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TonyR
01-06-2013, 02:31 PM
When Washington Redskins rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III injured his knee on a gruesome collision in the fourth quarter of a 31-28 victory against the Baltimore Ravens on Dec. 9, he limped off the field for one play, then hobbled back into the huddle as fans and teammates held their breath.

Griffin, clearly injured and in pain, remained in the game for four plays before removing himself.

The following day, when the team revealed Griffin had suffered a sprained lateral collateral ligament, coach Mike Shanahan was asked why he had risked the health of his franchise quarterback by putting him back into the game.

Shanahan said he let Griffin return with the blessing of James Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon, who was on the sideline.

Andrews, however, told USA TODAY Sports on Saturday that he never cleared Griffin to go back into the game, because he never even examined him.

"(Griffin) didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion."

"We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

Yet when asked by news reporters, Shanahan described a conversation with Andrews this way:

"He's on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews. He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in," Shanahan said Dec. 10. "(I said) 'Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?'

'Yeah, he can go back in.'

'Robert, go back in.'

"That was it," Shanahan said.

Only that's not the way it happened, Andrews said. What's more, Andrews remains worried about Griffin's health as the Redskins play the Seattle Seahawks in an NFC wild-card game at FedEx Field today.

"I'm the one that shut him down that day, finally," Andrews said. "I've been a nervous wreck letting him come back as quick as he has. He's doing a lot better this week, but he's still recovering and I'm holding my breath because of it." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/01/06/dr-james-andrews-disputes-coach-mike-shanahans-version-of-washington-redskins-quarterback-robert-griffin-iii-knee-injury/1811689/

SoCalBronco
01-06-2013, 02:33 PM
Interesting to see he didn't say anything for four weeks and waited until a playoff game to make an allegation. Someone is going to lose a client....fast.

RhymesayersDU
01-06-2013, 02:39 PM
Interesting to see he didn't say anything for four weeks and waited until a playoff game to make an allegation. Someone is going to lose a client....fast.

Not sure who is going to lose who in your scenario. Athletes need Dr. Andrews more than he needs them.

SoCalBronco
01-06-2013, 02:44 PM
Not sure who is going to lose who in your scenario. Athletes need Dr. Andrews more than he needs them.

No one needs someone who waits four weeks to make an allegation about something he is supposedly concerned about. Tony's article also omits admissions the doctor made about how Griffin has passed the tests etc. it cuts off the quote.

I'd be shocked if Washingon ever used Andrews again.

RhymesayersDU
01-06-2013, 02:49 PM
That's pretty shortsighted. They're not going to risk RGIII's health over this.

I'm not saying there aren't other great doctors in this country, but everybody goes to Dr. Andrews for a reason.

BroncoMan4ever
01-06-2013, 03:09 PM
Doesn't Mike have a history of antics like this?

bpc
01-06-2013, 03:10 PM
It appears some have an axe to grind against Shanahan. Pretty sure if RG3 couldn't play, and Shanny was told RG3 couldn't play, he wouldn't have played. TD sat out a quarter in the super bowl for the very same reason.

Speaking of shanny, they skins are rolling the Seabags, 14-0 in the 1st quarter. Your distraction didn't work Andrew.

mhgaffney
01-06-2013, 03:14 PM
You can clearly see that Griffin is playing hurt.

He has just thrown two TDs - the kid is sensational -- and Washington leads.

He's already taken some big hits. Will they carry him off the field?

broncofever
01-06-2013, 03:26 PM
Wasn't Shanahan fined recently for downplaying a players injury? If Shanahan actually did lie and say a player was cleared by a doctor when he wasn't he will probably get fined again. But as long as they win I doubt there really be much fallout from it. Though if I was the doctor don't think I'd want to keep working with the red skins if they are going to throw him under the bus making claims he cleared someone when he didn't

DENVERDUI55
01-06-2013, 03:37 PM
I'd be shocked if Washingon ever used Andrews again.

He was checking him out in the ice fishing box. I'm sure you mean after this year.

SoCalBronco
01-06-2013, 03:40 PM
He was checking him out in the ice fishing box. I'm sure you mean after this year.

I sure he will be taken care of after this game...

RhymesayersDU
01-06-2013, 03:45 PM
LOL, not sure what you're beef with Andrews is, but this is completely irrational.

Is this a Shanahan thing?

TonyR
01-06-2013, 03:48 PM
Just saw someone posted about this earlier today in the Wildcard Sunday thread:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3771980&postcount=2

LongDongJohnson
01-06-2013, 04:03 PM
Time to dust off shanahans old lie detector and see whos the one thats really making up stories.

Lestat
01-06-2013, 04:52 PM
please, no one is ego driven enough to steer a athlete away from the best surgeon in the field just because his story differs.
you would have to be a complete moron to do something like that.

DomCasual
01-06-2013, 05:09 PM
Wow. He just bent his leg in a way that wasn't natural.

OrangeSe7en
01-06-2013, 05:10 PM
Wow. He just bent his leg in a way that wasn't natural.

He's been cleared by Dr Andrews. He said that he had passed their tests and so he's back out there.

Man-Goblin
01-06-2013, 05:10 PM
And RGIII is now inevitably writhing in pain on the ground.

What the hell is Andrews supposed to say? He's one of the best sports medicine doctors in the world. You think he'd want his name attached to clearing Griffin if he were to go out there and get hurt?

Shanahan is a great coach. But honest when it comes to injury situations he is not.

bombay
01-06-2013, 05:15 PM
Shanahan should be fired for what he just did to that kid. And his team.

OrangeSe7en
01-06-2013, 05:17 PM
Shanahan should be fired for what he just did to that kid. And his team.

He has been subsequently cleared by Andrews. This isn't on Shanahan.

DomCasual
01-06-2013, 05:22 PM
Shanahan should be fired for what he just did to that kid. And his team.

Yeah, that was tough to watch. I hope the kid is okay.

broncofever
01-06-2013, 05:22 PM
He has been subsequently cleared by Andrews. This isn't on Shanahan.

The game in question was from earlier in December correct? For that game I'd say if what the dr said is accurate then Shanny was wrong to say he'd been cleared, but today's game he's been cleared. I can't help but think that's why the article got released so the dr could not only clear himself of liability but prevent a recurrence of anyone other than him clearing a player or making claims he did

OrangeSe7en
01-06-2013, 05:29 PM
The game in question was from earlier in December correct? For that game I'd say if what the dr said is accurate then Shanny was wrong to say he'd been cleared, but today's game he's been cleared. I can't help but think that's why the article got released so the dr could not only clear himself of liability but prevent a recurrence of anyone other than him clearing a player or making claims he did

Correct. The doctor was referring to a previous game. And in that same article he has said that, subsequently, RGIII passed their tests, so he cleared him.

You have to really spell this out for people here. The reading comprehension is so bad.

DomCasual
01-06-2013, 05:32 PM
Correct. The doctor was referring to a previous game. And in that same article he has said that, subsequently, RGIII passed their tests, so he cleared him.

You have to really spell this out for people here. The reading comprehension is so bad.

Are you even watching the game right now? You don't have to be James Andrews to know that the kid is hurt.

ant1999e
01-06-2013, 05:33 PM
It appears some have an axe to grind against Shanahan. Pretty sure if RG3 couldn't play, and Shanny was told RG3 couldn't play, he wouldn't have played. TD sat out a quarter in the super bowl for the very same reason.

Speaking of shanny, they skins are rolling the Seabags, 14-0 in the 1st quarter. Your distraction didn't work Andrew.

Hmmm:laugh:

ant1999e
01-06-2013, 05:35 PM
There are some real Shanny homers here aren't there?

Armchair Bronco
01-06-2013, 05:40 PM
Stupid Shannyham. RGIII had no business staying in the game after the 3rd quarter. It's one thing to send in TD for a single play when the guy is blind with a migrane. But forcing a gimpy RGIII to play...and run...was a joke.

Action
01-06-2013, 05:41 PM
There are some real Shanny homers here aren't there?

That would be an understatement.

OrangeSe7en
01-06-2013, 05:41 PM
Are you even watching the game right now? You don't have to be James Andrews to know that the kid is hurt.

Shanahan's not a doctor. He was cleared by one. That's all that needs to be said.

DomCasual
01-06-2013, 05:44 PM
Shanahan's not a doctor. He was cleared by one. That's all that needs to be said.

Okay. Whatever. ::)

Action
01-06-2013, 05:44 PM
Shanahan's not a doctor. He was cleared by one. That's all that needs to be said.

Yeah, forget the fact the guy is limping and can't throw an accurate pass.

That's the doctors fault for clearing him, not Shanahan's fault for playing an injured player that can't make football plays.

LOL

broncofever
01-06-2013, 05:46 PM
Are you even watching the game right now? You don't have to be James Andrews to know that the kid is hurt.

I don't disagree with the assessment. I think he probably should've been pulled earlier. Technically he was cleared. However what the article implies is a larger systemic issue with Shanahan managing player welfare issues. He played RGIII in the game in December without clearing him and then lied about it using the name of a well respected doctor technically he was cleared for this game so culpability is more than just Mike this time but kind of wondering if doctors are pressured to clear players when they should not.

Drek
01-06-2013, 07:29 PM
No one needs someone who waits four weeks to make an allegation about something he is supposedly concerned about. Tony's article also omits admissions the doctor made about how Griffin has passed the tests etc. it cuts off the quote.

I'd be shocked if Washingon ever used Andrews again.

Dude, James Andrews isn't worried about losing ****. He isn't just one of the best orthopedic surgeons around, he's inarguably the best. Every baseball player with an issue goes to him for a second opinion without fail and everyone wants him to perform their Tommy John surgeries. He's so far above reproach in his field that his word has become tantamount to law for sports professionals.

The skins would be idiotic to let him go and he would have his pick of any other team should they do so. He isn't the Mike Shanghai of orthopedic surgeons, and he's Lombardi, Walsh, Landry, et Al in a single guy.

footstepsfrom#27
01-06-2013, 08:02 PM
Shanny's an idiot for risking this kid's career on a single game. If he's permenantly damaged or even diminished from this point forward for being in this game he's got only hiimself to blame. I always liked Mike but one thing I do not like is his tendency to blame other people (how many DC's did he fire in Denver?) When you got a weapon like that you gotta protect his future at all costs.

Boltjolt
01-06-2013, 08:04 PM
Shanahan's not a doctor. He was cleared by one. That's all that needs to be said.

The good Dr Says (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/dr-james-andrews-disputes-mike-shanahan-assertions-regarding-152917745--nfl.html) he didnt clear him



"[Griffin] didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players, and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion. We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

While Andrews eventually gave Griffin the green light to play in the Redskins' wins over the Philadelphia Eagles and Dallas Cowboys, and Griffin is closer to optimal health for Sunday afternoon's wild-cardgame against the Seattle Seahawks, Andrews is still uncomfortale with the way Griffin's injury was handled.

"He's doing a lot better this week, but he's still recovering and I'm holding my breath because of it," Andrews said. "He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do, but it's been a trying moment for me, to be honest with you."

This isn't the first time the Redskins have run afoul of those in the know when it comes to Griffin's health. When he suffered a concussion in a Week 5 game against the Atlanta Falcons, the team was fined $20,000 by the NFL for failing to properly notify the media of the severity of the injury. Instead, the team reported that Griffin was "shaken up." The team did pull Griffin from the game after the concussion.

troyjbath
01-06-2013, 08:09 PM
Shanny's an idiot for risking this kid's career on a single game. If he's permenantly damaged or even diminished from this point forward for being in this game he's got only hiimself to blame. I always liked Mike but one thing I do not like is his tendency to blame other people (how many DC's did he fire in Denver?) When you got a weapon like that you gotta protect his future at all costs.

Mike has to have one of the biggest egos in the NFL. I loved him for bringing home two SB trophies, but hated listening to the excuses when the Broncos sucked it up. I don't remember him ever coming across as anything less than arrogant.

footstepsfrom#27
01-06-2013, 08:21 PM
Mike has to have one of the biggest egos in the NFL. I loved him for bringing home two SB trophies, but hated listening to the excuses when the Broncos sucked it up. I don't remember him ever coming across as anything less than arrogant.
He's incredibly arrogant, but if we knew how any of these HC's are they are probably mostly like that...no matter, that's not his problem. His problem is refusal to take responsibility for his own mistakes. I liked him when he was here but now I'm glad he's gone.

KipCorrington25
01-06-2013, 08:40 PM
Time to dust off shanahans old lie detector and see whos the one thats really making up stories.

It's broken, they hooked McDaniels up to it and with everything out of his mouth being a lie the thing was fried.

razorwire77
01-06-2013, 08:51 PM
Any arm chair swinging dick coach could see how bad his knee was even during the 1st quarter. There was one option run in the 1st quarter where RGIII got 3 yards. If he's even at 50 percent that play would have gone for 30 or 40 yards. He couldn't even really plant to throw the ball by the 2nd quarter. Not really sure what they were thinking.

TheReverend
01-06-2013, 09:00 PM
Any arm chair swinging dick coach could see how bad his knee was even during the 1st quarter. There was one option run in the 1st quarter where RGIII got 3 yards. If he's even at 50 percent that play would have gone for 30 or 40 yards. He couldn't even really plant to throw the ball by the 2nd quarter. Not really sure what they were thinking.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/06/rg3-there-was-no-way-i-was-coming-out/

Agamemnon
01-06-2013, 09:02 PM
Any arm chair swinging dick coach could see how bad his knee was even during the 1st quarter. There was one option run in the 1st quarter where RGIII got 3 yards. If he's even at 50 percent that play would have gone for 30 or 40 yards. He couldn't even really plant to throw the ball by the 2nd quarter. Not really sure what they were thinking.

This was an embarrassing case of coaching myopia if you ask me.

RedskinBronco
01-06-2013, 09:05 PM
I find it very curious that this report came out TODAY

R-Mac
01-06-2013, 09:06 PM
There was no right choice for Shanahan in a loss. He is a jerk in a loss with an injured RGIII and he would be an idiot in a loss with Kirk Cousins as the starting QB. He would be taking people's crap either way. It's only gutsy and genius if you win.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-06-2013, 09:08 PM
Shanahan's not a doctor. He was cleared by one. That's all that needs to be said.

Does Shanahan have eyes in his head? Because anyone with eyes in their head knew that A) RG3 couldn't run, and B) RG3 couldn't plant his leg and throw. ANYONE WITH EYES IN THEIR HEAD.

You drafted a backup quarterback this year for precisely this sort of event. Play the back up. Period.

Agamemnon
01-06-2013, 09:09 PM
There was no right choice for Shanahan in a loss. He is a jerk in a loss with an injured RGIII and he would be an idiot in a loss with Kirk Cousins as the starting QB. He would be taking people's crap either way. It's only gutsy and genius if you win.

The problem is that this is about more than just this one game. This is about RGIII's future. TD's career was ended by this kind of thing.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-06-2013, 09:10 PM
There was no right choice for Shanahan in a loss. He is a jerk in a loss with an injured RGIII and he would be an idiot in a loss with Kirk Cousins as the starting QB. He would be taking people's crap either way. It's only gutsy and genius if you win.

Let's see... risk permanent injury to the guy you just spent several draft picks to get, the face of the franchise, for a game where he can't complete a pass and is ineffective running the ball...

or put in your competent backup, who is healthy, who might win you the game?

Yeah. No choice there at all.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-06-2013, 09:16 PM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18apgk34ez8wtgif/original.gif

That, kids, is a "non-contact injury." Usually not a great sign for future prospects.

RedskinBronco
01-06-2013, 09:28 PM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18apgk34ez8wtgif/original.gif

That, kids, is a "non-contact injury." Usually not a great sign for future prospects.

That wasn't the play. He got hurt on the play rolling out on the incomplete pass ; the play right before he hit Paulsen for the 14-0 lead.

After that play, he was done; but he didn't come out and shanahan didn't say the **** you will come out!

razorwire77
01-06-2013, 09:40 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/06/rg3-there-was-no-way-i-was-coming-out/

Of course he didn't want to leave. Kid has a competitive heart and spirit. Most fighters want to continue after taking a sustained beating for multiple rounds. That's one of the duties of a trainer, coach, doctor etc. To protect the athlete from himself. Shanny knows more about football than anyone on this board. If we could see RGIII hobbling around and unable to plant to even throw the football, than certainly Mike ****ing Shanahan could. To me, that's what's possibly condemning about this. Not so much that he couldn't run (everybody knew the kid was hobbled). But when his knee structure was so questionable that he couldn't even really step into a throw, there really should have been a decision to sit the kid down.

Rohirrim
01-06-2013, 09:45 PM
I knew when I was watching it happen that little Napoleon was just pulling his stubborn bull**** once again. Even my son was saying that RGIII shouldn't be out there. It was obvious to everybody but Shanahan.

TheReverend
01-06-2013, 09:46 PM
Of course he didn't want to leave. Kid has a competitive heart and spirit. Most fighters want to continue after taking a sustained beating for multiple rounds. That's one of the duties of a trainer, coach, doctor etc. To protect the athlete from himself. Shanny knows more about football than anyone on this board. If we could see RGIII hobbling around and unable to plant to even throw the football, than certainly Mike ****ing Shanahan could. To me, that's what's possibly condemning about this. Not so much that he couldn't run (everybody knew the kid was hobbled). But when his knee structure was so questionable that he couldn't even really step into a throw, there really should have been a decision to sit the kid down.

Hey, I don't disagree with you. I agree with all of that, but I also believe that Robert earned the right to make that decision himself as both a great player and captain of that team.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-06-2013, 09:55 PM
Hey, I don't disagree with you. I agree with all of that, but I also believe that Robert earned the right to make that decision himself as both a great player and captain of that team.

To an extent, that's true. But he only has that right to the point where it won't cost his career possible permanent damage.

Now, was it worth it if he's never the same player because of this? They lost the game... he hurt himself worse... was it worth it? RG3 was ineffective in the second half. Couldn't run. couldn't throw. It was ugly.

Cousins should have been in from the 3rd quarter on.

razorwire77
01-06-2013, 09:55 PM
Hey, I don't disagree with you. I agree with all of that, but I also believe that Robert earned the right to make that decision himself as both a great player and captain of that team.

Yeah, it's a bit of a gray area in that regard, but RGIII is still a 22-year-old kid with potentially 10-12 years of football ahead of him and Mike is the 60-year-old veteran Superbowl winning coach who should have had the balls to make the call to sit him down and he didn't. Certainly, by the 3rd quarter he should have. He knew the field was complete and utter **** and he still didn't sit him down.

Shanny knew this team isn't built for a Superbowl run this year. He knew the kid was getting teed off on every other ****ing play by a let's face it a dirty Pete Carrol coached team, and he still didn't sit him down.

Agamemnon
01-06-2013, 09:57 PM
To an extent, that's true. But he only has that right to the point where it won't cost his career possible permanent damage.

Now, was it worth it if he's never the same player because of this? They lost the game... he hurt himself worse... was it worth it? RG3 was ineffective in the second half. Couldn't run. couldn't throw. It was ugly.

Cousins should have been in from the 3rd quarter on.

That's the thing that puzzles me. He wasn't able to do anything most of the game. He wasn't really helping their chances of winning. So him aggravating the injury just seems pointless. And even if they win he's not playing next week. There's a lot of stupidity going on with this whole scenario.

lonestar
01-06-2013, 10:54 PM
There are some real Shanny homers here aren't there?

Yes there are. Major nut huggers because he could do no wrong, didn't you hear he won two superbowls.

What they fail to admit is he had a fist full of talent about 50/50 from the old regime.

But since then he has won only ONE playoff game.

IMO for,what he did today he should be fired.

If he could not tell his QB was totally ineffective after those first two drives and in obvious pain then he needs to see an eye doctor.

Like in the concussion situations you can no longer ask the player if he is alright. Got to have a legit trainer or doctor that does not report to mikey to make those decisions.

He could have very well ruined this kids career with leaving him in to get beat up like that. That angle of that leg was not normal and that was with a major big knee brace on.

I suspect surgery will take place to repair it as soon as the swelling goes down.

DENVERDUI55
01-06-2013, 10:57 PM
Hey, I don't disagree with you. I agree with all of that, but I also believe that Robert earned the right to make that decision himself as both a great player and captain of that team.

Good for him I know what Cutler would of done and his coach wouldn't have had to make the decision. RG3 should of been pulled but that is water under the bridge now.

Tombstone RJ
01-06-2013, 11:07 PM
Shanny better hope RG3 heals like Adrian Peterson.

lonestar
01-06-2013, 11:13 PM
Yeah, forget the fact the guy is limping and can't throw an accurate pass.

That's the doctors fault for clearing him, not Shanahan's fault for playing an injured player that can't make football plays.

LOL

Not sure that zen man is a Mensa candidate or not. With out eyesight to see that he was clearly hurt..

But he has clearly has been hanging on Mikey's gonads to long.

lonestar
01-06-2013, 11:16 PM
Shanny's an idiot for risking this kid's career on a single game. If he's permenantly damaged or even diminished from this point forward for being in this game he's got only hiimself to blame. I always liked Mike but one thing I do not like is his tendency to blame other people (how many DC's did he fire in Denver?) When you got a weapon like that you gotta protect his future at all costs.

:thumbs:

That One Guy
01-06-2013, 11:16 PM
I think it's kind of selfish if RG3 recognized his issues but just didn't want to leave the game. That's a disregard for his teammates' prospects here in the playoffs and a stupid decision regarding his own future. At some point he needed to see that he couldn't run and couldn't make accurate passes. At that point, Cousins might've been able to salvage the game still. When he finally went down, it was instantly obvious that nothing but deep passes would save the game and the Seahawks pinned back their ears.

ol#7
01-07-2013, 01:13 AM
I knew, just KNEW Lonesomestar would be on here chirping about M.S. 1 playoff win...

Despite several knee jerk comments that people would defend Shanny, I don't see any of that.

I am perplexed he didnt sit after halftime. ou would think that at the very least you would want to get Cousins some menaingful playoff experience knowing that if you win, he is probably your guy next week in Atlanta. Hell they didnt even call a timeout on that second TD drive when RGIII could barely get back to the huddle. After that all his throws were 'all arm' and came out awkward.

Even if he thought it would loosen up, I cant believe that he let him go as far as he did.

Can't really think of a worse way for the Skins to end the year than that.

Cito Pelon
01-07-2013, 01:45 AM
I knew, just KNEW Lonesomestar would be on here chirping about M.S. 1 playoff win...

Despite several knee jerk comments that people would defend Shanny, I don't see any of that.

I am perplexed he didnt sit after halftime. ou would think that at the very least you would want to get Cousins some menaingful playoff experience knowing that if you win, he is probably your guy next week in Atlanta. Hell they didnt even call a timeout on that second TD drive when RGIII could barely get back to the huddle. After that all his throws were 'all arm' and came out awkward.

Even if he thought it would loosen up, I cant believe that he let him go as far as he did.

Can't really think of a worse way for the Skins to end the year than that.

You didn't neg rep anybody about this I hope.

I don't know what to say about this, Griffin wanted to play and he was probably busting anybody's chops that tried to keep him out of the game. The guy wanted to play, much like Steve Young busting Seifert's chops for pulling him. I don't know if there's a finger to be pointed. Wash hadn't won a home playoff game for a long time, Griffin wanted to be the guy.

ol#7
01-07-2013, 02:03 AM
You didn't neg rep anybody about this I hope.

I don't know what to say about this, Griffin wanted to play and he was probably busting anybody's chops that tried to keep him out of the game. The guy wanted to play, much like Steve Young busting Seifert's chops for pulling him. I don't know if there's a finger to be pointed. Wash hadn't won a home playoff game for a long time, Griffin wanted to be the guy.

I don't disagree. I just think it was pretty obvious that he was not only hurting himself but the team too.

Too bad, until he aggravated the knee, even at 85%, the Skins were rolling.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-07-2013, 07:59 AM
That wasn't the play. He got hurt on the play rolling out on the incomplete pass ; the play right before he hit Paulsen for the 14-0 lead.

After that play, he was done; but he didn't come out and shanahan didn't say the **** you will come out!

Yeah, I didn't say "here's the play guys!" But non contact injuries (like that one) generally point to a bigger problem, lots of times an injury that wasn't properly dealt with.

He shouldn't have been in the game at that point. It's not like their backup is Joe Webb.

TonyR
01-07-2013, 08:13 AM
...Joe Webb.

Speaking of whom, is it just me or the whole time you were watching him try to play QB were you thinking "Tim Tebow"?!?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-07-2013, 08:30 AM
Speaking of whom, is it just me or the whole time you were watching him try to play QB were you thinking "Tim Tebow"?!?

I haz no comment.

lonestar
01-07-2013, 11:54 AM
Yeah, I didn't say "here's the play guys!" But non contact injuries (like that one) generally point to a bigger problem, lots of times an injury that wasn't properly dealt with.

He shouldn't have been in the game at that point. It's not like their backup is Joe Webb.

I've tried this a couple of times might have to save it from time to time.

The following obvious to anyone with two eyes.

After the second scoring drive:


Rg3 was not the same
He was unable to plant his foot to make throws on a consistent basis.
He was not running with his normal gusto.
On one play while running out of bounds he was actually skipping favoring his injured knee.
He was ineffective as a player.
He grimaced while running.
His knee in that final play bent in a direction(inward) that was abnormal and if there was not serious structural damage the brace should have handled the stress quite easily.
It is not like they had Tebow as a backup.
Cousins led t
he team very well while rg3 was out.

IMO mikey was totally responsible and derelict in his duties for not removing him. He is paid to make the decisions especially since he was ineffective mid point first period.

Regardless of rg3 wanting to play or not he should have been pulled, with cousins going in to play.

If they did not have a game plan to accommodate cousins, who is responsible for that?

Everyone forgets that Griese was allowed to play the second half of a OAK game with a separated shoulder.. He was done for the season after that and IMO his career pretty much ended after that year. Now I have to ask if it had not been OAK would mikey have replaced him?

Mikey out a blind guy into a game to fake out a team for one play. TD had serious migraine issues. Anyone have to wonder if he could have suffered permanent damage had he took w major hit to the head.

At those times everyone thought it was great, now I have to wonder if winning just the second playoff game since 2000 was more on his mind than the future of the franchise. .

Yes my dislike for mikey is well known but I think I have ample reasons for that when you look at what happened yesterday , add to that his failures in winning in the playoffs after John retired, blaming everyone else for his failures and his abmyismal personnel record with players and defensive coaches.

What say you?

Requiem
01-07-2013, 12:03 PM
Oh, would you look at that. Lonelystar blaming Mike for Davis having migraine issues and Brian Griese getting shelved for the year. Trollololololololololgtfo.

24champ
01-07-2013, 01:11 PM
I can relate to RG3 on some level. I have played ice hockey games as a kid with a broken ankle, and broken wrist in tournament games. There's a lot of guys that just wrap it up, take a pain pill and go out and play. At the professional level, they get way better treatment and care.

I don't have a problem with RG3 starting the game, they were 14-0 early on, the broadcasters were saying what a great move Shanny made by acquiring RG3 etc. That being said, it wasn't a good decision to leave RG3 in the game once it became clear to everyone that RG3 wasn't being effective anymore.

TheReverend
01-07-2013, 01:12 PM
Press conference on this issue right now is absolutely hilarious.

Lestat
01-07-2013, 01:57 PM
Speaking of whom, is it just me or the whole time you were watching him try to play QB were you thinking "Tim Tebow"?!?

naw, he had a tight spiral, just was rusty and nervous.

now RGIII while he is earning a lot of respect for his toughness and leadership should have came out of the game. i understand you want to show your teammates you can go but his backup played well when he had to sit out before.

TonyR
01-07-2013, 02:25 PM
Mike Shanahan says Robert Griffin III will travel on Tuesday to see Dr. James Andrews for further tests on his injured right knee. Griffin had previously injured the ACL in that knee during his sophomore year at Baylor.

However, ESPN Radio 980 in Washington cites a report from a Richmond television station that Griffin has torn his PCL and ACL and will be out of action for 14-18 months. http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/report-rg3-has-torn-acl-pcl

Requiem
01-07-2013, 02:32 PM
Drafting Kirk Cousins was a good idea. Slow motion for meeeeeeeeeeh!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-07-2013, 02:34 PM
http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/report-rg3-has-torn-acl-pcl

The TV station in Richmond has pulled that report...

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 03:08 PM
Snyder flying with RGIII tomorrow

This keeps getting worse and worse

Edit: Chris Clemons from seattle is already diagnosed with a torn ACL and he is going to visit James Andrews on Monday.

My gut feeling is Griffin also has the same injury but they just don't want to admit it until they speak with Andrews on time it will take to get back.

Tombstone RJ
01-07-2013, 10:27 PM
heard on essspin that RG3 does have a tear, I think they said MCL but could be wrong...

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 10:37 PM
heard on essspin that RG3 does have a tear, I think they said MCL but could be wrong...

Report is LCL partial tear and POSSIBLY partial ACL tear. It seems that the reason he is going to see Andrews is that they have are having difficulty seeing if anything is wrong with his ACL due to his ACL injury from 2009 at Baylor.

They don't know how severe it is due to the previous ACL injury. He has 2 screws and a rubber band so I guess that's where James Andrews comes in on how to proceed with surgery/rehab, etc.

DBroncos4life
01-07-2013, 10:48 PM
Report is LCL partial tear and POSSIBLY partial ACL tear. It seems that the reason he is going to see Andrews is that they have are having difficulty seeing if anything is wrong with his ACL due to his ACL injury from 2009 at Baylor.

They don't know how severe it is due to the previous ACL injury. He has 2 screws and a rubber band so I guess that's where James Andrews comes in on how to proceed with surgery/rehab, etc.

I heard that as well. That doesn't sound good.

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 11:00 PM
I heard that as well. That doesn't sound good.

Not at all. I'm expecting real bad news. The one good thing is he never screamed in pain like peterson or derrick rose and kept coming back so that would make you think it's only partial but you never know.

Maybe Andrews tells him it will require reconstructing that same knee.

Really sounds bad, but maybe he will learn from this. He's a warrior and he feels invincible sometimes like all the super hero action figures in his locker room.

Maybe this will help him realize he is a very talented pocket passer and there is no need to gamble like Vick and Vince young. Slide, slide, slide. Use your rocket arm, accuracy, vision and great understanding of what defenses are
doing. Sad thing is he doesnt need to be a running qb

ZONA
01-07-2013, 11:13 PM
It appears some have an axe to grind against Shanahan. Pretty sure if RG3 couldn't play, and Shanny was told RG3 couldn't play, he wouldn't have played. TD sat out a quarter in the super bowl for the very same reason.

Speaking of shanny, they skins are rolling the Seabags, 14-0 in the 1st quarter. Your distraction didn't work Andrew.

True. However, there was that one play where TD came to the sideline and said he couldn't see and Shanny said that's ok, you don't need to see on this play and sent him back in.

DBroncos4life
01-07-2013, 11:16 PM
Not at all. I'm expecting real bad news. The one good thing is he never screamed in pain like peterson or derrick rose and kept coming back so that would make you think it's only partial but you never know.

Maybe Andrews tells him it will require reconstructing that same knee.

Really sounds bad, but maybe he will learn from this. He's a warrior and he feels invincible sometimes like all the super hero action figures in his locker room.

Maybe this will help him realize he is a very talented pocket passer and there is no need to gamble like Vick and Vince young. Slide, slide, slide. Use your rocket arm, accuracy, vision and great understanding of what defenses are
doing. Sad thing is he doesnt need to be a running qbDo you think he might start the season on the PUP though?

ZONA
01-07-2013, 11:20 PM
I think this sorta thing is kinda why the NFL has geared itself towards pocket passers and throwing QB's more so then QB's who want to run. Not saying some of these guys that can run don't have talent passing because they do. But if you run, at this level, you're gonna take punishment. There's a difference between guys who play QB that have some wheels and escape now and then to gain positive yards. And then there are the QB's where you call run plays for them. That's not what I would be doing at the NFL level. And what the hell is Wilson doing sprinting down field several times trying to throw blocks. Sounds great and all until you get layed out one time.


I just think the more times a QB is running downfield, whether it's a designed run, a scramble or if you're like Wilson, trying to block, bad things are eventually going to happen.

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 11:22 PM
Do you think he might start the season on the PUP though?

Anything is possible. Knowing him though, he will be back very quick. I think his Baylor torn acl injury recovery time was 4 months.

I remember on that play he was screaming like Peterson was.

What is dicey to me is what is worse case scenario given he already blew that knee out.

But I won't doubt that he will be ready because he's just that type of guy. Warriors like Peterson, Rose and griffin HATE not playing and they essentially are hardcore about getting back ASAP

RedskinBronco
01-07-2013, 11:27 PM
I think this sorta thing is kinda why the NFL has geared itself towards pocket passers and throwing QB's more so then QB's who want to run. Not saying some of these guys that can run don't have talent passing because they do. But if you run, at this level, you're gonna take punishment. There's a difference between guys who play QB that have some wheels and escape now and then to gain positive yards. And then there are the QB's where you call run plays for them. That's not what I would be doing at the NFL level. And what the hell is Wilson doing sprinting down field several times trying to throw blocks. Sounds great and all until you get layed out one time.


I just think the more times a QB is running downfield, whether it's a designed run, a scramble or if you're like Wilson, trying to block, bad things are eventually going to happen.

Agree with everything you said. RGIII and Wilson need to realize they are great pocket passers and pick their spots.

Not sold yet on kaepernick; sometimes his passes are good and sometimes he looks like young, vick and tebow