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broncosteven
12-31-2012, 02:42 PM
...want to go after Lovie as a DC?

The thing he was the most successful in Chicago was teaching how to create turnovers, he developed DT's, LB's, and was very good developing CB's.

Whom else would you like to target as a DC if we had to fill the position?

g6matty
12-31-2012, 02:43 PM
who ever it is needs to be creative and able to maximize the use of vonathan miller

Tombstone RJ
12-31-2012, 02:44 PM
yes

SoCalBronco
12-31-2012, 02:44 PM
I would take Lovie. Actually I was hoping we could get Allen back if JDR left but looks like Oakland kept him.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 02:47 PM
That would be a great hire. He seems to me like he would fit in really well with Fox. But here's hoping we can keep JDR for at least one more season.

DBroncos4life
12-31-2012, 02:48 PM
I would take Lovie. Actually I was hoping we could get Allen back if JDR left but looks like Oakland kept him.

I said the same thing in the draft board. LOL

Kaylore
12-31-2012, 02:49 PM
Lovie is like a Del Rio anyway, except a little less lazy.


Not that Del Rio has been that way here.

SoCalBronco
12-31-2012, 02:51 PM
I said the same thing in the draft board. LOL

You know what would be even better? A picture of Kevin Bacon made out of....bacon. ;)

Bronco Yoda
12-31-2012, 02:51 PM
I'd go for that... but he'd have to really commit to a few years. I want some ****ing continuity damn it! Is that too much to ask.

ludo21
12-31-2012, 02:57 PM
jdr aint going nowhere.

i got sources

DBroncos4life
12-31-2012, 03:02 PM
You know what would be even better? A picture of Kevin Bacon made out of....bacon. ;)

probably the greatest thing ever :)

Lestat
12-31-2012, 03:10 PM
ideally i'd snag Horton from the Cards but that isn't happening.
Lovie will get another HC gig so that isn't likely either. but Dick Jauron on the other hand... he's available.

R8R H8R
12-31-2012, 03:12 PM
I really don't care because I trust Fox to make a good hire/promotion. That being said, Lovie is fine, but I probably prefer promoting Richard Smith.

It would provide continuity and he has done a good job w/the LB'ers considering what he has got: mainly, a superstar, a guy that is as old as Peyton, an over-achieving undersized OLB, and a drunk. :)

Binkythefrog
12-31-2012, 03:15 PM
When I lived in Chicago - I remember some complaints about him not being creative with pass rushing schemes and always relying on the ol Tampa Cover 2 D. But you really can't argue with results - Chicago's D was pretty good again this year.

broncosteven
12-31-2012, 03:16 PM
ideally i'd snag Horton from the Cards but that isn't happening.
Lovie will get another HC gig so that isn't likely either. but Dick Jauron on the other hand... he's available.

Step away from Jauron, he might be an ok DC but not as good a Lovie.

I am not sure Lovie is going have people knocking his door down to get him, it is not like he made duh bears a complete team, he couldn't evaluate offensive talent and got lucky with Hester and his return scores.

Lovie adapted their D away from the cover 2 most of the year playing to his D strenghts. If we lose JDR I would hope Elway would go after him hard.

Aftermath
12-31-2012, 03:43 PM
Lovie is like a Del Rio anyway, except a little less lazy.


Not that Del Rio has been that way here.

lolwut

extralife
12-31-2012, 03:46 PM
That would be a great hire. He seems to me like he would fit in really well with Fox.

and it seems to me he wouldn't.

Lovie is a staunch Cover 2 guy, he's run the same defensive system for over ten years now. do we really want to change things up like that? if he doesn't get a HC position, Lovie is going to go somewhere where he'll get full control over the defense

Lestat
12-31-2012, 03:56 PM
Step away from Jauron, he might be an ok DC but not as good a Lovie.

I am not sure Lovie is going have people knocking his door down to get him, it is not like he made duh bears a complete team, he couldn't evaluate offensive talent and got lucky with Hester and his return scores.

Lovie adapted their D away from the cover 2 most of the year playing to his D strenghts. If we lose JDR I would hope Elway would go after him hard.

Lovie would be #1 with a bullet but Lovie is what Fox was when he left Carolina. a proven HC with a track record of building teams and defense.
he'll get another HC job if he wants it, he might not feel a HC gig is right and go back to being a DC but it would likely be for 1-2 seasons and then he's a HC again.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 03:59 PM
and it seems to me he wouldn't.

Lovie is a staunch Cover 2 guy, he's run the same defensive system for over ten years now. do we really want to change things up like that? if he doesn't get a HC position, Lovie is going to go somewhere where he'll get full control over the defense

any DC you bring in is gonna change the D. Allen was aggressive and used multiple fronts similar to Gregg Williams who was his mentor.
Del Rio is more of a safe play bend but don't break guy who will dial it up when needed but prefers his D to not allow the big play and stay on their assignment,

ZONA
12-31-2012, 03:59 PM
jdr aint going nowhere.

i got sources

Well I don't think we'll lose both our guys. If both left that would be 3 coordinators lost in 2 seasons. The odds of that happening are very low. 1 guy may go but I doubt we lose 2.

jmz313
12-31-2012, 04:15 PM
Lovie would be #1 with a bullet but Lovie is what Fox was when he left Carolina. a proven HC with a track record of building teams and defense.
he'll get another HC job if he wants it, he might not feel a HC gig is right and go back to being a DC but it would likely be for 1-2 seasons and then he's a HC again.

I dont think lovie proved much as a HC. He never got chicago to that next step. He probably should of been fired last year. Fox, in contrast did coach in a superbowl.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 04:31 PM
I dont think lovie proved much as a HC. He never got chicago to that next step. He probably should of been fired last year. Fox, in contrast did coach in a superbowl.

LOL umm, you do realize that the head coach of the Chicago Bears team that Peyton Manning beat in the super bowl was Lovie Smith right?

in fact, you do realize that Lovie has a better career record than Fox, has 1 less division title, has 2 NFC championship games to Fox's 1. both lost a super bowl.

so what exactly didn't Lovie prove as a HC?

Hercules Rockefeller
12-31-2012, 04:34 PM
I would take Lovie. Actually I was hoping we could get Allen back if JDR left but looks like Oakland kept him.

As a Bears fan who posts on a Broncos' board, can you tell us more about what we could expect from a defense coached by Lovie?

Ratboy
12-31-2012, 04:36 PM
I would take Lovie. Actually I was hoping we could get Allen back if JDR left but looks like Oakland kept him.

and going back to the 24th rank Defense in points and 20th in yards?

Allen wasn't special.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 04:43 PM
and going back to the 24th rank Defense in points and 20th in yards?

Allen wasn't special.

we were fifth in sacks and it was the first year Elway had his hands on the team. the roster is much better this year than when Allen had the defense.

Atwater His Ass
12-31-2012, 05:05 PM
Lovie would be a great choice. However, I really hope the organization can convince JDR to stick around for at least another year, if not one or two more after that to take advantage of the Manning run.

But if he really wants to be a HC, he'll have to take the opportunity when it arises.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 05:07 PM
The good news is that so far I haven't seen or heard any mention of teams pursuing JDR. Let's hope that continues.

DENVERDUI55
12-31-2012, 05:22 PM
I dont think lovie proved much as a HC. He never got chicago to that next step. He probably should of been fired last year. Fox, in contrast did coach in a superbowl.

WTF?

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 05:27 PM
we were fifth in sacks and it was the first year Elway had his hands on the team. the roster is much better this year than when Allen had the defense.

The point remains. Allen wasn't that special. He was serviceable. Nothing more.

elsid13
12-31-2012, 05:28 PM
instead of going after the head coach that was fired, maybe we should actually go after the guy that was Defense Coordinator - Rod Marinelli.

If they do hire from outside of the current staff then I would hope for Ray Horton (DC for the Cardinals). That defense plays very similar style of defense where Denver appears to be going.

DENVERDUI55
12-31-2012, 05:30 PM
instead of going after the head coach that was fired, maybe we should actually go after the guy that was Defense Coordinator - Rod Marinelli.

If they do hire from outside of the current staff then I would hope for Ray Horton (DC for the Cardinals). That defense plays very similar style of defense where Denver appears to be going.

Horton isn't available. Cardinals kept defensive staff plus he is a 3-4 guy.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 05:32 PM
instead of going after the head coach that was fired, maybe we should actually go after the guy that was Defense Coordinator - Rod Marinelli.

If they do hire from outside of the current staff then I would hope for Ray Horton (DC for the Cardinals). That defense plays very similar style of defense where Denver appears to be going.

part of the reason they fired Wisenhunt was the keep Horton. they feared they'd lose him and the back up plan if they can't land a top tier guy is to hire Horton as HC and pair him with a top notch OC.

Bacchus
12-31-2012, 05:38 PM
and going back to the 24th rank Defense in points and 20th in yards?

Allen wasn't special.

The year before the Broncos were dead last in points and yardage, or thereabouts. The defense jumped 12 spots and set up for JDR to be great. That being said I'd rather have Richard Smith than Allen.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 05:42 PM
The year before the Broncos were dead last in points and yardage, or thereabouts. The defense jumped 12 spots and set up for JDR to be great. That being said I'd rather have Richard Smith than Allen.

Drafting Von Miller and getting Dumervil back will have that effect. It really didn't have that much to do with Allen.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 05:52 PM
Drafting Von Miller and getting Dumervil back will have that effect. It really didn't have that much to do with Allen.

clearly you don't remember the crap we had to trot out onto the field and call it a defense that season.

it had a lot to do with Allen. we were a bend don't break defense by design, give up tons of yards but force turnovers and get sacks.

baja
12-31-2012, 06:26 PM
If not JDR than his right hand man. His understudy, who ever that is.

gunns
12-31-2012, 06:30 PM
JDR is the one name I have not heard as a possibility or interviewing.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-31-2012, 07:48 PM
I would take Lovie. Actually I was hoping we could get Allen back if JDR left but looks like Oakland kept him.

Von Miller and a Tampa 2?

Drek
12-31-2012, 09:01 PM
I'd go after Kevin Greene, outside linebackers coach for the Green Bay Packers. He's currently coaching in a 3-4 but we throw a lot of 3-4 wrinkles into our defense which is barely something you could call a base 4-3 anyhow. Greene also played in both 3-4 and 4-3 fronts, including time as a 4-3 OLB with significant pass rush production, so he'd understand Von Miller's situation quite well.

He hasn't been linked with any DC jobs despite the success of Green Bay's LBs, likely because the defense as a whole has been suspect and I'm sure he's quite picky about not getting to coach a talent on par with Clay Matthews. Von Miller offers an elite alternative with Doom as icing on the cake from a "look what you have to work with" perspective.

He'd be able to take this system and keep it going. Lovie Smith and Rod Marinelli would turn it into a much more conventional Tampa 2. I don't think we have anyone on the staff now with enough time under their belt to be given the reigns completely and Fox doesn't have the time to pick up the slack himself.

It's all moot though because I don't think JDR is going anywhere. McCoy looks like a shoe in to depart but that is a vacancy you can fill well without a ton of fight.

errand
12-31-2012, 09:30 PM
it would not be the mane if people did not speculate about all the current coaches and/or players we could replace with someone else

lonestar
12-31-2012, 10:46 PM
The good news is that so far I haven't seen or heard any mention of teams pursuing JDR. Let's hope that continues.

:thumbs:

fontaine
01-01-2013, 08:29 AM
Why the blue balls would you want a DC who runs a strict cover two with a 4-3 front?

It would take years for Lovie to get the players he wants in our system.

We're only one or two players away on defense from being elite. Why screw with that and go a completely different direction.

spiralism
01-01-2013, 08:32 AM
Lovie is overqualified anyways. He'll walk into the HC gig he wants

Bmore Manning
01-01-2013, 08:40 AM
This may be the unpopular view, but Romeo Crennel is a fabulous DC who has the respect of his players. He always has his teams playing great defensively.. As I have suggested Tom Moore for OC if McCoy leaves, but he will stay as long as Peyton plays in Denver and Peyton loves continuity in the structure of the organization.

That would lock up OC until Peyton is done. And I don't think Crennel will be getting a head coaching gig anytime soon, but he is a brilliant defensive mine. I think he fits more than some of the other names that I have seen, Smith and the Tampa 2... And we run a hybrid defense, so I want a 3-4/4-3 hybrid type flexible mind. Horton would be great but that's not an option. Keep in mind that our front plays in two gap principles, which would make a 3-4 coach an option.

Lestat
01-01-2013, 09:28 AM
This may be the unpopular view, but Romeo Crennel is a fabulous DC who has the respect of his players. He always has his teams playing great defensively.. As I have suggested Tom Moore for OC if McCoy leaves, but he will stay as long as Peyton plays in Denver and Peyton loves continuity in the structure of the organization.

That would lock up OC until Peyton is done. And I don't think Crennel will be getting a head coaching gig anytime soon, but he is a brilliant defensive mine. I think he fits more than some of the other names that I have seen, Smith and the Tampa 2... And we run a hybrid defense, so I want a 3-4/4-3 hybrid type flexible mind. Horton would be great but that's not an option. Keep in mind that our front plays in two gap principles, which would make a 3-4 coach an option.

i love the idea of Crennel or Jauron to replace Del Rio if he leaves.
Lovie is getting a HC gig so discussing him is moot though he would be my #1 with a bullet.
he helped develop the tampa 2 D while with Dungy in Tampa and has ran only that his whole career but even Del Rio tweaked what he normally does to fit the talent of Denver when he came here.

peacepipe
01-01-2013, 09:39 AM
If JDR leaves,the #1 choice should be Romeo Crennel,we need someone that can run either a 3-4/4-3 defense. Especially if you want someone that can be creative enough to use Von Miller.

Rohirrim
01-01-2013, 10:08 AM
JDR is the one name I have not heard as a possibility or interviewing.

It might take him a few years to shake off the stench of J'Ville.

Bmore Manning
01-01-2013, 10:10 AM
i love the idea of Crennel or Jauron to replace Del Rio if he leaves.
Lovie is getting a HC gig so discussing him is moot though he would be my #1 with a bullet.
he helped develop the tampa 2 D while with Dungy in Tampa and has ran only that his whole career but even Del Rio tweaked what he normally does to fit the talent of Denver when he came here.

I like Lovie, but I don't think that he fits in with what we are doing defensively. I don't think Von will be used properly under Lovie. Lovie would put Ayers at DE and Wolfe at DT.. I really don't like his principles and our personnel.

Jauron has really improved the Cleveland defense and I think he would be a better fit and would be able to run with what we are doing. I think that Cleveland would have a lot of success running a scheme like ours with their personnel. Sheard, Rubin, Taylor, Winn and maybe a Jarvis Jones coming off the edge. Jauron has also not been fired yet.. Should they get an offensive minded HC, they would be wise to keep Jauron.

I think Horton will be the HC somewhere next year, Arizona would be wise to keep him and go after a OC who was a former HC, Turner/Gailey.

There are plenty of young position coordinators, but I think we need continuity at the position and Crennel is not only beyond qualified, but he will not be called on as to coach somewhere, probably ever again. He would be able to solidify the position and really utilize our personnel.

uplink
01-01-2013, 12:44 PM
If JDR leaves it will be Smith as DC, the LB coach. The broncos have already blocked him from interviewing for DC jobs plus he has DC experience in the NFL.

TonyR
01-01-2013, 01:02 PM
The last thing they’d want to do is hire a Lovie Smith to run the defense. He’s a scheme guy, a devotee of the Tampa 2. Playing Tampa 2 with Von Miller on the roster would be insane. I realize that Lovie is a name you know, but the Broncos aren’t going to want to completely change a scheme that has been terrific this year. Chill out, and stop being absurd. http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/chill-a-minute-on-the-mccoy-del-rio-speculation