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Armchair Bronco
01-07-2013, 04:16 PM
Just reported via my ESPN SMS alerts.

"Redskins QB Robert Griffin III has partial tears to ACL and lateral collateral ligament in knee."

bfoflcommish
01-07-2013, 04:17 PM
Just reported? thank god I dont get espn sms updates. lol kidding kidding, but this was known pretty early today. Wish the kid a quick recovery

Armchair Bronco
01-07-2013, 04:18 PM
No amount of spin by Shannyham can change the fact that the Mastermind made a huge blunder keeping the kid in after the score was 14-0.

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 04:33 PM
No amount of spin by Shannyham can change the fact that the Mastermind made a huge blunder keeping the kid in after the score was 14-0.

He certainly is getting a lot of the blame on radio.

I would say it's 95% shanahan blame and 5% RGIII just listening to it all.

I will say it's a very tough situation so I am not going to pile on shanahan, but if I was him I would have pulled him seeing what I saw on that play and then him constantly trying to jog on the sideline. It was bad and kirk cousins with a 14-0 lead I bet pulls off a win. Even if Seattle still wins, you had to go with Cousins in that situation but yeah I still understand how tough that situation is on shanahan.

Ultimately it is his call and he let his heart and respect for RGIII win out over brains.

CEH
01-07-2013, 04:36 PM
The real question is how long will he be out for?

Doggcow
01-07-2013, 04:38 PM
Whatever, if Washington had won, everyone would be nut-riding RGIII/Shanny.

bfoflcommish
01-07-2013, 04:38 PM
The real question is how long will he be out for?

earlier they were speculating 14-18 months

BroncoBeavis
01-07-2013, 04:39 PM
He certainly is getting a lot of the blame on radio.

I would say it's 95% shanahan blame and 5% RGIII just listening to it all.

I will say it's a very tough situation so I am not going to pile on shanahan, but if I was him I would have pulled him seeing what I saw on that play and then him constantly trying to jog on the sideline. It was bad and kirk cousins with a 14-0 lead I bet pulls off a win. Even if Seattle still wins, you had to go with Cousins in that situation but yeah I still understand how tough that situation is on shanahan.

Ultimately it is his call and he let his heart and respect for RGIII win out over brains.

Zero blame for the kid. He's going to fight to stay in, if he is who you want him to be.

I'm not sure if they have the equipment onsite to detect anything like a partial tear. Seems like they should've taken him to the locker room just to check him out further before throwing him back in though. But maybe that wouldn't have made any difference.

The playcalling was the worst part. What the eff was with the called runs?

El Minion
01-07-2013, 04:42 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/550/526/tumblr_maczxh7gfo1rge9rdo1_500_original_original.j pg?1348087174

Like other orthopedic surgeons interviewed for this story, Ho said the decision not to play Cutler made a lot of sense, medically.

"We know from experience," he said. "None of us would second-guess the decision to take him out of the game."

Both Smith and general manager Jerry Angelo took issue with those questioning the quarterback's toughness. They were particularly disturbed when current and former NFL players voiced their opinions via Twitter and other social media outlets.

"I think it's crap," Angelo said. "I thought they were a union. If that's the way they unionize themselves, they've got bigger issues than the one they have with the owners. I'm very disappointed."

Smith emphasized how Cutler wanted to return to Sunday's game, but it wasn't an option. Cutler was sacked twice against the Packers and apparently sustained the injury during one of those plays.

"Jay didn't take himself out of the game," Smith said. "If you're going to attack somebody, you should be attacking me as the head football coach, and our medical staff. We're the ones. He wanted to go back in. He was injured and went back in the second half. I see it the complete opposite of how it's been portrayed right now."

Armchair Bronco
01-07-2013, 04:43 PM
Just as I predicted on another thread, Shannyham is good for at least one "head-scratcher" per game. I just didn't think it would be one of this magnitude.

Here's your franchise QB for whom you traded away 3 first round draft picks! By any measure, he's poised to be a super star. He got his team to the playoffs and the franchise picked up a lot of post-season experience. Mission accomplished. Plus, a healthy Cousins is a MUCH better choice than RGIII @ 12%.

I guess Shannyham thought he had to win it all THIS YEAR, RGIII's gimpy knee be damned. What a clown. :facepalm:

sinuous sausage
01-07-2013, 04:45 PM
That sucks. I tore my ACL playing football and subsequently got fat and then my girlfriend dumped me. Then I posted on the Mane.

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 04:52 PM
That sucks. I tore my ACL playing football and subsequently got fat and then my girlfriend dumped me. Then I posted on the Mane.

LOL

This post is awesome.

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 04:54 PM
Zero blame for the kid. He's going to fight to stay in, if he is who you want him to be.

I'm not sure if they have the equipment onsite to detect anything like a partial tear. Seems like they should've taken him to the locker room just to check him out further before throwing him back in though. But maybe that wouldn't have made any difference.

The playcalling was the worst part. What the eff was with the called runs?

I agree with you. Players (for the most part) are fierce competitors that refuse to come out unless forced.

RGIII is ultra competitive and was not going to come out unless they forced him.

Lestat
01-07-2013, 04:56 PM
That sucks. I tore my ACL playing football and subsequently got fat and then my girlfriend dumped me. Then I posted on the Mane.

this is the post of the damn year. hands down LOL

but seriously, anyone and their mama could tell something was wrong when he went down out of bounds. the knee had no real strength and was gimpy.

i immediately thought of Cutler and wondered how the media would react to pulling him if he couldn't play.
now he played, might be out for next year and they still had to play cousins anyway.

CEH
01-07-2013, 04:56 PM
Will RGIII be able to play in the Pro Bowl?

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 04:59 PM
Will RGIII be able to play in the Pro Bowl?

Highly doubtful. Shanahan was asked that today at his presser and basically said no.

Victor
01-07-2013, 05:12 PM
Highly doubtful. Shanahan was asked that today at his presser and basically said no.

I could be wrong, but I think that you've responded to a less than serious question. CEH was using what's called "irony".

Cito Pelon
01-07-2013, 05:24 PM
Dude wanted to play. Wash hadn't had a home playoff win in a long time. I can see both sides of the story. Rookie wants to go bigtime and win a playoff game, HC wants to win one also, been a long time with lack of glory for him. I'm sure Griffin was hollering abuse at anybody that wanted to take him out of the game. Remember that punk from ESPN was talking about he wasn't a brotha and all that nonsense.

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 05:31 PM
I could be wrong, but I think that you've responded to a less than serious question. CEH was using what's called "irony".

My bad lol

bronco militia
01-07-2013, 06:18 PM
Partial tears? HE COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED!!

Rother8
01-07-2013, 06:30 PM
Don't get the Shanahan hate. He left him in up 14-0? Well, seeing as how they lost I'm not sure I get the rest your starters argument? He got hurt in the 4th quarter, no?

gunns
01-07-2013, 06:31 PM
Dude wanted to play. Wash hadn't had a home playoff win in a long time. I can see both sides of the story. Rookie wants to go bigtime and win a playoff game, HC wants to win one also, been a long time with lack of glory for him. I'm sure Griffin was hollering abuse at anybody that wanted to take him out of the game. Remember that punk from ESPN was talking about he wasn't a brotha and all that nonsense.

Who was in charge? I have no doubt he wanted to stay in but the coach should have used some wisdom and given a ****, regarding his and RGIII's future, and forced him out.

Broncobiv
01-07-2013, 07:54 PM
Don't get the Shanahan hate. He left him in up 14-0? Well, seeing as how they lost I'm not sure I get the rest your starters argument? He got hurt in the 4th quarter, no?

No, he initially got hurt in the first quarter after lunging to his right to toss a pass, kinda tweaked the knee, and fell down in pain on the right sideline.

Atwater His Ass
01-07-2013, 07:58 PM
It's a now win decision for Shanahan, he get's second guessed no matter what if the 'skins lose the game. Would be just as bad if he pulled RG3 and lost with the backup in.

IHaveALight
01-07-2013, 08:21 PM
It's a now win decision for Shanahan, he get's second guessed no matter what if the 'skins lose the game. Would be just as bad if he pulled RG3 and lost with the backup in.

Except that their franchise quarterback wouldn't have a major injury to recover from.

bronco militia
01-07-2013, 08:27 PM
http://media.philly.com/images/cutler.jpg

"at least no one will ever accuse RG3 of being a pussy"

BroncoFox
01-08-2013, 12:01 AM
QBs who run as a standard part of their game will never make it in the NFL. Shortest career in the NFL? Running back typically. Why a team would think a running QB is a "good idea" blows my mind. Tebow? RGIII? Other QBs who run actively? Usually hurt in their first year. Tebow has been hurt twice. RGIII already hurt in his first year. Andrew Luck? He is fine.

QB is a QB - I think this current fad of a running QB will go away, once people realize many teams multi-million dollar project gets hammered in their first year.

BroncoFox
01-08-2013, 12:03 AM
Grrrrr double post.

Beantown Bronco
01-08-2013, 07:52 AM
That sucks. I tore my ACL playing football and subsequently got fat and then my girlfriend dumped me. Then I posted on the Mane.

Luckily, Peyton Manning is here to help you with both situations:

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gunns
01-08-2013, 08:32 AM
It's a now win decision for Shanahan, he get's second guessed no matter what if the 'skins lose the game. Would be just as bad if he pulled RG3 and lost with the backup in.

They did lose the game, they lost with the backup in, Shanahan just didn't pull RG3. And that's what he is being questioned on. In fact he was being questioned about that by the 2nd quarter. I also have to question him continuing to run RGIII, was he blind? And what the hell happened to Alfred Morris?

Smiling Assassin27
01-08-2013, 08:39 AM
Meh, tell the kid to quit crying. At least he could see when Shanny put him back in the game.

Sincerely,

Terrell Davis

Mountain Bronco
01-08-2013, 12:43 PM
This wasn't some up in the air decision that Shanny had to make like you nut huggers are arguing. This was a clear as day, the kid can barely run decision. Watching that game made me sick and I kept asking people why and the hell RGIII was on the field after half time. The WHOLE FREAKING WORLD SAW HE WAS INJURED AND INEFFECTIVE, yet Shanny had him on the field. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

Bronco Yoda
01-08-2013, 02:00 PM
RG3 Should have never suited up for the 2nd half. This is on Mike and he knows it. Tough situation but everyone could see that RG3 couldn't move. It's not like RG3 is a veteran. Why would you keep a rookie wobbly running QB in the game when he was limping around is beyond me. Stupid, stupid decision.

RedskinBronco
01-08-2013, 04:43 PM
More fuel to the fire, like I said shanahan is getting destroyed on DC radio.

Fienstein went off on the shanahans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/01/08/feinstein-still-skeptical-of-the-shanahans/

2KBack
01-08-2013, 04:47 PM
People mentioned TD in the Superbowl...but didn't Al Wilson end up starting a game or two with a messed up neck?

Play2win
01-08-2013, 04:49 PM
It was a selfish move by Shanahan.

broncocalijohn
01-08-2013, 04:56 PM
Obviously, Shanahan is a QB killer.

RedskinBronco
01-08-2013, 05:32 PM
This is starting to get confusing. So the ACL part remains a mystery? This is becoming bizarre or they aren't telling the truth

edit: I glossed over the part about determining the ACL portion during surgey but damn that sounds bad.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8826706/robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-expected-lcl-surgery-week-according-source

Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III is expected to undergo surgery this week on his torn lateral collateral ligament and at that time doctors will determine how much damage has been done to his anterior cruciate ligament, a source told ESPN.

Griffin suffered a partially torn LCL in his right knee during Sunday's playoff game against the Seahawks, a source said.

Griffin also likely tore at least part of his ACL, but it's unknown how severe it is because a previous knee injury he suffered at Baylor in 2009 required two screws and a rubber band to hold it together.

Because of the previous injury, doctors initially could not determine Monday if his ACL was partially or completely torn and doctors don't know what surgery should be performed.

Lestat
01-08-2013, 06:17 PM
you hope it's only a partial tear but if it's a complete one then he will have a long road to rehab.

Agamemnon
01-08-2013, 07:14 PM
earlier they were speculating 14-18 months

For partial tears? I thought partial tears healed much faster. :kiddingme

Edit: The knee already has rubber bands and screws in it? Oh that's not good. Not good at all...

ant1999e
01-08-2013, 11:11 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--rg3-suffers-torn-lcl--surgeon-says-return-for-next-season--not-the-norm--030202476.html

Robert Griffin III may have to wait a full season to take the field again. That's according to an orthopedic surgeon trained by Dr. James Andrews, the renowned specialist who examined Griffin on Tuesday.

Armchair Bronco
01-08-2013, 11:34 PM
Fans in DC are just starting to learn what Buster T. Bronco and I have known about Shannyham since at least 1999. The man is filled with hubris and always has been.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hubris

LongDongJohnson
01-09-2013, 03:54 AM
Glad the rat is no longer coaching denver.

winstoncup bronco
01-09-2013, 06:52 AM
Shanahan was desperate for a playoff win, probably more so for himself than for his team. Losing 5 of your last 6 playoff games, and having the franchise that gave you the boot sitting with the #1 seed in their conference can do that to you I guess. Just a shame he had to take down RGIII with him.

Play2win
01-09-2013, 06:57 AM
Shanahan was desperate for a playoff win, probably more so for himself than for his team. Losing 5 of your last 6 playoff games, and having the franchise that gave you the boot sitting with the #1 seed in their conference can do that to you I guess. Just a shame he had to take down RGIII with him.

Yes, it was a selfish act.

RedskinBronco
01-09-2013, 06:57 AM
Andrews says expected 6-8 month recovery and will be ready for 2013 season.

IMO, RGIII dodged a big bullet. Could have been much, much worse.

There could still be complications during rehab as in any case, but he is lucky he is only 22 and I think he will get off lucky.

Let this be a lesson though on when to slide, get out of bounds, pick your spots of when to run, etc...

socalorado
01-09-2013, 07:15 AM
Andrews says expected 6-8 month recovery and will be ready for 2013 season.

IMO, RGIII dodged a big bullet. Could have been much, much worse.

There could still be complications during rehab as in any case, but he is lucky he is only 22 and I think he will get off lucky.

Let this be a lesson though on when to slide, get out of bounds, pick your spots of when to run, etc...

You and i just dont know if he fully tore the LCL and ACL(again).
This whole thing is a circus now, and its getting embarassing.
I actually think Shanny is in trouble with Schnieder too now.
In these situations its usually worse than they are letting on.
RGIII never should have even suited up for this game,
and if he did, he never should have been running with the ball.
EVER!
How in the world does Shanny decide to run plays that make
his injured QB run when he has Alfred Morris!?!?!
And after watching him not be able to even plant on the leg,
still keep him in the game!?!?!?
Shanny blew it. Big time.

TheReverend
01-09-2013, 08:03 AM
Andrews says expected 6-8 month recovery and will be ready for 2013 season.

IMO, RGIII dodged a big bullet. Could have been much, much worse.

There could still be complications during rehab as in any case, but he is lucky he is only 22 and I think he will get off lucky.

Let this be a lesson though on when to slide, get out of bounds, pick your spots of when to run, etc...

Rehab all off-season should be a pretty solid learning and growing experience for him.

Mountain Bronco
01-09-2013, 08:21 AM
Andrews says expected 6-8 month recovery and will be ready for 2013 season.

IMO, RGIII dodged a big bullet. Could have been much, much worse.

There could still be complications during rehab as in any case, but he is lucky he is only 22 and I think he will get off lucky.

Let this be a lesson though on when to slide, get out of bounds, pick your spots of when to run, etc...

Link to where Andrews says this?

spdirty
01-09-2013, 08:52 AM
I just heard 6-8 months on ESPN. I really hope he can come back from this and have the career he deserves. RG3 is my favorite non Bronco player.

bronco militia
01-09-2013, 09:02 AM
I don't get it...plenty of athletes come back from knee injuries. It's not like suffered a spinal/head injury

RedskinBronco
01-09-2013, 09:10 AM
Link to where Andrews says this?

I do not have a link; heard on radio that mort found this out from one of the docs working with Andrews

I guess we will have to see confirmation from Andrews. We all know he wil have a presser today

RedskinBronco
01-09-2013, 09:13 AM
I don't get it...plenty of athletes come back from knee injuries. It's not like suffered a spinal/head injury

Yeah some people still think it's 1985 or something.

Still, this is a lesson learned I'm sure.

But yea a Peyton manning neck injury or RGIII concussions would be more concerning

2KBack
01-09-2013, 10:17 AM
I don't get it...plenty of athletes come back from knee injuries. It's not like suffered a spinal/head injury

Different story when you keep rebuilding the same knee.

crowebomber
01-09-2013, 10:25 AM
People mentioned TD in the Superbowl...but didn't Al Wilson end up starting a game or two with a messed up neck?

This. That is the first thing I thought of when this RGIII mess happened. Shanahan rode him for a couple more games til the season ended AFTER he had sustained the neck injury. Then, after the season was over, said he couldn't pass the physical and they dealt him to the Giants (where he also didn't pass the physical).

Mediator12
01-09-2013, 11:16 AM
People mentioned TD in the Superbowl...but didn't Al Wilson end up starting a game or two with a messed up neck?

No they sat him for 2 games they lost and he returned when he was cleared to play. However, after the season, he developed complications and basically never played again due to the original injury.

Armchair Bronco
01-09-2013, 11:17 AM
How in the world does Shanny decide to run plays that make
his injured QB run when he has Alfred Morris!?!?!
And after watching him not be able to even plant on the leg,
still keep him in the game!?!?!?


Let's not forget that this is the same man who used to draw up pass plays on 3rd and long that would have Ed McCaffrey looking back *INTO* the sun on a sideline catch.

In Shannyham's world, even the placement of the sun is no match for The Mastermind's ego. "If I call for a pass to the east sideline, I don't give a rat's ass if the receiver is blinded by that giant ball of helium!"

Meanwhile, the west sideline sits in shadows.

Mediator12
01-09-2013, 11:25 AM
Let's not forget that this is the same man who used to draw up pass plays on 3rd and long that would have Ed McCaffrey looking back *INTO* the sun on a sideline catch.

In Shannyham's world, even the placement of the sun is no match for The Mastermind's ego. "If I call for a pass to the east sideline, I don't give a rat's ass if the receiver is blinded by that giant ball of helium!"

Meanwhile, the west sideline sits in shadows.

I was rewatching some broncos games yesterday since we were off this week, and Peyton did the same earlier in the year. It's not a decision in playcalling where the sun is. Peyton did it to Dreesen against TB and Stokely more than once against BAL.

That is just field conditions and receivers need to know that and adjust their routes so they can see the ball coming.

bronco militia
01-09-2013, 11:28 AM
Let's not forget that this is the same man who used to draw up pass plays on 3rd and long that would have Ed McCaffrey looking back *INTO* the sun on a sideline catch.

In Shannyham's world, even the placement of the sun is no match for The Mastermind's ego. "If I call for a pass to the east sideline, I don't give a rat's ass if the receiver is blinded by that giant ball of helium!"

Meanwhile, the west sideline sits in shadows.

oh no...not the "sun was in my eye's" excuse (face palm)...

2KBack
01-09-2013, 11:34 AM
No they sat him for 2 games they lost and he returned when he was cleared to play. However, after the season, he developed complications and basically never played again due to the original injury.

Hmmmmm....With this RGIII thing, it kind of calls into question who really is determining when someone is cleared to play.

Mediator12
01-09-2013, 11:37 AM
The biggest issue with this injury is what is the collateral damage to the knee. The stuff the soft tissue can not repair after surgery. The LCL and ACL can easily be corrected and not be an issue and he can return in 8 months no problem with todays medicine and rehab techniques. Does the joint and cartilage have irreparable damage?

The decision to let him play was a poor football culture decision, similar to the concussion issues in the past. If that was not the starting QB hurt but say the Starting RB or TE their is no way he dresses for the game, let alone plays with that type of injury. The problem I have with it, is RG III is a RB playing QB in that offense and every play is designed to be effective because the defense has to account for him as a runner whether its a run or pass. He is nowhere near as effective if the defense stops taking him as a serious running threat which they figured out fairly quickly.

They should have subbed him after he turned the knee on that pass play he was scrambling, if they ever let him play at all. I get letting him start. I do. He was hugely effective on those 2 TD drives. SEA got smart after them though and WAS did not adjust well at all. That is where I think Shanahan made his mistake. Hubris, maybe, but it is hard to tell that kind of motivation. It is more likely the poor football mentality of riding the horse that got you there. In this case, he got his franchise QB injured and maybe with permanent repercussions. There is no way to know how chronic this injury will be before surgery, let alone until it has been healed.

crowebomber
01-09-2013, 12:55 PM
No they sat him for 2 games they lost and he returned when he was cleared to play. However, after the season, he developed complications and basically never played again due to the original injury.

Nope. He played the following three games after being carted off against Seattle. He sat the last game against SF. So, since it was the neck that did him in, either it was bad enough from the start that he would not have passed the physical then, or it was an injury that he aggravated to the point of ending his career those next three games.

Mediator12
01-09-2013, 01:09 PM
Nope. He played the following three games after being carted off against Seattle. He sat the last game against SF. So, since it was the neck that did him in, either it was bad enough from the start that he would not have passed the physical then, or it was an injury that he aggravated to the point of ending his career those next three games.

That is interesting. I remember it very differently, but the NFL.com gamelogs back that up. Lo siento, I screwed up ;D