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KevinJames
12-26-2012, 08:01 PM
Unbelievable. Huge Snubs.

How did Cromartie make it over Harris..
Why did Robert Mathis & Tamba Hali make it 8 and 9 sacks as a pass rushing OLB is not that special this should be Woodyards spot.
Demaryius Thomas as many TDs as Reggie Wayne & Andre Johnson combined together and more yardage than Welker. Higher YPC avg than all.


Lets start with Chris Harris, he should have made it over Cromartie clearly

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2012/1216/20121216__chris-harris-INT-TD-broncos-ravens-122612~p1.jpg

Antonio Cromartie has 33 tackles | 3 INTs | 0 sacks | 1 TD

Johnathan Joseph has 57 tackles | 2 INTs | 0 sacks | 1 TD

Champ Bailey has 63 tackles | 2 INTs | 0 sacks | 0 TD

Chris Harris has 59 tackles | 3 INTs | 2.5 sacks | 2 TD


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Next up Welsey Woodyard (he has better stats than 2 of the 3 OLBs that got in)
http://cbsdenver.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/151681895.jpg?w=410
Von Miller has 65 tackles | 1 INT | 17.5 sacks | 1 TD | 6 FF (BEAST! well deserved)

Tamba Hali has 49 tackles | 0 INT | 9 sacks | 0 TD | 1 FF (pretty average for 3-4 pass rushing OLB)

Robert Mathis has 30 tackles | 1 INT | 8 sacks | 0 TD | 1 FF (pretty average for 3-4 pass rushing OLB)

Wesley Woodyard has 113 tackles | 3 INT | 5.5 sacks | 1 FF ( beast year for a 4-3 OLB)

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Lastly but certainly not least Demaryius Thomas he deserved to go over Andre Johnson, Welker and Wayne :shrug:
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/711/679/hi-res-152672170_crop_650.jpg?1351500818
A.J. Green: 95 receptions | 1,324 yds | | 13.4 avg | 11 TDs

Andre Johnson: 100 receptions | 1,457 yds | 14.6 avg | 4 TDs

Reggie Wayne: 102 receptions | 1,315 yds | 12.9 avg | 5 TDs

Wes Welker: 110 receptions | 1,260 yds | 11.5 avg | 5 TDs

Demaryius Thomas: 87 receptions | 1,312 yds | 15.1 avg | 9 TDs

Overall he has less receptions, and just about the the same yardage as everyone but more TD catches than everyone else except AJ Green. He has the highest YPC average of the entire group.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/d-thomas-1-hand2-10-7-12.gif

2 of the key components to the Broncos top 5 defense & 1 of the key components to Mannings comeback MVP worthy season snubbed. Shame to see such good players snubbed but its all good though we are going to the Superbowl anyway so they won't be playing in the pro bowl.

cutthemdown
12-26-2012, 08:04 PM
DT was the big snub. His yr way better then Welkers. This is why the pro bowl is a joke. Better off just smoking a bowl and not worrying about it. Thats what i am doing!

tesnyde
12-26-2012, 08:04 PM
Well done.

cutthemdown
12-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Having the same yardage but less receptions from a WR is actually more impressive IMO. Its all about ypc and tds for WR IMO. That means you make big big plays. Welker IMO more a cherry picker. I would love to sign him and put him in the slot though lol.

Br0nc0Buster
12-26-2012, 08:07 PM
Woodyard and DT got snubbed

And while I though Harris deserved consideration, you wont find many #2 corners that make the pro bowl

You cant compare stats of a #2 corner to that of a #1
Cant really compare corner stats to begin with honestly

DENVERDUI55
12-26-2012, 08:09 PM
Fine by me. When WW and DT are up for contract extending Denver can say you haven't made the pro bowl yet.

Kaylore
12-26-2012, 08:09 PM
Yeah number 2 corners don't deserve to be in the pro bowl.

But Woodyard and DT deserved to go.

errand
12-26-2012, 08:10 PM
Doesn't matter because the Broncos will be in New Orleans the Monday after the Pro Bowl getting ready to win title #3

KevinJames
12-26-2012, 08:11 PM
congrats to those that did make it though

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/382878_10151390937836318_897947151_n.jpg

Woodyard and DT got snubbed

And while I though Harris deserved consideration, you wont find many #2 corners that make the pro bowl

You cant compare stats of a #2 corner to that of a #1
Cant really compare corner stats to begin with honestly

Cromartie is a #2 corner only starts cause revis is on IR

also I think Chris Harris being a #2 corner due to having Champ Bailey the best CB in the history of the NFL shouldn't be a negative.

Chris Harris could probably start over a lot of #1 corners in the league on other teams. I could name a few if you want.

TheReverend
12-26-2012, 08:13 PM
Mathis over WW3 was a big snub, but it happens to unknown players often. He'll get his day.

DT was also a snub, but a reasonable one. Logjammed position..

Cromartie was the AFCs best CB this season so him over Harris is very spot on correct.

cmhargrove
12-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Good points, good thread, but I honestly don't give a **** right now. This teamis a legitimate threat for winning it all - which is the greatest honor. Keep our important parts and add a few in the offseason, and we could dominate the next 3-5 years.

I'm proud of this club win or lose, but I am going from generally optimistic to highly optometric right now. The pro bowl is a nice honor, but half the times it is a joke. I'm proud of our guys, but am now expecting to see them in the big game that matters (not the pro bowl).

broncosteven
12-26-2012, 08:23 PM
I cannot believe a 2-whatever team sent 5 guys, clearly their Punter needed to go based on volume of work alone but Hali is overrated trash, Berry is Ok but not probowl Ok.

What a complete joke. Not our guys will be playing in it due to the fact we will be playing in the SB the following week.

McDman
12-26-2012, 08:27 PM
I think Woodyard may be the biggest snub. The guy has been amazing.

broncosteven
12-26-2012, 09:44 PM
I think Woodyard may be the biggest snub. The guy has been amazing.

Ehh... I think he still misses on too many plays to take it to an All pro type level but he has had a couple monster games.

I really thought DT was deserving, dude is a monster.

theAPAOps5
12-26-2012, 09:48 PM
Hopefully the end result is the snubbing will be by the Broncos because they have bigger and better things to prepare for!

srphoenix
12-26-2012, 09:50 PM
how awesome is it that we went from having no pass rush for so many years to now having two probowl edge rushers! Way to go Von Doom!

spiralism
12-26-2012, 09:57 PM
Cromartie has kicked ass this year in fairness, sucks for Harris but c'est la vie. Thomas lost out in a position where elite players are dime a dozen. Woodyard is confusing considering he didnt even get named an alternate.

Love the disrespect though, let it light a fire

On a related note, I'm delighted to see Phil Dawson and Blair Walsh getting their dues...also, i find KC naming 5 probowlers on a 2 win team somewhat hilarious!

TheChamp24
12-26-2012, 10:17 PM
Honestly, I think our Colquitt should've gone, he's been a beast this year if you look at his stats.

Him and Thomas I would've picked over some other guys.
Harris was a reach, and Woodyard is just too unknown.

UberBroncoMan
12-26-2012, 10:36 PM
On the flip side. Them not getting Pro-Bowl selections gives them less use ammo to use to increase their cost in contract negotiations. Tons of them will be FA's in 2014. Cheaper players adds up.

UberBroncoMan
12-26-2012, 10:39 PM
Mathis over WW3 was a big snub, but it happens to unknown players often. He'll get his day.

DT was also a snub, but a reasonable one. Logjammed position..

Cromartie was the AFCs best CB this season so him over Harris is very spot on correct.

It usually takes making an AP All-Pro team for players to recognize the unknowns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaVorro_Bowman

Went from 1st team All-Pro last year with NO Pro-Bowl to a Pro-Bowl this year.

Pass is...IN-COM-PLETE!
12-26-2012, 10:41 PM
Harris was a reach, and Woodyard is just too unknown.

Harris wasn't a reach.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/19/pro-bowl-roster-2012-afc/2/

Mogulseeker
12-26-2012, 10:42 PM
I think it's a sign that a team is just that - a team - when it is 12-3 and is only sending 5 players to the Pro Bowl.

baja
12-26-2012, 10:43 PM
On the flip side. Them not getting Pro-Bowl selections gives them less use ammo to use to increase their cost in contract negotiations. Tons of them will be FA's in 2014. Cheaper players adds up.

Other teams will know their worth if the Broncos don't but they do.

If you can figure out the Pro Bowl is not an accurate gauge of talent why would you thing 32 GM's don't know this.

Pass is...IN-COM-PLETE!
12-26-2012, 10:47 PM
I think it's a sign that a team is just that - a team - when it is 12-3 and is only sending 5 players to the Pro Bowl.

In 1997, the 12-4 Broncos sent only John Elway, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Tom Nalen and Neil Smith to the Pro Bowl.

baja
12-26-2012, 10:49 PM
I think it's a sign that a team is just that - a team - when it is 12-3 and is only sending 5 players to the Pro Bowl.


I wonder how many teams we sent into a tail spin after we beat them.

San Diego the first game

KC the first game

Carolina?

Tampa Bay?

Doggcow
12-26-2012, 10:49 PM
Honestly, I think our Colquitt should've gone, he's been a beast this year if you look at his stats.

Him and Thomas I would've picked over some other guys.
Harris was a reach, and Woodyard is just too unknown.

I thought he might lock up the Pro Bowl job but no. What about here in Den?

Pass is...IN-COM-PLETE!
12-26-2012, 10:53 PM
Yeah number 2 corners don't deserve to be in the pro bowl.

You're wrong about Harris.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/19/pro-bowl-roster-2012-afc/2/

Pass is...IN-COM-PLETE!
12-26-2012, 11:03 PM
This tells you all you need to know when it comes to the legitimacy of a Pro Bowl selection.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/240/161/108900436_crop_650x440.jpg?1307328110

FearLanier
12-26-2012, 11:08 PM
I cannot believe a 2-whatever team sent 5 guys, clearly their Punter needed to go based on volume of work alone but Hali is overrated trash, Berry is Ok but not probowl Ok.

What a complete joke. Not our guys will be playing in it due to the fact we will be playing in the SB the following week.

To be fair, Colquitt was very deserving. He had great stats and can break the record for most punts pinned inside the 20 this week. I think that record got him in.
Charles obviously deserves to get in. DJ is questionable, though he is an elite ILB IMO.
Tamba isn't even the best OLB on the team. Houston was more deserving.
And Berry got in on rep, though he has played great the last month. Good to see he's back to normal.

ZONA
12-26-2012, 11:09 PM
If those you mentioned made it we would have had like 10 guys in the Probowl. I don't thing I've ever heard of a team sending that many. Were they snubbed, I don't know. Our guys that did make it deserve it and maybe a few more probably should have. DT I just don't think enough people know about him yet. Remember, the Probowl is part popularity contest. Wayne, Welker, those are names people are familiar with.

Br0nc0Buster
12-26-2012, 11:20 PM
In regards to KC:
Colquitte is fine. I dont know if he was the top AFC punter, but he is always good
BTW I like our Colquitte just as much, I think they are both studs
Charles is deserving; put up great numbers despite being one of the few goods players on that team
Dj and Tamba- eh...both did pretty good but not sure "pro bowl" level
I personally think Woodyard had better years than them
Eric Berry got in on rep alone
He was terrible early on but has played better lately

Pass is...IN-COM-PLETE!
12-26-2012, 11:36 PM
If those you mentioned made it we would have had like 10 guys in the Probowl. I don't thing I've ever heard of a team sending that many.

Denver sent 10 in 1998. Elway, Davis, McCaffrey, Sharpe, Tony Jones, Schlereth, Nalen, Romanowski, Atwater, Elam.

Action
12-27-2012, 12:06 AM
So 49ers have 6 pro bowlers on defense, 5 of them are starters...it would be 6 if they were playing a 3-4.

So the 49ers have 6 of the best defensive players in the NFC?

...damn.

Jetmeck
12-27-2012, 01:32 AM
IT'S A POPULARITY CONTEST ! **** 'EM

cutthemdown
12-27-2012, 01:49 AM
Who cares. The AP All Pro team really the ultimate gauge of a players yr. Very hard to make that team.

Here is a link to last yrs squad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_All-Pro_Team

enjolras
12-27-2012, 03:00 AM
Thomas not being in is just a joke.

Head to head stats. (http://www.nfl.com/stats/headtohead?player1=GRE034604&player2=JOH056462&player3=WAY456953&player4=THO095855&position=widereceiver&playerOne=A.J.+Green&playerTwo=Andre+Johnson&playerThree=Reggie+Wayne&playerFour=Demaryius+Thomas)

He trails in catches, but is right at the top or clearly ahead in basically every other category. If he's not playing on a team with so many legitimate weapons he is far and away the best receiver in the AFC statistically.

It's a complete snub.

eddie mac
12-27-2012, 05:35 AM
Mathis over WW3 was a big snub, but it happens to unknown players often. He'll get his day.

DT was also a snub, but a reasonable one. Logjammed position..

Cromartie was the AFCs best CB this season so him over Harris is very spot on correct.

Spot on, he literally shut down every single fantasy WR this year

Tombstone RJ
12-27-2012, 07:31 AM
So 49ers have 6 pro bowlers on defense, 5 of them are starters...it would be 6 if they were playing a 3-4.

So the 49ers have 6 of the best defensive players in the NFC?

...damn.

This is pretty amazing. Yes, the Niners D is legit, but as we discussed in another thread, I think the bandwagon fans come out strong for the Niners too.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-27-2012, 09:15 AM
No idea how Sherman and Dez Bryant didnt make it for the NFC. Guess one is punished for Aderol the other for off field attitude

TheChamp24
12-27-2012, 09:41 AM
This tells you all you need to know when it comes to the legitimacy of a Pro Bowl selection.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/240/161/108900436_crop_650x440.jpg?1307328110

Oh god I forgot about that...ugh...
Vince Young, David Garrard...

Kaylore
12-27-2012, 09:50 AM
I am actually happy Kuper is a second alternate despite missing most of the season. It's too bad because if he was healthy this would have been his first bid.

Requiem
12-27-2012, 09:51 AM
Pretty sure some of our alternates will go. . . that is if we don't go to the Super Bowl.

ludo21
12-27-2012, 09:52 AM
you usually go to the Pro Bowl the year after you have a great year.

Requiem
12-27-2012, 09:55 AM
I am actually happy Kuper is a second alternate despite missing most of the season. It's too bad because if he was healthy this would have been his first bid.

It is nice to see opposing players and coaches give Kuper the credit he deserves. Hopefully he is all healed up and ready to go for our Super Bowl run!

Mountain Bronco
12-27-2012, 10:22 AM
The Chiefs having the same number of players as the Broncos is the biggest travesty. Eric Berry??? Really?

DT was the far biggest snub. Thought he should have gone over Wayne as he had the same yardage an fewer catches and more than double the TD's. Points win games, not catches.

dsmoot
12-27-2012, 10:37 AM
Yeah number 2 corners don't deserve to be in the pro bowl.

But Woodyard and DT deserved to go.

Sometimes the reality is that it is difficult to breakthrough the first time to a Pro Bowl/All Star status when up against people who have been there before or perceived to be. Not always fair. Players keep the status for a short while even when the actual level of play has dropped off.

BroncoBeavis
12-27-2012, 10:47 AM
The Chiefs having the same number of players as the Broncos is the biggest travesty. Eric Berry??? Really?

DT was the far biggest snub. Thought he should have gone over Wayne as he had the same yardage an fewer catches and more than double the TD's. Points win games, not catches.

I was looking at the numbers earlier though, and you could use this same argument for Dez Bryant on the other side. I was surprised at his #'s.

I think Wayne gets the name-recognition benefit of the doubt. That's part of it. Plus there's the PMFM vs Rookie QB factor. Just this last offseason we were arguing about old Colts WRs being 'overrated' because of Peyton. You know other people are thinking along the same lines now (and appreciating Wayne more because of it)

broncocalijohn
12-27-2012, 10:53 AM
Yeah number 2 corners don't deserve to be in the pro bowl.

But Woodyard and DT deserved to go.

But with Bailey making the Pro Bowl as your #1 CB, many players would have this problem. Once they throw to his side and he is shutting down the #2 receiver, he is doing his job.
I understand #1 vs #1 but it isn't like he is behind a scrub. He is behind a HOF that is still playing damn well on defense. I can see the omission based on #1 CB. Harris will get his turn. Nice problem as he probably could have been a #1 on some teams. He is getting reps without the massive pressure CB gets every season.

Kevin, your argument for the other two seems about right. Good thread IMO.

Quoydogs
12-27-2012, 11:25 AM
DT was the big snub. His yr way better then Welkers. This is why the pro bowl is a joke. Better off just smoking a bowl and not worrying about it. Thats what i am doing!

I thought this too until I just looked at Chris Harris stats. He got screwed.

lonestar
12-27-2012, 12:56 PM
Sorry but I could care less.. All it does is raise the price of contracts when they come due.

As for recognition the players themselves know as do the coaching staffs.

I know what they have done and to get all butt hurt that amp other team has players and we do not is well less than manly IMO.

So I look at as dollar signs that I do not have to spend because they go to the pro bowl.

Both poort$$ and Ashley both wanted huge contract after going there and comparing notes on how much those other player made and their contract.

The agents also see HUGE $ signs and pump smoke up their butts about how they are over playing their current contracts.


Once again it does not bother me all that much. I think might add it gives a player more incentive when they see someone that has not had the same season they do go. so next year there is even more passion than this year.

Please do not forget how players we lost after our Super Bowl seasons because we were at cap MaX and at least four players moved on ASAP.

I'd rather keep the team together as long as I can, for as little money as I have to spend.