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TDmvp
01-01-2013, 01:28 AM
98ish Broncos or this years team ... Go ....


I would most likely go 98 because everyone says the way to beat Manning is keep him off the field , and Terrell is the perfect weapon to do that with...

That 98 team was so loaded on O with many semi HOfers from the line to the skill spots. But this team is young and skilled with a brain at the helm...


Would be a great game. Elway and Manning are like comparing apples in oranges tho so lets not make it that , I'm talking about teams. The game is so different now. Elway would throw 4k a year all day with these rules.

But anyway .... go....

Fedaykin
01-01-2013, 01:36 AM
'98 team no question.

Vine
01-01-2013, 01:50 AM
Well, lets compare the units.

QB- Trying not to be biased here. Manning has the smarts and extreme accuracy. Elway has the feet and the cannon. Both are clutch when the game is on the line. Equal.

O'Line- 98 team hands down. This year's team has a good O'Line, but the '98 O'Line was a great great unit.

RB's- 98 team in a blowout. Obviously TD, but also Howard Griffith is far superior to anything resembling a FB on the current roster.

TE- 98 team in a blowout. Sharpe vs Driesen and Tamme?

WR- 98 team easy. Rod should be HOF and Eddie just made plays. DT is looking to have a long solid career, and Decker has shown that he can be a competent #2. But Rod > DT and Eddie Mac > Decker

D'Line- This years team in a blowout. Doom is better than any D'Lineman from the 98 team. Von is technically a LB'er so I'll consider him there.

LB'ers- Probably the '98 team. Romo, Mobley, and Cadrez were a very solid unit. Other than Miller, the Broncos LB'ers are probably the defensive weakness.

Secondary- This year's team. Although it is kinda close. Champ anchoring the secondary with solid play from Harris and Carter are very strong. But Atwater, along with Crockett and Gordon were decent, too.

P/K- Even Solid punter and kicker on both teams.

So, who would win? I'd have to go with 98 Broncos. I don't think this year's team could stop the 98 Broncos offense.

spiralism
01-01-2013, 02:05 AM
Maybe we should, y'know, hang on a few weeks to see if this team can get it done before we compare it to the greatest Broncos team to ever take the field...

Vine
01-01-2013, 02:07 AM
Maybe we should, y'know, hang on a few weeks to see if this team can get it done before we compare it to the greatest Broncos team to ever take the field...

We have a bye week. Plenty of time to talk about many things.

spiralism
01-01-2013, 02:13 AM
We have a bye week. Plenty of time to talk about many things.

This team is something else, it's the best in the NFL truthfully and is in with a great shout but i do wonder are we getting ahead of ourselves a little, there's also a thread on the front page about how many of the current team are hall of famers lol

dsmoot
01-01-2013, 04:34 AM
98ish Broncos or this years team ... Go ....


I would most likely go 98 because everyone says the way to beat Manning is keep him off the field , and Terrell is the perfect weapon to do that with...

That 98 team was so loaded on O with many semi HOfers from the line to the skill spots. But this team is young and skilled with a brain at the helm...


Would be a great game. Elway and Manning are like comparing apples in oranges tho so lets not make it that , I'm talking about teams. The game is so different now. Elway would throw 4k a year all day with these rules.

But anyway .... go....

Not meaning to take the air out of this thread but this type of comparison does not mean anything until you let this play out through the playoffs. The 98 team won a Superbowl. This 2012 has not experienced playoff pressure yet which means everything when talking about team comparisons.

If we want to do a position by position comparison that is fine. I agree the 98 OL is signficantly better than this years even though the 2012 unit is pretty good. The 98 OL was outstanding that dictated the game both on the ground and in the air. Obviously, we have no one close to TD.

98 Elway/TD offense vs 12 Manning hurry up offense , that is a discussion worth having.

The key matchup would be Manning offense vs a good opportunistic but not great 98 Defense, In 98, there was no one running this type of hurry up offense against defenses. Difficult to say how that 98 defense would hold up against Manning. We were not particularly great in the secondary in 98 (Braxton, near the end Atwater, Gordon, Crockett). I guess the difference would be how well we could pressure Manning.

The other matchup of how our 12 defense could stop the run with TD and an outstanding OL is another big question. No one in 98/99 could stop us. How good defensively are we really in 2012. That is where the upcoming playoffs against very good teams over 2 - 3 consecutive games will prove it out, not this past regular season.

Bacchus
01-01-2013, 04:36 AM
Its too early to tell, I mean if this Broncos team does not win the SB then why bother.

That being said Terrell Davis was on the '98 team. End/Thread

dsmoot
01-01-2013, 04:41 AM
98ish Broncos or this years team ... Go ....


I would most likely go 98 because everyone says the way to beat Manning is keep him off the field , and Terrell is the perfect weapon to do that with...

That 98 team was so loaded on O with many semi HOfers from the line to the skill spots. But this team is young and skilled with a brain at the helm...


Would be a great game. Elway and Manning are like comparing apples in oranges tho so lets not make it that , I'm talking about teams. The game is so different now. Elway would throw 4k a year all day with these rules.

But anyway .... go....

Not meaning to take the air out of this thread but this type of comparison does not mean anything until you let this play out through the playoffs. The 98 team won a Superbowl. This 2012 has not experienced playoff pressure yet which means everything when talking about team comparisons.

If we want to do a position by position comparison that is fine. I agree the 98 OL is signficantly better than this years even though the 2012 unit is pretty good. The 98 OL was outstanding that dictated the game both on the ground and in the air. Obviously, we have no one close to TD.

98 Elway/TD offense vs 12 Manning hurry up offense , that is a discussion worth having.

The key matchup would be Manning offense vs a good opportunistic but not great 98 Defense, In 98, there was no one running this type of hurry up offense against defenses. Difficult to say how that 98 defense would hold up against Manning. We were not particularly great in the secondary in 98 (Braxton, near the end Atwater, Gordon, Crockett). I guess the difference would be how well we could pressure Manning.

The other matchup of how our 12 defense could stop the run with TD and an outstanding OL is another big question. No one in 98/99 could stop us. How good defensively are we really in 2012. That is where the upcoming playoffs against very good teams over 2 - 3 consecutive games will prove it out, not this past regular season.

bpc
01-01-2013, 04:49 AM
98 team for sure. Can't equal Elway & Manning cuz they are not.

Rock Chalk
01-01-2013, 05:17 AM
Statistically this team is better than the 98 team.

But, that 98 team won a superbowl so, until this team wins a superbowl there is no comparison.
98ish Broncos or this years team ... Go ....


I would most likely go 98 because everyone says the way to beat Manning is keep him off the field , and Terrell is the perfect weapon to do that with...

That 98 team was so loaded on O with many semi HOfers from the line to the skill spots. But this team is young and skilled with a brain at the helm...


Would be a great game. Elway and Manning are like comparing apples in oranges tho so lets not make it that , I'm talking about teams. The game is so different now. Elway would throw 4k a year all day with these rules.

But anyway .... go....

TDmvp
01-01-2013, 05:25 AM
Statistically this team is better than the 98 team.

But, that 98 team won a superbowl so, until this team wins a superbowl there is no comparison.



Yea the media greatly underestimates those teams . I personally without homerness could argue those teams was as good on O as any team EVER ...

That line with a Hof Te , Hof worthy Wr and a running back who had the best 3-4 year stretch ever and John ...

tesnyde
01-01-2013, 05:40 AM
98ish Broncos or this years team ... Go ....


I would most likely go 98 because everyone says the way to beat Manning is keep him off the field , and Terrell is the perfect weapon to do that with...

That 98 team was so loaded on O with many semi HOfers from the line to the skill spots. But this team is young and skilled with a brain at the helm...


Would be a great game. Elway and Manning are like comparing apples in oranges tho so lets not make it that , I'm talking about teams. The game is so different now. Elway would throw 4k a year all day with these rules.

But anyway .... go....

I think this is premature, however, comparing how things were in not very long ago, even in August, to just entertain this comparison makes me happy.

BroncoBeavis
01-01-2013, 06:41 AM
Well, lets compare the units.

QB- Trying not to be biased here. Manning has the smarts and extreme accuracy. Elway has the feet and the cannon. Both are clutch when the game is on the line. Equal.

O'Line- 98 team hands down. This year's team has a good O'Line, but the '98 O'Line was a great great unit.

RB's- 98 team in a blowout. Obviously TD, but also Howard Griffith is far superior to anything resembling a FB on the current roster.

TE- 98 team in a blowout. Sharpe vs Driesen and Tamme?

WR- 98 team easy. Rod should be HOF and Eddie just made plays. DT is looking to have a long solid career, and Decker has shown that he can be a competent #2. But Rod > DT and Eddie Mac > Decker

D'Line- This years team in a blowout. Doom is better than any D'Lineman from the 98 team. Von is technically a LB'er so I'll consider him there.

LB'ers- Probably the '98 team. Romo, Mobley, and Cadrez were a very solid unit. Other than Miller, the Broncos LB'ers are probably the defensive weakness.

Secondary- This year's team. Although it is kinda close. Champ anchoring the secondary with solid play from Harris and Carter are very strong. But Atwater, along with Crockett and Gordon were decent, too.

P/K- Even Solid punter and kicker on both teams.

So, who would win? I'd have to go with 98 Broncos. I don't think this year's team could stop the 98 Broncos offense.


Good post. But I can't believe Doom is the only name you dropped on DL when Neil Smith was hanging around. DL would be a tough call for me (overall). Especially factoring Pryce in as well. 98 wasn't as great at pass rush, but I wish we were as stout v the run nowadays.

maven
01-01-2013, 06:50 AM
This team hasn't won a playoff game. Too too early for comparisons. Side note I enjoyed the 97 team more and that season versus 98.

Tombstone RJ
01-01-2013, 07:19 AM
Right now, the best team to compare this 13-3 Broncos team to is the last Broncos team that went 13-3.

That season (1996) was a fun, fun, fun season of football. Outside of the playoff loss to the jags, that was a heck of a team. They had the "it" factor for sure.

TheChamp24
01-01-2013, 07:21 AM
Right now, the best team to compare this 13-3 Broncos team to is the last Broncos team that went 13-3.

That season (1996) was a fun, fun, fun season of football. Outside of the playoff loss to the jags, that was a heck of a team. They had the "it" factor for sure.

The 2005 team actually went 13-3, so yeah.

But honestly, until this team holds a Lombardi Trophy come February, the 1998 team is the winner.

maven
01-01-2013, 07:24 AM
Right now, the best team to compare this 13-3 Broncos team to is the last Broncos team that went 13-3.

That season (1996) was a fun, fun, fun season of football. Outside of the playoff loss to the jags, that was a heck of a team. They had the "it" factor for sure.

This team reminds me of that team and that season. Just hope there is a different outcome and this team can make it to the Super Bowl

Bronco Boy
01-01-2013, 07:25 AM
Football Outsiders have this season as the greatest Bunks team ever and rank it as one of the 10 best teams EVER in the NFL.

BroncoMan4ever
01-01-2013, 07:28 AM
Until this team holds up the Lombardi they are not competing with the best teams in franchise history.

Tombstone RJ
01-01-2013, 07:40 AM
The 2005 team actually went 13-3, so yeah.

But honestly, until this team holds a Lombardi Trophy come February, the 1998 team is the winner.

doh! my bad, you are correct sir!

McDman
01-01-2013, 07:55 AM
The OP realizes we have not won a playoff game or a SB. He posed the question for a fun discussion. You can still compare the two teams.

errand
01-01-2013, 07:58 AM
Well since Elway, TD, Zimmerman, Rod, Eddie Mac, Sharpe and Co. are all in their 50's and 40's, retired and no longer in NFL shape, I think this current team would kill them if they played this weekend*





*that's a joke for the humor impaired

TDmvp
01-01-2013, 08:13 AM
The OP realizes we have not won a playoff game or a SB. He posed the question for a fun discussion. You can still compare the two teams.

Totally do and thank yous ... Just something to kill time to we see who we play.

ColoradoDarin
01-01-2013, 08:24 AM
We can't cover TE's right now. Who on our defense would stop Sharpe? That opens up the running game for TD.

98 wins in a shoot out 42-35. And that's not a knock against the 12 team. That team was so dominant that most games were over by halftime.

2KBack
01-01-2013, 08:31 AM
Good post. But I can't believe Doom is the only name you dropped on DL when Neil Smith was hanging around. DL would be a tough call for me (overall). Especially factoring Pryce in as well. 98 wasn't as great at pass rush, but I wish we were as stout v the run nowadays.

Actually...we are. We allow the exact same yard per attempt as the 1998 team.

TDmvp
01-01-2013, 08:33 AM
We can't cover TE's right now. Who on our defense would stop Sharpe? That opens up the running game for TD.

98 wins in a shoot out 42-35. And that's not a knock against the 12 team. That team was so dominant that most games were over by halftime.



Yea they was . Never will forget the Dallas game where Terrell had like back to back 60 yard TD runs and was benched by halftime lol ...

Their weapons complemented each other so well.

errand
01-01-2013, 09:05 AM
Here's how our other 13-3 teams fared in post season....

1984 - lost divisional playoff game to Steelers 24-17

1996 - lost divisional playoff game to Jaguars 30-27

2005 - won divisional playoff game vs. Patriots 27-13, lost AFCCG to Steelers 34-17

Crushaholic
01-01-2013, 09:17 AM
It's a fair comparison, since 98 was the last time we were the AFC #1 seed. The 98 O-line was great, but the current O-line knows how to do their job. Interestingly enough, Tebow takes some credit. They had to hold their blocks, until Tebow found some ground he wanted to hit. Holding their blocks for a future Hall of Fame quarterback is a cinch, compared to what they just endured...

Rock Chalk
01-01-2013, 09:34 AM
If we have to play by today's rules, that 98 team would get their ass kicked by this team. TD was great and they were damn near unstoppable but teams have adjusted to the zone blocking scheme since then and Atwater and company wouldnt be able to lay wood like they did back then.

Sharpe, while awesome for his era, would not be a matchup nightmare for this era. He's basically a slower version of DT.

And Rod and McCaffery were great, loved both players, but neither one of them had the pure skills that DT and Decker have. Both Decker and DT are significantly more athletic than Rod and Eddie were.

Elway in his last year while still cunning and dangerous, was not the Elway of the late 80s and early 90s. Manning now appears to be every bit as good as he has ever been.

Neil Smith was a rental and at the twilight of his career. Romo was a beast but Cadrez and Mobley were average LBs. I cant even remember the rest of the guys up front but I'll take this front seven over that front seven. And I'll take this secondary over that secondary. Champ and Harris actually cover and tackle and both are good at shedding WR blocks. Safeties arent as good but are more than servicable.

No one on that 98 team would be able to cover DT and Decker AND play by the current rule system. This 2012 team would have a better shot of shutting down the passing game than the 98 team would and while I doubt anyone could have stopped TD, Atlanta did a decent job of limiting his success so it was certainly possible.

Drunken.Broncoholic
01-01-2013, 09:53 AM
If we win it all this year I'd have to say this team. There's alot of kids on this team playing out of their minds. Young players that have stepped up in their positions that alot didnt expect.

Bronco Yoda
01-01-2013, 10:15 AM
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... They would not let me even consider reading this thread at this time...

BroncsCheer
01-01-2013, 10:25 AM
Well, lets compare the units.


P/K- Even Solid punter and kicker on both teams.

Sorry man - Colquitt has this locked up over Rouen

Vine
01-01-2013, 10:48 AM
The OP realizes we have not won a playoff game or a SB. He posed the question for a fun discussion. You can still compare the two teams.

This. I mean seriously, some of you people are just damn lazy. Hell, I can compare the units of the '72 Dolphins to the '08 Lions if I wanted to for the sake of discussion.

Vegas_Bronco
01-01-2013, 11:38 AM
Elam, don't forget who got us there beetches!