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RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 04:53 PM
Shanny Bowl!

So on Fox it was so funny to see them advertising for next week and show Lynch, Peterson, Rodgers and Romo. Yes, show all the clinched spots and pencil the cowboys in already.

I have not been watching but I heard NBC pregame = cowboys pregame show.

Let's do this.

extralife
12-30-2012, 04:57 PM
Get 'er done team Shanny!

bap454
12-30-2012, 04:59 PM
Playoff implications?

chawknz
12-30-2012, 05:03 PM
Whoever wins gets in.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 05:06 PM
Whoever wins gets in the playoffs.

hmmm...

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:08 PM
Come on Shanny...complete this historic comeback. I know you will get it done, unless the league wants its Cowboys in the postseason. You may have to defeat 2 opponents tonight but I totally believe you will overcome that adversity.

Lets Go Redskins! Bring home that division title.

maven
12-30-2012, 05:15 PM
pretty cool whoever wins tonight makes the playoffs. go!!!!! i guess i dunno

Boogerboots
12-30-2012, 05:19 PM
Skins win Bears are done...right?

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:19 PM
Lol...I almost can't breathe right now.

Lestat
12-30-2012, 05:20 PM
this is like a play in game in baseball, win or go home baby!

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 05:20 PM
Skins win Bears are done...right?

Bears already done by Minny W

Oh look, Tony Dungy has been converted by Rodney Harrison to go with Romo and the cowboys tonight.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:22 PM
Dallas needs to get utterly humiliated. Humiliate them,

Lestat
12-30-2012, 05:22 PM
Skins win Bears are done...right?

Bears were done when Vikings won. they needed them to lose and they were in.

TDmvp
12-30-2012, 05:23 PM
Someone so needs to just make me a loop of Faith Hill walking ... Cause I could watch that all day.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:30 PM
Come on boys

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 05:33 PM
I don't like this. They look nervous.

TDmvp
12-30-2012, 05:34 PM
Come on boys

Wait what ... totally thought you was want Shanny in.

But I know what you mean I think , Only way that great American Jay Cutler makes the playoffs is if Shanny loses.

Sorta torn , but I so hate the Cowboys , so I guess go Shanny !

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:37 PM
Wait what ... totally thought you was want Shanny in.

But I know what you mean I think , Only way that great American Jay Cutler makes the playoffs is if Shanny loses.

Sorta torn , but I so hate the Cowboys , so I guess go Shanny !

I'm rooting for Washington dude.

maven
12-30-2012, 05:37 PM
since i have fam who are cowboy fans id be nice to see them get into the playoffs. skins? i dont have any connections so i guess **** them

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:37 PM
Yes....INT. awesome. Now do something with the ball.

TDmvp
12-30-2012, 05:39 PM
I'm rooting for Washington dude.

Hehehe Ok , I thought you normally did , but when yous said come on "boys" you "corn fused" me heheh.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 05:41 PM
nice throw tebow errrr romo

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 05:42 PM
Glory be to Shanny in the highest

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:43 PM
RG 3 still doesn't look close to 100 percent.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 05:43 PM
Glory be to Shanny in the highest

amen!

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:44 PM
Glory be to Shanny in the highest

Amen Brother Rev.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 05:45 PM
great call on 3rd down!

signed,

john fox

:cuss:

and doink

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:46 PM
Thanks for jinxing him Al Michaels you ****ing jerk

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 05:47 PM
Thanks for jinxing him Al Michaels you ****ing jerk

no doubt!

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 05:47 PM
Man Forbath missing a FG too. Don't like the feel at all of this game.

Romo saved the skins with a bonehead play early

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 05:47 PM
Romowned

... Did I just coin that?

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 05:49 PM
Skins, calm the **** down. Play your game.

go_broncos
12-30-2012, 05:50 PM
I don't trust Shanny coached teams in these games..

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:51 PM
Hold onto that Hall you piece of ****

MortonToMoses
12-30-2012, 05:51 PM
Which owner is worse? I'm really conflicted here.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:52 PM
That's your fault Hall it never would have gotten to that point if had held on to that pick. Worthless piece of crap

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 05:53 PM
nice throw Tebow errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Romo!

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:53 PM
Josh Wilson...nice. Romo is going Vinny Testaverde tonight.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 05:59 PM
RG3 can't move...this sucks.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 06:04 PM
RG3 can't move...this sucks.

Yeah I expected better mobility this week.

If they knew this, they should have hid it more now dallas knows he is limited.

He is still good enough to win this game with his arm, but Jesus they are nervous and ruining prime chances to score on Romo mistakes. Could come back to bite them.

spiralism
12-30-2012, 06:05 PM
Redskins have had a lot go their way so far and aren't taking advantage. Could really come back to bite them

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 06:07 PM
I don't trust Shanny coached teams in these games..

I can't take it anymore. Just wish for once he would find a way in these types of games.

It's like all that attack mojo gives way to tentative play

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:08 PM
Yeah I expected better mobility this week.

If they knew this, they should have hid it more now dallas knows he is limited.

He is still good enough to win this game with his arm, but Jesus they are nervous and ruining prime chances to score on Romo mistakes. Could come back to bite them.

They'll be fine. Just keep ground game going and work PA pass.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 06:12 PM
They'll be fine. Just keep ground game going and work PA pass.

I hope you are 100% right. My heart can't take this ****.

We all know what will happen if they lose.

"ROMO THE GREAT"

and

"See, RGIII is only a running QB. Dallas exploited him and the league has him figured out!"

spiralism
12-30-2012, 06:12 PM
Knew Shanny would struggle in this situation, last time he coached in a scenario like this i still do not speak of

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:14 PM
I hope you are 100% right. My heart can't take this ****.

We all know what will happen if they lose.

"ROMO THE GREAT"

and

"See, RGIII is only a running QB. Dallas exploited him and the league has him figured out!"

It's gonna be fine dude. They just need to hold Dallas to 3 here. Offense is doing okay..they just need points. Dallas fans can say whatever they want. Romo will crumble in the clutch

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:18 PM
He didn't get that off...challenge it

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:18 PM
Challenge it that's a ****ing fraud

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 06:19 PM
Unreal. So ****ing blatant with that delay of game.

MortonToMoses
12-30-2012, 06:19 PM
That was at least one full second. Friggin' Dallas

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 06:20 PM
Yeah Collinsworth and Michaels you ****ing cowboys fanboys, keep coming up with ****ing BS explanations.

spiralism
12-30-2012, 06:22 PM
That's a Dallas call. Total horse****

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:22 PM
The officials need to be reminded that if there aren't going to be at least a half dozen make up calls ****ing bricks are going to go their homes windows tonight. You ****ing pieces of ****. That's 7 illegitimate points. Stupid ****ing official...you want ****ing blowback...you're about to get it. Another call like that and a ****ing battery better get thrown at your worthless head.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:22 PM
The officials need to be reminded that if there aren't going to be at least a half dozen make up calls ****ing bricks are going to go their homes windows tonight. You ****ing pieces of ****. That's 7 illegitimate points. Stupid ****ing official...you want ****ing blowback...you're about to get it. Another call like that and a ****ing battery better get thrown at your worthless head.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 06:23 PM
the redskins d looked terrible on that drive

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 06:24 PM
Challenge it that's a ****ing fraud

Can't. Scoring play shouldve been automatically reviewed

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:24 PM
You want a ****ing battery to your head? Is that what you want? You're begging for it jerks. You're gonna pay for that bitch. Garbage official.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 06:26 PM
morris is fun to watch

razorwire77
12-30-2012, 06:26 PM
It's fun to watch that Morris kid run the Shanny stretchs.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:26 PM
****ing score for once. No more dicking around.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:28 PM
No field goals. A field goal doesn't do dick. Score.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 06:28 PM
kick ass! :militia:

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 06:28 PM
Alfred Morris is the ****

MortonToMoses
12-30-2012, 06:29 PM
Great blocking!

TDmvp
12-30-2012, 06:29 PM
Love Shanny's running scheme .

broncocalijohn
12-30-2012, 06:30 PM
Without watching the game, I get the tone that SoCal's other team is losing and the refs suck. SoCal is also a battery chucker or would like to see DC fans become one.

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 06:30 PM
Wow, Morris would look good in a Broncos' uni...... or maybe not, he is a Shanny RB after all.

lostknight
12-30-2012, 06:31 PM
Wow, that was a very Broncos last year scoring drive by Mr. RG III.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:32 PM
Without watching the game, I get the tone that SoCal's other team is losing and the refs suck. SoCal is also a battery chucker or would like to see DC fans become one.

I would love to see them throw it at the officials. This game is a big deal. That was a huge **** up. Washington should be ahead 10-3. Officials need to be put in their ****ing place. I hope pain is something they enjoy.

Jetland
12-30-2012, 06:34 PM
Without watching the game, I get the tone that SoCal's other team is losing and the refs suck. SoCal is also a battery chucker or would like to see DC fans become one.

He has lost Cutty all ready so he is extra touchy

broncocalijohn
12-30-2012, 06:37 PM
I would love to see them throw it at the officials. This game is a big deal. That was a huge **** up. Washington should be ahead 10-3. Officials need to be put in their ****ing place. I hope pain is something they enjoy.

Why am I getting this picture in my mind for you if the Redskins don't win this game:

:garcia:

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 06:40 PM
Why am I getting this picture in my mind for you if the Redskins don't win this game:

:garcia:

who wants to see the cowboys in the playoffs?

HAT
12-30-2012, 06:40 PM
Anyone seen Atlas lately?LOL

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:40 PM
Why am I getting this picture in my mind for you if the Redskins don't win this game:

:garcia:

I can barely see straight...so yeah if they lose especially in a close game where those 4 points are the difference I'm going to really fume. I'm waiting for the make up call....otherwise I want to see human suffering.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:42 PM
Tie game. Garbage. You ****ing thiefs.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 06:48 PM
Man, skins don't look sharp.

I hope they step it up because this won't cut it. Great answer on that drive and NEEDED BADLY.

Good news is they started to get some shots on Romo, they will need that in the 2nd half.

Collinsworth sucking cowboy dick with the "garett must be thrilled not to be coming from behind, cowboys are a great 2nd half team!" Or is it YOU that is thrilled, you piece of ****.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 06:50 PM
Agreed. Collinswoth is asking for a dick punching.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:00 PM
Holding....wtf

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 07:03 PM
How was that not grounding?!

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:06 PM
It's like I said rev...Washington will have to beat 2 opponents. They will have to overcome alot to win this game.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:06 PM
**** you Garcon

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 07:07 PM
Wow. Garçon better make up for that one

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 07:07 PM
How was that not grounding?!

just got outside the pocket

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:10 PM
3rd down get off the ****ing field

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:11 PM
Good job D. Offense get it going come on now

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 07:12 PM
Nice hands Mike

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:15 PM
Alfred is gonna need another 100 yards.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 07:19 PM
where is the horsecollerr????

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 07:20 PM
That cut back by Morris was typical zone blocking.... wow I miss that type of running game

razorwire77
12-30-2012, 07:21 PM
refs are sort of ****ing the skins. That was a pretty clear horse-collar they just missed.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:23 PM
First and goal....punch it in baby.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:24 PM
Touchdown skins. Yes. **** you refs....you can't steal this.

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 07:24 PM
**** YEAH!!!!!!!!!

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 07:25 PM
Ware owned by play design for the score

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 07:27 PM
kick ass

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:27 PM
Ah come on fletch

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 07:28 PM
another ignored holding call

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 07:29 PM
Blatant push off by Witten

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 07:30 PM
this is the first skins game all year I have watched... it has been fun!! I'll watch them in the playoffs as well.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 07:30 PM
no penalties have been called in this game.....lmao

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:32 PM
There was a missed hold on that sweep earlier.

tesnyde
12-30-2012, 07:32 PM
A Cowboy fan friend sent this to me.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:33 PM
Stiffen up defense.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:35 PM
They didn't get that off on time either.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:36 PM
Get a TD make it a two score game. Lets go.

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 07:36 PM
kick ass

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LUbspKPMw-Q/TTHqxTZQYyI/AAAAAAAADdk/t0Qfh2ueZ_8/s1600/kick-ass-movie-poster-2010-04.jpg

DENVERDUI55
12-30-2012, 07:37 PM
That cut back by Morris was typical zone blocking.... wow I miss that type of running game

I sure don't it get pwned by real defenses.

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 07:37 PM
A Cowboy fan friend sent this to me.

pretty cool, but look at Griffin's name

Requiem
12-30-2012, 07:41 PM
Redskins OL needs to get their **** together.

tesnyde
12-30-2012, 07:42 PM
pretty cool, but look at Griffin's name

I know. I wrote back to the clown boy romosexual fan who sent it to me and asked who was #01 for the skins. Anyways, it's pretty cool, though I would like the two pugilists positions switched.

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 07:43 PM
Lol Claiborne

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:43 PM
TD Morris....beautiful cutback.

Requiem
12-30-2012, 07:43 PM
Alfred Morris is a ****in' boss.

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 07:43 PM
Touchdown! Shanahan headed home to the playoffs where he belongs

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 07:44 PM
wow too ****ing easy!!!! Is this the old Broncos running game?

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:44 PM
21-10 good guys. Get a 3 and out defense.

tesnyde
12-30-2012, 07:45 PM
wow too ****ing easy!!!! Is this the old Broncos running game?

Deja vu....

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 07:45 PM
that run gave me a CP flashback!

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:48 PM
Come on defense

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 07:49 PM
**** that cowboy bitch!!

DENVERDUI55
12-30-2012, 07:49 PM
Touchdown! Shanahan headed home to the playoffs where he belongs and one extra game on the year

Finished your sentence.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:50 PM
Fletcher..awesome.

frerottenextelway
12-30-2012, 07:50 PM
Fun watching when teams blitz like this. Congrats Shanny!

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 07:50 PM
sack that bitch

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:51 PM
Run the ball and kill the clock.

Requiem
12-30-2012, 07:51 PM
Old Man Fletcher making his case for the Hall of Fame.

Requiem
12-30-2012, 07:53 PM
Of course London Fletcher is going to the Hall of Fame.

London Felcher!

Requiem
12-30-2012, 07:53 PM
Dez Bryant TKO.

spiralism
12-30-2012, 07:53 PM
Morris reminds me of TD....such an exciting player

tesnyde
12-30-2012, 07:54 PM
Old Man Fletcher making his case for the Hall of Fame.

I swear, ever time I tune into a Skins game this year, dude is making plays.

spiralism
12-30-2012, 07:56 PM
Dez going down could be critical

Requiem
12-30-2012, 07:57 PM
I swear, ever time I tune into a Skins game this year, dude is making plays.

Story of his entire career.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 07:57 PM
That false start gave Dallas life

Butterscotch Stallion
12-30-2012, 07:57 PM
This reminds me of the good old days! So who do the redskins lose 41 -12 to next week?

maher_tyler
12-30-2012, 07:58 PM
Morris reminds me of TD....such an exciting player

TD had more speed and agility. Those toss plays they're running remind me of the ones TD used to get...

Requiem
12-30-2012, 07:59 PM
Are you kidding me?

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 08:01 PM
This game is stressful

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 08:02 PM
****...two pointer is good :cuss:

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:02 PM
Push off?

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:02 PM
Push off?

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:04 PM
Need 7 not 3

DENVERDUI55
12-30-2012, 08:07 PM
This is going to be a classic Shanny loss. Maybe I should say Classic Romo loss.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:08 PM
This is going to be a classic Shanny loss.

Officials have stolen 4 from him....so it wouldn't be regardless

frerottenextelway
12-30-2012, 08:09 PM
Romo bwhahahahha

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 08:09 PM
Shanahan defenses coming up huge in big spots as usual

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:10 PM
Rob Jackson.....now get a TD to close this out.

troyjbath
12-30-2012, 08:10 PM
Lol, Romo picks the best times to f*** up. He air mailed that ball.

spiralism
12-30-2012, 08:10 PM
...aaaand Tony Romo does it again. I think he's really unfairly criticised half the time but that was diabolical.

Seeing him on the sideline looking like that is a bit soul crushing though

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:11 PM
Shanahan defenses coming up huge in big spots as usual

Haha...nice.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 08:11 PM
...aaaand Tony Romo does it again.

LOLLOLLOL

Pendejo
12-30-2012, 08:11 PM
Does Romo ever not piss down his leg in crunch time?

Pendejo
12-30-2012, 08:12 PM
Shanahan defenses coming up huge in big spots as usual

A typical Tanahan team. Backing in to the playoffs.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:13 PM
I don't like this....a field goal is not good. Need a first Dow

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:14 PM
Ahahahaha...game over. Shanny wins.

frerottenextelway
12-30-2012, 08:14 PM
Redskins get all the calls! /kidding

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 08:15 PM
blow to the head!

Butterscotch Stallion
12-30-2012, 08:15 PM
Romo is the Orton of the NFC. A loser.

spiralism
12-30-2012, 08:15 PM
Late hit. Typical. Dallas.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:15 PM
Its about ****ing time...after they raped the skins all night.

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 08:16 PM
it was a blow to the head...... still tough break for cowboys

tesnyde
12-30-2012, 08:16 PM
I wish they wouldn't show either of these teams' owners. I keep getting dry heaves. He'll, they give maggots dry heaves.

troyjbath
12-30-2012, 08:17 PM
Does Romo ever not piss down his leg in crunch time?

I think he's 1-6 now in win or go home games.

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 08:18 PM
A typical Tanahan team. Backing in to the playoffs.

HAHAHA... does Pendejo mean Lonestar... or loser?

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 08:20 PM
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_3ZJuj_RcIcI/RxO7yYjXZbI/AAAAAAAAAe8/it_6kaTDTIQ/s320/jj.jpg

tesnyde
12-30-2012, 08:21 PM
Great....they have to bring up the 96 jag wads.

tesnyde
12-30-2012, 08:21 PM
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/_3ZJuj_RcIcI/RxO7yYjXZbI/AAAAAAAAAe8/it_6kaTDTIQ/s320/jj.jpg

Nice.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:22 PM
He is clearly in. TD

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:23 PM
Fight songs in professional football is so totally lame.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:23 PM
Skins win 7 in a row. Division champs. Shannys greatness is confirmed,

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:25 PM
Hey RedskinBronco where did you go dude? You can breathe easy now. I told you it would be alright. Congrats...division title and home playoff game...and ripping the heart out from your rival.

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:25 PM
Skins win 7 in a row. Division champs. Shannys greatness is confirmed,

By getting into playoffs? Not that it needed confirming but that isn't what his barometer used to be. Why is the standard lower now?

Pendejo
12-30-2012, 08:25 PM
Skins win 7 in a row. Division champs. Shannys greatness is confirmed,

I think earlier they said the Redskins hadn't won the division since '99.

He's got his franchise quarterback...he'll just add pieces from here on out. He'll have Washington in the conversation EVERY year just like he did in Denver.

He'll be a no doubt hall of famer.

bowtown
12-30-2012, 08:26 PM
Skins win 7 in a row. Division champs. Shannys greatness is confirmed,

Settle down, it was the Cowboys.




I'm also very happy for Shanahan. Hope he wins a couple in the playoffs.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 08:26 PM
Skins win 7 in a row. Division champs. Shannys greatness is confirmed,

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/user_pics/622-1223164587.gif

Broncobiv
12-30-2012, 08:27 PM
Fight songs in professional football is so totally lame.

How about their marching band?? ROFL!

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:27 PM
By getting into playoffs? Not that it needed confirming but that isn't what his barometer used to be. Why is the standard lower now?

Because he is in year 3 of a total rebuild and won the division.....and made the big gamble on greatness to go get a franchise QB. He did all this without his top TENor best defender. Give him some props dude.

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:28 PM
How about their marching band?? ROFL!

That too. My post was going to be about the marching band in Washington and Baltimore. Then they let the fight song breath and it totally trumped the band.

TheReverend
12-30-2012, 08:29 PM
By getting into playoffs? Not that it needed confirming but that isn't what his barometer used to be. Why is the standard lower now?

Not getting a team into the playoffs. Getting THIS team into playoffs.

Greatness: Confirmed.

bowtown
12-30-2012, 08:29 PM
Because he is in year 3 of a total rebuild and won the division.....and made the big gamble on greatness to go get a franchise QB. He did all this without his top TENor best defender. Give him some props dude.

What I think is the most impressive is that a Shanahan team has come on strong in the END of the season. Dude has turned over a new leaf.

frerottenextelway
12-30-2012, 08:29 PM
Because he is in year 3 of a total rebuild and won the division.....and made the big gamble on greatness to go get a franchise QB. He did all this without his top TENor best defender. Give him some props dude.

First playoff team since 1943 with a rookie QB and rookie HB. Not too shabby

colonelbeef
12-30-2012, 08:30 PM
This is going to be a classic Shanny loss. Maybe I should say Classic Romo loss.

more stupidity from Shanahan doubters.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:30 PM
Congrats RedskinBronco....I know we went at it but I am happy for you. All I wanted was just for you to show shanny some appreciation that's all. You can breathe easy now. Division title and a very bright future for your team.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:30 PM
Congrats RedskinBronco....I know we went at it but I am happy for you. All I wanted was just for you to show shanny some appreciation that's all. You can breathe easy now. Division title and a very bright future for your team.

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:33 PM
Because he is in year 3 of a total rebuild and won the division.....and made the big gamble on greatness to go get a franchise QB. He did all this without his top TENor best defender. Give him some props dude.

Well I said, "not that it needed confirming....", as in I already ink he is great. All the kudos goes to him, but in Denver it was about Superbowls and should be the same in Washington.

By the way Denver is also fresh into a total rebuild and Elway has them at 13-3, the #1 seed, and one of the favorites to win it all. Shanty needs to step his game up! :angel:

Seriously though, congrats Shanny and Little Shanny. Great win and run.

colonelbeef
12-30-2012, 08:33 PM
Because he is in year 3 of a total rebuild and won the division.....and made the big gamble on greatness to go get a franchise QB. He did all this without his top TENor best defender. Give him some props dude.

qf the absolute t

Mike Shanahan, HOF coach, has successfully rebuilt a perennial loser in less than 3 years in one of the toughest divisions in football.

All with a massive cap penalty and terrible injuries to the defense, incredible job

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 08:34 PM
Congrats RedskinBronco....I know we went at it but I am happy for you. All I wanted was just for you to show shanny some appreciation that's all. You can breathe easy now. Division title and a very bright future for your team.

Thanks Dude. Give me a hug.

Shanny deserves big time credit for this turnaround. Especially the offense is insane with his new Elway/TD type combination (not saying they are as good...yet).

**** YEAH!!!!!!!

I feel bad for Romo but he just sucks at reading defenses playing with deception. They got him pretty good on that Rob Jackson interception.

Let's have another Denver/WSH super bowl ;)

Action
12-30-2012, 08:34 PM
Congrats Redskins for winning a close game.

Seahawks will stomp that ass though.

Kaylore
12-30-2012, 08:35 PM
Really happy for Shanny and the Redskins. RGIII is a stud. They took a MASH unit into the middle of the season and somehow pulled out a division title. Well done.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 08:35 PM
I would rather face the seahawks than the 49ers. Different team on the road.

I have full confidence skins will be fine, but we will see what happens.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:36 PM
I think shanny is going to take advantage of the poor QB draft and flip cousins for a high pick or picks to replenish what he traded in part. They are set for the future.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:37 PM
Thanks Dude. Give me a hug.

Shanny deserves big time credit for this turnaround. Especially the offense is insane with his new Elway/TD type combination (not saying they are as good...yet).

**** YEAH!!!!!!!

I feel bad for Romo but he just sucks at reading defenses playing with deception. They got him pretty good on that Rob Jackson interception.

Let's have another Denver/WSH super bowl ;)

:strong::thumbsup:

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 08:37 PM
Haslett called a great game man. he had barely any guys left

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:37 PM
I loved Haslett's gameplan. Romo crumbles under pressure and chokes into turnovers.

Action
12-30-2012, 08:38 PM
I think shanny is going to take advantage of the poor QB draft and flip cousins for a high pick or picks to replenish what he traded in part. They are set for the future.

No one is giving up 2 first round picks for Kirk Cousins.

Hamrob
12-30-2012, 08:40 PM
RGIII just said the secret to Alfred Morris...is:

Bobby Turner!!!!!

Damn, I wish we could have kept that man in Denver!!!

The Joker
12-30-2012, 08:40 PM
Great day of football.

Denver takes the number one seed, Baby Jay sees his season come to an end and then to top it off Shanahan takes the Redskins to a divisional title and the playoffs. Redskins played some pretty damn good defense out there today too, says a lot that RG3 had a bad day and they were still able to win.

Pity the Pats got a bye and that Peterson came up just shy of the record, but all in all a good day. :)

Action
12-30-2012, 08:40 PM
RGIII just said the secret to Alfred Morris...is:

Bobby Turner!!!!!

Damn, I wish we could have kept that man in Denver!!!

He got promoted, we tried to.

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 08:41 PM
No one is giving up 2 first round picks for Kirk Cousins.

who said two first round picks?

Action
12-30-2012, 08:42 PM
who said two first round picks?

He said that Redskins will flip Kirk to make up what they lost for RG3...

They completely lost the 2012 2nd and 2013, 2014 firsts

bowtown
12-30-2012, 08:43 PM
He got promoted, we tried to.

Let's be honest, Bobby Turner couldn't wait to get the **** out of McDaniel's dodge.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:43 PM
No one is giving up 2 first round picks for Kirk Cousins.

I don't think they will get that much back....but it's conceivable they could get a low first or at least a second. This class for QB is very weak.....he only needs to find one desperate suitor.

Action
12-30-2012, 08:45 PM
Let's be honest, Bobby Turner couldn't wait to get the **** out of McDaniel's dodge.

You know Bobby Turner personally or something?

Butterscotch Stallion
12-30-2012, 08:46 PM
Now shanny finally has a good qb! It's been 13 years!

Action
12-30-2012, 08:46 PM
I don't think they will get that much back....but it's conceivable they could get a low first or at least a second. This class for QB is very weak.....he only needs to find one desperate suitor.

Possibly a high 2nd but there's no one with a low 1st that needs a QB...

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:46 PM
Let's be honest, Bobby Turner couldn't wait to get the **** out of McDaniel's dodge.

I agree, getting away from the immaturity was probably a greater influence.

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:46 PM
You know Bobby Turner personally or something?

Do you?

bronco militia
12-30-2012, 08:47 PM
He said that Redskins will flip Kirk to make up what they lost for RG3...

They completely lost the 2012 2nd and 2013, 2014 firsts

he never said two first rounders

two #2's is a good start...see matt schaub

Action
12-30-2012, 08:50 PM
he never said two first rounders

two #2's is a good start...see matt schaub

That's for a QB that had 3 years of experience and proven himself amongst the coaching staff.

Kirk is still a rookie, but I wouldn't put it past a team trading two 2nds.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 08:50 PM
one more thing...








**** YOU MARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and **** your giants you dirty POS.

DENVERDUI55
12-30-2012, 08:50 PM
I think shanny is going to take advantage of the poor QB draft and flip cousins for a high pick or picks to replenish what he traded in part. They are set for the future.

He is gonna need a good backup QB for RG3 because he will miss a few games a year the way he uses him.

Action
12-30-2012, 08:50 PM
Do you?

I do not, but that's not relevant to anything I've said.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 08:51 PM
Kirk Cousins right now would get a 2nd in return.

The thing is why not keep him under control unless someone gives you 2 second rounders or goes crazy and potentially gives you more.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 08:53 PM
He is gonna need a good backup QB for RG3 because he will miss a few games a year the way he uses him.

I know. That will prolly always be an issue but I think if he can get a good return he should flip cousins while he is hot to help get some picks back.....he can keep drafting QBs in mid to late rounds to develop a backup like he did with cousins

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:53 PM
I do not, but that's not relevant to anything I've said.

Yeah it is, specifically in that you are insinuating that Bowtown doesn't know what he is talking about because he doesn't know Turner. Neither do you so you are no more enlightened than him.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 08:56 PM
I actually think they will start to pick his spots running and make that transition.

RGIII is a great pocket passer. I would rather they use the Steve Young/Jake Plummer type bootleg offense like they did with Cousins.

They will eventually morph into that. This was all about doing whatever it took to win and let's face it that pistol offense with RGIII as the decision maker is damn near unstoppable.

Action
12-30-2012, 08:57 PM
Yeah it is, specifically in that you are insinuating that Bowtown doesn't know what he is talking about because he doesn't know Turner. Neither do you so you are no more enlightened than him.

... how does me insulting Bowtown for not knowing Turner have anything to do with me knowing Bobby Turner?

I have not said anything that would involve me to know Bobby Turner in order for me to provide accurate information.

You're reaching here.

theAPAOps5
12-30-2012, 08:58 PM
... how does me insulting Bowtown for not knowing Turner have anything to do with me knowing Bobby Turner?

I have not said anything that would involve me to know Bobby Turner in order for me to provide accurate information.

You're reaching here.

Not reaching....

bowtown
12-30-2012, 08:59 PM
You know Bobby Turner personally or something?

No but I have a lot better evidence than you.

Turner thrives on a ZBS, McDaniels moved to power blocking. McDaniels proved to be a total personal disaster with other assistant coaches we had (e.g. MIKE NOLAN). Pretty much every holdover coach we had from the Shanahan era ran for the hills (Washington, Houston) when the opportunity arose. If you think that promoting Bobby Turner was the only thing that got him to the Redskins, you are kidding yourself.

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 09:00 PM
Hey RedskinBronco where did you go dude? You can breathe easy now. I told you it would be alright. Congrats...division title and home playoff game...and ripping the heart out from your rival.

In fairness RB has been supporting his team lately, although he did say if the skins get blown out by Atlanta he would be pissed.

I did mention to him if the Skins got blown out by Atlanta in the playoffs he would be pissed. I told him that if that happens it mean that the Skins won a playoff game. He seemed unimpressed.

extralife
12-30-2012, 09:01 PM
They ain't trading Cousins. Shanny drafted him because he knows RGIII is going to be hurt now and again, and that's exactly what happened. Your backup has to be competent when you have a tiny dude running around as your number one.

Action
12-30-2012, 09:02 PM
I actually think they will start to pick his spots running and make that transition.

RGIII is a great pocket passer. I would rather they use the Steve Young/Jake Plummer type bootleg offense like they did with Cousins.

They will eventually morph into that. This was all about doing whatever it took to win and let's face it that pistol offense with RGIII as the decision maker is damn near unstoppable.

There is no offense that is unstoppable.

I personally don't think this offense can handle a physical defense...will be exposed with either Seahawks or Niners.

hades
12-30-2012, 09:04 PM
I'm soooooo glad Dallas lost! Living here and listening to everyone talk smack all the time, this week will be pretty enjoyable!

Can't wait to listen to The Ticket (AM 1310) and hear them rip into Da Boy's and red headed Jesus!

This was an excellent weekend for me, capped by the Cowboys loosing! :sunshine:

Bacchus
12-30-2012, 09:04 PM
There is no offense that is unstoppable.

I personally don't think this offense can handle a physical defense...will be exposed with either Seahawks or Niners.

They got the Seahawks in first round. Although the Seahags do not play well on the road.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 09:05 PM
There is no offense that is unstoppable.

I personally don't think this offense can handle a physical defense...will be exposed with either Seahawks or Niners.

we will find out. I am not scared at all of the "road" seahawks.

It's time for payback for 2005 and 2007. I would pick them if it was in seattle but I see the redskins winning next week.

Then Bacchus and I can discuss (soft) atlanta vs. skins.

Action
12-30-2012, 09:07 PM
No but I have a lot better evidence than you.

Turner thrives on a ZBS, McDaniels moved to power blocking. McDaniels proved to be a total personal disaster with other assistant coaches we had (e.g. MIKE NOLAN). Pretty much every holdover coach we had from the Shanahan era ran for the hills (Washington, Houston) when the opportunity arose. If you think that promoting Bobby Turner was the only thing that got him to the Redskins, you are kidding yourself.

True, I think Bobby Turner would be more comfortable as a fit in the ZBS but I think McDaniels knew his talents hence why he wanted to keep him.

Do the research...Mike Nolan is a head case in his self. He's never found a constant home yet he's able to produce a competitive defense.

I don't know the exact coaches that left, but there are two completely different systems and ways of coaching a football team from McDaniels to Shanahan. Shanahan coaches a soft football team.

So, they probably left to go to teams that fit their comfort zone better. The system and culture that is currently in place in Denver could never be attained by a coach like Shanahan.

SoCalBronco
12-30-2012, 09:07 PM
we will find out. I am not scared at all of the "road" seahawks.

It's time for payback for 2005 and 2007. I would pick them if it was in seattle but I see the redskins winning next week.

Then Bacchus and I can discuss (soft) atlanta vs. skins.

I think next weeks game will be very close....I hope RG3 is closer to 100 percent.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 09:07 PM
They ain't trading Cousins. Shanny drafted him because he knows RGIII is going to be hurt now and again, and that's exactly what happened. Your backup has to be competent when you have a tiny dude running around as your number one.

FWIW, indications are that he will eventually but why do it when you have him under control and the position is at such a premium

One of the big discussions on DC radio is what type of offer would get shanny/allen thinking about pulling the trigger on a trade.

Nothing less than 2 second rounders seems to be the concensus. Someone may or may not get flynn disease and offer it up, but until that time comes yeah he is good to have around.

Action
12-30-2012, 09:08 PM
we will find out. I am not scared at all of the "road" seahawks.

It's time for payback for 2005 and 2007. I would pick them if it was in seattle but I see the redskins winning next week.

Then Bacchus and I can discuss (soft) atlanta vs. skins.

True which is why I said either.

I just see so many similarities on how the Redskins play from when Shanny was in Denver was here it's easy to see the exploits and how it doesn't translate to playoff football.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 09:11 PM
I think next weeks game will be very close....I hope RG3 is closer to 100 percent.

Me too, we will need him at better mobility. What happened today was Dallas was afraid to commit to the box because they did not want to get burned on the deep, big plays with that atrocious secondary.

Alfred took advantage, however the seahawks have a great defense.

The seahawks are more of a running team and the skins handle those teams pretty well.

We got them at fedex, i'll be there. I will take my chances. "Road" seattle does not scare me one bit and we need revenge for the Gibbs 2.0 playoff years where they eliminated us up there.

Action
12-30-2012, 09:11 PM
FWIW, indications are that he will eventually but why do it when you have him under control and the position is at such a premium

One of the big discussions on DC radio is what type of offer would get shanny/allen thinking about pulling the trigger on a trade.

Nothing less than 2 second rounders seems to be the concensus. Someone may or may not get flynn disease and offer it up, but until that time comes yeah he is good to have around.

Redskins/DC people don't set the price on Kirk, other teams do.

There has been so many utter failures for trading for a QB that wasn't drafted by the same team, I'm sure teams will be more cautious. The system the QB plays in is a huge deal, most people don't realize.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 09:13 PM
True which is why I said either.

I just see so many similarities on how the Redskins play from when Shanny was in Denver was here it's easy to see the exploits and how it doesn't translate to playoff football.

Yeah I mean that's a valid point from a defensive perspective. I'm with you on that one because I saw all those nightmare colts games.

But I think we do ok against seattle. After that, who knows.

and most certainly, if we had to go to lambeau; rodgers would light us up like peyton lit up the shanahan broncos

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 09:14 PM
Redskins/DC people don't set the price on Kirk, other teams do.

There has been so many utter failures for trading for a QB that wasn't drafted by the same team, I'm sure teams will be more cautious. The system the QB plays in is a huge deal, most people don't realize.

I wasn't arguing one way or the other. Just relaying info.

My own personal opinion is that he could get you a 2nd rounder this offseason. However, I don't think shanahan pulls the trigger, he will wait.

bowtown
12-30-2012, 09:17 PM
So, they probably left to go to teams that fit their comfort zone better. The system and culture that is currently in place in Denver could never be attained by a coach like Shanahan.

Agree but it couldn't be acheived by McDaniels either, and that's when they left so my point stands.

Hamrob
12-30-2012, 09:20 PM
True, I think Bobby Turner would be more comfortable as a fit in the ZBS but I think McDaniels knew his talents hence why he wanted to keep him.

Do the research...Mike Nolan is a head case in his self. He's never found a constant home yet he's able to produce a competitive defense.

I don't know the exact coaches that left, but there are two completely different systems and ways of coaching a football team from McDaniels to Shanahan. Shanahan coaches a soft football team.

So, they probably left to go to teams that fit their comfort zone better. The system and culture that is currently in place in Denver could never be attained by a coach like Shanahan.What the heck are you trying to say? Don't tell me you're a McD nut-hugger??? Haven't we gotten rid of all those idiots by now?? Turner left because he was a Shanny guy...and because he could not continue to work with an idiot like McD.

Turner is the best RB coach in the NFL hands-down! His record speaks for itself.

I would have liked to see Steve Watson continue on as well. What a joke that was with the hiring of McD. Thank God...Bowlen brought in Elway to get this ship turned around!!!

Action
12-30-2012, 09:22 PM
Yeah I mean that's a valid point from a defensive perspective. I'm with you on that one because I saw all those nightmare colts games.

But I think we do ok against seattle. After that, who knows.

and most certainly, if we had to go to lambeau; rodgers would light us up like peyton lit up the shanahan broncos

Not only that, but this type of offense with agile olineman hasn't been proven in the playoffs sense Broncos won the super bowl. I don't want to say it's a gimmick offense, but it's just a offense that has a lot of pressure to "fool" the other team to bite, and if this doesn't happen then it struggles.

It's not like the top tier offenses that play straight up to just out execute you.

Case in point..Shanahan's offenses in the playoffs since he won the SB:

2000 Ravens
3 points
(don't have stats)

2003 Colts
10 points
322 yards

2004 Colts
24 points
338 yards

2005 Patriots
286 yards
27 points

2005 Steelers
308 yards
17 points

Now, it's been like 6 years since he was in the playoffs, but I see the same soft offense going into the playoffs.

This was also the AFC... however NFC defenses has vastly improved.

Action
12-30-2012, 09:23 PM
Agree but it couldn't be acheived by McDaniels either, and that's when they left so my point stands.

I have no idea why McDaniels is in this conversation lol

HOWEVER, I do believe that you could do it with McDaniels had you have a real GM in place and let McDaniels just coach. McDaniels has the same beliefs and philosophies that we have here today...

Action
12-30-2012, 09:26 PM
Here's the issue, all it really takes is for the Redskins to play a very good defense or a very good offense...

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 09:28 PM
Not only that, but this type of offense with agile olineman hasn't been proven in the playoffs sense Broncos won the super bowl. I don't want to say it's a gimmick offense, but it's just a offense that has a lot of pressure to "fool" the other team to bite, and if this doesn't happen then it struggles.

It's not like the top tier offenses that play straight up to just out execute you.

Case in point..Shanahan's offenses in the playoffs since he won the SB:

2000 Ravens
3 points
(don't have stats)

2003 Colts
10 points
322 yards

2004 Colts
24 points
338 yards

2005 Patriots
286 yards
27 points

2005 Steelers
308 yards
17 points

Now, it's been like 6 years since he was in the playoffs, but I see the same soft offense going into the playoffs.

This was also the AFC... however NFC defenses has vastly improved.

remains to be seen. I have more confidence this time around because he has his best RB/QB combo since Elway/TD.

I am ok with the offense. The defense has been getting by with some great deception and guys with tremendous will to get it done (Kerrigan, Jackson, Fletcher, etc.)

We will see what happens, as always.

Action
12-30-2012, 09:30 PM
remains to be seen. I have more confidence this time around because he has his best RB/QB combo since Elway/TD.

I am ok with the offense. The defense has been getting by with some great deception and guys with tremendous will to get it done (Kerrigan, Jackson, Fletcher, etc.)

We will see what happens, as always.

It is true that he has a better QB and RB, however the receivers...

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 09:32 PM
Here's the issue, all it really takes is for the Redskins to play a very good defense or a very good offense...

Well Dallas is as good as it gets on offense. So credit has to be given to Haslett pulling this **** off.

Now in terms of defense, the biggest struggle was against the steelers but keep in mind the receivers dropped 11+ passes that day.

Giants are still a good defense and they did well IMO holding the skins to 17 points in the 2nd meeting, but the redskins defense held their own and allowed only 16 points.

I guess bottom line to me is can the defense hang? They have done it well recently with the exception of what I thought was a subpar effort against philly last week.

RedskinBronco
12-30-2012, 09:34 PM
It is true that he has a better QB and RB, however the receivers...

Yeah it's patchwork other than Garcon, but keep in mind having to defend RG and Morris allows these receivers to get more open than your avg receivers.

Their sum is greater than the individual parts. As a group Garcon, Moss, Hankerson and Morgan are doing a pretty decent job.

Tonight though was not a good night for them as a whole but Morris was the answer tonight.

DENVERDUI55
12-31-2012, 05:18 AM
we will find out. I am not scared at all of the "road" seahawks.

It's time for payback for 2005 and 2007. I would pick them if it was in seattle but I see the redskins winning next week.

Then Bacchus and I can discuss (soft) atlanta vs. skins.

I honestly think the road seahawks are going to pound the redskins. They have the corners to play one on one on the outside and Carroll has coached against a spread offense before.

TheReverend
12-31-2012, 05:22 AM
I honestly think the road seahawks are going to pound the redskins. They have the corners to play one on one on the outside and Carroll has coached against a spread offense before.

Man's kryptonite is a QB like Griffin. Turn your back to run with the WRs and he's turning the corner for 30 yards. One player canNOT spy him.

DENVERDUI55
12-31-2012, 06:25 AM
Man's kryptonite is a QB like Griffin. Turn your back to run with the WRs and he's turning the corner for 30 yards. One player canNOT spy him.

True but he is on one leg and Seattle has same thing going for them with Wilson arguably as good as RG3 without the flashy media coverage. Seattle D can contain the spread option just like they did with San Fran. I expect a 10 plus pt win for them.

TheReverend
12-31-2012, 06:37 AM
True but he is on one leg and Seattle has same thing going for them with Wilson arguably as good as RG3 without the flashy media coverage. Seattle D can contain the spread option just like they did with San Fran. I expect a 10 plus pt win for them.

He was on even less of a leg last night and went for 63 yards against primarily zone Ds. Also, the difference in quality between Griffin and Kaepernick is pretty steep.

I agree with your premise though. I think Seattle and GB are the best teams in the NFC playoffs, but the Redskins are a scary darkhorse. Lots of youth which brings a lot of inconsistency (like our 2008 team), but still very capable of beating anyone if they show up.

RedskinBronco
12-31-2012, 06:53 AM
Teams that I believe the skins would have a tough time beating in the playoffs: GB, SF

Rodgers would light us up.
SF, when they come to play, are the next least flawed team in the league after Denver.

Not scared at all by the rest of the field.

Seattle, Atlanta, Minnesota - not scared at all.

colonelbeef
12-31-2012, 08:25 AM
True, I think Bobby Turner would be more comfortable as a fit in the ZBS but I think McDaniels knew his talents hence why he wanted to keep him.

Do the research...Mike Nolan is a head case in his self. He's never found a constant home yet he's able to produce a competitive defense.

I don't know the exact coaches that left, but there are two completely different systems and ways of coaching a football team from McDaniels to Shanahan. Shanahan coaches a soft football team.

So, they probably left to go to teams that fit their comfort zone better. The system and culture that is currently in place in Denver could never be attained by a coach like Shanahan.

What on earth are you flapping your stupid gums about exactly?

So the architect of the best rushing attack of the last 25 years year in and year out is "soft" in your eyes, while some pass happy failed OC runs a 'smashmouth' attack?

It's actually frightening to think that there are people as stupid as you are walking this planet, good god

Tombstone RJ
12-31-2012, 08:48 AM
I think Seattle will hand the skins their hat. Sure, they are not good on the road but everything changes in the playoffs. Their defense will flat out punch you in the mouth. When Seattle plays well they are hard to beat and if they play mistake free football, I think they will win this game. The only edge I give to the Skins is coaching and the fact they don't have to travel.

RedskinBronco
12-31-2012, 09:05 AM
People are underestimating how physical the redskins are.

Part of being in the NFC east is physical play is part of you. The NFC east's staple is tough, physical play. Always has been, always will be.

That's why I cringed at the shanny hire. He has never been that type of coach but he looks to have adapted to NFC east style ball; at least the tough, gritty part of it

bronco militia
12-31-2012, 10:35 AM
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