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rideco
12-31-2012, 08:19 AM
Ok,
Its early in the week and with all of the upcoming firings lets just assume that McCoy is gone as the OC. Who do you want to see as a replacement? I say who ever freaking PFM wants. I think that this not going to be a hard job to fill with the talent we have and the ability to just continue to win going forward. What do you guys think?

Kaylore
12-31-2012, 08:20 AM
Moore or Gase.

EDIT: Ken Wisenhunt is on the top of my list. That dude is boss.

rideco
12-31-2012, 08:25 AM
Moore or Gase.

You are talking about Tom Moore right?

Kaylore
12-31-2012, 08:28 AM
You are talking about Tom Moore right?

Si

BroncoBeavis
12-31-2012, 08:30 AM
Kubes is our guy.

They go full Spanos down in Houston and fire him after a 12-4 season and 1-n-done in the playoffs.

Kaylore
12-31-2012, 08:31 AM
Kubes is our guy.

They go full Spanos down in Houston and fire him after a 12-4 season and 1-n-done in the playoffs.

He doesn't fit what we do here AT ALL.

broncswin
12-31-2012, 08:33 AM
Mcdaniels

BroncoBeavis
12-31-2012, 08:34 AM
He doesn't fit what we do here AT ALL.

He's also not getting fired. Just roll with it.

rideco
12-31-2012, 08:35 AM
Only thing I am worried about with him is his age and health. I think it would be a good choice for one year but not sure its going to be worth it much passed that. I just pray JDR sticks around for another year. To tell you the truth I think we are a year ahead of schedule with this team. I had us going to the playoffs this year with a 9-7 record before the year started with a push next year for a 11+ win season. I am amazed with what this team has been able to do this year and I want to see this continue for a while.

spiralism
12-31-2012, 08:36 AM
I'd be cool with Gase. Keep a bit of consistency and he's well qualified

rideco
12-31-2012, 08:37 AM
I would LOVE to see Kubes back but I dont think they are going to fire him this year. But you never know.

Man-Goblin
12-31-2012, 08:38 AM
Mcdaniels

I want Ben McDaniels too.

Requiem
12-31-2012, 08:45 AM
Brian Griese.

RhymesayersDU
12-31-2012, 08:54 AM
Norv.

lostknight
12-31-2012, 09:14 AM
Between Tebow last year, and Manning this year, McCoy is long gone. I could see him ending up in Jacksonville or Chicago. Not sure it's the best for him - I suspect another year with Manning would be better for him, but Que Sera. I think whatever team looses the "McDaniels sweepstakes" (I can't believe I just wrote that), will grab McCoy.

Kaylore
12-31-2012, 09:22 AM
He's also not getting fired. Just roll with it.

All right I'm all in. Naked bootleg for Manning!

Man-Goblin
12-31-2012, 09:23 AM
Lovie if Del Rio gets a job?

BroncoMan4ever
12-31-2012, 09:23 AM
Mcdaniels

http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i50/5/5/7/frabz-not-sure-if-serious-or-seriously-dumb-35fea3.jpg

rideco
12-31-2012, 09:25 AM
Lovie if Del Rio gets a job?

I think that Lovie is looking for another HC job but that would not be too bad if the worst happens and JDR leaves.

rideco
12-31-2012, 09:25 AM
Jay Glazer ‏<s>@</s>JayGlazer (https://twitter.com/JayGlazer) The Bears have already asked for permission to interview Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy. He's a very, very hot name right now

BroncoBeavis
12-31-2012, 09:26 AM
All right I'm all in. Naked bootleg for Manning!

Damn straight. The Orange and Blue turned PM into a freakin hurdler this year. Just have his neck surgery team on standby. We have the technology. We can rebuild him.

BroncoMan4ever
12-31-2012, 09:27 AM
Between Tebow last year, and Manning this year, McCoy is long gone. I could see him ending up in Jacksonville or Chicago. Not sure it's the best for him - I suspect another year with Manning would be better for him, but Que Sera. I think whatever team looses the "McDaniels sweepstakes" (I can't believe I just wrote that), will grab McCoy.
I gotta wonder. If Tebow to Jacksoville does happen would khan try to set up McCoy firsy and then acquire Tim. Pair him with a coach who has shown the pair can work together

ColoradoDarin
12-31-2012, 09:27 AM
In order:

Wisenhunt
Shurmur
Norv

BroncoMan4ever
12-31-2012, 09:29 AM
Damn straight. The Orange and Blue turned PM into a freakin hurdler this year. Just have his neck surgery team on standby. We have the technology. We can rebuild him.

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peacepipe
12-31-2012, 09:32 AM
I gotta wonder. If Tebow to Jacksoville does happen would khan try to set up McCoy firsy and then acquire Tim. Pair him with a coach who has shown the pair can work together

Not likely,I don't see McCoy starting his HC career with Tebow as his QB.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 09:34 AM
In order:

Wisenhunt
Shurmur
Norv

yes sir! that's my list too.

UberBroncoMan
12-31-2012, 09:47 AM
Luckily for us OC isn't that big an issue. We just need a really smart guy who can come up with great gameplans for attack and such as well as help with adjustments on gameday. Play calling is up to Manning.

DC is my biggest concern. If we only lose McCoy I can live. If we lose Del Rio also, it's going to SUCK.

rideco
12-31-2012, 09:49 AM
Luckily for us OC isn't that big an issue. We just need a really smart guy who can come up with great gameplans for attack and such as well as help with adjustments on gameday. Play calling is up to Manning.

DC is my biggest concern. If we only lose McCoy I can live. If we lose Del Rio also, it's going to SUCK.


100% agree

Heyneck
12-31-2012, 09:54 AM
When McCoy is hired, I bet you Gase takes over.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-31-2012, 09:58 AM
Whoever Peyton wants and doesn't have an ego

mopatt24
12-31-2012, 10:00 AM
I'm all in for Wisenhunt

tesnyde
12-31-2012, 10:01 AM
I would LOVE to see Kubes back but I dont think they are going to fire him this year. But you never know.

So if Kubes and staff gets fired then I would hope we would also consider Phillips for DC if we lose JDR.

orinjkrush
12-31-2012, 10:05 AM
time for Elway to focus on his coaching team. the football team is others' job right now.

you don't throw away a coaching team just 'cause others want to pilfer it.

Elway needs to do whatever necessary to keep and improve this coaching team.

Titles; Money; Perqs; Promises; Expense Accounts; Private jets; and a little history lesson "take other coaching jobs too early and die a McDaniels death."

R8R H8R
12-31-2012, 10:05 AM
Between Tebow last year, and Manning this year, McCoy is long gone. I could see him ending up in Jacksonville or Chicago. Not sure it's the best for him - I suspect another year with Manning would be better for him, but Que Sera. I think whatever team looses the "McDaniels sweepstakes" (I can't believe I just wrote that), will grab McCoy.

It will be the other way around. McCoy is a hotter candidate than McDaniels at this point. Teams saw what a disaster he was here, and couple that with the fact
that he completely flopped as an OC in St Louis, tells them that he has only proven he is a good coach when he has Tom Brady.

McCoy has proven he can win with a Tebow and a Manning. That should be more important to any team.

lostknight
12-31-2012, 10:09 AM
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It will be the other way around. McCoy is a hotter candidate than McDaniels at this point. Teams saw what a disaster he was here, and couple that with the fact
that he completely flopped as an OC in St Louis, tells them that he has only proven he is a good coach when he has Tom Brady.

McCoy has proven he can win with a Tebow and a Manning. That should be more important to any team.

It should be, but it's not. The New England label continues to stick.

I will say this - I think one big arguement going for McCoy is what was said on SNF last night - unless you have one of the 3-4 elite QB's (which we now do have), you have to find a way to break the mold, and do things that the NFL found beneath itself a year or two ago - including option quarterbacking. That plays in McCoy's favor.

R8R H8R
12-31-2012, 10:13 AM
time for Elway to focus on his coaching team. the football team is others' job right now.

you don't throw away a coaching team just 'cause others want to pilfer it.

Elway needs to do whatever necessary to keep and improve this coaching team.

Titles; Money; Perqs; Promises; Expense Accounts; Private jets; and a little history lesson "take other coaching jobs too early and die a McDaniels death."

I may be misreading your statement, but assistant coaching decisions are Fox's responsibility and choice. Elway just decides the HC only. Elway can make a suggestion for sure, but Fox has final authority on his staff, as it should be.

winstoncup bronco
12-31-2012, 10:14 AM
I'm sorry, I just don't get the McCoy thing.

Everyone complained our offense sucked last year, but think McCoy did this masterful job. We were 23rd in yards, 25th in points. Wow.

And now people are giving him all the credit for Manning's season? Like Manning never had great seasons before?

I won't lose a wink of sleep if some team just jumps on a popular name.

Mountain Bronco
12-31-2012, 10:14 AM
McCoy will probably interview with Chicago this week and they will likely hire him IMO and he will take that job as it is the best job of any of the openings as it was a 10-6 team in a tough division.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 10:15 AM
It should be, but it's not. The New England label continues to stick.

I will say this - I think one big arguement going for McCoy is what was said on SNF last night - unless you have one of the 3-4 elite QB's (which we now do have), you have to find a way to break the mold, and do things that the NFL found beneath itself a year or two ago - including option quarterbacking. That plays in McCoy's favor.

The NE label is the rep you get from that offense NE has? Crennel,mcdaniels,pioli,who was it that coached the jets & browns? I think that rep has run its course.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 10:21 AM
I'm sorry, I just don't get the McCoy thing.

Everyone complained our offense sucked last year, but think McCoy did this masterful job. We were 23rd in yards, 25th in points. Wow.

And now people are giving him all the credit for Manning's season? Like Manning never had great seasons before?

I won't lose a wink of sleep if some team just jumps on a popular name.You don't get the success McCoy had last yr,not only with tebow as QB & changing an entire offensive scheme mid-season. Our offense sucked because we had tebow as QB,McCoy should be praised for what he was able to pull off with tebow at QB.

Hamrob
12-31-2012, 10:25 AM
I want experience. I think we have shown that experience is what is necessary in the coordinator roles.

Kubs if he does get fired
Moore
Norv
Wisenhunt

I love Gase, but not with John Fox as the HC. It's fine to bring a young guy up into the coordinator role, if the HC can run that side of the ball. So, go young on Defense if needed, but hire a compliment to Fox to run the offense. Norv or Moore would be perfect. Kubs would be heaven. I think Kubs can adjust to any offense...that's my opinion.

I'll say this about Houston...had they went out and signed Manning........they would be head and heals above the pack. Matt Schaub is very average...and Kubiak has squeezed that lemon until there is no juice left. The HC will get he blame...but, he doesn't have the guy behind center that's needed to win a championship!

Go Elway! He got it done.

R8R H8R
12-31-2012, 10:25 AM
It should be, but it's not. The New England label continues to stick.

I will say this - I think one big arguement going for McCoy is what was said on SNF last night - unless you have one of the 3-4 elite QB's (which we now do have), you have to find a way to break the mold, and do things that the NFL found beneath itself a year or two ago - including option quarterbacking. That plays in McCoy's favor.

Well, if you are right, then those teams deserve their fate. However, your comment concerning McCoy confirms my thought that he may make a better HC than he was an OC. He gets it. He has proven to himself that it is not about the system(like McD), it is about the players and designing the system around them.

BroncoInferno
12-31-2012, 10:25 AM
For those mentioning big names like Norv Turner, it ain't happening. Those guys have their own offensive philosophies that don't really mesh with what Manning likes to do. If McCoy goes (and the deeper into the playoffs we advance, the less likely that becomes), then it will either be someone already on the staff (e.g. Gase) or someone Manning has worked with before (e.g. Tom Moore).

BroncoBeavis
12-31-2012, 10:26 AM
McCoy will probably interview with Chicago this week and they will likely hire him IMO and he will take that job as it is the best job of any of the openings as it was a 10-6 team in a tough division.

Might be a good reentry spot for a blue-chipper like Cowher or Chucky though too.

I say bring back da Ditka. :)

razorwire77
12-31-2012, 10:28 AM
I'd be shocked if it wasn't Tom Moore.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-31-2012, 10:29 AM
Gase or Moore. Those are probably the only 2 that would keep it a smooth transition.

NE didnt lose anything when McDaniels left. I expect the broncos will not be affected as much when McCoy leaves. Elite QBs can soften any coaching loss.

winstoncup bronco
12-31-2012, 10:31 AM
You don't get the success McCoy had last yr,not only with tebow as QB & changing an entire offensive scheme mid-season. Our offense sucked because we had tebow as QB,McCoy should be praised for what he was able to pull off with tebow at QB.

That offense was as a conservative offense as I've ever seen. Most of those wins came on Tebow running, and burning an unsuspecting defense with a surprise pass downfield. We were mid 20's in offense, there's not much below that.

I'm confident this offense will not miss a beat if he leaves.

UberBroncoMan
12-31-2012, 10:36 AM
So if Kubes and staff gets fired then I would hope we would also consider Phillips for DC if we lose JDR.

He runs a 3-4. We just finally got back to a 4-3. We don't have a dominant NT.

Quoydogs
12-31-2012, 10:38 AM
I don't get the McCoy buzz .. He was horrible last year with Tebow. I remember sitting on the couch making bets on what his next three plays would be and winning 90 percent of the time. Manning is running this show. Anybody impressed with McCoy this year, should be impressed with Manning.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 10:38 AM
That offense was as a conservative offense as I've ever seen. Most of those wins came on Tebow running, and burning an unsuspecting defense with a surprise pass downfield. We were mid 20's in offense, there's not much below that.

I'm confident this offense will not miss a beat if he leaves.

Exactly,when your QB can't throw the ball,you run a real conservative offense. Shows great ability to adapt to the talent you have on offense.

winstoncup bronco
12-31-2012, 10:42 AM
Exactly,when your QB can't throw the ball,you run a real conservative offense. Shows great ability to adapt to the talent you have on offense.

When your QB can't throw, what else is there to do?

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-31-2012, 10:44 AM
When your QB can't throw, what else is there to do?

Get one who can

Quoydogs
12-31-2012, 10:44 AM
He runs a 3-4. We just finally got back to a 4-3. We don't have a dominant NT.

I personally like a 3-4 D but I agree with you on we just got a good 4-3 set up and its kicking ass why would you try and change that ?

winstoncup bronco
12-31-2012, 10:44 AM
And by the way, during Orton's turn at QB last year, the team never scored more than 24 points in a game, so it's not like we were lighting up the scoreboard with either guy.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 10:50 AM
He runs a 3-4. We just finally got back to a 4-3. We don't have a dominant NT.

Does Indy have a dominant NT? NO,but they run a 3-4 defense.

Mediator12
12-31-2012, 10:59 AM
Does Indy have a dominant NT? NO,but they run a 3-4 defense.

They will next year. Josh Chapman is sitting on IR after being a beast for Alabama even after he tore his ACL. Once Chapman is healthy and Grigson raids PHI now that Reid got fired that front seven will be pretty damn good IMHO.

Also, their defense is still pretty crappy this year even with the scheme change. They are younger and getting experience though. Manusky has been fairly unimpressive as DC though just as I expected.

theAPAOps5
12-31-2012, 11:02 AM
All right I'm all in. Naked bootleg for Manning!

Jesus what a horrible mental image. Yesterday he rolled out of the pocket and had Hali, I believe, closing in on his blind side. I swear to God I screamed out in panic.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 11:02 AM
They will next year. Josh Chapman is sitting on IR after being a beast for Alabama even after he tore his ACL. Once Chapman is healthy and Grigson raids PHI now that Reid got fired that front seven will be pretty damn good IMHO.

Also, their defense is still pretty crappy this year even with the scheme change. They are younger and getting experience though. Manusky has been fairly unimpressive as DC though just as I expected.

My point is this notion that we don't have the personal to run a 3-4 is a fallacy.

Vine
12-31-2012, 11:05 AM
I don't get the McCoy buzz .. He was horrible last year with Tebow. I remember sitting on the couch making bets on what his next three plays would be and winning 90 percent of the time. Manning is running this show. Anybody impressed with McCoy this year, should be impressed with Manning.

This.

The Broncos success on offense this year is all Manning. I just can't wait for Mccoy to go somewhere else, see another team flop because of him.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 11:13 AM
I don't get the McCoy buzz .. He was horrible last year with Tebow. I remember sitting on the couch making bets on what his next three plays would be and winning 90 percent of the time. Manning is running this show. Anybody impressed with McCoy this year, should be impressed with Manning.

Actually, he was damn good last yr with tebow,he recognized his QBs limitations & adjusted accordingly.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 11:14 AM
Luckily for us OC isn't that big an issue. We just need a really smart guy who can come up with great gameplans for attack and such as well as help with adjustments on gameday. Play calling is up to Manning.

DC is my biggest concern. If we only lose McCoy I can live. If we lose Del Rio also, it's going to SUCK.


that is one of the biggest parts of a OC's job. that's one of the toughest things to find in a good OC. play calling involves a certain feel for the game that certain people have a great feel on and some don't.
but putting together game plans and attacking is more of a issue to find than play calling because it's the process that leads up to success that some can't understand.

Vine
12-31-2012, 11:14 AM
You don't get the success McCoy had last yr,not only with tebow as QB & changing an entire offensive scheme mid-season. Our offense sucked because we had tebow as QB,McCoy should be praised for what he was able to pull off with tebow at QB.

You really buying into 99% run plays on 1st downs? I don't care if you have the worst throwing qb in the history of the NFL, if opposing teams know that you are going to run on 1st down, then your offense becomes 1 dimensional, of course you are going to struggle to get any 1st downs, let alone sustain drives and score points.

Vine
12-31-2012, 11:15 AM
When your QB can't throw, what else is there to do?

Bootlegs, misdirection. At first, the option-read was great, but when teams figured that out, McCoy failed at further improvisation.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 11:23 AM
You really buying into 99% run plays on 1st downs? I don't care if you have the worst throwing qb in the history of the NFL, if opposing teams know that you are going to run on 1st down, then your offense becomes 1 dimensional, of course you are going to struggle to get any 1st downs, let alone sustain drives and score points.

What are the options when you have tebow as your QB? Throw an incomplete pass into the sidelines/grass,throw an int or run where you have your best chance to gain some yards. That's the problem with tebow,he can't throw the ball,so your offense is forced into being one dimensional.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 11:29 AM
Bootlegs, misdirection. At first, the option-read was great, but when teams figured that out, McCoy failed at further improvisation.
Sometimes,like with tebow,you have to realize that there's nothing that can be done that will fix the fact that tebow can't play QB in the NFL.

Bronco Yoda
12-31-2012, 11:31 AM
PFM's butler and personal driver is Mr. Jeeves. Welcome to the coaching staff Mr. Jeeves.

CEH
12-31-2012, 11:31 AM
Tebow didn't have the chops to audible nor the chops to throw the ball
It was basically whatever call was made from the sideline had to be the play
while the defense had the ability to adjust

The NFL knows what when down in Denver contrary to what the zealots in Tebowland believe

Vine
12-31-2012, 11:31 AM
Sometimes,like with tebow,you have to realize that there's nothing that can be done that will fix the fact that tebow can't play QB in the NFL.

Well, I am hoping that Jax will give people a chance to shut up, or eat crow about Tebow.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 11:32 AM
Bootlegs, misdirection. At first, the option-read was great, but when teams figured that out, McCoy failed at further improvisation.

what misdirection or bootleg was there to run? teams were daring Tebow to throw and the only team he really burned was Pitt on the TD pass to DT and that was mostly DT just beasting on Ike Taylor for tons of Yac.
Tebow could do hand offs and read option and so that's what we did.
we won a division title and playoff game behind it.

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 11:33 AM
Well, I am hoping that Jax will give people a chance to shut up, or eat crow about Tebow.

He'll have to beat out Chad Henne in TC.

Kaylore
12-31-2012, 11:37 AM
Ken Wisenhunt was just fired. There's your next OC.

Vine
12-31-2012, 11:39 AM
He'll have to beat out Chad Henne in TC.

Tebow has a negative effect on qb's above him on depth charts. Orton and Sanchez. Where ever Tebow goes, most likely will end up in a situation in which Tebow is given the starting job, so as to avoid a qb controversy and put butts in the seats.

Drek
12-31-2012, 11:42 AM
What are the options when you have tebow as your QB? Throw an incomplete pass into the sidelines/grass,throw an int or run where you have your best chance to gain some yards. That's the problem with tebow,he can't throw the ball,so your offense is forced into being one dimensional.
Maybe run the kind of game plan that worked so well against the Steelers and Vikings.

15-20 passes in the first three quarters with 5+ of them being deep shots down field. Play the 4th quarter by ear. You let Tebow do that and he wins you big games, just like he did for us. He's got one of the better deep balls in the league and we failed to make use of it with any consistency last season.


Tebow didn't have the chops to audible nor the chops to throw the ball
It was basically whatever call was made from the sideline had to be the play
while the defense had the ability to adjust

The NFL knows what when down in Denver contrary to what the zealots in Tebowland believe

How is this different from every other rookie/young first time starter ever, including Peyton Manning and all the successful rookie starters in the league this year?

I can't recall the last time I've seen a rookie given significant audible responsibilities. Tebow being given the power to run option plays and on the fly switch to a QB run is as much or more leverage than most rookie QBs ever get.


McCoy leaving isn't a big deal to me at all. The big turning point for this season to me was when they let Manning just take over the offense and dropped pretty much all of McCoy's plays from last year and Carolina, running basically nothing but the former Colts offense under Manning. If McCoy leaves we either promote Gase, bring in Tom Moore, or do both and call Tom Moore a "special assistant".

broncswin
12-31-2012, 11:42 AM
http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i50/5/5/7/frabz-not-sure-if-serious-or-seriously-dumb-35fea3.jpg

Lmao...would put that one right back to you

Lestat
12-31-2012, 11:47 AM
Ken Wisenhunt was just fired. There's your next OC.

him or Shurmur work for me.
i favor Wisenhunt a bit more though since his philosophy would likely fit in more with the smash mouth style Fox likes.
though Manning at QB means you really just need a solid running game and then allow him to do his work.

Bronco Yoda
12-31-2012, 11:58 AM
I can see McCoy going on a couple interviews and building his networking ... but I'm betting that he'll still stick around riding PM to some Super Bowls. Having a veteran player like PM is dream come true for a coach.

JDR is the one that I could see getting a HC job. I really really hope he stays.

Bronco Yoda
12-31-2012, 11:59 AM
Speculations abound that Andy Reid want to go to San Diego.

R8R H8R
12-31-2012, 12:00 PM
Some of you guys crack me up. Earlier in the year when the team was just learning the offense and the team was 2 and 3, all I heard was McCoy sucked and he should be immediately fired because Manning doesn't need an OC to screw things up.

Now that the Broncos are legitimate contenders with the #2 scoring offense in the NFL, some of the same people will give him no credit at all; because it is all Manning right?

I said earlier in the year that McCoy was in a no-win situation with many of the fans because when plays don't work, it will be McCoys fault. But when plays work beautifully, it will only be because Manning audibilized into it.

broncosteven
12-31-2012, 12:03 PM
I just heard on Chicago's AM1000 that duh bears want to interview McCoy.

I think we are going to lose the guy.

oubronco
12-31-2012, 12:11 PM
If you could choose where to go would you choose Chicago and Cutler

broncosteven
12-31-2012, 12:13 PM
AM670 The Score said Jay Glazer posted that duh bear's asked for permission to interview McCoy

ludo21
12-31-2012, 12:16 PM
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo................



wait peyton is our OC... nevermind

peacepipe
12-31-2012, 12:23 PM
If you could choose where to go would you choose Chicago and Cutler

Yes.

maher_tyler
12-31-2012, 12:31 PM
Speculations abound that Andy Reid want to go to San Diego.

I highly doubt Reid coaches any where next year.

socalorado
12-31-2012, 12:36 PM
Good for McCoy! Let him go. DEN doesnt need him.
DEN needs Peyton Freakin Manning.
That is all.

broncosteven
12-31-2012, 12:36 PM
I highly doubt Reid coaches any where next year.

I think duh bears would be better off with Reid. I wonder with the death of his son and the tough season he had this year on the field if he doesn't take a year or 2 off and try TV.

maher_tyler
12-31-2012, 12:38 PM
I don't understand the love for McCoy suddenly. Even with a guy like Tebow we either ran 3 straight plays or would wait until 3rd and long to throw the ball. There was zero rhythm in play calling. When we did let him throw a bit more and weren't as predictable he had some of his better games. No we have possibly the best QB ever running the show. The offense was middle of the road at best when Orton was QB. I won't miss him at all when he's gone.

maher_tyler
12-31-2012, 12:41 PM
I think duh bears would be better off with Reid. I wonder with the death of his son and the tough season he had this year on the field if he doesn't take a year or 2 off and try TV.

He would be wise to go the Shanahan route and take a year off...grieve properly, re-charge the batteries etc.

gyldenlove
12-31-2012, 12:42 PM
AM670 The Score said Jay Glazer posted that duh bear's asked for permission to interview McCoy

Sadly, the Bears is a really good situation for Mccoy, he gets some good offensive talent in Marshall and Forte, he gets a good defense as well. I think it would be a solid position for him to take.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 12:45 PM
If you could choose where to go would you choose Chicago and Cutler

Bears or Eagles, maybe the Cardinals depending on their future plans.

broncosteven
12-31-2012, 12:57 PM
Sadly, the Bears is a really good situation for Mccoy, he gets some good offensive talent in Marshall and Forte, he gets a good defense as well. I think it would be a solid position for him to take.

He still needs to draft an entire OL and TE to protect Cutler, they will likely lose Henry Melton now as he was a guy Lovie was patient with and developed over the last couple years. duh bears D is ancient and they will likely lose Urlacker which means they need to draft 2 starting LB's, couple DT's and another DE to play across from Peppers who has lost a step.

Then there is the hand tieing that the mCcaskets do because they don't spend money.

If I were a 1st time HC I would find an owner who is willing to spend and an is willing to work through the growing pains. I don't think Chicago is a good place for him to go.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 01:30 PM
He still needs to draft an entire OL and TE to protect Cutler, they will likely lose Henry Melton now as he was a guy Lovie was patient with and developed over the last couple years. duh bears D is ancient and they will likely lose Urlacker which means they need to draft 2 starting LB's, couple DT's and another DE to play across from Peppers who has lost a step.

Then there is the hand tieing that the mCcaskets do because they don't spend money.

If I were a 1st time HC I would find an owner who is willing to spend and an is willing to work through the growing pains. I don't think Chicago is a good place for him to go.

Emery did pretty well in his first draft. i think he'll build upon that and get the OL and TE situations fixed.
this just further makes people wonder why the hell they listened to Martz and traded Olsen away when they should have made him mold the offense to help feature Olsen more.

R8R H8R
12-31-2012, 01:38 PM
He still needs to draft an entire OL and TE to protect Cutler, they will likely lose Henry Melton now as he was a guy Lovie was patient with and developed over the last couple years. duh bears D is ancient and they will likely lose Urlacker which means they need to draft 2 starting LB's, couple DT's and another DE to play across from Peppers who has lost a step.

Then there is the hand tieing that the mCcaskets do because they don't spend money.

If I were a 1st time HC I would find an owner who is willing to spend and an is willing to work through the growing pains. I don't think Chicago is a good place for him to go.

It depends on what he thinks of Cutler. If he thinks he can win a SB with him, then he should take the job. If not, then he shouldn't take it because he would be stuck with him, and we all know if the team fails, it surely won't be Cutler's fault.

broncosteven
12-31-2012, 01:42 PM
Emery did pretty well in his first draft. i think he'll build upon that and get the OL and TE situations fixed.
this just further makes people wonder why the hell they listened to Martz and traded Olsen away when they should have made him mold the offense to help feature Olsen more.

They were just talking him up on the Score (am670) I still think they would have been better off using that 2nd round pick on an OL than McCleelan(sp?) I think that kid is too small to play in the NFL.

Gutless Drunk
12-31-2012, 01:49 PM
Arizona and Chicago have asked for and received permission to interview Broncos OC Mike McCoy for their HC job. Will interview this weekend.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter

Bronco Yoda
12-31-2012, 01:51 PM
I wonder if Khan is interested in McCoy. He's already had experience and some success in the Tebow circus.

Jetmeck
12-31-2012, 01:52 PM
Jay Glazer ‏<s>@</s>JayGlazer (https://twitter.com/JayGlazer) The Bears have already asked for permission to interview Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy. He's a very, very hot name right now


McCoy is a lucky man riding Manning's coat tails to a big pay day maybe.

Are NFL that hard up that he is at the top of their list ?

JDR I see, that makes sense but McCOY IS WAY OVERATED.

FrankieTwoThumbs
12-31-2012, 01:56 PM
I don't understand the love for McCoy suddenly. Even with a guy like Tebow we either ran 3 straight plays or would wait until 3rd and long to throw the ball. There was zero rhythm in play calling. When we did let him throw a bit more and weren't as predictable he had some of his better games. No we have possibly the best QB ever running the show. The offense was middle of the road at best when Orton was QB. I won't miss him at all when he's gone.

McCoy's offenses reflect the qb running them. Tebow, offense sucked and was insanely predictable but was the only thing approaching a feasible Tebow run offense that we have seen so far in the league (Jets would rather die with Sanchez then even try a Tebow offense). Orton, middle of the pack offense for a backup qb. Manning, at the top of the league. He is no Bill Walsh, but he allows the qb to display his talent no matter how different the talent is. Making sure the scheme gets out of the way of the players doesn't sound all that impressive until you remember that coaches like McDaniels also exist.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 02:08 PM
They were just talking him up on the Score (am670) I still think they would have been better off using that 2nd round pick on an OL than McCleelan(sp?) I think that kid is too small to play in the NFL.

you mean their first rounder the DE/LB from Boise St Shea Mcclellin? naw, his draft stock was red hot and the assumption was someone was going to take him top 17-20. he and Jeffery were the right picks they just were unfortunate to suffer multiple injuries in their rookie seasons. their first 3 picks ended up with major or multiple injuries this season while showing flashes.
all should be very nice players in the future.

the OL, the TE and the LB positions have to be overhauled though. they need improvement in those areas badly.

ScottXray
12-31-2012, 02:10 PM
Yes.

Only if I had chance to talk to Cutler first and to tell him that he does what I say
No questions asked. Take coaching and grow up , and by the way I will bring in a competent
Backup to push you.

Cutler could be great but his mental attitude screws everyone.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 02:17 PM
An internal hire like Gase would make the most sense. The last thing we want to do is change up the offensive terminology.

BroncoMan4ever
12-31-2012, 02:21 PM
Sadly, the Bears is a really good situation for Mccoy, he gets some good offensive talent in Marshall and Forte, he gets a good defense as well. I think it would be a solid position for him to take.

They have Marshall and Forte but no OL. That entire defense is ancient and in need of a rebuild. 10-6 is not indicitive of the actual lack of available talent there.

BroncoMan4ever
12-31-2012, 02:24 PM
An internal hire like Gase would make the most sense. The last thing we want to do is change up the offensive terminology.

Regardless of who is hired, nobody is going to drastically change the offense. It is the Peyton show and anyone hired will realize that.

maher_tyler
12-31-2012, 02:26 PM
Regardless of who is hired, nobody is going to drastically change the offense. It is the Peyton show and anyone hired will realize that.

Which is why an internal hire would make the most sence.

broncosteven
12-31-2012, 02:28 PM
you mean their first rounder the DE/LB from Boise St Shea Mcclellin? naw, his draft stock was red hot and the assumption was someone was going to take him top 17-20. he and Jeffery were the right picks they just were unfortunate to suffer multiple injuries in their rookie seasons. their first 3 picks ended up with major or multiple injuries this season while showing flashes.
all should be very nice players in the future.

the OL, the TE and the LB positions have to be overhauled though. they need improvement in those areas badly.

I got him and Jefferies switched. I have seen him play, he is a lot like the DE they drafted the same year as Doom was drafted, the dude bounced around to NE but I don't know if he is still in the league.

maher_tyler
12-31-2012, 02:32 PM
McCoy's offenses reflect the qb running them. Tebow, offense sucked and was insanely predictable but was the only thing approaching a feasible Tebow run offense that we have seen so far in the league (Jets would rather die with Sanchez then even try a Tebow offense). Orton, middle of the pack offense for a backup qb. Manning, at the top of the league. He is no Bill Walsh, but he allows the qb to display his talent no matter how different the talent is. Making sure the scheme gets out of the way of the players doesn't sound all that impressive until you remember that coaches like McDaniels also exist.

Good OC have rhythm/flow to their play calling. There have been times even this year where I'm like wtf. He's an average OC. Maybe he'll make a good HC. Who knows.

R8R H8R
12-31-2012, 02:33 PM
Regardless of who is hired, nobody is going to drastically change the offense. It is the Peyton show and anyone hired will realize that.

Which is why Adam Gase makes all the sense in the world.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 02:35 PM
They have Marshall and Forte but no OL. That entire defense is ancient and in need of a rebuild. 10-6 is not indicitive of the actual lack of available talent there.

Indeed. Phil Emery needs to hit some major home runs soon or that team is going to be a bottom-feeder within the next few seasons.

Action
12-31-2012, 02:51 PM
McCoy is gone.

Gase seems logical.

Tom Moore does too but he's old.

Ken Whisenhunt would be the most logical choice out of all the coaches that are fired.

Coached an old Kurt Warner to the Super Bowl and got great production from him. Also coached an offense with great WR's (Larry, Boldin, etc). Something we have here...

Let's also remember he was the Steelers OC when they beat us in 05 and won the SB... so he's used to running an offense with a heavy run game.

Also was obviously at the SB another time in 08, however that was based on a heavy pass game.

Ken is also highly regarded and admired amongst his peers.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 02:53 PM
I got him and Jefferies switched. I have seen him play, he is a lot like the DE they drafted the same year as Doom was drafted, the dude bounced around to NE but I don't know if he is still in the league.

you mean Mark Anderson, he's with the Bills now. signed a 4 year deal with them and produced 1 sack.

McCoy is gone.

Gase seems logical.

Tom Moore does too but he's old.

Ken Whisenhunt would be the most logical choice out of all the coaches that are fired.

Coached an old Kurt Warner to the Super Bowl and got great production from him. Also coached an offense with great WR's (Larry, Boldin, etc). Something we have here...

Let's also remember he was the Steelers OC when they beat us in 05 and won the SB... so he's used to running an offense with a heavy run game.

Also was obviously at the SB another time in 08, however that was based on a heavy pass game.

Ken is also highly regarded and admired amongst his peers.


no need to convince me. Wisenhunt is #1 and Shurmur #2 for me if McCoy leaves.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 02:55 PM
McCoy is gone.

Gase seems logical.

Tom Moore does too but he's old.

Ken Whisenhunt would be the most logical choice out of all the coaches that are fired.

Coached an old Kurt Warner to the Super Bowl and got great production from him. Also coached an offense with great WR's (Larry, Boldin, etc). Something we have here...

Let's also remember he was the Steelers OC when they beat us in 05 and won the SB... so he's used to running an offense with a heavy run game.

Also was obviously at the SB another time in 08, however that was based on a heavy pass game.

Ken is also highly regarded and admired amongst his peers.

I agree that Whisenhunt would be the most logical outside hire. But really, it doesn't seem necessary.

DENVERDUI55
12-31-2012, 02:55 PM
Jay Glazer ‏<s>@</s>JayGlazer (https://twitter.com/JayGlazer) The Bears have already asked for permission to interview Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy. He's a very, very hot name right now

Jhizz says mccoy is too dumb to be HC. Where has that guy been?

24champ
12-31-2012, 03:16 PM
you mean Mark Anderson, he's with the Bills now. signed a 4 year deal with them and produced 1 sack.




no need to convince me. Wisenhunt is #1 and Shurmur #2 for me if McCoy leaves.

Isn't Shurmur a West Coast offense type? That wouldn't fit in with Manning.

Action
12-31-2012, 03:17 PM
I think we need to give McCoy some credit.

Manning has finished the season with a 105.8 QB rating, the second best in the NFL and second best in his CAREER.

Manning has thrown for the 2nd most yards he has in his career.

His completion % is the second best he's had in his career.

His TDs are the 2nd most he's had in his career.

His ints are like 3rd lowest of his career.

QBR is highest of his career.

Hasn't had this high of a YPA for the past 6 years.

Really, this has been Manning's 2nd best season of his CAREER outside of that 49 TD season.

I mean the list goes on... this is all after manning came back from a career threatening neck injury.

People want to say McCoy doesn't deserve much credit but every single great OC has a great QB... and at the end of the day, it's about how you maximize your talent.

I think it's safe to say that McCoy maximized Peyton Manning thus far this season.

Action
12-31-2012, 03:20 PM
I agree that Whisenhunt would be the most logical outside hire. But really, it doesn't seem necessary.

Anything is necessary when you're trying to win championships.

Let's not forget, that Manning also went to AZ to interview when he was picking his teams...

R8R H8R
12-31-2012, 03:40 PM
Far be it for me though, but Chicago and SD would be well- advised to seriously consider Wisenhunt. He has shown what he can do with a real QB on the team. Remember that Warner was considered washed up when he completely flopped with the Giants.

Yet, a couple of years later, the Cards were a big-Ben drive away from winning the SB. In some ways, he reminds me of Fox; nothing fancy, just good football sense.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 03:45 PM
Anything is necessary when you're trying to win championships.

Let's not forget, that Manning also went to AZ to interview when he was picking his teams...

Anything is necessary when you're trying to win championships? That statement makes zero sense. Smart moves that have a meaningful impact on the team are necessary when you're trying to win championships. Hiring Whisenhunt doesn't strike me as a move that would have a meaningful impact.

Action
12-31-2012, 03:47 PM
Anything is necessary when your;re trying to win championships? That statement makes zero sense. Smart moves that have a meaningful impact on the team are necessary when you're trying to win championships. Hiring Whisenhunt doesn't strike me as a move that would have a meaningful impact.

Are you saying that Whisenhunt wouldn't be helpful?

Are you saying that it doesn't matter who the OC is?

And how doesn't that statement make sense?

Anything is necessary when you're trying to win championships.

What is confusing about that statement?

extralife
12-31-2012, 03:50 PM
Remember that Warner was considered washed up when he completely flopped with the Giants.

except that he didn't flop with the Giants. they had a winning record when he was benched to get Eli reps. he was getting killed behind the Oline, but that's who Kurt Warner was. he took sacks.

ZONA
12-31-2012, 03:50 PM
Moore or Gase.

EDIT: Ken Wisenhunt is on the top of my list. That dude is boss.

I said Wisenhunt a few weeks back when I had a feeling he wad done, along with Graves. We saw what he could do when he had a good QB (Warner). They went to the Superbowl and really should have won that game. He's a good OC. We could do much worse then bring him here.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 03:54 PM
Isn't Shurmur a West Coast offense type? That wouldn't fit in with Manning.

any OC coming in is going to blend his stuff with stuff that Manning likes. i'd just prefer it be a OC with play calling experience rather than breaking in a new guy to play calling(yes i know Manning will audible and etc, but the OC is crucial to success as well)

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 03:55 PM
Are you saying that Whisenhunt wouldn't be helpful?

Are you saying that it doesn't matter who the OC is?

And how doesn't that statement make sense?

Anything is necessary when you're trying to win championships.

What is confusing about that statement?

It's not confusing. It's stupid.

And yes, I tend to think it doesn't matter that much who the OC is. Not until Manning retires anyway. Not to say Whisenhunt wouldn't have a positive impact overall, I just don't think it would be that significant, especially if he's forced to adapt to the system we are running rather than running his own system. And if he is hired and installs his system I feel like it has the potential to disrupt the growing chemistry between Manning and his receivers.

To me Gase is the perfect choice while Whisenhunt seems like a big name hire that is ultimately unneeded.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 03:56 PM
except that he didn't flop with the Giants. they had a winning record when he was benched to get Eli reps. he was getting killed behind the Oline, but that's who Kurt Warner was. he took sacks.

I also remember him having hand injury problems that caused him to have turnover issues.

BroncoBeavis
12-31-2012, 03:56 PM
I didn't think Whizz would get canned. If he's on the market that late, it would be a solid pickup.

Action
12-31-2012, 04:02 PM
It's not confusing. It's stupid.

And yes, I tend to think it doesn't matter that much who the OC is. Not until Manning retires anyway. Not to say Whisenhunt wouldn't have a positive impact overall, I just don't think it would be that significant, especially if he's forced to adapt to the system we are running rather than running his own system. And if he is hired and installs his system I feel like it has the potential to disrupt the growing chemistry between Manning and his receivers.

To me Gase is the perfect choice while Whisenhunt seems like a big name hire that is ultimately unneeded.

So it's stupid to think that, anything is necessary when you're winning championships... sure buddy.

You've got to be kidding yourself if you don't think it matters who the OC is. Manning can only call some of the plays, however he's not responsible for for the running game.

Do you watch the games? He looks over to the sidelines after damn near every play.

Whisenhunt would obviously be asked to adapt to what is already here. He can do that.

This whole uneeded thing is truly what makes 0 sense, you're talking like a bum. EVERYTHING is needed, you need to be solid all around. You can't just plug in garbage because you think you already have something set. If Elway were to run the organization with your thinking, we'd be ****ed. Never would we have signed Koppen for example.

I think they'll hire the best man for the job whether it's Gase, Whisenhunt or whomever.

But let's be clear, no legitimate business owner is going to sit there with a short window on a QB like Manning and think to himself, I'm not going to put him in the best position to be successful.

The whole "uneeded" crap just sounds like bum talk. Take that **** to a trash team.

Butterscotch Stallion
12-31-2012, 04:40 PM
Can we send mccoy to the chargers? Maybe give them some money, or pay his salary? It would be like when belly sent mcd here.

2KBack
12-31-2012, 04:51 PM
It's not confusing. It's stupid.

And yes, I tend to think it doesn't matter that much who the OC is. Not until Manning retires anyway. Not to say Whisenhunt wouldn't have a positive impact overall, I just don't think it would be that significant, especially if he's forced to adapt to the system we are running rather than running his own system. And if he is hired and installs his system I feel like it has the potential to disrupt the growing chemistry between Manning and his receivers.

To me Gase is the perfect choice while Whisenhunt seems like a big name hire that is ultimately unneeded.

That same argument could have been used against the Del Rio hiring.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 04:53 PM
Can we send mccoy to the chargers? Maybe give them some money, or pay his salary? It would be like when belly sent mcd here.

heck, in that case then he did the same with Cleveland,NY Jets,Denver & KC.
every assistant, front office guy that has come from NE seems to not know what the **** he's doing once he leaves Belichick.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 05:04 PM
That same argument could have been used against the Del Rio hiring.

How so?

Lestat
12-31-2012, 05:10 PM
How so?

because Del Rio came in and installed his system and that could have disrupted the growing chemistry that defense had because of the significance of the change.

extralife
12-31-2012, 05:15 PM
because Del Rio came in and installed his system and that could have disrupted the growing chemistry that defense had because of the significance of the change.

did our defense have peyton manning? were we 13-3 last year?

2KBack
12-31-2012, 05:17 PM
How so?

Well, the only real difference is that there isn't a Peyton Manning on the Defense. That aside, it could have been argued at the time that We were better served with an internal hire for DC to continue the work that Dennis Allen started...especially with Von Miller. If I'm not mistaken, there was talk about promoting Richard Smith (LB coach) for that very reason. That argument is made for Gase now, on the offenseive side.

Wisenhunt could be the offensive JDR (not that I am endorsing him). I am quite confident that Peyton is happy to add more knowledge. While I am sure that any good OC would be thrilled to work with Manning. Any coach that gets AZ to a Superbowl has to be pretty damn good.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 05:23 PM
because Del Rio came in and installed his system and that could have disrupted the growing chemistry that defense had because of the significance of the change.

So you think last year's defense is comparable to this year's offense? Seriously?

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 05:24 PM
Well, the only real difference is that there isn't a Peyton Manning on the Defense. That aside, it could have been argued at the time that We were better served with an internal hire for DC to continue the work that Dennis Allen started...especially with Von Miller. If I'm not mistaken, there was talk about promoting Richard Smith (LB coach) for that very reason. That argument is made for Gase now, on the offenseive side.

Wisenhunt could be the offensive JDR (not that I am endorsing him). I am quite confident that Peyton is happy to add more knowledge. While I am sure that any good OC would be thrilled to work with Manning. Any coach that gets AZ to a Superbowl has to be pretty damn good.

The bolded part of your post is all that matters.

2KBack
12-31-2012, 05:31 PM
The bolded part of your post is all that matters.

Is it? I don't think it is. We can even pretend to know how much of the offense is Manning and how much is McCoy. IF you have the opportunity to add another good football mind, and you need to replace a coach, you add that mind. If the offense is all Manning, then no harm done, if McCoy does have a heavy hand in the success then he is being respectably replaced. Lets not forget that we don't really know how many seasons we are going to have Manning, and it would be good to have a good/great OC for Brock (of course the Whizzer hasn't been exactly satisfactory in developing QB's in AZ).

Lestat
12-31-2012, 05:35 PM
So you think last year's defense is comparable to this year's offense? Seriously?

no i don't, but you can make arguments for that point if you compare and contrast the potential for disruption based upon a outside hire vs promoting from within.

DENVERDUI55
12-31-2012, 05:35 PM
Can we send mccoy to the chargers? Maybe give them some money, or pay his salary? It would be like when belly sent mcd here.

How do you know what kind of HC he will be?

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 05:38 PM
Is it? I don't think it is. We can even pretend to know how much of the offense is Manning and how much is McCoy. IF you have the opportunity to add another good football mind, and you need to replace a coach, you add that mind. If the offense is all Manning, then no harm done, if McCoy does have a heavy hand in the success then he is being respectably replaced. Lets not forget that we don't really know how many seasons we are going to have Manning, and it would be good to have a good/great OC for Brock (of course the Whizzer hasn't been exactly satisfactory in developing QB's in AZ).

None of that has anything to do with the statement that the same argument I used against hiring Whisenhunt could've been used against hiring Del Rio. That statement was laughable as our defense was soundly mediocre last year and needed improved coaching while our offense is presently lead by Manning and likely only needs continuity to further improve.

That said I'm not adamantly opposed to the hiring of Whisenhunt. Not even close. If he can integrate smoothly and quickly he could certainly be an asset. I just don't see it being a move that is going to really improve the team in any meaningful way.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 05:40 PM
no i don't, but you can make arguments for that point if you compare and contrast the potential for disruption based upon a outside hire vs promoting from within.

Our defense wasn't very good last year, especially whenever they faced great QB's. It needed a serious coaching boost. There is no way you can make the comparison you are making without looking stupid. Sorry.

winstoncup bronco
12-31-2012, 05:41 PM
That said I'm not adamantly opposed to the hiring of Whisenhunt. Not even close. If he can integrate smoothly and quickly he could certainly be an asset. I just don't see it being a move that is going to really improve the team in any meaningful way.

Well, we saw what Haley did to Roethlisberger this year. Hiring a big name isn't always the best idea. It's gotta be right, not just flashy.

2KBack
12-31-2012, 05:49 PM
None of that has anything to do with the statement that the same argument I used against hiring Whisenhunt could've been used against hiring Del Rio. That statement was laughable as our defense was soundly mediocre last year and needed improved coaching while our offense is presently lead by Manning and likely only needs continuity to further improve.

That said I'm not adamantly opposed to the hiring of Whisenhunt. Not even close. If he can integrate smoothly and quickly he could certainly be an asset. I just don't see it being a move that is going to really improve the team in any meaningful way.

I have to disagree on the defense last season...not as good as this year for sure, but I still consider the D as the reason we made the playoffs at all. Denver led the league in 3 and outs, average less than 20 points per game and was -12 in turnovers. That puts the D in tough positions. It was light years better than the previous season. There's a reason Dennis Allen got a HC job, and it's not just the stupidity of the raiders.

So essentially wanting an internal hire on the offense is the same argument for hiring Richard smith to keep the Defensive evolution going. While the other side is hoping to take the opportunity to take another step forward since we have the replace the coach anyway.

If you ain't getting better, you're getting worse.

BroncoMan4ever
12-31-2012, 06:10 PM
Which is why an internal hire would make the most sence.

Or Tom Moore.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 06:13 PM
Our defense wasn't very good last year, especially whenever they faced great QB's. It needed a serious coaching boost. There is no way you can make the comparison you are making without looking stupid. Sorry.

our defense went from pure **** to respectable in one season with Allen.
we gave up yards and big plays by design to get sacks and force turnovers.
that's what every cover 2 bend but don't break defense does unless you have elite players that can take the bend out of it.

we had a elite player in his rookie year, so so players at DT, the LB and DB depth was a complete joke.
we have gotten more experience and brought in much more talent.

continuity and chemistry is key. but so is hiring the best person for the job.
saying we shouldn't disrupt Manning and the offense by bring in a outside source because it is improving and doesn't need messing with aside from upgrading talent in certain area is the same as saying we shouldn't have hired Del Rio because the defense was a certain way and improving.

we jumped from 25th to #4 in offense, but fell from #1 in rushing to #16.

under Allen we went from being ranked 32nd in total defense,25th in passing,31st in rushing,32nd in scoring and a -9 in turnover differential which placed us 27th. to 20th in total defense,18th in passing, 22 in rushing,24th in scoring and a -12 in turnover differential which placed us 26th.

we improved even further under Del Rio, but if you use the argument that you're making about the OC for Manning for the defense then we shouldn't have hired Del Rio since it could have disrupted the uptrend of the defense.

Lestat
12-31-2012, 06:16 PM
Well, we saw what Haley did to Roethlisberger this year. Hiring a big name isn't always the best idea. It's gotta be right, not just flashy.

yeah but Haley was known as a prickly SOB whom clashed with players.
but he still fits with what the Steelers offense wants to do, they just couldn't due to the piss poor OL and Mendenhall not being 100%
Ben's issue was that he never got over Arians being ousted.

eddie mac
12-31-2012, 06:49 PM
Maybe I'm one of the few on here but I dont think JDR gets much consideration for a HC position this year. Team's have short memories and his 23-36 record over his last 4 seasons in Jacksonville will still be fresh even after a great season as DC in Denver.

UberBroncoMan
12-31-2012, 08:21 PM
Maybe I'm one of the few on here but I dont think JDR gets much consideration for a HC position this year. Team's have short memories and his 23-36 record over his last 4 seasons in Jacksonville will still be fresh even after a great season as DC in Denver.

I'd be down for him taking a 4 year break kinda like Mike Nolan.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 11:10 PM
I have to disagree on the defense last season...not as good as this year for sure, but I still consider the D as the reason we made the playoffs at all. Denver led the league in 3 and outs, average less than 20 points per game and was -12 in turnovers. That puts the D in tough positions. It was light years better than the previous season. There's a reason Dennis Allen got a HC job, and it's not just the stupidity of the raiders.

So essentially wanting an internal hire on the offense is the same argument for hiring Richard smith to keep the Defensive evolution going. While the other side is hoping to take the opportunity to take another step forward since we have the replace the coach anyway.

If you ain't getting better, you're getting worse.

The bolded part made me laugh. That's exactly why he got the job actually.

And you're honestly living in a dream world when it comes to your assessment of last year's defense. They gave up roughly 24 points per game last season and surrendered over 40 points on five separate occasions. The fact is that their overall improvement from the year before was almost entirely due to the arrival of Von Miller and the return of Dumervil. Sorry, but it's true.

ZONA
01-01-2013, 12:41 AM
I love how this defense has come along but you can't simply just say it's all been JDR. I know in another thread I made the comment that I saw an interview with Von Miller and he was asked just how different the defense was under JDR vs Allen. Miller said the defense was not that different at all, but had better players and that JDR just made them believe how special they could be. I think it's probably a 65/35 thing. 65% improved because of better players and 35% better DC. Some of our young guys have made leaps and bounds this year (Harris, Miller, Trev, Carter, Moore). Part of that is better coaching but also because of more playing time. Woodyard is probably the highlight of this. He's always been the backkup and with the chance to start, has not looked back. I also think this defense has an influence from Fox as well. Don't forget he's a defensive HC. He learned behind Dick LeBeau as the Steelers secondary coach. And least not, it really helps that our "once in a decade" player is now in his 2nd year and becoming the best defensive player in the league, one that can change the game.

NFLBRONCO
01-01-2013, 12:57 AM
I hope JDR stays a few years.

I think the only differences between this years and last years D.

1. More NFL exp gained
2. Manning 30 pts a game vs 14 for Tebow. I know Tebow is god to alot of people but, imo D played tight last year because they felt the burden of carrying the team. This year they can play loose because they know O can score and it shows.

3. JDR is a better better DC vs Allen sorry.

Guess Who
01-05-2014, 06:10 PM
I'm sorry, I just don't get the McCoy thing.

Everyone complained our offense sucked last year, but think McCoy did this masterful job. We were 23rd in yards, 25th in points. Wow.

And now people are giving him all the credit for Manning's season? Like Manning never had great seasons before?

I won't lose a wink of sleep if some team just jumps on a popular name.

Do you Understand now?

Lestat
01-05-2014, 06:18 PM
He and Wisenhunt have done wonders for Rivers. Dude was falling into the 2nd tier of QB's very fast.