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Obushma
12-25-2012, 04:36 PM
Seems the folks over on Lew Rockwell have found them.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/129311.html

December 23, 2012


So This Is Where the Left's Anti-War Movement Went

Posted by David Kramer on December 23, 2012 05:30 AM


They left out ending gun violence in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. I "wonder" why?


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Obushma
12-25-2012, 04:40 PM
Demand a plan for freedom against Liberal philosophies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjjXxcOKPGY&feature=player_embedded
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lonestar
12-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Demand a plan for freedom against Liberal philosophies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjjXxcOKPGY&feature=player_embedded
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classic.. :thumbs:

turn the tables on the libs..

but are you in trouble on this forum the lids are coming for you..

Requiem
12-25-2012, 05:11 PM
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barryr
12-25-2012, 05:32 PM
Heck, idiot liberals from Hollywood I'm sure will speak out against guns as they star in their next movie where half the cast gets blown up and killed.

Obushma
12-25-2012, 05:52 PM
Heck, idiot liberals from Hollywood I'm sure will speak out against guns as they star in their next movie where half the cast gets blown up and killed.

No, they just all hire armed bodyguards, liberal pussies.

mhgaffney
12-26-2012, 05:22 AM
I've been speaking out against the war machine loud and clear for many years.

And hey...I ain't no lib'rel.

I'm a radical -- and have been since Daley's cops rioted at the Dem nat'l convention in Chicago, 1968.

MHG

Arkie
12-26-2012, 10:53 AM
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cutthemdown
12-26-2012, 12:16 PM
178? thats it? I'd say we have killed a lot more then that just in Pakistan. War is a dirty business but its their govt who has let them down by failing to protect them. Had they just made friends and been our lil bitches like a good country then we wouldn't have to do this.

mhgaffney
12-26-2012, 03:58 PM
178? thats it? I'd say we have killed a lot more then that just in Pakistan. War is a dirty business but its their govt who has let them down by failing to protect them. Had they just made friends and been our lil b****es like a good country then we wouldn't have to do this.

No no. You are not paying attention.

barryr
12-26-2012, 06:22 PM
I've been speaking out against the war machine loud and clear for many years.

And hey...I ain't no lib'rel.

I'm a radical -- and have been since Daley's cops rioted at the Dem nat'l convention in Chicago, 1968.

MHG

But there are those that only oppose war when a democrat isn't in the WH. Otherwise, it is bomb away and ask few questions.

cutthemdown
12-26-2012, 07:10 PM
At least Gaff consistent regardless of dem or repub. For sure though there were a lot more anti war liberals when Bush was president. Now they don't even care Obama kills Americans with no trial.

cutthemdown
12-26-2012, 07:11 PM
No no. You are not paying attention.

How come we don't use drones to bomb India? Can you answer that honestly? Also why not use drones to bomb Venezuala they have oil ya know? Why do some countries get the ax and some don't?

mhgaffney
12-27-2012, 06:43 AM
How come we don't use drones to bomb India? Can you answer that honestly? Also why not use drones to bomb Venezuala they have oil ya know? Why do some countries get the ax and some don't?

So you would bomb everyone?

mhgaffney
12-27-2012, 07:31 AM
There are those among us, men of principle, who have been speaking against the war machine.

Here is another example.

My only criticism is that Boyle should have included the British in his list of historical examples of imperialism.
MHG

Twin Swords Of Damocles Over The Heads Of All Humanity

By Francis A. Boyle

December 26, 2012 "Information Clearing House" - During the 1950s I grew up in a family who rooted for the success of African Americans in their just struggle for civil rights and full legal equality. Then in 1962 it was the terror of my own personal imminent nuclear annihilation during the Cuban Missile Crisis that first sparked my interest in studying international relations and U.S. foreign policy as a young boy of 12: “I can do a better job than this!”

With the escalation of the Vietnam War in 1964 and the military draft staring me right in the face, I undertook a detailed examination of it. Eventually I concluded that unlike World War II when my Father had fought and defeated the Japanese Imperial Army as a young Marine in the Pacific, this new war was illegal, immoral, unethical, and the United States was bound to lose it. America was just picking up where France had left off at Dien Bien Phu. So I resolved to do what little I could to oppose the Vietnam War.

In 1965 President Lyndon Johnson gratuitously invaded the Dominican Republic, which prompted me to commence a detailed examination of U.S. military interventions into Latin America from the Spanish-American War of 1898 up to President Franklin Roosevelt’s so-called “good neighbor” policy. At the end of this study, I concluded that the Vietnam War was not episodic, but rather systemic: Aggression, warfare, bloodshed, and violence were just the way the United States Financial Power Elite had historically conducted their business around the world and in America. Hence, as I saw it as a young man of 17, there would be more Vietnams in the future and perhaps someday I could do something about it as well as about promoting civil rights for African Americans. These twins concerns of my youth would gradually ripen into a career devoted to international law and human rights.

So I commenced my formal study of International Relations with the late, great Hans Morgenthau in the first week of January 1970 as a 19 year old college sophomore at the University of Chicago by taking his basic introductory course on that subject. At the time, Morgenthau was leading the academic forces of opposition to the detested Vietnam War, which is precisely why I chose to study with him. During ten years of higher education at the University of Chicago and Harvard, I refused to study with openly pro-Vietnam-War professors as a matter of principle and also on the quite pragmatic ground that they had nothing to teach me.

Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III.

By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last.

This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53):

“The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination--a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind... “

It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.

Francis A. Boyle is a graduate of the University of Chicago and Harvard Law School. He has advised numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes, genocide, nuclear policy, and bio warfare. He received a PHD in political science from Harvard University.

cutthemdown
01-01-2013, 06:45 PM
Considering it wasnt too long ago the British sent warships to South America to protect the Falklands I'd say they need to be included. They fight to keep the rich oil reserves around island to this day.

Really its worst then Israel keeping land because the British dont need that island to live on.

W*GS
01-01-2013, 07:13 PM
Oh gaffe...

What's Venus?

When was America at its apex, and why?

New Year - show us you got some balls.

DenverBrit
01-01-2013, 09:33 PM
Considering it wasnt too long ago the British sent warships to South America to protect the Falklands I'd say they need to be included. They fight to keep the rich oil reserves around island to this day.

Really its worst then Israel keeping land because the British dont need that island to live on.

Those are Falkland Islanders, not 'Brits' and have lived there since the mid 19th century. It's their choice to remain a democracy and remain protected by the UK. Long before oil was discovered.

The islands are also more than 300 miles from Argentina, so why would those islanders leave their homes?

DenverBrit
01-01-2013, 09:35 PM
How come we don't use drones to bomb India? Can you answer that honestly? Also why not use drones to bomb Venezuala they have oil ya know? Why do some countries get the ax and some don't?

Yes. It's the same reason they don't use drones to bomb Canada. :)

cutthemdown
01-02-2013, 05:40 PM
Yes. It's the same reason they don't use drones to bomb Canada. :)

Exactly. Don't play games with US security and you don't get drones shooting missiles at you or the marines pretending your beaches are Iwo Jima. It's really not that hard to not get bombed. A country really does have to go out of its way to become Americas enemy because basically we just wasnt to trade, buy things, sell things etc.

BABronco
01-04-2013, 11:23 AM
Exactly. Don't play games with US security and you don't get drones shooting missiles at you or the marines pretending your beaches are Iwo Jima. It's really not that hard to not get bombed. A country really does have to go out of its way to become Americas enemy because basically we just want to bomb things, rape things, control things etc.


Tell that to this kid.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/denver-born-teen-killed-in-u-s-drone-attack

You are highly misinformed and deep in the propaganda if you think we are a instrument of good in this world.

Btw fixed the last part for ya.

Blart
01-11-2013, 11:16 AM
Lew Rockwell, awesome site!


Tell me more about how AIDS isn't real.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller26.html
Tell me about how the earth is only a few thousand years old.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi75.html

Thanks Lew Rockwell!


As for protests? I'm afraid, for the first time ever, Lew Rockwell is totally ignorant.

March 21, 2009 - in front of the Pentagon
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/Protest_03_21_2009_01.JPG/800px-Protest_03_21_2009_01.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b1/Protest_03_21_2009_02.JPG/800px-Protest_03_21_2009_02.JPG

March 20th, 2010 - A.N.S.W.E.R Protest - nation-wide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2010-03-20_12-32-53raginggrannies.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/2010-03-20_12-21-08nomorecollateraldamage.JPG



March 19, 2011 - Protest at the White House, New York, San Francisco & Nation Wide:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/258546/thumbs/r-ANTIWAR-PROTESTERS-ARRESTED-large570.jpg
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/19/antiwar-protesters-arrest_n_838031.html


Chicago, 2012. Iraq Veterans toss their medals of honor. (My dad did this with his medals in 1971)
http://www.occupy.com/article/chicago-dispatch-vets-toss-medals-honor-call-nato-summit-disgrace
http://www.occupy.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/field/image/KatieMoore-Chicago.jpeg


http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/15/45/65/3562845/8/628x471.jpg
October 2012, Antiwar protest in Oakland wreaks havoc,
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Oakland-antiwar-protesters-wreak-havoc-3928164.php#photo-3562845

And we'll be there again on May Day 2013.


Now tell me, where are the paleo-conservative and libertarian protests? Oh that's right - you guys don't really care, unless it has to do with privatizing roads.
http://www.salon.com/2011/08/30/lind_libertariansim/

Rohirrim
01-11-2013, 11:36 AM
Lew Rockwell, awesome site!


Tell me more about how AIDS isn't real.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller26.html
Tell me about how the earth is only a few thousand years old.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi75.html

Thanks Lew Rockwell!


As for protests? I'm afraid, for the first time ever, Lew Rockwell is totally ignorant.


And we'll be there again on May Day 2013.


Now tell me, where are the paleo-conservative and libertarian protests? Oh that's right - you guys don't really care, unless it has to do with privatizing roads.
http://www.salon.com/2011/08/30/lind_libertariansim/

Don't blame Obushya. He has bad med days.

Obushma
01-11-2013, 01:31 PM
Lew Rockwell, awesome site!


Tell me more about how AIDS isn't real.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller26.html
Tell me about how the earth is only a few thousand years old.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi75.html

Thanks Lew Rockwell!


As for protests? I'm afraid, for the first time ever, Lew Rockwell is totally ignorant.

March 21, 2009 - in front of the Pentagon
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/00/Protest_03_21_2009_01.JPG/800px-Protest_03_21_2009_01.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b1/Protest_03_21_2009_02.JPG/800px-Protest_03_21_2009_02.JPG

March 20th, 2010 - A.N.S.W.E.R Protest - nation-wide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2010-03-20_12-32-53raginggrannies.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/2010-03-20_12-21-08nomorecollateraldamage.JPG



March 19, 2011 - Protest at the White House, New York, San Francisco & Nation Wide:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/258546/thumbs/r-ANTIWAR-PROTESTERS-ARRESTED-large570.jpg
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/19/antiwar-protesters-arrest_n_838031.html


Chicago, 2012. Iraq Veterans toss their medals of honor. (My dad did this with his medals in 1971)
http://www.occupy.com/article/chicago-dispatch-vets-toss-medals-honor-call-nato-summit-disgrace
http://www.occupy.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/field/image/KatieMoore-Chicago.jpeg


http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/15/45/65/3562845/8/628x471.jpg
October 2012, Antiwar protest in Oakland wreaks havoc,
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Oakland-antiwar-protesters-wreak-havoc-3928164.php#photo-3562845

And we'll be there again on May Day 2013.


Now tell me, where are the paleo-conservative and libertarian protests? Oh that's right - you guys don't really care, unless it has to do with privatizing roads.
http://www.salon.com/2011/08/30/lind_libertariansim/

LMAO you sure are slow Blart Hilarious! IVAW has more libertarian support then liberal. Some of the biggest voices involved in IVAW such as Adam Kokesh, are rabid libertarians. Sorry to burst your fictitious bubble there blart, IVAW is not a pro authoritarian organization, which both the liberal and republican parties represent.

Another LMAO blart, you post this **** and then the **** eaters like Ro come and gobble it up. A.N.S.W.E.R. has no love from the democrat party, its politicaly independent as it's VERY anti-Isreal lobby. You'll find everything from anarchists to marxists at a A.N.S.W.E.R. rally.

Softballs blart...softballs Hilarious! That March 19th protest at the White House, was led by Daniel Ellsberg. Last time I checked, Daniel Ellsberg was anti-authoritarian, anti-Obama, definetly doesnt support the liberals in Washington.

Again, Chicago 2012, IVAW protest....what does this have anything to do with liberals or democrats, not a damn thing. More active duty voted for Ron Paul in 2008, he got double the votes Obama did, you have more libertarians in that crowd then you do liberals, prove it otherwise.

Congrats, October 2012...you posted a link to a bunch of anarchists destroying the city, hardly big goverment liberals.

You just completely failed, least you could have done was posted some code pink, i'd at least of given you some credit. Now, show me again where these liberal democrats are protesting? Hilarious!

Don't blame Obushya. He has bad med days.

Sucks for you boomer, i'll be the one ****ting on you some day.

mhgaffney
01-11-2013, 01:38 PM
Our language has changed. Once upon a time, liberal meant something, stood for something.

I think it was still true to some extent when Bill Clinton entered office. But Clinton sold out for cash.

Today lib'rel is a dirty word. About as bad as neocon.

Blart
01-11-2013, 06:36 PM
LMAO you sure are slow Blart Hilarious! IVAW has more libertarian support then liberal.

That's a very interesting piece of information. Might I ask for your source?


A.N.S.W.E.R. has no love from the democrat party, its politicaly independent as it's VERY anti-Isreal lobby. You'll find everything from anarchists to marxists at a A.N.S.W.E.R. rally.

Pssst... they have anarchists and marxists because they're a leftist organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.#Member_organizations).


Softballs blart...softballs Hilarious! That March 19th protest at the White House, was led by Daniel Ellsberg. Last time I checked, Daniel Ellsberg was anti-authoritarian, anti-Obama, definetly doesnt support the liberals in Washington.

Therefore, he must be a right-wing libertarian.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

(back here in reality, Daniel Ellsberg encouraged people to vote for Obama (http://rootsaction.org/news-a-views/534-progressives-in-swing-states-vote-for-obama).)

Again, Chicago 2012, IVAW protest....what does this have anything to do with liberals or democrats, not a damn thing. More active duty voted for Ron Paul in 2008, he got double the votes Obama did, you have more libertarians in that crowd then you do liberals, prove it otherwise.

I took a couple minutes to read IVAW's mission statement, and am now very interested to see your source citing them as a (mostly) libertarian organization, because:

IVAW supports reparations for Iraq. (to put that in libertarian terms, the fruits of your labor will be taken away by MEN WITH GUNS and given to the moochers)

And they officially resolved to support rights for undocumented immigrants in our own country. (to put that in libertarian terms, AAAH! MEXICANS!!!)


If they're really a bunch of Paulbots, I can only assume there are a few (ok, many) wires crossed, because:

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Requiem
01-12-2013, 10:12 AM
You are a dirty word.

nyuk nyuk
01-16-2013, 06:43 PM
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Retarded garbage. They all own guns and many of them have armed guards. I consider this kind of crap nothing more than the usual lip service for the little people that Hollyweird obliges itself to give. They're also probably unemployed and looking for free publicity.

Over 10,000 dead a year from drunken driving and these guano balls have not a word to say about it except "Pass the Heineken."

nyuk nyuk
01-16-2013, 06:51 PM
Pssst... they have anarchists and marxists because they're a leftist organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.#Member_organizations).

ANSWER was founded by former Attorney General Ramsey Clark who not unsurprisingly served under Jimmy Carter. When I was a leftist I loved the guy. His organization enjoys holding mock "war crimes tribunals" selectively against the US in which the great capitalist hegemon pig is always found guilty on all counts.

Considering the crowd that organization attracts and associates with, it's safe to say Clark is a full-blown Marxist. At least once he went to Colombia with a delegation of other Marxist moonbats (such as Workers World Party members) and posted a picture of himself in pow wow with FARC leadership. FARC is an openly Marxist guerilla insurgency movement which supports itself by drug dealing, arms smuggling, and kidnappings for ransom.

A sister organization of ANSWER is the IAC; the International Action Center. It's all Clark's work and they have the same radical left-wing goals. Their ideals are straight from the rectal chutes of Marx and Engels.

mhgaffney
01-17-2013, 12:59 PM
ANSWER was founded by former Attorney General Ramsey Clark who not unsurprisingly served under Jimmy Carter. When I was a leftist I loved the guy. His organization enjoys holding mock "war crimes tribunals" selectively against the US in which the great capitalist hegemon pig is always found guilty on all counts.

Considering the crowd that organization attracts and associates with, it's safe to say Clark is a full-blown Marxist. At least once he went to Colombia with a delegation of other Marxist moonbats (such as Workers World Party members) and posted a picture of himself in pow wow with FARC leadership. FARC is an openly Marxist guerilla insurgency movement which supports itself by drug dealing, arms smuggling, and kidnappings for ransom.

A sister organization of ANSWER is the IAC; the International Action Center. It's all Clark's work and they have the same radical left-wing goals. Their ideals are straight from the rectal chutes of Marx and Engels.

Ramsey Clark is an activist attorney -- not a Marxist.

When were you a leftist, Nyuk? When you were in your mummy's womb?

nyuk nyuk
01-17-2013, 05:28 PM
Ramsey Clark is an activist attorney -- not a Marxist.

When were you a leftist, Nyuk? When you were in your mummy's womb?

Then why does Clark keep hanging out with Marxists? What was he doing in Colombia hanging out with the FARC? Why do Marxists keep showing up supporting him?

Please tell us you have more than retarded ad hominem to state your case from.

mhgaffney
01-18-2013, 01:37 PM
Then why does Clark keep hanging out with Marxists? What was he doing in Colombia hanging out with the FARC? Why do Marxists keep showing up supporting him?

Please tell us you have more than retarded ad hominem to state your case from.

So what if the FARC likes him? It means nothing.

Marxism is a nearly extinct ideology in our time. No one takes it seriously -- except for chumps like you.

nyuk nyuk
01-18-2013, 08:14 PM
So what if the FARC likes him? It means nothing.

Marxism is a nearly extinct ideology in our time. No one takes it seriously -- except for chumps like you.

So first you deny it and then admit it with a brush-off attitude and a juvenile insult?

And here I just ran fresh out my MENSA apps.

Marxism is not extinct by a longshot. Critical Theory is alive and well on campus and it's base ideology is Marxist class confict theory.

At your age you should know better.