turnovers' which were both FUBARS by the refs ... the Decker mugging pick 6 TD that should never have counted and the head ref single single-handedly deciding to scrap the Tuck rule on the Manning incomplete pass/fumble that should not have been a turnover and that led dircectly to another 7 points.

That's 14 points given by the refs .. not to mention a hand ful of other terrible calls.

But if Fox steps up and seizes the Golden opportunity, none of that would have mattered and we win the game as we should have across the board!

All Foxy had too do was have the courage to tell Peyton to go for it and get two first downs at all cost with a little over 3 minutes to go instead of resorting to three 'Dive play' runs up the middle with Hillman and Hester our only options left at RB where Fox's prime objective was to run as much time off the clock as he could and then punt the ball away with hopefully not enough time for the Ravens to tie the game .. if we somehow got a first down from those dive plays then Hurrah and all the better but that was not the primary objective!

That was my biggest beef.

Plenty of other blame to go around, but Manning had a very good game overall under very difficult circumstances for a precision passing QB in the arctic cold, but Manning didn't cost us this game .. it was lost much earlier when Foxy took the foot off the gas and we could never get it going again in over time

WABronco
01-13-2013, 12:01 PM
I feel bad for the oldest fans. This was a legit chance at a SB and it turned into a colossal choke job. We have years left to watch them but It's gotta be tough for the older fans. A dam shame how this game unfolded.

Thanks for the comic relief.

Hell, I'm sure some of the older old fans died off last night...their hearts broke! Poor old Denver fans...