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Bronco Rob
12-29-2012, 02:01 PM
Seahawks general manager John Schneider topped a list of candidates for NFL executive of the year, edging out Denver Broncos general manager John Elway and Indianapolis Colts general manager Ryan Grigson, in a vote by several staff members of ESPN.com.

Schneider received eight total votes – one more than Elway and four more than Grigson. ESPN AFC South blogger Paul Kuharsky has the story here, which includes Kuharsky’s opinion as well as thoughts from several other voters.

Here’s a breakdown of the votes:

Schneider – 8

Elway – 7

Grigson – 4

Thomas Dimitroff, Atlanta Falcons – 2

Trent Baalke, San Francisco 49ers – 1

Bruce Allen, Washington Redskins – 1

Kuharsky voted for Schneider, recalling a conversation he had with with fellow
ESPN.com blogger Mike Sando, who covers the NFC West, “I’ve had a close view of the Colts’ transformation from a 2-14 disaster to a 10-5 team heading to the playoffs. As I broadened that view, however, I leaned on something Sando said as we discussed this: Take away the obvious moves, the moves your mom would know to make — signing Manning [Elway], drafting Luck [Grigson] — and find out who’s the choice. I voted Schneider, and so did seven others, enough for him to edge Elway.”

Schneider and head coach Pete Carroll’s 2012 draft class has produced the NFL’s rookie sack leader (Bruce Irvin, 8.0 sacks), a starting middle linebacker who is a serious candidate for defensive rookie of the year (Bobby Wagner), and of course starting quarterback Russell Wilson, who many believe can challenge Luck and Washington’s Robert Griffin III in the race for offensive rookie of the year. Not to mention the club picked up a physical running back in Robert Turbin to match the “Beastmode” attack of Marshawn Lynch, a cornerback in Jeremy Lane who has stepped up and played well in place of the suspended Pro Bowler Brandon Browner, a college defensive lineman turned starting NFL offensive guard in J.R. Sweezy, and several other contributors.

Added Sando, “I voted for Schneider because I thought the moves Seattle made required more skill and foresight. Elway and Grigson did more than simply acquire Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, of course. But without those moves, neither would factor into the discussion. Those were moves 99 percent of fantasy football general managers would have made.”



http://blog.seahawks.com/2012/12/28/espn-panel-votes-schneider-nfl-executive-of-2012/



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OBF1
12-29-2012, 02:18 PM
I can see his side as well. Seattle did so much with some much less than Denver. We made the playoffs last year without Manning, So you would think we were almost expected to do more than last year.... which we did. No one thought Seattle would be as strong as they have become.

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2012, 02:19 PM
Typical ESPN.

He only signed Manning? First of all, I like how Grigson gets 4 votes for drafting Luck. Manning was a free agent. He could have played wherever he wanted. Luck had no choice.

And then also, all in all, the Broncos have drafted OK under Elway.

You could also look at other FA acquisitions that have been solid. Holiday, the DT last year (that Im blanking on) who went to the Saints, McGahee, Adams.

OBF1
12-29-2012, 02:21 PM
Typical ESPN.

He only signed Manning? First of all, I like how Grigson gets 4 votes for drafting Luck. Manning was a free agent. He could have played wherever he wanted. Luck had no choice.

And then also, all in all, the Broncos have drafted OK under Elway.

You could also look at other FA acquisitions that have been solid. Holiday, the DT last year (that Im blanking on) who went to the Saints, McGahee, Adams.

Things done for last season do not matter for this years voting. Denver already had pro bowl players like Bailey, Miller, Clady and Doom on the team.

MillerMayhem58
12-29-2012, 02:24 PM
I love it. All year long this team has been under the radar. Now the Elway is passed over for some guy working for a franchise that never won anything. Early on it was all about houston (NE) and atlanta and now even though we're getting some run, we are still not as talked about as seattle and washington. We are the "oh yeah" team this year......Reporter "oh yeah and the BRONCOS have won AGAIN"
As long as WE are the ones SCREAMING "OH YEAH" in the SUPERBOWL I'm fine with all this disrespect.

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2012, 02:27 PM
Things done for last season do not matter for this years voting. Denver already had pro bowl players like Bailey, Miller, Clady and Doom on the team.

OK, look at Bunkley. He brought in Bunkley. Bunkley made a big difference last year. Then this year, instead of overpaying him, they let Bunkley walk and haven't really missed him. He was able to walk that line of identifying a guy who could contribute but then had the discipline to not fall too much in love with him because he made you look good.

It kind of seems like where this is going is that Wilson was a lower round pick, therefore it should be Schneider. Sorry but if he knew Wilson was going to be this good, he would have drafted him sooner. That's like saying Pioli was great because NE got lucky with Brady.

Endy
12-29-2012, 02:28 PM
Elway's hoisted two Lombardies. He probably cares more about what he's having for dinner tonight than he does this award.

winstoncup bronco
12-29-2012, 02:28 PM
It kind of seems like where this is going is that Wilson was a lower round pick, therefore it should be Schneider. Sorry but if he knew Wilson was going to be this good, he would have drafted him sooner. That's like saying Pioli was great because NE got lucky with Brady.

And not sign Matt Flynn to a nice FA contract.

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2012, 02:31 PM
And not sign Matt Flynn to a nice FA contract.

Yes, and then you contrast the fact that Elway let Bunkley walk even after Bunkley made him look good (and contributing more than Flynn has).

TonyR
12-29-2012, 02:41 PM
Typical ESPN.

Because they don't 100% agree with you? There is a case for Schneider.

NFLBRONCO
12-29-2012, 02:43 PM
Who cares I'm glad John is running show. The award is nice but, not biggest thing.

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2012, 02:45 PM
Because they don't 100% agree with you? There is a case for Schneider.

No. Because they're a bunch of myopic twits...kind of like you.

TonyR
12-29-2012, 02:50 PM
No. Because they're a bunch of myopic twits...kind of like you.

The world doesn't revolve around you. You can cry about it all you want but that won't make it not so. Everybody who works at ESPN isn't a Broncos fan like you. Get over it.

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2012, 02:53 PM
The world doesn't revolve around you. You can cry about it all you want but that won't make it not so. Everybody who works at ESPN isn't a Broncos fan like you. Get over it.

I am over it. I don't even watch ESPN. There's absolutely nothing of value on ESPN. It's fodder for the addle minded.

Congratulations.

DBroncos4life
12-29-2012, 02:55 PM
Because they don't 100% agree with you? There is a case for Schneider.

Matt Flynn agrees.

Rohirrim
12-29-2012, 03:08 PM
So, signing Manning was the easy thing to do? I seem to remember the process taking quite a while and numerous other teams involved, one of which was the Seahawks. So if it was one of "...the moves your mom would know to make..," why didn't Schneider make it? He tried, though, didn't he? He tried, and failed. Elway tried and succeeded. And they vote for Schneider?

Typical head-up-the-ass ESPN.

TonyR
12-29-2012, 03:14 PM
So, signing Manning was the easy thing to do? I seem to remember the process taking quite a while and numerous other teams involved, one of which was the Seahawks. So if it was one of "...the moves your mom would know to make..," why didn't Schneider make it? He tried, though, didn't he? He tried, and failed. Elway tried and succeeded. And they vote for Schneider?

Typical head-up-the-ass ESPN.

I get what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree. But I understand their argument. They're saying Elway's job was easy because Manning chose Denver. The Seahawks, meanwhile, are having huge success with a rookie QB. It just depends on how you look at it. If you think Elway deserves all the credit for Manning then I suppose you choose Elway. If you think of Elway as more of a beneficiary of Manning choosing Denver then you may choose somebody else. Either way, both organizations have done a great job and only one guy can win the award.

R8R H8R
12-29-2012, 03:18 PM
I leaned on something Sando said as we discussed this: Take away the obvious moves, the moves your mom would know to make —...


Added Sando, “I voted for Schneider because I thought the moves Seattle made required more skill and foresight. Elway and Grigson did more than simply acquire Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, of course. But without those moves, neither would factor into the discussion. Those were moves 99 percent of fantasy football general managers would have made.





Wrong. The whole Tebow thing in addition to Manning's uncertain health is what makes this situation anything but a no-brainer. We know from the bickering on this board in the offseason that bringing in Manning was not a no-brainer.

Not only that but bringing in Manning was not the same as drafting a player. That is where Elway came in. When PM picked the Broncos, he was choosing Elway as much as he was choosing the Broncos.

cousinal11
12-29-2012, 03:21 PM
espn has been pretty bad for nearly 20 years.

DBroncos4life
12-29-2012, 03:23 PM
I get what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree. But I understand their argument. They're saying Elway's job was easy because Manning chose Denver. The Seahawks, meanwhile, are having huge success with a rookie QB. It just depends on how you look at it. If you think Elway deserves all the credit for Manning then I suppose you choose Elway. If you think of Elway as more of a beneficiary of Manning choosing Denver then you may choose somebody else. Either way, both organizations have done a great job and only one guy can win the award.

Why are they playing with a rookie QB and not the 19th highest played QB in the NFL. You know the big FA they brought in this season after missing out on Manning?

Rohirrim
12-29-2012, 03:27 PM
I get what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree. But I understand their argument. They're saying Elway's job was easy because Manning chose Denver. The Seahawks, meanwhile, are having huge success with a rookie QB. It just depends on how you look at it. If you think Elway deserves all the credit for Manning then I suppose you choose Elway. If you think of Elway as more of a beneficiary of Manning choosing Denver then you may choose somebody else. Either way, both organizations have done a great job and only one guy can win the award.

As R8R H8R pointed out, Elway also got rid of Tebow. The choice of Elway was a no-brainer, which is why ESPN got it wrong.

TheChamp24
12-29-2012, 03:35 PM
lol, the Colts are a fraud team who were lucky to win 10 games this year.

TonyR
12-29-2012, 03:40 PM
Why are they playing with a rookie QB and not the 19th highest played QB in the NFL. You know the big FA they brought in this season after missing out on Manning?

May have something to do with the fact that Wilson is better than Flynn?

cousinal11
12-29-2012, 03:41 PM
lol, the Colts are a fraud team who were lucky to win 10 games this year.

hopefully they win tomorrow

DBroncos4life
12-29-2012, 03:47 PM
May have something to do with the fact that Wilson is better than Flynn?

So they signed a huge mega bust and still gets GM of the year? Would Elway be GM of the year if Manning didn't play and Os took yus to the playoffs?

broncocalijohn
12-29-2012, 03:51 PM
I can see the points with Seattle but I wonder how the Colts GM gets 4 votes ahead of the 2 front runners.

Mogulseeker
12-29-2012, 03:54 PM
Typical ESPN.

He only signed Manning? First of all, I like how Grigson gets 4 votes for drafting Luck. Manning was a free agent. He could have played wherever he wanted. Luck had no choice.

And then also, all in all, the Broncos have drafted OK under Elway.

You could also look at other FA acquisitions that have been solid. Holiday, the DT last year (that Im blanking on) who went to the Saints, McGahee, Adams.

Broderick Bunkley. Wow I haven't heard that name in forever.

TonyR
12-29-2012, 04:08 PM
So they signed a huge mega bust and still gets GM of the year? Would Elway be GM of the year if Manning didn't play and Os took yus to the playoffs?

We don't know he's a "mega bust" since he's not playing. And he'll be gone next year so it will only be a one year mistake. When your rookie QB is playing this well it's pretty easy to forgive and forget Flynn..

And to your second question, yes, perhaps Elway would be in consideration for this "award" in your scenario as well.

HAT
12-29-2012, 04:26 PM
EAST COAST BIAS !!!

TonyR
12-29-2012, 04:29 PM
EAST COAST BIAS !!!

LOL Clearly!!!

DBroncos4life
12-29-2012, 04:30 PM
We don't know he's a "mega bust" since he's not playing. And he'll be gone next year so it will only be a one year mistake. When your rookie QB is playing this well it's pretty easy to forgive and forget Flynn..

And to your second question, yes, perhaps Elway would be in consideration for this "award" in your scenario as well.

Yeah we don't know LOL Flynn is a one year costly mistake. Signing one of thr biggest FA bust of the offseason doesn't sound like GM of the year to me.

errand
12-29-2012, 04:32 PM
No award matters more than NFL Champion.....

Pop quiz...

Who was the NFL's first executive of the year award winner?

Now, who won the first SB?

TD4HOF
12-29-2012, 04:49 PM
The Duke wuz robbed!

Now the squad will be super fired up and angry tomorrow.

RhymesayersDU
12-29-2012, 05:13 PM
Guyz come on, you all know Seattle is a huge media market, and ESPN totally caters to the big boys.


Typical!

loborugger
12-29-2012, 05:14 PM
Take away the obvious moves, the moves your mom would know to make — signing Manning [Elway]

While there is some validity to this point, the comment needs to go one step further. How about the moves your mom would know to make if she could. Afterall, it was Denver that did land Manning, not AZ, Tenn, SF, Miami, or anyone else that was interested. Secondly, Manning was no sure fire thing to begin with, or have the folks at Espin forgotten that Espin was reporting in August that Manning couldn't make the throws?

extralife
12-29-2012, 05:17 PM
We know from the bickering on this board in the offseason that bringing in Manning was not a no-brainer.

no, we know from the bickering on this board that 25% of the mane are colossal idiots

Nwp-Apap
12-29-2012, 05:21 PM
OK, look at Bunkley. He brought in Bunkley. Bunkley made a big difference last year. Then this year, instead of overpaying him, they let Bunkley walk and haven't really missed him. He was able to walk that line of identifying a guy who could contribute but then had the discipline to not fall too much in love with him because he made you look good.

It kind of seems like where this is going is that Wilson was a lower round pick, therefore it should be Schneider. Sorry but if he knew Wilson was going to be this good, he would have drafted him sooner. That's like saying Pioli was great because NE got lucky with Brady.

Josh McDaniesl acquired Bunkley

baja
12-29-2012, 05:21 PM
Isn't there a more reputable source that decides this award - ESPN give be a break

As for the Seattle GM, he's the guy that paid a QB 8 mil to sit on the bench and than there was that sweet (for SD) trade with SD for their 3 string QB that is no longer with the Seahawks.

FearLanier
12-29-2012, 05:27 PM
Schneider deserves it this year. People said Bruce Irvin was a huge reach, Bobby Wagner didn't get that much credit coming out and we all know how the Russell Wilson situation went down.

Look at the drafts since Schneider stepped in the building. They have hit on several picks on each of their 3 drafts under him.

DarkHorse30
12-29-2012, 05:27 PM
Didn't Schneider and Carroll blunder their way into Denver to try to get Manning to sign there? ...uh....yes.... without great effect.

One more surprise: Manning got a call informing him that Seahawks coach Pete Carroll had flown, unannounced, with Seattle G.M. John Schneider to the airport in Englewood. Carroll would do whatever Manning wanted—talk for a while in Denver or on the plane to Arizona, his next visit, or fly him to Seattle for a lengthier discussion.

Peyton Manning does not like surprises. He said no thanks. Carroll flew home.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1196623/3/index.htm

So then they break the bank for Matt Flynn - who is the most overrated backup in the history of sports (except for Kevin Kolb, of course) - then draft a QB that ends up winning the starting job.....admittedly a great pick.

So you get ESPN GM votes for you if you whiff on a superstar, overpay for a backup that you think can start BASED ON ONE GAME AT GREEN BAY (did anybody see Flynn play more than one game? Brilliant move, Schneider) and luck out on a mid range pick for a QB that is pushed to the front of the depth chart, because Flynn sucks, and then has a great year.

I'm not knocking Russell Wilson; I'm just questioning the wisdom of the ESPNdits that reward a GM that keeps whiffing and then accidentally bloops a single.

DBroncos4life
12-29-2012, 05:31 PM
Josh McDaniesl acquired Bunkley

The **** he did.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/8/1/2310003/report-denver-broncos-acquire-dt-brodrick-bunkley-in-trade

McD was fired in 2010 ROFL!

FearLanier
12-29-2012, 05:32 PM
Didn't Schneider and Carroll blunder their way into Denver to try to get Manning to sign there? ...uh....yes.... without great effect.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1196623/3/index.htm

So then they break the bank for Matt Flynn - who is the most overrated backup in the history of sports (except for Kevin Kolb, of course) - then draft a QB that ends up winning the starting job.....admittedly a great pick.

So you get ESPN GM votes for you if you whiff on a superstar, overpay for a backup that you think can start BASED ON ONE GAME AT GREEN BAY (did anybody see Flynn play more than one game? Brilliant move, Schneider) and luck out on a mid range pick for a QB that is pushed to the front of the depth chart, because Flynn sucks, and then has a great year.

I'm not knocking Russell Wilson; I'm just questioning the wisdom of the ESPNdits that reward a GM that keeps whiffing and then accidentally bloops a single.

The Seahawks draft this year has been by far the best of any team. The top 3 picks are stars in the making.

RhymesayersDU
12-29-2012, 05:36 PM
Didn't Schneider and Carroll blunder their way into Denver to try to get Manning to sign there? ...uh....yes.... without great effect.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1196623/3/index.htm

So then they break the bank for Matt Flynn - who is the most overrated backup in the history of sports (except for Kevin Kolb, of course) - then draft a QB that ends up winning the starting job.....admittedly a great pick.

So you get ESPN GM votes for you if you whiff on a superstar, overpay for a backup that you think can start BASED ON ONE GAME AT GREEN BAY (did anybody see Flynn play more than one game? Brilliant move, Schneider) and luck out on a mid range pick for a QB that is pushed to the front of the depth chart, because Flynn sucks, and then has a great year.

I'm not knocking Russell Wilson; I'm just questioning the wisdom of the ESPNdits that reward a GM that keeps whiffing and then accidentally bloops a single.

IMO you don't get this both ways. If we're going to skewer a guy for the bad Flynn contract, you don't then get to say he just "got lucky" on Wilson.

If that's the case, you could argue that he was unlucky with Flynn but Wilson was a genius pick.

Bacchus
12-29-2012, 05:46 PM
nothing to see here, just win the SB who cares about regular season accolades.

baja
12-29-2012, 05:51 PM
Missing by one vote isn't chopped liver. Elway beat by a mile 30 other GM's, not bad for a guy that never worked in that capacity or even close to it.

We all know John is #1 in our hearts.

Tombstone RJ
12-29-2012, 05:52 PM
Schneider deserves it this year. People said Bruce Irvin was a huge reach, Bobby Wagner didn't get that much credit coming out and we all know how the Russell Wilson situation went down.

Look at the drafts since Schneider stepped in the building. They have hit on several picks on each of their 3 drafts under him.

ok sure, fact is Seattle has made some very questionable moves in the last few years and to Scheider's credit, it seems to be working. However, Elway has had just 2 years to completely turn the Broncos around and he's done it. He's also a fresh faced, brand new GM. He didn't make any fancy or questionable moves outside of dumping Tebow and his team is 12-3. The Manning signing was not a given, not even close. The Broncos were not even considered serious contenders is the Manning sweepstakes when it all began. Elway, to his credit, simple did it better than all the rest.

I can see the point about Schnieder, but then again, I'm not seeing it. Just because the guy scored on a few iffy moves, does not necessarily mean he did a good job. Let's see him do this iffy stuff for a few more years and then see how it all pans out.

I'm still not sold on Pete Carroll.

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2012, 06:03 PM
The **** he did.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/8/1/2310003/report-denver-broncos-acquire-dt-brodrick-bunkley-in-trade

McD was fired in 2010 ROFL!

Don't even bother. You got geniuses like Rhymes, Tony, Lanier, and NWP in this thread. You'll be correcting people all night.

broncocalijohn
12-29-2012, 07:15 PM
I'm not knocking Russell Wilson; I'm just questioning the wisdom of the ESPNdits that reward a GM that keeps whiffing and then accidentally bloops a single.

Wow, so wrong. He whiffed on Manning (how many teams acquired and wanted him? Titans? 49ers? Cardinals? Chiefs? Seahawks?). He hasn't been in Seattle long enough to keep "whiffing". He grabbed Flynn and he sat on the bench because Schnieder didn't hit a single in Wilson. He did his homework and drafted one of the better QBs of this season! That isn't a single in my books but a homerun in the 3rd round (every team had at least 2 chances to get him ... well not the Raiders of course.)

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Elway is still the man.

TonyR
12-29-2012, 07:26 PM
Seattle went 7-9 last season and wasn't considered a contender before the season and they've looked like the best team in the league the last 3 weeks and are the "team nobody wants to play" in the playoffs. Clearly Schneider did something right.

MillerMayhem58
12-29-2012, 08:09 PM
When seattle wins more than 1 or 2 road a games a year let me know cause until then they're still the joke we used to beat twice a year. I miss those automatic wins

DarkHorse30
12-29-2012, 08:11 PM
IMO you don't get this both ways. If we're going to skewer a guy for the bad Flynn contract, you don't then get to say he just "got lucky" on Wilson.

If that's the case, you could argue that he was unlucky with Flynn but Wilson was a genius pick.

Wilson was rated pretty high...and the depth of good QBs in last year's draft was remarkable....I would say they got lucky getting Wilson....and more power to 'em. They drafted well, but there was a sizeable mane group that wanted both Wilson and Turban on the Broncos.

It just looks a little funny that Carroll and Schneider look like schmucks flying to Denver to try to get Peyton to Seattle, while overpaying for Flynn; yet drafting Wilson is more of a score for Schneider than getting Peyton is for Elway?

It's laughable....especially when you consider that Elway traded Tebow for more than he was worth and replaced him with the best QB in the league....but Seattle gets the nod for having a good QB drop to them in a QB loaded draft? Hokay.....

Tombstone RJ
12-29-2012, 08:21 PM
Seattle went 7-9 last season and wasn't considered a contender before the season and they've looked like the best team in the league the last 3 weeks and are the "team nobody wants to play" in the playoffs. Clearly Schneider did something right.

Also, is this not Petey's final year in his contract? IIRC old Petey was gonna be done at the end of this year if he didn't at least make it to the playoffs.

Tombstone RJ
12-29-2012, 08:23 PM
Wilson was rated pretty high...and the depth of good QBs in last year's draft was remarkable....I would say they got lucky getting Wilson....and more power to 'em. They drafted well, but there was a sizeable mane group that wanted both Wilson and Turban on the Broncos.

It just looks a little funny that Carroll and Schneider look like schmucks flying to Denver to try to get Peyton to Seattle, while overpaying for Flynn; yet drafting Wilson is more of a score for Schneider than getting Peyton is for Elway?

It's laughable....especially when you consider that Elway traded Tebow for more than he was worth and replaced him with the best QB in the league....but Seattle gets the nod for having a good QB drop to them in a QB loaded draft? Hokay.....

If Wilson was let's say 6'3" tall he would have been a top 10 QB pick. The only thing holding him back was his height. Yes, Seattle deserves a pat on the back for draft this guy but no, it was not a huge gamble in any way as he was not drafted real high and his only perceived flaw is his height.

g6matty
12-29-2012, 09:20 PM
i was under the impression pete carrol has huge say in the draft process. isnt that d bag the same dude who drafted arron curry like 4 over all. and james carpenter in the late first who no one saw coming lol?

huge contracts to robert gallery and matt flynn to sit the bench.

i love seattles team theyre awsome. im envious the there physicallity in the secondary but i dont see the executive making better moves then john has

OrangeSe7en
12-29-2012, 09:21 PM
Wow, so wrong. He whiffed on Manning (how many teams acquired and wanted him? Titans? 49ers? Cardinals? Chiefs? Seahawks?). He hasn't been in Seattle long enough to keep "whiffing". He grabbed Flynn and he sat on the bench because Schnieder didn't hit a single in Wilson. He did his homework and drafted one of the better QBs of this season! That isn't a single in my books but a homerun in the 3rd round (every team had at least 2 chances to get him ... well not the Raiders of course.)

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Elway is still the man.

That would include Seattle. If Seattle knew Wilson was going to be this good, they would have taken him earlier.

ZONA
12-29-2012, 09:33 PM
I think we all know Seattle should really be 9-6. Their gift from the replacement officials gave them an extra win.

They are hot late in the season but 9 wins is not better then 10 wins in a row and a 12-3 record. That's how I see it.

The only thing hurting Elway in all this is the "Manning Factor" as they describe. No problems. I'm sure Elway would trade in 10 of those awards if it meant landing Manning again, with a great shot at winning a Superbowl.

DBroncos4life
12-29-2012, 09:39 PM
How did signing TO, Braylon Edwards and trading for Winslow workout for the Hawks?

Bronco Yoda
12-29-2012, 10:06 PM
John has done a fantastic job! Not bad for somebody many even here said had no business being an NFL Exec/GM.

Well Done Elway!

R8R H8R
12-29-2012, 10:21 PM
no, we know from the bickering on this board that 25% of the mane are colossal idiots

Well, you may be right, but it doesn't change the fact that in March Manning was anything but a finished product. To give 18 million to a guy that couldn't make "all the throws" at that time took a leap of faith, and had many doubters, including ones at ESPN.

Doggcow
12-29-2012, 10:32 PM
Well, you may be right, but it doesn't change the fact that in March Manning was anything but a finished product. To give 18 million to a guy that couldn't make "all the throws" at that time took a leap of faith, and had many doubters, including ones at ESPN.

All season it's been like that.

Pre-Season: DENVER SUCKS MANNING WON'T MAKE IT
Early Season: SEE YOU SUCK, CAN'T BEAT GOOD TEAMS
Mid-Season: YOU'RE ONLY BEATING BAD TEAMS
Now: LOL WE KNEW YOU WERE GOOD ALL ALONG

Bronco Rob
12-29-2012, 10:45 PM
Koppen, Brooking and Holliday. Any questions?




???

SonOfLe-loLang
12-29-2012, 10:51 PM
I dont know that I'm gonna give the Seattle GM a **** ton of credit for drafting Russell Wilson in the third round. Here's the deal: if they knew Wilson would have this kind of an impact, and were so confident about that, he's a first round pick. This is like when Mike Shanahan got credit for drafting Terrell Davis in the 6th. As Shanny said then, if he were smart, he'd have drafted TD in the first.

But whatever. He did a good job, Elway did a good job, who gives a **** about a poll?

R8R H8R
12-30-2012, 01:15 AM
All season it's been like that.

Pre-Season: DENVER SUCKS MANNING WON'T MAKE IT
Early Season: SEE YOU SUCK, CAN'T BEAT GOOD TEAMS
Mid-Season: YOU'RE ONLY BEATING BAD TEAMS
Now: LOL WE KNEW YOU WERE GOOD ALL ALONG

Yeah, that's about right. That is why I have a problem with these so-called experts now saying that getting PM was a no-brainer. Because before the season started, many of these same guys were doubting if Manning could even make a basic throw, or even survive NFL type hits.

In addition to this, Elway took care of the Tebow "problem". That also was not an easy decision because if Manning ended up damaged goods, we all know the Tebowites would chased Elway out of town, or tried to, anyway.

M. Zaiem Beg
12-30-2012, 05:46 AM
I dont know that I'm gonna give the Seattle GM a **** ton of credit for drafting Russell Wilson in the third round. Here's the deal: if they knew Wilson would have this kind of an impact, and were so confident about that, he's a first round pick. This is like when Mike Shanahan got credit for drafting Terrell Davis in the 6th. As Shanny said then, if he were smart, he'd have drafted TD in the first.

But whatever. He did a good job, Elway did a good job, who gives a **** about a poll?

The draft is still about getting value. If you had a time machine and could go back to 1999, you don't ship two first round picks for Kurt Warner even though that would be a fair deal. You send a 7th rounder to the Rams and say "we need depth."

If you know a guy is great but his value is perceived as not so much, then you're wasting resources by taking him in the first round when you know you can get him later. If you had a time machine, you don't tell Shanahan to take Davis in the first round. You wait until the sixth because why on earth would you waste a first round pick on a guy that no other team has any desire taking on the first day?

That said, Elway and Schneider have both done great jobs this year. I think the fact that it's very close seems totally reasonable.

Bronco Rob
12-30-2012, 11:00 AM
SB Nation's NFL bloggers voted on year-end awards and Elway, the Broncos executive VP, tops the list for Executive of the Year.


The results: John Elway (8)
John Schneider (5)
Bruce Allen (4)
Ryan Grigson (3)
Rick Smith (1)
Ted Thompson (1)
Thomas Dmitroff (1)




http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/12/27/3807732/executive-of-the-year-john-elway

Broncobiv
12-30-2012, 11:42 AM
So is this even a real award, and if so, who actually votes on it? Is this ESPN thing just an opinion poll, or did they make the final decision?

Mediator12
12-30-2012, 12:36 PM
This is an awful lot of biased opinion that fails to look at the depth of the work these GM's actually did in all phases of the game.

All 3 Guys at the top are rightfully there, Schneider, Elway, and Grigson. All of them did superior work this season, and most of all they made a ton of actual roster moves that were extremely impactful on the team THIS SEASON. INDY and SEA especially are extremely young and have had a talent upgrade at a LOT of starting positions. All 3 have had tremendous drafts that have had real impact across the whole thing including the use of UDFA's. DEN has had the best success in acquiring VET FA's, followed by INDY, and then SEA trails there.

As someone who follows personnel across the NFL as a hobby, I feel these 3 guys are the right picks for the top 3 positions this season. As for the ESPN rationale on their Bloggers votes, its poor at best and revisionist and uses a ton of hindsight to support a flawed argument.

The best way to judge this to me is how many roster positions did they affect and how many did they upgrade. Then, take into account any superstar moves that panned out or did not pan out. Finally, is the team younger, healthier, and prepared to repeat the success they had this year with their team?

I'll do a roster assesment tomorrow when I have time and come back and show how these teams were built so well this year to win and have a shot at the playoffs.

ColoradoDarin
12-30-2012, 01:48 PM
I'm not upset by it (this isn't the official one, right?), any of the top 3 guys deserve to win it for what they have done.

Agamemnon
12-30-2012, 02:52 PM
Schneider deserves it. Stop being a homer.

Agamemnon
12-30-2012, 02:58 PM
I dont know that I'm gonna give the Seattle GM a **** ton of credit for drafting Russell Wilson in the third round. Here's the deal: if they knew Wilson would have this kind of an impact, and were so confident about that, he's a first round pick. This is like when Mike Shanahan got credit for drafting Terrell Davis in the 6th. As Shanny said then, if he were smart, he'd have drafted TD in the first.

But whatever. He did a good job, Elway did a good job, who gives a **** about a poll?

He was considered a 1st round talent if not for the height issues. The fact that Elway took beanpole boy instead of Russell should definitely count against him when assessing the job he's done as a GM this year.

Kaylore
12-30-2012, 03:06 PM
Schneider deserves it. I'm mad at Elway for trading Tebow.

FYP

Agamemnon
12-30-2012, 05:00 PM
FYP

Elway has done a great job overall. I have no problem admitting that. And he also arguably deserves the award. But honestly, rolling the dice and winning with Manning doesn't feel quite on par with what Schneider has done overall as a GM.

And yes, I still disagree with how he handled Tebow. But I'm pretty much over it at this point for obvious reasons.

enjolras
12-30-2012, 06:59 PM
He was considered a 1st round talent if not for the height issues. The fact that Elway took beanpole boy instead of Russell should definitely count against him when assessing the job he's done as a GM this year.

So you know that Wilson is going to be the better long-term prospect? Cause I don't. It's entirely possible that Brock will be the greatest of the whole class. We won't know for quite some time.

Stop being an anti-homer.

Bronco Rob
12-31-2012, 03:32 AM
13-3

Number One Seed

First Round Bye

11 Game Winning Streak.



:thumbs:

Drek
12-31-2012, 05:27 AM
He was considered a 1st round talent if not for the height issues. The fact that Elway took beanpole boy instead of Russell should definitely count against him when assessing the job he's done as a GM this year.

Wilson couldn't run the offense Elway and Fox want though. They want traditional pocket passer hitting playmakers all over the field, Wilson relies on an elite running game and his own wheels too much for this offense.

How crazy is it that John Elway's ideal offense for today's NFL is damn near the polar opposite of what he thrived in as a player? Its an interesting insight into how one of the game's best views the current NFL. A young Elway would be the prototype for a spread option offense but while much of the league is buying it hard Elway is looking to go the opposite direction and stick with pocket passers.

LRtagger
12-31-2012, 07:02 AM
John also hired JDR

Kaylore
12-31-2012, 07:10 AM
John also hired JDR

Before Manning was signed, BTW.

Play2win
12-31-2012, 07:14 AM
The results speak for themselves.

colonelbeef
12-31-2012, 08:26 AM
Both are worthy.

Elway = NFL answer to Jerry West

tesnyde
12-31-2012, 10:13 AM
@bkravitz: Talking to colleagues, sounds like Elway will get the nod over Grigson for exec of yr, which I find laughable. But we'll see.

bronco militia
12-31-2012, 10:16 AM
@bkravitz: Talking to colleagues, sounds like Elway will get the nod over Grigson for exec of yr, which I find laughable. But we'll see.

LOL

I wonder if Bob Kravits is butt hurt that his meal ticket moved to Denver to play for his former meal ticket?

ColoradoDarin
12-31-2012, 10:22 AM
Yeah, it's laughable that Elway would have a shot at executive of the year... with Denver going from 2-14 to HFA since he was hired with our Top 5 offense and our Top 5 defense.

Dedhed
12-31-2012, 10:25 AM
So because Schneider failed to do what Elway succeeded in (signing Manning) and got lucky with Wilson, he gets the nod over Elway? I don't think so.

tesnyde
12-31-2012, 10:44 AM
LOL

I wonder if Bob Kravits is butt hurt that his meal ticket moved to Denver to play for his former meal ticket?

My response:
@tesnyde: @bkravitz Elway has developed a top 5 offense and defense, candidates for MVP, DPOY, and #1 seed in AFC. It's a legit resume.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 01:43 PM
Wilson couldn't run the offense Elway and Fox want though. They want traditional pocket passer hitting playmakers all over the field, Wilson relies on an elite running game and his own wheels too much for this offense.

How crazy is it that John Elway's ideal offense for today's NFL is damn near the polar opposite of what he thrived in as a player? Its an interesting insight into how one of the game's best views the current NFL. A young Elway would be the prototype for a spread option offense but while much of the league is buying it hard Elway is looking to go the opposite direction and stick with pocket passers.

Elway has actually said his ideal is a pocket passer with mobility (Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers). But you are right that he values pocket passing over mobility if forced to choose.

Agamemnon
12-31-2012, 01:45 PM
Yeah, it's laughable that Elway would have a shot at executive of the year... with Denver going from 2-14 to HFA since he was hired with our Top 5 offense and our Top 5 defense.

We never went 2-14.