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FearLanier
01-06-2013, 09:22 PM
On 1150 the Zone, TAMU radio station, they did an interview with Von Miller and he said he believes his old teammate Damontre Moore is going to be just as good of a pass rusher as him.

What do you think? Is Von just trying to help his buddy get drafted higher or is he being truthful?

Moore had 13 sacks this year for the Aggies.

Agamemnon
01-06-2013, 09:27 PM
I'm sure he's being honest about his opinion of his friend but I think it's very doubtful he's right. He's biased as friends and family usually are. But really, pass rushers like Von Miller are not easy to find (last year's draft notwithstanding). Either way Moore is probably a top 10 pick.

razorwire77
01-06-2013, 09:29 PM
He's a good player, but I don't think he's going to be in the stratosphere as a Watt, or a Miller as a pass rusher. Would love to take him at the bottom of the first round, but no chance of that happening.

FearLanier
01-06-2013, 09:32 PM
Right now Moore is projected to be a top 5 pick. A lot of people are projecting him to go to Detroit.

Can you imagine that? Suh, Fairley, Avril and Moore on the same DL. Wow

Agamemnon
01-06-2013, 09:33 PM
He's a good player, but I don't think he's going to be in the stratosphere as a Watt, or a Miller as a pass rusher. Would love to take him at the bottom of the first round, but no chance of that happening.

We don't need another edge rusher. We need RB, MLB, DT, OG/C and WR more.

Agamemnon
01-06-2013, 09:34 PM
Right now Moore is projected to be a top 5 pick. A lot of people are projecting him to go to Detroit.

Can you imagine that? Suh, Fairley, Avril and Moore on the same DL. Wow

Won't fix everything else that's wrong with that team.

Lestat
01-06-2013, 09:37 PM
We don't need another edge rusher. We need RB, MLB, DT, OG/C and WR more.

i was hoping we'd get Moore earlier this season before he blew up. him and Montgomery were the DE's i liked the best.

razorwire77
01-06-2013, 09:38 PM
We don't need another edge rusher. We need RB, MLB, DT, OG/C and WR more.

Agree, but in the .000000000000001 percent chance that Moore drops to the low 20's or God willing to us at 32 you take him as the bpa. Although if he did drop that low, it's probably because he got caught with a dead stripper in his trunk or throat punched Rich Eisen during a combine interview.

FearLanier
01-06-2013, 09:47 PM
Won't fix everything else that's wrong with that team.

I agree, but wow that's a crazy good DL.

Agamemnon
01-06-2013, 10:10 PM
I agree, but wow that's a crazy good DL.

I tend to think they're a bit overrated to be honest.

cutthemdown
01-07-2013, 03:05 AM
I tend to think they're a bit overrated to be honest.

I agree because when you watch detroit they don't dominate the LOS IMO.

Requiem
01-07-2013, 06:02 AM
I really don't think Moore is a Top 5 guy, probably not even Top 10 in reality -- but with the success of Miller and other guys off the edge who are tremendous pass rushers, his value is going to inflate. With the lack of top tier, elite talent at the front of this draft, guys who have no business going in the Top 10 more than likely will.

cmhargrove
01-07-2013, 06:16 AM
I really don't think Moore is a Top 5 guy, probably not even Top 10 in reality -- but with the success of Miller and other guys off the edge who are tremendous pass rushers, his value is going to inflate. With the lack of top tier, elite talent at the front of this draft, guys who have no business going in the Top 10 more than likely will.

I agree.

When I watch Moore vs. Miller I really don't see the comparison. Miller has one of the fastest, most explosive first steps I have ever seen. I just don't see that with Moore. Miller also plays with a lower base, and can "run the horn" in a tighter radius.

Moore might be an excellent player, but I don't see him as having the same impact as Miller.

Drek
01-07-2013, 07:03 AM
I really don't think Moore is a Top 5 guy, probably not even Top 10 in reality -- but with the success of Miller and other guys off the edge who are tremendous pass rushers, his value is going to inflate. With the lack of top tier, elite talent at the front of this draft, guys who have no business going in the Top 10 more than likely will.

Yep, hell of a nice year to be a 13-3 team. Not only are we a serious SB contender, but the tight talent gap in the top 30-50 is likely going to result in different staffs viewing guys very differently, and the FO might just find themselves picking at 32 with a guy they had pegged as a top 15 pick sitting on the board.

Drafts like this one are fun, probably going to be a lot of WTF? picks made early on.

WolfpackGuy
01-07-2013, 07:22 AM
Von and Doom would have A LOT more sacks with a pocket crushing DT to keep QB's from stepping up.

Who do you guys like coming out of college as well as available free agents for that task?

socalorado
01-07-2013, 07:27 AM
Von and Doom would have A LOT more sacks with a pocket crushing DT to keep QB's from stepping up.

Who do you guys like coming out of college as well as available free agents for that task?

Kawan Short
Sharif Floyd

pricejj
01-07-2013, 08:50 AM
On 1150 the Zone, TAMU radio station, they did an interview with Von Miller and he said he believes his old teammate Damontre Moore is going to be just as good of a pass rusher as him.


Ever wonder how Von 'swoops' past the RT on his way to a physics-defying sack? Yeah, speed kills.

Von Miller - 4.42 forty (combine)
Damontre Moore - 4.83 forty (pre-combine)

Moore probably isn't in the same stratosphere athletically as Von Miller. We'll find out at the combine.

Lestat
01-07-2013, 09:37 AM
after the bowl vs Louisville i'm all aboard the Floyd train. dude was a monster in that game, just everywhere, he can play DT and DE(DT is his more natural position)

pricejj
01-07-2013, 11:07 AM
after the bowl vs Louisville i'm all aboard the Floyd train. dude was a monster in that game, just everywhere, he can play DT and DE(DT is his more natural position)

Some notes on Sharif Floyd:

1. Floyd was ranked as the #4 overall (all posiitions) recruit coming out of high school.
2. Floyd doesn't turn 21 year old until May.
3. 6'026" 303 lbs.

Sharif Floyd (2012) - 46 tackles, 3.0 sacks, and 13.0 TFL's.
Sharif Floyd (2011) - 46 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and 6.5 TFL's.


Floyd is a good prospect, but he only registered 1 sack all year, until the bowl game. It's difficult to gauge his full potential because he is so young. However, he doesn't have elite size for a NT prospect, and he doesn't have as many sacks as you'd like to see out of a UT prospect...in addition, Derek Wolfe should be playing UT for the Broncos (I hope).

I would be hesitant to draft him in the 1st round.

Lestat
01-07-2013, 12:32 PM
Some notes on Sharif Floyd:

1. Floyd was ranked as the #4 overall (all posiitions) recruit coming out of high school.
2. Floyd doesn't turn 21 year old until May.
3. 6'026" 303 lbs.

Sharif Floyd (2012) - 46 tackles, 3.0 sacks, and 13.0 TFL's.
Sharif Floyd (2011) - 46 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and 6.5 TFL's.


Floyd is a good prospect, but he only registered 1 sack all year, until the bowl game. It's difficult to gauge his full potential because he is so young. However, he doesn't have elite size for a NT prospect, and he doesn't have as many sacks as you'd like to see out of a UT prospect...in addition, Derek Wolfe should be playing UT for the Broncos (I hope).

I would be hesitant to draft him in the 1st round.

not really worried about that production. Muschamp runs a similar D to Bama as he is a Saban disciple. so it's more about impact and overall play of the unit rather than the individual production.

DBroncos4life
01-07-2013, 12:41 PM
not really worried about that production. Muschamp runs a similar D to Bama as he is a Saban disciple. so it's more about impact and overall play of the unit rather than the individual production.

Price will clearly over look the fact that he was playing out of position to get the best players on the field.

Requiem
01-07-2013, 12:42 PM
Floyd has experience 2 gapping under Muschamp, but Omar Hunter was primarily that guy for the Gators this year, though he definitely had experience in that role. In 2011 he was playing defensive end a majority of the time. The thing to look at with Floyd is how many tackles is he making behind the LOS? A **** ton. Dude would be just fine here and is the next guy up for us (IMO) if Short from Purdue is snatched.

Lestat
01-07-2013, 01:00 PM
Floyd has experience 2 gapping under Muschamp, but Omar Hunter was primarily that guy for the Gators this year, though he definitely had experience in that role. In 2011 he was playing defensive end a majority of the time. The thing to look at with Floyd is how many tackles is he making behind the LOS? A **** ton. Dude would be just fine here and is the next guy up for us (IMO) if Short from Purdue is snatched.

Floyd to me seems to be in line with what we like on the DL.
a flexible guy who can play multiple roles, can stop guys in the backfield, penetrate the OL and force the run outside or disrupt the pocket.

broncosteven
01-07-2013, 01:14 PM
On 1150 the Zone, TAMU radio station, they did an interview with Von Miller and he said he believes his old teammate Damontre Moore is going to be just as good of a pass rusher as him.

What do you think? Is Von just trying to help his buddy get drafted higher or is he being truthful?

Moore had 13 sacks this year for the Aggies.

Sounds to me like FL is just prepping himself to see kFc reach on a pass rusher rather than take a QB in the 1st round.

To be honest in this years draft it probably wouldn't be a bad move to draft OL or DL and take a QB later or try to move back up into the 1st round to grab a QB who is slipping.

Bad year to have the 1st overall pick...

Requiem
01-07-2013, 01:17 PM
Floyd to me seems to be in line with what we like on the DL.
a flexible guy who can play multiple roles, can stop guys in the backfield, penetrate the OL and force the run outside or disrupt the pocket.

You said penetrate. :)

Mat'hir Uth Gan
01-07-2013, 02:00 PM
I think Damontre Moore is the top player in this entire draft. He's been an unstoppable machine since he was a true freshman. I can't fathom he gets by both Jacksonville and Oakland at two and three. Jarvis Jones would be neck and neck, but his spinal condition will drop him.

There's three safe elite talents for me: OT Luke Joeckel, DE Damontre Moore, and DT Star Lotulelei. That's it.

The next semi-elite talent tier has: DE Bjoern Werner, CB DeMarcus Milliner, LB Manti Te'o, QB Geno Smith, WR Keenan Allen, OT Taylor Lewan, OG Chance Warmack, and LB Jarvis Jones.

DE/LB Ezekial Ansah has a chance to move into that second tier.

After that, there's a huge 3rd tier where we'll be picking from.

pricejj
01-07-2013, 02:15 PM
Price will clearly over look the fact that he was playing out of position to get the best players on the field.

Don't tell me that Florida runs a 3-4 also... If so, then throw everything I said about Floyd out the window.

Secondly, looking at Moore's stats, he's a tackling machine. He also is probably the best pass rusher in this draft. Definitely worthy of a top 10 pick in 2013. Elite pass-rushers have more effect on a game than any other position but the QB.

DBroncos4life
01-07-2013, 02:21 PM
Don't tell me that Florida runs a 3-4 also... If so, then throw everything I said about Floyd out the window.

Secondly, looking at Moore's stats, he's a tackling machine. He also is probably the best pass rusher in this draft. Definitely worthy of a top 10 pick in 2013. Elite pass-rushers have more effect on a game than any other position but the QB.

Florida runs a type of 3-4 defense. The most notable difference is in the buck linebacker / defensive end hybrid. This is a basically a linebacker who will at times line up at the end position.

This puts an additional player on the line, like the 4-3. Coach Muschamp tries to get the offense behind in down and distance situations by stuffing the run on early downs.

What is the average points per game the Gator defense will give up in 2012?
Often, the buck lineman will be on the line of scrimmage, playing much like a 4-3 lineman during the early downs. When they get the opponent in a third and long situation, the defense likes to bring creative blitzes to force turnovers or at least punts.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1285054-florida-football-muschamps-gators-may-have-best-defense-in-sec-in-2012
http://ufrsports.com/review/index.php/2011/07/28/swamp-talk-florida-gators-3-4-scheme-could-make-shariff-floyd-a-defensive-force/

Florida Gators head coach Will Muschamp will be bringing a 3-4 defensive scheme to Gainesville. This allows heralded defensive lineman Shariff Floyd to potentially flourish. With the talent the Gators posses on the defensive line, the 3-4 defensive scheme could allow the Gators to take advantage of potentially their most talented position.

Joel Smith from The Bull Gator and Wil Bradley discuss what we might expect from the Gators defensive line during the 2011 college football season.

pricejj
01-07-2013, 03:39 PM
Florida runs a type of 3-4 defense. The most notable difference is in the buck linebacker / defensive end hybrid. This is a basically a linebacker who will at times line up at the end position.


Sweet. Floyd might be worth it then. Thanks for keeping me in line.

Floyd is 3 years younger than Short, so that has to give him a leg up in the comparison of those two players doesn't it?

You mofo's are going to force me to start watching a lot of video already...bastards!