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dsmoot
01-11-2013, 04:14 AM
Yes on paper and in the reasoning minds of every Bronco fan, this Saturday's game vs the Ravens seems like a foregone conclusion. However this game has a very disturbing feeling about it. Manning led offense against an aging Ravens defense. An inconsistent QB (Flacco) with a very good RB (Rice) against an vastly improved, excellent pass rushing defense. Couple that with a very overconfident fan base (Mane) and all the TV pundits having already talking about a NE-Den AFC Championship game.

This has that 1996 feeling. Denver really hasn't had that playoff pressure, not many really close games (adversity) for a while nor have they had that flat game yet. I can see many situations where Flacco could come out and take care of the ball better, establish a good running game and give Denver fits. The Raven defense is considerably healthier since the last game. Many of those guys have that playoff experience and at any time play at a very high level, put pressure on Manning and get the Denver offense off balance. The Raven expectations by outsiders is very low. Don't discount the Ray retirement emotional factor.

This game has some real potential for an upset.

Bronco Rob
01-11-2013, 04:23 AM
FYI: The Broncos defense has not allowed a 300 yard passer all season, nor a 100 yard rusher since Joe Mays was put on the IR. If Michael Dean Perry had waddled his tubby butt off the field, Elway would have three rings.

The sky is not falling: repeat: The sky is not falling...


:thumbs:

backup qb
01-11-2013, 04:43 AM
I still hate Michael Dean Perry for that.

gunns
01-11-2013, 05:02 AM
Yes on paper and in the reasoning minds of every Bronco fan, this Saturday's game vs the Ravens seems like a foregone conclusion. However this game has a very disturbing feeling about it. Manning led offense against an aging Ravens defense. An inconsistent QB (Flacco) with a very good RB (Rice) against an vastly improved, excellent pass rushing defense. Couple that with a very overconfident fan base (Mane) and all the TV pundits having already talking about a NE-Den AFC Championship game.

This has that 1996 feeling. Denver really hasn't had that playoff pressure, not many really close games (adversity) for a while nor have they had that flat game yet. I can see many situations where Flacco could come out and take care of the ball better, establish a good running game and give Denver fits. The Raven defense is considerably healthier since the last game. Many of those guys have that playoff experience and at any time play at a very high level, put pressure on Manning and get the Denver offense off balance. The Raven expectations by outsiders is very low. Don't discount the Ray retirement emotional factor.

This game has some real potential for an upset.

I have felt like this all week mainly because we've had so many disappointments over the last 13 years. But I do not look at the Ravens the same way I did Jacksonville. They would have to be this years Chiefs for me to do that.

I think a lot of Bronco fans are being realistic, the ones I've talked with. Yes it could happen but I also believe the Broncos themselves are not viewing the Ravens as a "gimme" game and will play to their full abilities. They (primarily Manning) know about the Ravens playoff experience and that they will be putting pressure on Manning. I think this comes down to our defense and I have confidence in them. I do not feel the Ray emotional factor will play as huge a role in Denver, that was last week.

At least I hope that's the way it plays out. I'm a nervous wreck.

Bronco X
01-11-2013, 05:08 AM
Couple that with a very overconfident fan base (Mane) and all the TV pundits having already talking about a NE-Den AFC Championship game.

How does this factor into the outcome? Unless the Broncos themselves are adopting the attitude... is there any evidence from the coverage of their preparation this week that they are overconfident or looking ahead to the Patriots?

Don't discount the Ray retirement emotional factor.

I'm not discounting the potential of a upset, but yeah, I discount this. Ray retirement emotion isn't going to carry the Ravens any further than Chuck Pagano returning emotion carried the Colts. These things might work for one game, but eventually, it's going to be about playing football.

dsmoot
01-11-2013, 06:47 AM
How does this factor into the outcome? Unless the Broncos themselves are adopting the attitude... is there any evidence from the coverage of their preparation this week that they are overconfident or looking ahead to the Patriots?



I'm not discounting the potential of a upset, but yeah, I discount this. Ray retirement emotion isn't going to carry the Ravens any further than Chuck Pagano returning emotion carried the Colts. These things might work for one game, but eventually, it's going to be about playing football.

Point no. 1 above. It doesn't factor in unless the inexperienced, young Broncos are mentally buying into. I don't know. I brought that up as an example how this has that 1996 feel to it. Jacksonville was nothing more that a speed bump to Denver in 96. That game had a significant impact into the way the Bronco team faced the playoff the following two years. Take no one for granted.

Point No. 2 above. Ray Lewis is not Chuck Pagano. Ray is on the field and is the intangible emotional leader that lifts the play of that defense. Watch out, this factor is not to be discounted. That same factor was a very much in evidence with Elway and the Broncos those last two years.

This is a scary game. There are a significant number of Broncos that have never been here before (playoffs and pressure). The Ravens are being discounted by everyone and there are a number of playoff hardened vets on that team that know what this is all about. This is the intangible that has significant impact.

keef
01-11-2013, 06:58 AM
If Michael Dean Perry had waddled his tubby butt off the field, Elway would have three rings.

:thumbs:

I don't remember the details of the game...what are you referring to here?

TheReverend
01-11-2013, 07:01 AM
Stop comparing it to 96!!!!!!!!!!!

delany
01-11-2013, 07:03 AM
I don't remember the details of the game...what are you referring to here?

Your memory is as bad as MDP hustle and game awareness.

bronco militia
01-11-2013, 07:08 AM
what about 1984?

El Guapo
01-11-2013, 07:12 AM
Laces out!

Seriously though, I think our main problem in 96 was that the team clinched the division at the beginning of December and played no meaningful games until that playoff game. This year every game was meaningful, even that Chefs game, because we needed to clinch the #1 seed.

ColoradoDarin
01-11-2013, 07:17 AM
Also in 96, that team won a few games they should have lost, we were really a 10-6 team that had 3 lucky bounces (Eddie Mac's deflected TD catch on the last play against Minnesota IIRC was one of them), this team is nothing like that.

Bronco X
01-11-2013, 07:17 AM
Point no. 1 above. It doesn't factor in unless the inexperienced, young Broncos are mentally buying into. I don't know. I brought that up as an example how this has that 1996 feel to it. Jacksonville was nothing more that a speed bump to Denver in 96. That game had a significant impact into the way the Bronco team faced the playoff the following two years. Take no one for granted.

Point No. 2 above. Ray Lewis is not Chuck Pagano. Ray is on the field and is the intangible emotional leader that lifts the play of that defense. Watch out, this factor is not to be discounted. That same factor was a very much in evidence with Elway and the Broncos those last two years.

This is a scary game. There are a significant number of Broncos that have never been here before (playoffs and pressure). The Ravens are being discounted by everyone and there are a number of playoff hardened vets on that team that know what this is all about. This is the intangible that has significant impact.

The Broncos did not win two Super Bowls because of the emotional Elway factor... they won because they were the best team. Sure, you can argue they had a team capable of competing for a title and the emotional Elway factor helped get them over the top. But it did not carry an inferior team to two titles. If the Ravens are as good or equal to the Broncos, it may be a factor. But why is Ray Lewis more important to the Ravens than Manning or Bailey is to the Broncos?

It's fine to be worried. The Broncos may lose. But acknowledge what is crystal ball heebee jeebees about the worry and what comes from real analysis. Emotional Ray Ray factor is pure crystal ball heebee jeebees.

Tombstone RJ
01-11-2013, 07:34 AM
Yes on paper and in the reasoning minds of every Bronco fan, this Saturday's game vs the Ravens seems like a foregone conclusion. However this game has a very disturbing feeling about it. Manning led offense against an aging Ravens defense. An inconsistent QB (Flacco) with a very good RB (Rice) against an vastly improved, excellent pass rushing defense. Couple that with a very overconfident fan base (Mane) and all the TV pundits having already talking about a NE-Den AFC Championship game.

This has that 1996 feeling. Denver really hasn't had that playoff pressure, not many really close games (adversity) for a while nor have they had that flat game yet. I can see many situations where Flacco could come out and take care of the ball better, establish a good running game and give Denver fits. The Raven defense is considerably healthier since the last game. Many of those guys have that playoff experience and at any time play at a very high level, put pressure on Manning and get the Denver offense off balance. The Raven expectations by outsiders is very low. Don't discount the Ray retirement emotional factor.

This game has some real potential for an upset.

The thing is, Elway is head of football operations and I'm sure he is communicating this "1996 feeling" to the team and warning them of complacency.

Kaylore
01-11-2013, 07:51 AM
First of all, the fans overconfidence or arrogance has literally nothing to do with how the players play. If the fans were less confident in 1996, would the outcome have been any different? Would Michel Dean Perry have run faster because the fans weren't overconfident?

Second, this isn't the '96 team. The 1997 team actually was a better scoring offense and scoring defense than the '96 team, even though their record was worse. This team has a better scoring defense than the 96 team and a better scoring defense than both teams.

I said this on the podcast, the 96 team hadn't been in a playoff game in three years. It was Mike's second year with the team and he a turned over a ton of the roster. They were noobs in the playoffs. This team has played in two playoff games and won one at home. They know how to win games at home.

The Ravens are 4-4 on the road. Their road wins include the Browns, The Chiefs, the Chargers (the Ray Rice dump off) and a banged up Steelers team. The have lost to the Eagles, Redskins, Texans and Bengals - Three quality teams and one crappy team.

Joe Flacco is a bad road QB that has a tendency to over throw his targets and is coming into thin air.

Are there ways the Ravens could win? Sure! They play good redzone defense. If they run the ball to the edges and win first and second down, they can keep us off the field. If there is cold and wet conditions, Manning's passing game could take a hit. The problem is so would Flacco's.

The Ravens would need several things to go their way to beat us. The fans arrogance has an affect on none of those things.

Bronco Boy
01-11-2013, 08:02 AM
First of all, the fans overconfidence or arrogance has literally nothing to do with how the players play. If the fans were less confident in 1996, would the outcome have been any different? Would Michel Dean Perry have run faster because the fans weren't overconfident?

Second, this isn't the '96 team. The 1997 team actually was a better scoring offense and scoring defense than the '96 team, even though their record was worse. This team has a better scoring defense than the 96 team and a better scoring defense than both teams.

I said this on the podcast, the 96 team hadn't been in a playoff game in three years. It was Mike's second year with the team and he a turned over a ton of the roster. They were noobs in the playoffs. This team has played in two playoff games and won one at home. They know how to win games at home.

The Ravens are 4-4 on the road. Their road wins include the Browns, The Chiefs, the Chargers (the Ray Rice dump off) and a banged up Steelers team. The have lost to the Eagles, Redskins, Texans and Bengals - Three quality teams and one crappy team.

Joe Flacco is a bad road QB that has a tendency to over throw his targets and is coming into thin air.

Are there ways the Ravens could win? Sure! They play good redzone defense. If they run the ball to the edges and win first and second down, they can keep us off the field. If there is cold and wet conditions, Manning's passing game could take a hit. The problem is so would Flacco's.

The Ravens would need several things to go their way to beat us. The fans arrogance has an affect on none of those things.

The Ravens also have the best special teams in the league, so any scenario where they win this game would have to include some great returns or punt blocks, etc.

Archer81
01-11-2013, 08:18 AM
The Broncos are healthy, rested, and have recent playoff experience. Of course we are going to lose just like in 1996.

...

:Broncos:

spdirty
01-11-2013, 08:25 AM
Shanahan outcoached himself and put together a garbage gameplan for that game, took the ball out of Davis's hands. That's not gonna happen this game.

Lot of people worry about certain things because they are flat out scared to accept the fact that this is probably the most complete team in Broncos history. They still have to prove it, and right now should be looked at as the 9th best Broncos team ever, until they advance, but just be comfortable. This is a damn good team. They will come up with a great gameplan, and they WILL NOT overlook the Ravens so that us fans can.

delany
01-11-2013, 08:34 AM
The comparisons to how a fan felt prior to the 1996 Jags game and this weekend is accurate. The fanbase was\is supremely confident both times. So I don't fault people for having that deja vu feeling.

The difference here is not so much the Broncos...but the opponent.

The Jags were on a roll. Brunell was having a monster year and they caught lightning in a bottle that game with him and Jimmy Smith et al. I remember a 3rd and forever roll out by Brunell where they converted. During the game it was an ut-oh moment that this may just be their day. It was. They had a ton of things go perfectly for them and they won because of Brunell have the best game of his career.

Bottom line. 2012 Flacco is no where near what 1996 Brunell was.

A day may come when a Broncos team fails, when they go into a game as heavy favorites, but it is not this day. A game of shattered expectations, when the Super Bowl hopes of Mile High comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day they win!

Kaylore
01-11-2013, 08:46 AM
Those are great points spdirty and delany. McCoy and company don't out-think themselves like Shanny did.

And The Ravens were paper dragons. They were barely beating really bad teams on miracle plays and then finally went on a three game losing streak. They got a team playing entirely on emotion in the playoff round and were playing on emotion themselves. Their defense played 80 snaps and got 6 weeks of rest. I really think they come out flat.

SleepingTiger
01-11-2013, 08:48 AM
I don't remember the details of the game...what are you referring to here?

it was 4th down and MDP was walking to the sidelines. He was about 5 yrds away when the Jaguars hiked the ball, thus there was a 12 man on the field penalty giving the Jaguars a first down. They went ahead and scored a touchdown on that drive.

Binkythefrog
01-11-2013, 08:50 AM
There is also little evidence that teams with easy schedules down the stretch have a letdown and perform poorly in the playoffs.

Check out this analysis from Grantland:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8831246/bill-barnwell-saturday-slate-nfl-playoff-games

"The other team that faced a 44-84 schedule during the second half of the season went 7-1 during the final eight games of the year, losing in Week 17 with nothing to play for. It didn't seem to bother them as they headed into the playoffs, as that team the 1999 St. Louis Rams went on to win the Super Bowl. There are 15 other teams since 1990 with a second-half strength of schedule under .400, and three of them (the 1992 Cowboys, 2000 Ravens, and 2009 Saints) managed to win the Super Bowl. The 2011 Patriots made it to the Super Bowl and lost. Just four of the 16 teams were dumped from the postseason without winning a game, and in each case, they were underdogs in the game in question by three points or more. There's virtually no evidence suggesting that teams grow complacent after a friendly second-half slate, so don't expect the Broncos to do the same."

It the Broncos were built more like Seattle with a lot of youth - I think there might be concern here. Denver has many long time vets - Manning, Brooking, Bailey, Koppen, and some vets playing in their first playoff game (Kuper, Adams). I highly doubt these guys are going to have a let down - they know how rare these opportunities come as a player and I'm sure they will be ballin on Saturday.

Of course there is a chance the Ravens pull of the upset - but they are going to have to play nearly a perfect game as others have suggested - and they are capable (look at NE last year). I'm just happy this game is at home - Denver earned home field and I'm sure it will come in handy come tomorrow.

SleepingTiger
01-11-2013, 08:53 AM
Also in 96, that team won a few games they should have lost, we were really a 10-6 team that had 3 lucky bounces (Eddie Mac's deflected TD catch on the last play against Minnesota IIRC was one of them), this team is nothing like that.

+1

I always thought the 96 team was overrated. Their only significant win an away game vs the Patriots. IMO, the 97 superbowl was not possible if we had not lost the the jaguars. I remember having many doubts during the 96 season, but was fairly confident with the 97 team even though we were a wild card team.

Wes Mantooth
01-11-2013, 08:55 AM
newsflash: Michael Dean Perry has come out of retirement and signed on in a deserve roll with the Ravens.


phew.

jonny1
01-11-2013, 08:55 AM
A day may come when a Broncos team fails, when they go into a game as heavy favorites, but it is not this day. A game of shattered expectations, when the Super Bowl hopes of Mile High comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day they win!


Nice Aragorn use . . . .

Chris
01-11-2013, 08:59 AM
First of all, the fans overconfidence or arrogance has literally nothing to do with how the players play. If the fans were less confident in 1996, would the outcome have been any different? Would Michel Dean Perry have run faster because the fans weren't overconfident?

Second, this isn't the '96 team. The 1997 team actually was a better scoring offense and scoring defense than the '96 team, even though their record was worse. This team has a better scoring defense than the 96 team and a better scoring defense than both teams.

I said this on the podcast, the 96 team hadn't been in a playoff game in three years. It was Mike's second year with the team and he a turned over a ton of the roster. They were noobs in the playoffs. This team has played in two playoff games and won one at home. They know how to win games at home.

The Ravens are 4-4 on the road. Their road wins include the Browns, The Chiefs, the Chargers (the Ray Rice dump off) and a banged up Steelers team. The have lost to the Eagles, Redskins, Texans and Bengals - Three quality teams and one crappy team.

Joe Flacco is a bad road QB that has a tendency to over throw his targets and is coming into thin air.

Are there ways the Ravens could win? Sure! They play good redzone defense. If they run the ball to the edges and win first and second down, they can keep us off the field. If there is cold and wet conditions, Manning's passing game could take a hit. The problem is so would Flacco's.

The Ravens would need several things to go their way to beat us. The fans arrogance has an affect on none of those things.

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Kaylore
01-11-2013, 09:02 AM
There is also little evidence that teams with easy schedules down the stretch have a letdown and perform poorly in the playoffs.

Check out this analysis from Grantland:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8831246/bill-barnwell-saturday-slate-nfl-playoff-games

"The other team that faced a 44-84 schedule during the second half of the season went 7-1 during the final eight games of the year, losing in Week 17 with nothing to play for. It didn't seem to bother them as they headed into the playoffs, as that team the 1999 St. Louis Rams went on to win the Super Bowl. There are 15 other teams since 1990 with a second-half strength of schedule under .400, and three of them (the 1992 Cowboys, 2000 Ravens, and 2009 Saints) managed to win the Super Bowl. The 2011 Patriots made it to the Super Bowl and lost. Just four of the 16 teams were dumped from the postseason without winning a game, and in each case, they were underdogs in the game in question by three points or more. There's virtually no evidence suggesting that teams grow complacent after a friendly second-half slate, so don't expect the Broncos to do the same."

It the Broncos were built more like Seattle with a lot of youth - I think there might be concern here. Denver has many long time vets - Manning, Brooking, Bailey, Koppen, and some vets playing in their first playoff game (Kuper, Adams). I highly doubt these guys are going to have a let down - they know how rare these opportunities come as a player and I'm sure they will be ballin on Saturday.

Of course there is a chance the Ravens pull of the upset - but they are going to have to play nearly a perfect game as others have suggested - and they are capable (look at NE last year). I'm just happy this game is at home - Denver earned home field and I'm sure it will come in handy come tomorrow.

I mentioned this in another thread, but a few years ago an article came out on SI (I think) that proved that getting to an winning the SB had more to do with having an easy schedule than other factors.

ShutDownPoster
01-11-2013, 09:09 AM
I see it like this...

Mannings' 'I had 10 neck surgeries and ya'll thought I couldn't come back' tour
Champs' 'I'm the greatest mofo corner to ever play the game - I want my ring' tour
Fox's ' I lost the superbowl to Bellicheat, I want to get back to the big dance' tour

BEATS

Ray Lewis 'I got away with murder' tour

ScottXray
01-11-2013, 09:29 AM
This is Not like 96. For many reasons, which have already been stated.

I do think that the game will be a bit closer than most think. The Broncos absolutely MUST win the turnovers, as that is the wild card that could throw an advantage to Baltimore. And they have to keep Rice in check.

the things that worry me:
1. turnovers. Get some and don't give any.
2. Rice going off. Must not allow large chunks of yardage to him, and try to keep him under 100. Same for Boldin at WR.
3. 5 Raven defense starters that were not in the first game. We are not going to be able to run as well as before, but must not become one dimensional. KM is going to have to step up big again.
4. Due to above, Special team play will be important. If we settle for FGs Prater MUST not crap the bed, and must make his kicks. We cannot afford to let this team hang around, and give them hope.
5. Our lack of killer instinct is troublesome. Step on the opposing teams neck and finish them off when we get leads. Do NOT let the foot off the pedal too early ( FOX), and also don't get stupid and turn it over trying to make something happen, if it's not there ( Manning ..don't force it into coverage).

Overall we SHOULD win this game by at least 6-8 points. 10 may be too many to expect, but if we can get up on them early and avoid late mistakes we should be able to dominate.

Kaylore
01-11-2013, 09:34 AM
The Ravens also have the best special teams in the league, so any scenario where they win this game would have to include some great returns or punt blocks, etc.

And in our stadium, that is largely going to be nulified.

cmhargrove
01-11-2013, 09:39 AM
I still can't beleve that any fan watching this season unfold doesn't understand Manning's obsession with perfection and his laser focus. If anyone thinks this Broncos team won't come out with fire and focus, they haven't been watching the games.

Two weeks of rest and game planning, a perfectionist elite QB, a balanced team with an agressive, healthy defense. We should kick the **** out of them.

I expect that the final score will only have us winning by 10, but it will leave no doubt who deserved to win.

broncocalijohn
01-11-2013, 09:40 AM
I don't remember the details of the game...what are you referring to here?

You must be a lost and young puppy if you have never had a Perry nightmare. While there were many dumb plays that day, it was that fat **** not getting off the field that will always be remembered (except by you). Such an easy thing to do and he couldn't waddle off the damn field.

Bronco Rob
01-11-2013, 10:00 AM
I still can't beleve that any fan watching this season unfold doesn't understand Manning's obsession with perfection and his laser focus. If anyone thinks this Broncos team won't come out with fire and focus, they haven't been watching the games.

Two weeks of rest and game planning, a perfectionist elite QB, a balanced team with an agressive, healthy defense. We should kick the **** out of them


None other than our own Peyton Manning knows the sting of one and dones.(seven times) If anybody thinks he hasn't gone over every shread of Ravens game tape as if it were the Zapruder film and who knows Jim Caldwell better than he? You can bet JDR has been in PFM's ear all week long, after the game not a single pundit will pose the question whether or not ray-ray chose the right time to retire. It will be obvious to one and all he did.




:thumbs:

orinjkrush
01-11-2013, 10:03 AM
jim caldwell also knows peyton better than anyone. that cuts both ways.

the 12th man is going to be HUGELY important.

Bronco Rob
01-11-2013, 10:14 AM
jim caldwell also knows peyton better than anyone. that cuts both ways.


As was evident in their last outing.


Hope we can win big by staying as vanilla as possible is my only concern.

orinjkrush
01-11-2013, 11:43 AM
As was evident in their last outing.


Hope we can win big by staying as vanilla as possible is my only concern.

caldwell was only there a few days. i expect he'll have much more to add this time around. nevertheless, it will all come down to play on the field.

thankfully shanny won't be deciding who plays and who doesn't. ;)

peacepipe
01-11-2013, 12:00 PM
Point no. 1 above. It doesn't factor in unless the inexperienced, young Broncos are mentally buying into. I don't know. I brought that up as an example how this has that 1996 feel to it. Jacksonville was nothing more that a speed bump to Denver in 96. That game had a significant impact into the way the Bronco team faced the playoff the following two years. Take no one for granted.

Point No. 2 above. Ray Lewis is not Chuck Pagano. Ray is on the field and is the intangible emotional leader that lifts the play of that defense. Watch out, this factor is not to be discounted. That same factor was a very much in evidence with Elway and the Broncos those last two years.

This is a scary game. There are a significant number of Broncos that have never been here before (playoffs and pressure). The Ravens are being discounted by everyone and there are a number of playoff hardened vets on that team that know what this is all about. This is the intangible that has significant impact.
All that emotion didn't help that defense against the colts. Take this into account,the colts OC/play caller was sent to the hospital,they had 87 offensive plays & put up 419 yds against the ravens defense. Emotion carries no weight.

Bacchus
01-11-2013, 12:03 PM
Shanahan outcoached himself and put together a garbage gameplan for that game, took the ball out of Davis's hands. That's not gonna happen this game.

Lot of people worry about certain things because they are flat out scared to accept the fact that this is probably the most complete team in Broncos history. They still have to prove it, and right now should be looked at as the 9th best Broncos team ever, until they advance, but just be comfortable. This is a damn good team. They will come up with a great gameplan, and they WILL NOT overlook the Ravens so that us fans can.

Shanahan admitted as much after the game saying Denver should have run the ball more and he did just that in the 97 and 98 title runs.

gunns
01-11-2013, 12:04 PM
Those are great points spdirty and delany. McCoy and company don't out-think themselves like Shanny did.

And The Ravens were paper dragons. They were barely beating really bad teams on miracle plays and then finally went on a three game losing streak. They got a team playing entirely on emotion in the playoff round and were playing on emotion themselves. Their defense played 80 snaps and got 6 weeks of rest. I really think they come out flat.

The one thing about this is the Ravens fans confidence. A lot of their confidence is stated as the Ravens have been a perinneal playoff team over the past decade while the Broncos have not been a good team AND they played very well last week because all of their guys were back. What does this have to do with this year and I do not believe the game last week was a stellar performance. ???

Beantown Bronco
01-11-2013, 12:11 PM
I always love the "overconfidence" card people love to play, as if the fans are the ones playing. Even if they were, it makes me wonder, how are you supposed to act?

Go in confident of victory? Nope. Not allowed. That means you're looking past them and you'll lose because of it.

Go in with no confidence? Nope. You already psyched yourself out and now you'll lose because of it.

No win scenario here folks.

Beantown Bronco
01-11-2013, 12:13 PM
I can see many situations where Flacco could come out and take care of the ball better, establish a good running game and give Denver fits.

Many situations? Name them.

I see one.

This game will only be close if we play our worst game of the year and they play their best road game of the year. Period. Anything else and we win going away. I literally can't remember the last time I was so confident of a victory.

stopgap
01-11-2013, 12:29 PM
Many situations? Name them.

I see one.

This game will only be close if we play our worst game of the year and they play their best road game of the year. Period. Anything else and we win going away. I literally can't remember the last time I was so confident of a victory.

I have the same feeling. 96 bit me in the ass with fan 'cockiness' I admit, but this time around is different.

Denver is advancing. Plain and simple.

crush17
01-11-2013, 12:37 PM
This thread. I hate it.

Cito Pelon
01-11-2013, 12:47 PM
I'm not seeing a lot of deja-vu here. Denver won a playoff game last year, then got smoked in the second playoff game. So it would be just plain mehja-poo this time around.

Anikai
01-11-2013, 12:52 PM
Im worried as well, the ravens could upset us

said nobody ever.

Tombstone RJ
01-11-2013, 01:23 PM
lol

worried. I am not.

CEH
01-11-2013, 03:12 PM
Only 2 teams have gone into the playoffs riding an 11 game wiining streak.

72 Dolphins and 03 Pats

Both won the Super Bowl

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2013, 03:17 PM
How does this factor into the outcome? Unless the Broncos themselves are adopting the attitude... is there any evidence from the coverage of their preparation this week that they are overconfident or looking ahead to the Patriots?



I'm not discounting the potential of a upset, but yeah, I discount this. Ray retirement emotion isn't going to carry the Ravens any further than Chuck Pagano returning emotion carried the Colts. These things might work for one game, but eventually, it's going to be about playing football.

I'd happily argue that the "emotional" **** doesn't matter at all and is just something we attach to the narrative once it's written.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2013, 03:26 PM
All i remember from that 96 game is Mark Brunell and Natrone Means...running over and over and over.

Oh, and people are bring up MDP....how about the ref that called PI on Tory James. Game would have been over before it started. I spent 8 months thinking about that play.

Bacchus
01-11-2013, 03:27 PM
Only 2 teams have gone into the playoffs riding an 11 game wiining streak.

72 Dolphins and 03 Pats

Both won the Super Bowl

The Patriots went in on a 16 game wining streak and lost, the 72 Dolphins actually went in on a 12. What was the '03 Pats win streak?

BroncsCheer
01-11-2013, 03:33 PM
I expect both teams to bring a good gameplan, and play well.
The Broncos are just plain better than the Ravens. The crowd will get whipped up into a frenzy when the Orange is on D, and there is no better in game adjustment this year than what we've seen from PMFM on O, and JDR on D.

I agree with many others that the only chance the Ravens have is by getting lucky - fumbles that bounce their way, boneheaded mistakes on special teams plays by Denver, catching the Broncos napping on a TE or a deep throw.

I said it before, and it bears repeating - all of the comfortable wins to wrap up the RS lead me to believe that we haven't yet seen the "good stuff" from either side of the ball.

Den 31
Balt 21

Old Dude
01-11-2013, 03:34 PM
No point in worrying about it. What will be, will be.

None of us can do anything about it, except for those of you lucky enough to get the game, in which case, scream at the top of your lungs (a rolled up program will help project the soundwaves), and stamp your feet until the whole place shakes.

But only when we're on D.

jbones733
01-11-2013, 04:02 PM
Yes on paper and in the reasoning minds of every Bronco fan, this Saturday's game vs the Ravens seems like a foregone conclusion. However this game has a very disturbing feeling about it. Manning led offense against an aging Ravens defense. An inconsistent QB (Flacco) with a very good RB (Rice) against an vastly improved, excellent pass rushing defense. Couple that with a very overconfident fan base (Mane) and all the TV pundits having already talking about a NE-Den AFC Championship game.

This has that 1996 feeling. Denver really hasn't had that playoff pressure, not many really close games (adversity) for a while nor have they had that flat game yet. I can see many situations where Flacco could come out and take care of the ball better, establish a good running game and give Denver fits. The Raven defense is considerably healthier since the last game. Many of those guys have that playoff experience and at any time play at a very high level, put pressure on Manning and get the Denver offense off balance. The Raven expectations by outsiders is very low. Don't discount the Ray retirement emotional factor.

This game has some real potential for an upset.



I have felt this same way all week, everything you said is in my Mind as well

Hate the over confidence, hate ravens experience, hate that we jut best them

Only thing is jags were a bigger underdog but sure has a bad feeling to it

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2013, 04:16 PM
I have felt this same way all week, everything you said is in my Mind as well

Hate the over confidence, hate ravens experience, hate that we jut best them

Only thing is jags were a bigger underdog but sure has a bad feeling to it

I dont think this Broncos team is overconfident at all. I dont see how they could be.

They needed to win their last game to earn the one slot, and i think the team figures JAX was a joke because of their expansion status and record. No one thinks the Ravens suck

Cito Pelon
01-11-2013, 04:26 PM
The team had the day off today. Talk about over-confident. The Cheerleaders are representing at a pep rally, though. Just saying.

jbones733
01-11-2013, 05:01 PM
I dont think this Broncos team is overconfident at all. I dont see how they could be.

They needed to win their last game to earn the one slot, and i think the team figures JAX was a joke because of their expansion status and record. No one thinks the Ravens suck

thats a very solid point, Jags were much easier to take lightly

:bronxrox:

Bronco X
01-11-2013, 05:38 PM
My mother is a worrier. She constantly worries about things even when there's no reason for it and when prior experience would give her reason to not worry. It's just how her psyche is made up. Some fans are the same way. I mean to those who are biting your nails right now, is there any circumstance, any type of team the Broncos could have, or any opponent they could be facing in the playoffs, where you wouldn't be worrying? I doubt many of you could honestly answer yes to that question.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-11-2013, 05:47 PM
My mother is a worrier. She constantly worries about things even when there's no reason for it and when prior experience would give her reason to not worry. It's just how her psyche is made up. Some fans are the same way. I mean to those who are biting your nails right now, is there any circumstance, any type of team the Broncos could have, or any opponent they could be facing in the playoffs, where you wouldn't be worrying? I doubt many of you could honestly answer yes to that question.

This

ScottXray
01-12-2013, 11:19 PM
This is Not like 96. For many reasons, which have already been stated.

I do think that the game will be a bit closer than most think. The Broncos absolutely MUST win the turnovers, as that is the wild card that could throw an advantage to Baltimore. And they have to keep Rice in check.

the things that worry me:
1. turnovers. Get some and don't give any.
2. Rice going off. Must not allow large chunks of yardage to him, and try to keep him under 100. Same for Boldin at WR.
3. 5 Raven defense starters that were not in the first game. We are not going to be able to run as well as before, but must not become one dimensional. KM is going to have to step up big again.
4. Due to above, Special team play will be important. If we settle for FGs Prater MUST not crap the bed, and must make his kicks. We cannot afford to let this team hang around, and give them hope.
5. Our lack of killer instinct is troublesome. Step on the opposing teams neck and finish them off when we get leads. Do NOT let the foot off the pedal too early ( FOX), and also don't get stupid and turn it over trying to make something happen, if it's not there ( Manning ..don't force it into coverage).

Overall we SHOULD win this game by at least 6-8 points. 10 may be too many to expect, but if we can get up on them early and avoid late mistakes we should be able to dominate.

Wow.

1. Check...fail
2. Check...on rice. Fail on Boldin ( And Holt)
3. KM hurt...fail
4. Prater..fail
5. Forced throw..Manning ...Fail

Damn this hurts to see. We lost every one of these points.

stopgap
01-12-2013, 11:27 PM
Just came in to eat crow :(

Bronco Rob
01-12-2013, 11:48 PM
Welp....What a humbling day of football. Could not eat after the game so there is plenty or room for my five course crow dinner....