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ozomulsion
01-12-2013, 07:59 PM
I love the guy. I was a huge fan of his while he played for Indy, and everyone on this board loved to point out how he is simply Average(or below in the playoffs. The interception in the Super Bowl when he could've tied the game. The interception at the end of this game. These are just 2 of soooo many instances in which he's let down his team.

Yeah, there are a million other reasons that we lost this game. My point is that not only are punts in OT not acceptable, but INTs are even more unacceptable. He's so much like Brett Favra in clutch situations, and always will be. I'll always love watching him play for us. He is the Best Regular Season QB ever. I was not a bit surprised by today's game, enjoyed the hell out of this season and it unfortunately ended much like I thought it would. Without a ring. For all of those with reading comprehension problem, I did not just blame our loss on PM, but he sure didn't go out and take the game for us.

ghwk
01-12-2013, 08:01 PM
Your post was fine but I really couldn't concentrate because of your avi. Who is that killer rear end attached to?

go_broncos
01-12-2013, 08:02 PM
He is much better QB than Brett in playoffs.
We can't trust him to win games in playoffs.
Brady is much better QB than Manning.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-12-2013, 08:04 PM
I'm not pinning this one in Peyton. Sorry. He wasn't amazing but he wasn't bad. I know it's a neat little narrative, but not buying it. Our d sucked

rbackfactory80
01-12-2013, 08:07 PM
Yeah OZ, I wish I could say I didn't see this coming.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-12-2013, 08:08 PM
Entirely too simple if an Argument. If rahim Moore isn't a dumb asshole this thread doesn't exist

ozomulsion
01-12-2013, 08:11 PM
Your post was fine but I really couldn't concentrate because of your avi. Who is that killer rear end attached to?

It didn't say who it was, but had some writing surrounding it. I did a screen cap, which I pretty much never do, and cropped the good part, it is one of the most perfect asses I've ever seen. I too, wish I knew who it belongs too.

ozomulsion
01-12-2013, 08:19 PM
Entirely too simple if an Argument. If rahim Moore isn't a dumb a-hole this thread doesn't exist

True for this week. If it wasn't this week, it would've been the next, or the next. It's always been that way, besides the year that Bob Sanders inspired his team to allow 16 PPG, and Payton got away with 3tds - 7ints on the way to his only SB ring.

Rohirrim
01-12-2013, 08:28 PM
Our secondary today was completely exposed.

razorwire77
01-12-2013, 08:31 PM
Not just our secondary though. They were exposed in part because our vaunted edge rushers failed to get consistent pressure on the quarterback. Von could have snatched the crown from Ray Ray Old Lion to New Lion as the alpha defender in the AFC and instead he was meh. Doom got held badly a couple of times, but he also pulled a Houdini.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-12-2013, 08:34 PM
Spell his name right if you're going to knock the guy.

ozomulsion
01-12-2013, 08:35 PM
I don't argue any of these points, but when the game was in the hands of PFM(the most awesome QB ever!) at the end, an INT was thrown.

KipCorrington25
01-12-2013, 08:35 PM
He was totally outplayed by Flacco keep that in mind...

Rohirrim
01-12-2013, 08:36 PM
Perfect solution: Peyton for the season. Eli for the post-season.

ozomulsion
01-12-2013, 08:48 PM
Perfect solution: Peyton for the season. Eli for the post-season.

Zing!! The perfect QB, if you could combine the two.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-12-2013, 09:47 PM
If rahim Moore does his job, the story is Peyton's efficient 100+ rating day and a clutch drive for the go ahead score. It didn't happen that way. I get it. People want to attach a narrative to give something some order. Well unfortunately life doesn't work that way. Yes, he threw a bad pick in a game that shoulda been over long before that. Whatever

ozomulsion
01-12-2013, 10:17 PM
Same story, different team. He had the ball in his hands with a chance to win and he threw an int. He is who he is. The best regular season QB of all time. 9-11 playoff record. He looked perfectly content during his press conference. I'm not placing all the blame on him by any means, but he had the ball at the end and choked.

Atwater His Ass
01-12-2013, 10:23 PM
It was very disappointing to see Peyton throw that last horrible interception. But this game was lost by Fox and the defense in my mind. Fox refused to let Manning of the chain and Martyballed us into a loss.

I will never be able to forgive Moore for how bad he was out of position.

barryr
01-12-2013, 10:26 PM
I don't blame the loss on Manning so much. Yes, he had turnovers, but the Bronco defense pulled their usual crap playoff performance that we should be accustomed to by now.

GreatBronco16
01-12-2013, 10:45 PM
I'm sorry, but was I watching a different game or was our Champ Bailey just get beat like a drum in this game? I mean the entire secondary had one of the biggest brain farts to end the 4th quarter esp. Moore. Holy salty ta tas batman was our secondary punked by the great Joe Flacco.

And where was our vertical passing game today? God I'm sooooo pissed off.

anon
01-12-2013, 10:52 PM
They just showed the replay of the end of the game today... when Moore made that mistake there were 33 seconds left on the clock. If he had just pushed the guy out of bounds, our chances of winning were still good. Oh, coulda shoulda woulda...

TomServo
01-12-2013, 11:24 PM
my daughter got home from high school basketball just in time to see us lose. she asked why i wasnt all upset and cussing. i told her it was because it was manning and not elway on that last drive. as much as this game was like the loss to the jags.- total D breakdown. just like we made mark brunnel look good we made flacco look good.
manning just isnt elway w/it comes to playoff time. with the ball in our hands with just a field goal to win it and... a rookie mistake interception? after all the mistakes the broncos made, moore, bailey...manning had the game in his hands and he throws a pic.
theres a reason ol number 7 went to 5 superbowls and won two.

TomServo
01-12-2013, 11:31 PM
p.s. i did not miss my daughter playing, she does books and scoreboard.

Al Wilson
01-12-2013, 11:34 PM
Atleast spell his ****ing name right

ozomulsion
01-13-2013, 12:43 PM
my daughter got home from high school basketball just in time to see us lose. she asked why i wasnt all upset and cussing. i told her it was because it was manning and not elway on that last drive. as much as this game was like the loss to the jags.- total D breakdown. just like we made mark brunnel look good we made flacco look good.
manning just isnt elway w/it comes to playoff time. with the ball in our hands with just a field goal to win it and... a rookie mistake interception? after all the mistakes the broncos made, moore, bailey...manning had the game in his hands and he throws a pic.
theres a reason ol number 7 went to 5 superbowls and won two.

Perfectly said, my friend. PM gets paid 20 million a year so he can have an amazing regular season, and crap out in the playoffs. It has always been that way dating back to College, when he Never managed to win the big one. If we really expect to win a SB with him at QB, it's gonna have to be with great defense and a dominant running game. If we don't manage to get a really good RB and fill some of those holes on D, we can expect more of the same.

gunns
01-13-2013, 12:50 PM
I'm not pinning this one in Peyton. Sorry. He wasn't amazing but he wasn't bad. I know it's a neat little narrative, but not buying it. Our d sucked

Agreed. As much as I've enjoyed watching Manning perform this year, give me a dominant D anyday over a dominant QB. Let's just get the pieces because next year is our year.

rugbythug
01-13-2013, 12:55 PM
Amazing hind site. We should get a different MVP qb.

Popps
01-13-2013, 12:57 PM
Wow, this place turns on a QB faster than anything I've ever seen.

Defense gives up 38 points (31 technically) and we hate Manning. Got it.

How about unleashing our 90 mil QB when the game is on the line? That's my thought.

Manning had three mistakes...

-Pick six - was clearly PI
-Tuck rule - tuck rule?
-OT in overtime - should have never happened because the game could have ended 10 different ways if we don't step on our dicks defensively and via coaching.

Manning didn't play his best game, but you people are out of your mind bashing the guy.
If you were around for Elway's whole career, you know how ludicrous this blame the QB game is.

But, that's just the Mane being the Mane.

I can't wait for Manning to have a chance to go all the way next year, and hopefully with a more competent supporting cast.

We were 13-3. If Phillip Rivers was our QB this year, we would have been 7-9 at best.

Show some ****ing gratitude for Elway bringing in one of the best QBs in history.

Popps
01-13-2013, 01:00 PM
I mean, is anyone claiming that Manning "choked" the game away willing to discuss the potentially winning TD drive he put together in crunch time that should have easily sealed the game?

Anyone?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-13-2013, 01:13 PM
There's plenty of blame to go around.

I had sort of a sense of dread going into the game insofar as I was thinking our easy schedule going into the post season wasn't the best thing in the world for us.

winstoncup bronco
01-13-2013, 01:18 PM
Manning had the ball in his hands twice in OT.

First drive:

1-10-DEN 16 (10:22) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass incomplete short right to 21-R.Hillman [99-P.Kruger].

2-10-DEN 16 (10:19) 21-R.Hillman left end to DEN 21 for 5 yards (24-C.Graham).

3-5-DEN 21 (9:41) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short right to 14-B.Stokley to DEN 30 for 9 yards (24-C.Graham). The Replay Assistant challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld

1-10-DEN 30 (9:01) 21-R.Hillman up the middle to DEN 38 for 8 yards (59-D.Ellerbe).

2-2-DEN 38 (8:19) 21-R.Hillman up the middle to DEN 39 for 1 yard (55-T.Suggs).

3-1-DEN 39 (7:48) 40-J.Hester right guard to DEN 39 for no gain (55-T.Suggs).

4-1-DEN 39 (6:58) 4-B.Colquitt punts 55 yards to BAL 6, Center-46-A.Brewer. 20-E.Reed to BAL 6 for no gain (32-T.Carter).


Second drive:

1-10-DEN 7 (3:47) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short left to 21-R.Hillman to DEN 12 for 5 yards (52-R.Lewis; 29-C.Williams).

2-5-DEN 12 (3:18) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short left to 87-E.Decker pushed ob at DEN 23 for 11 yards (29-C.Williams).

1-10-DEN 23 (3:09) 21-R.Hillman left tackle to DEN 32 for 9 yards (52-R.Lewis).

2-1-DEN 32 (2:38) 21-R.Hillman up the middle to DEN 32 for no gain (59-D.Ellerbe).

3-1-DEN 32 (2:09) 40-J.Hester up the middle to DEN 34 for 2 yards (55-T.Suggs).

1-10-DEN 34 (1:33) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short middle to 21-R.Hillman to DEN 38 for 4 yards (24-C.Graham).

2-6-DEN 38 (1:01) (Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short right intended for 14-B.Stokley INTERCEPTED by 24-C.Graham at DEN 45. 24-C.Graham to DEN 45 for no gain (14-B.Stokley).



So Manning was 4-5 for 29 yards in OT. Whoa, check out that 80% completion percentage!

Hillman had 23 yards himself before Manning threw that horrible pick.

9-11 in post season. 2-5 in his last seven. He had this monkey on his back when he got here, and yes, if he was on the Niners or Colts and did the same, people would be all over him as a choker.

ozomulsion
01-13-2013, 01:27 PM
I made this thread last night when everyone was putting blame around everyone but Manning. Good point on what should've been the game winning drive that put us up 35-28. That didn't work out, so do it again in OT. Is that really too much to ask from our Pro-bowl $20 million QB? Is it really? The song has remained the same with him dating back to college. There's 21 years worth of hard evidence that says he's not to be relied on in crunch time.

elsid13
01-13-2013, 01:36 PM
Much like Elway at the end of his career, Manning is not going to do it all by his own. He needs a strong running game that will keep defense honest and ensure that Play action is there for him and the big plays.

Br0nc0Buster
01-13-2013, 01:38 PM
Much like Elway at the end of his career, Manning is not going to do it all by his own. He needs a strong running game that will keep defense honest and ensure that Play action is there for him and the big plays.

and a defense that doesnt **** its pants

Tombstone RJ
01-13-2013, 02:11 PM
there's plenty of blame to go around and yes, the ratbirds played a fantastic game too. Flacco had nothing to lose and played like it, he throw up some lobs and the WRs made plays. Give credit to baltimore for making the plays when they had to. As for Manning, as others have said, he did not play his best game but he didn't lose the game all by himself either. The Broncos were just outplayed on both offense and defense. The Broncos defensive line did not pressure Flacco at all. It's like VonDoom dissappeared. The play where Miller was called offsides was a bad call, yes, Miller was moving but the ball was snapped and Miller was not offsides, so it was just another bad call by the refs.

I'm extremely dissappointed too, but I love the fact that Manning is the Broncos QB because I know the Broncos will be in the playoff hunt again next year. Elway played some horrendous games in the playoffs, especially in the first 3 SBs. But I always loved him as the Broncos QB because I was confident the Broncos would always have a shot at a SB championship with him. Same with Manning.

DENVERDUI55
01-13-2013, 02:16 PM
Funny how people turn on Denver's best player. Manning did his part early too bad the rest of the team couldn't especially Champ.

TheReverend
01-13-2013, 02:20 PM
Funny how people turn on Denver's best player. Manning did his part early too bad the rest of the team couldn't especially Champ.

Like pick 6,early?

Everyone contributed to the loss from Manning to Champ to Fox and everyone else (Trindon and maybe Woody and Tamme too excluded)

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 02:24 PM
Like pick 6,early?

Everyone contributed to the loss from Manning to Champ to Fox and everyone else (Trindon and maybe Woody and Tamme too excluded)

Everyone definitely contributed. I cant stop thinking about this game and all the times we ****ed up and all the blame to go around.

Having said that, Manning is pretty low on the list.

Two stats (please correct me if im wrong):

1) Prior to OT, Manning had a rating of 100 and brought the Broncos on a sweet drive to go up 35-28.

2) The broncos win percentage was 97.2 percent when Flacco let go of that hail mary heave.

We lost on a fluke play. If that fluke doesnt happen, we're all praising peyton for stepping up with ****ty ass conditions.

DENVERDUI55
01-13-2013, 02:26 PM
Like pick 6,early?

Everyone contributed to the loss from Manning to Champ to Fox and everyone else (Trindon and maybe Woody and Tamme too excluded)

He made up for it after it. The D blew this game. A team should never lose with 2 return TD and a team should never lose when scoring 35 pts. Your right though complete team loss especially coaching/play calling. Only ST showed up other than the overpaid kicker.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2013, 02:29 PM
He made up for it after it. The D blew this game. A team should never lose with 2 return TD and a team should never lose when scoring 35 pts. Your right though complete team loss especially coaching/play calling. Only ST showed up other than the overpaid kicker.

Yeah, i have to agree. If you told me the Broncos would put up 35 (regardless of how that occurred). i figured we'd blow em out.

Tombstone RJ
01-13-2013, 02:31 PM
meh, it was just not a good game for the entire team. Yes, the defense stunk on 3rd downs and yes, the offense turned the ball over and yes, the ratbirds capitalized in the end. Chock it up to the ratbirds making the plays, hanging around and finishing the game when they got their chance. Flacco made some bad throws too, but he was basically unpressured and he connected on 3rd downs.

Also, ray rice. That dude is one helluva RB. That guy cuts on a dime and he's slippery and hard to bring down. He's a weapon, that's for sure.

TheReverend
01-13-2013, 03:00 PM
He made up for it after it. The D blew this game. A team should never lose with 2 return TD and a team should never lose when scoring 35 pts. Your right though complete team loss especially coaching/play calling. Only ST showed up other than the overpaid kicker.

We lost. No one made up for their mistakes.