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Kaylore
12-24-2012, 10:55 AM
He is ranked 8th in the nfl. That puts him ahead of the following guys:

Mario Williams
Charles Johnson
Jared Allen
Anthony Spencer
Justin Houston
Shaun Phillips
Tamba Hali
Chris Long
Robert Mathis

He also has six forced fumbles. He had a good game yesterday. Wanted to give him som props. Miller has become a super star, but Dumervil is still balling.

Archer81
12-24-2012, 10:56 AM
Must make it hard for him to walk.

HEYO!

Seriously though, good game for Doom and Von yesterday.

:Broncos:

Jekyll15Hyde
12-24-2012, 11:00 AM
I had to say that I was shocked at this number when I heard it last night. It is a very quiet 11 sacks. Of course that has a little something to do with Von

ZONA
12-24-2012, 11:07 AM
Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.

TheReverend
12-24-2012, 11:09 AM
Still a top 10 pass rusher in he league and one of the best DEs in the bizzzzz. His run stopping woes are extremely exaggerated

crush17
12-24-2012, 11:16 AM
Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.

Totally disagree.

Some good reading for you and others who may share that opinion of Elvis this year:

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/has-elvis-dumervil-been-effective-in-2012

and more...

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fat-camp-why-elvis-dumervil-has-simplified-his-pass-rush-repertoire

Highly suggested reading. May help sway your opinion of his performance this season.

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 11:21 AM
Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.

I disagree with you. He's been very good and a big reason for our defense playing well. He has a lot of preassures and is out performing guys like Jared Allen and Mario Williams.

And I really don't think you're in any position to cricize someone for a thread they started when you started one a few days introducting a website most of us knew about and have been using for half a decade.

ZONA
12-24-2012, 11:38 AM
I disagree with you. He's been very good and a big reason for our defense playing well. He has a lot of preassures and is out performing guys like Jared Allen and Mario Williams.

And I really don't think you're in any position to cricize someone for a thread they started when you started one a few days introducting a website most of us knew about and have been using for half a decade.

You assume most people on the mane knew about it. What 10 people said they've been there before. How many thousands of members are on the mane. You're going to say that most of then knew about it. That's really sticking your neck out.

And I disagree with your disagreement. I said Doom has been good. I don't think he's been SPECIAL. He had 17 sacks in 2009. Doom is a sack specialist, that's what he's paid alot of money to do. Even if he gets 1 more sack next week, 12 sacks is not enough to justify that contract. He needs more. Once again, this is not saying Doom is not good, he's been good, but it's my opinion he's not been as special as he was in 2009. That's the Doom I'd like to see.

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 11:48 AM
You're wrong.

SimonFletcher73
12-24-2012, 11:50 AM
There have been a few times when Elvis would have got a sack had Miller not beat him to the QB. Also the forced fumbles are huge. He should be in the Pro Bowl. His numbers when he was the only disruptive force on a crap line a few years ago mean nothing.

brncs_fan
12-24-2012, 11:54 AM
Not to get off topic but that website had been around for years, referenced by many, and comes up early and often on a lot of Google searches.

Back to the topic. Way to go DOOM!

ZONA
12-24-2012, 11:54 AM
You're wrong.

Wrong about what? That Doom had 17 sacks in 2009? That Doom is a sack specialist? That he's paid lot of money to be said sack specialist? Don't get all butt hurt because I think he could be playing a little better.

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 11:55 AM
Wrong about what? That Doom had 17 sacks in 2009? That Doom is a sack specialist? That he's paid lot of money to be said sack specialist? Don't get all butt hurt because I think he could be playing a little better.

I'm not butt hurt. You're wrong, though.

ZONA
12-24-2012, 11:56 AM
There have been a few times when Elvis would have got a sack had Miller not beat him to the QB. Also the forced fumbles are huge. He should be in the Pro Bowl. His numbers when he was the only disruptive force on a crap line a few years ago mean nothing.

Wow, you're saying Doom's 17 sacks meant nothing? Say that to Dooms face, I bet he would cave your head in for saying that. It's usually HARDER to get sacks when you are the only threat. Teams can game plan for you. Doom hasn't been doubled at all this year. Clueless

crush17
12-24-2012, 11:59 AM
ZONA did you take the time to read either of those blog postings? Just curious.

SimonFletcher73
12-24-2012, 12:03 PM
They mean nothing to your argument that he isn't playing as well as 2009. If he didn't get to the QB that year, who would? Elvis doesn't care what we think. I wouldn't be afraid to tell him he's as good as he was in 2009.

brncs_fan
12-24-2012, 12:09 PM
After his 17 sack season Doom sat out the whole next season with an injury. Since coming back he has increased his sack totals each year and is only 1.5 sacks behind his second bast season as a pro. A number that he probably would have eclipsed already if Miller didn't have 17.5 of his own.

Doom also has 22 Tackle assists, almost twice as many as his next highest year (2011).

His 6 FF are also a career high.

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 12:18 PM
His forced fumbles is also fourth in the NFL.

ZONA
12-24-2012, 12:25 PM
ZONA did you take the time to read either of those blog postings? Just curious.

Yeah, I did. Both seem to make an argument against those who are saying that Doom is having a bad year. I never even came close to saying that. The 2nd article went into much more detail about defensive scheme's and what not. Stating that Doom's stats have regressed a little due to him lining up in that Wide9 that he doesn't bull rush as much as he speed rushes. Maybe, I have seen Doom bull rush quite a bit this year. They also mention that he won't be able to stunt as much because he's lined up so wide. Ok, I can agree with that but just because a guy is lined up wide doesn't mean he's only got 2 choices (speed rush, bull rush). I haven't seen many swim moves this year or spin moves either (if you remember, Freeny lined up wide also and he used a ton of spin moves). But the guy is making a case that Doom's production is down just a bit because of what the team is asking him to do. That's all I said as well. He's playing good, but because he hasn't quite had the sack totals from a few years ago, he just doesn't look quite as special. Again, that's nowhere close to saying what these articles are defending, that some people suggest he's not playing good at all, which is stupid.

brncs_fan
12-24-2012, 12:25 PM
His forced fumbles is also fourth in the NFL.

He is tied for first in the league in safeties.

UberBroncoMan
12-24-2012, 12:27 PM
Wow, you're saying Doom's 17 sacks meant nothing? Say that to Dooms face, I bet he would cave your head in for saying that. It's usually HARDER to get sacks when you are the only threat. Teams can game plan for you. Doom hasn't been doubled at all this year. Clueless

Different position, different scheme, different DC, different role...and Von takes some of his old sacks away.

Archer81
12-24-2012, 12:32 PM
20 sacks or Doom SUCKS!

Boo him!

Boo!

:Broncos:

Vladimir
12-24-2012, 12:33 PM
Doom is doing fine. 11 sacks is nothing to be ashamed of!

brncs_fan
12-24-2012, 12:34 PM
Did you know that despite being selected 252 selections apart in the 2006 draft, Mario Williams (1st pick) Dumerville (253rd Pick) have the exact same number of career sacks at 63.5.

g6matty
12-24-2012, 12:38 PM
IAOF stated a few weeks ago if you take away both games against the chargers dooms pass rush grade is negative. Hes disapeared a lot this year ive been criticle of him this year but he had an ok game yesterday.

ZONA
12-24-2012, 12:39 PM
Different position, different scheme, different DC, different role...and Von takes some of his old sacks away.

Yep, but it goes both ways. Miller does take some of his sacks away but Miller's presence also opens the door as well. That means teams can't double Doom, or chip on him as much as they would like. You can't risk that with #58 out there. Or, you could do as the Browns did, and not even block Miller and let him come in free to destroy your QB, hahaha.

lonestar
12-24-2012, 12:45 PM
Now I have to say I did not re-watch the game or do any rewinds in the game yesterday but, I seemed to notice that late in the game when pickings were good Miller was not on the field and if he was he was not near the QB at all..

Was he hurt i did not see him on the sideline?

a little help please

ZONA
12-24-2012, 12:48 PM
Now I have to say I did not re-watch the game or do any rewinds in the game yesterday but, I seemed to notice that late in the game when pickings were good Miller was not on the field and if he was he was not near the QB at all..

Was he hurt i did not see him on the sideline?

a little help please

I didn't see him get hurt. I noticed as the 4th qrt went along, more starters were phased out. Koppen went out, Clady went out, obviously Manning went out. I still saw Champ, Woodyard and it seemed like most of the defensive starters were in there.

errand
12-24-2012, 12:55 PM
Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.

Sure but add in his forced fumbles and QB pressures and it proves he is a player you better gameplan for.

DBroncos4life
12-24-2012, 01:00 PM
I like how there are 3 non 3-4 DE's or OLB in the top ten in sacks and Doom happens to be one of them yet a poster thinks we shouldn't start a thread praising him :rofl: Sacks are WAY down this year for 4-3 DE's. Right now, last year Jared Allen had 22, Jason Babin had 18, and JPP had 16.5 sacks. Lets look at what those three players have this year. Allen 10, Babin 7, and JPP 6 sacks. Everyone of those guys are down at least 10 sacks. Doom from a 4-3 DE has been pretty much steady outside of the 2008 season. Which is prefect in my book.

errand
12-24-2012, 01:01 PM
Different position, different scheme, different DC, different role...and Von takes some of his old sacks away.

When he had those 17 sacks...wasn't he playing the same role as Miller is now?

Goobzilla
12-24-2012, 01:04 PM
I'm impressed Wolfe has 5. Didn't know what to expect from him this year.

DENVERDUI55
12-24-2012, 01:24 PM
Props to Doom and isn't he the highest paid player on the team?

lonestar
12-24-2012, 01:35 PM
Props to Doom and isn't he the highest paid player on the team?

this year yes..

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 02:20 PM
this year yes..


"You might want to check your math on that."

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/assets/images/imported/BAL/news-articles/2012/12-Dec/week-3/12_ManningOnCaldwell_news.jpg

OBF1
12-24-2012, 02:33 PM
Did you know that despite being selected 252 selections apart in the 2006 draft, Mario Williams (1st pick) Dumerville (253rd Pick) have the exact same number of career sacks at 63.5.

Shame on you! This is the Orangemane, there is no place for facts here.

DBroncos4life
12-24-2012, 02:33 PM
"You might want to check your math on that."

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/assets/images/imported/BAL/news-articles/2012/12-Dec/week-3/12_ManningOnCaldwell_news.jpg

No Doom is.

lonestar
12-24-2012, 02:36 PM
"You might want to check your math on that."

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/assets/images/imported/BAL/news-articles/2012/12-Dec/week-3/12_ManningOnCaldwell_news.jpg

2012 14,000,000 423,000 4,525,000 18,948,000

Vs manning

2012 18,000,000 - - 18,000,000


Just barely but almost a mil.

R8R H8R
12-24-2012, 02:39 PM
The Broncos are #3 against the run and lead the league in sacks. Doom leads all Broncos DL in sacks, and even though he represents 25% of the D line, he does not hurt us against the run. He is playing at a Pro Bowl level.

His sin? He is a Pro Bowl player on a defense with a "once in a decade" game changer, and IMHO, (Miller)is a potential HOF'er when all is said and done. Has Doom been the beneficiary of all the attention that Miller demands? Absolutely, but the point is that he is taking advantage of it and that is why he deserves props.

My best analogy is that Doom is the Scotty Pippen or James Worthy to the defense. And no, I am not comparing Miller to Jordan or Magic, just giving an analogy.

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 02:43 PM
2012 14,000,000 423,000 4,525,000 18,948,000

Vs manning

2012 18,000,000 - - 18,000,000


Just barely but almost a mil.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/834343/manning3_medium.gif

maher_tyler
12-24-2012, 02:45 PM
I'd like to point out that Doom is almost always going up against the LT. Who are generally the other teams best pass protector. He went up against a pro bowler in Joe Thomas yesterday and still had a good game. Not many DEs in the league I'd take over Doom.

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 02:48 PM
I'd like to point out his actual salary is 14 Mil, but he earned himself a bonus this season, so technically he is making more money than Manning but his salary is lower by quite a bit.

Smilin Assassin
12-24-2012, 03:02 PM
You're wrong.

This.

Hard to imagine you're even being serious. We're very fortunate that Elvis is on our team. You'd be able to see just how big of an impact he makes if we had to replace what he brings.

*Knock on wood* Luckily, we don't have to.

Smilin Assassin
12-24-2012, 03:11 PM
You're wrong.

This.

Hard to imagine you're even being serious. We're very fortunate that Elvis is on our team. You'd be able to see just how big of an impact he makes if we had to replace what he brings.

*Knock on wood* Luckily, we don't have to.

Lestat
12-24-2012, 03:40 PM
we need more DL depth as a whole and definitely need a DT to pair up with the young guys and keep improving the D.

Action
12-24-2012, 04:00 PM
Dumervil has been good/great this year and earned his money. He sustained an injury he's most likely been playing through.

I have no idea what this Zona kid is talking about. The problem with forums is, you don't know who has watched all the games. I've personally watched every second of every single game this year including pre-season. Combine that with watching all the interviews every week. I've personally watched every single interview that's been posted on the Broncos website this year...literally.

Doing so, it's a bit ridiculous sometimes to read some of the things people post on here.

There's been many times where Elvis has gotten a better pass rush than Von...and as of late, that's been the case. Yeah, Elvis's pass rush has been more CONSISTANT than Von Miller as of late.

Dumervil's run defense has been good this year, and as a matter of fact, you can't really say anyone's run defense has been bad considering Denver is tied for 2nd in the league in rush defense. JDR has said that the dline and pass rushers have had to adjust to the techniques they're playing. They're playing techniques that put run stopping at priority, and pass rushing second unless it's on obvious passing downs. You can see this when teams pass on first down and how our dlineman are faced up with with the olineman.

"Elvis and Von have both embraced playing with the kind of technique we need them to play with to hold up against the direct run at them," Del Rio said. "You know people are going to do it. They're both guys that despite their size, they play with great leverage and technique, which allows them to play against bigger guys."

extralife
12-24-2012, 04:08 PM
I thought he was really good yesterday. He's an inconsistent player, but most pass rushers are.

ZONA
12-24-2012, 04:13 PM
Dumervil has been good/great this year and earned his money. He sustained an injury he's most likely been playing through.

I have no idea what this Zona kid is talking about. The problem with forums is, you don't know who has watched all the games. I've personally watched every second of every single game this year including pre-season. Combine that with watching all the interviews every week. I've personally watched every single interview that's been posted on the Broncos website this year...literally.

Doing so, it's a bit ridiculous sometimes to read some of the things people post on here.

There's been many times where Elvis has gotten a better pass rush than Von...and as of late, that's been the case. Yeah, Elvis's pass rush has been more CONSISTANT than Von Miller as of late.

Dumervil's run defense has been good this year, and as a matter of fact, you can't really say anyone's run defense has been bad considering Denver is tied for 2nd in the league in rush defense. JDR has said that the dline and pass rushers have had to adjust to the techniques they're playing. They're playing techniques that put run stopping at priority, and pass rushing second unless it's on obvious passing downs. You can see this when teams pass on first down and how our dlineman are faced up with with the olineman.

Hahaha, so funny. You said in your own words that Doom against the run has been good, and his sack totals this year are good. That's exactly what I said but you want to say we don't know what we're talking about.

Any of you think Doom has had a GREAT or FANTASTIC year are just being total homers. He's had a GOOD year and there's nothing wrong with that. Quit being such little bitches just because somebody has a SLIGHTLY different opinion. Good friggen lord you would have thought I said the guy sucks or something they way people react around here.

MagicHef
12-24-2012, 04:14 PM
IAOF stated a few weeks ago if you take away both games against the chargers dooms pass rush grade is negative. Hes disapeared a lot this year ive been criticle of him this year but he had an ok game yesterday.

I do not trust PFF's pass rush ratings. I've compared all of PFF's ratings to wins, and their pass rush ratings are the only one that does not correlate to wins. The raw data they supply (sacks, hits, hurries) does correlate to wins. Their ratings just don't really seem to be based in reality. For example, Elvis (3 sacks, 1 pressure)had a negative pass rush rating in the Cleveland game, while Bannan (0 sacks, 0 hits, 0 pressures) had a positive pass rush rating.

Action
12-24-2012, 04:27 PM
Hahaha, so funny. You said in your own words that Doom against the run has been good, and his sack totals this year are good. That's exactly what I said but you want to say we don't know what we're talking about.

Any of you think Doom has had a GREAT or FANTASTIC year are just being total homers. He's had a GOOD year and there's nothing wrong with that. Quit being such little b****es just because somebody has a SLIGHTLY different opinion. Good friggen lord you would have thought I said the guy sucks or something they way people react around here.

No what's funny is you have no idea what you're talking about.

This is what you said

Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.

Doom is a pass rushing specialist, however we have two on this team and there is a BETTER one on the other side of the field. Combine that with the fact that Dumervil is going up against the best pass blockers of every team... you'd have to be a got damn idiot to think he needs to have 14-16 sacks a season.

Add the fact that EVERYONE on the team is now accountable to stop the run, and if you read what I posted you'd see that Dumervil is ALSO playing techniques to stop the run. IF you watch the games you'd know.

Across from Dumrvil is a candidate for DPOY with pass rushing as his specialty... what the **** makes you think he needs to get 16 sacks a season to make himself great? :rofl:

I mean 11 sacks and 6 forced fumbles (tied for 3rd in the league) doesn't mean anything? :rofl:

And there is one game left... we can talk then but I highly doubt your level of intelligence will change.

I've seen some of your posts around here, you don't watch all the games...if any. You just look at stats.

Go sit outside and get a tan.

Nwp-Apap
12-24-2012, 04:35 PM
Hahaha, so funny. You said in your own words that Doom against the run has been good, and his sack totals this year are good. That's exactly what I said but you want to say we don't know what we're talking about.

Any of you think Doom has had a GREAT or FANTASTIC year are just being total homers. He's had a GOOD year and there's nothing wrong with that. Quit being such little b****es just because somebody has a SLIGHTLY different opinion. Good friggen lord you would have thought I said the guy sucks or something they way people react around here.

Why are you so angry? Just accept that you're wrong and move along.

uplink
12-24-2012, 04:43 PM
Doom is 4th on the all-time broncos list with 63.5 sacks, and will soon pass Pryce (who has 64 sacks).

Still can't believe Simon Fletcher is not in the ring of fame with 97.5 sacks for the broncos. I'd also add Dan Reeves and Shanny in the ring of fame.

lonestar
12-24-2012, 04:45 PM
I'd like to point out that Doom is almost always going up against the LT. Who are generally the other teams best pass protector. He went up against a pro bowler in Joe Thomas yesterday and still had a good game. Not many DEs in the league I'd take over Doom.

Most of his sacks were from the other side of the OL. After 58 disappeared.

lonestar
12-24-2012, 04:47 PM
I'd like to point out his actual salary is 14 Mil, but he earned himself a bonus this season, so technically he is making more money than Manning but his salary is lower by quite a bit.

Whether it be bonus or salary it was all negoiated into the contract and counts as cap value that was all I was looking at.

I'm not so sure that he might not get even more money in incentives.

SouthStndJunkie
12-24-2012, 04:48 PM
Elvis Dumervil has been playing at a high level.

He missed the 2010 season and then started out slowly in 2011, with 0 sacks in his first 5 games.

Since that, he's had 20.5 sacks in his last 24 games....that ranks up there with many of the elite pass rushers.

Dumervil's notched 37.5 sacks in his last 45 games overall.

If 11 sacks and 6 forced fumbles (tied for the Denver single season record) doesn't impress, I don't know what will....plus, I'm sure he'd have several more sacks had Von Miller not arrived a split second earlier, in what forms the baddest pass rushing duo in the NFL this season.

Dumervil's 11 sacks would make him the team leader for 22 other NFL teams this season.

montrose
12-24-2012, 04:50 PM
I seem to remember a few sacks he would've gotten but Von beat me but a split-second.

Anyhow the really question is: how many sacks does DUMERVILLE have?

SouthStndJunkie
12-24-2012, 04:54 PM
There's not much more fun to watch than seeing Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil crashing in the pocket on both sides of the QB and wreaking havoc all day.

SouthStndJunkie
12-24-2012, 04:57 PM
Bottom Line: Denver leads the NFL with 48.0 sacks.

Elvis Dumervil is a major reason for that.

Action
12-24-2012, 04:57 PM
Most of his sacks were from the other side of the OL. After 58 disappeared.

Most of Dumervil's sacks have been from the left side? I'm almost positive this is not the case.

Bacchus
12-24-2012, 05:09 PM
He is ranked 8th in the nfl. That puts him ahead of the following guys:

Mario Williams
Charles Johnson
Jared Allen
Anthony Spencer
Justin Houston
Shaun Phillips
Tamba Hali
Chris Long
Robert Mathis

He also has six forced fumbles. He had a good game yesterday. Wanted to give him som props. Miller has become a super star, but Dumervil is still balling.

DOOM has had a great year. His biggest downfall is that he has to compete with Miller for the sacks. If Miller wasn't a Bronco Doom would probably have 4 more sacks.

Action
12-24-2012, 05:12 PM
Most of Dumervil's sacks have been from the left side? I'm almost positive this is not the case.

I just watched all of Dumervil's sacks outside of 1 and to my surprise, there have been a lot on the left side...more so than I thought. Not all his cases is he getting sacks when Von isn't rushing, but in a lot.

I didn't take a tally but I'd say it's somewhere even (and I didn't see one of the sacks) to maybe half a sack or 1 more sack from the left than right.

Bacchus
12-24-2012, 05:17 PM
I cannot believe the bashers. Does anyone have QB Pressures. I know many games Miller and Doom had few sacks (Baltimore) but there was constan pressure by VonDoom.

Denver is very lucky to have Doom on the team.

Action
12-24-2012, 05:20 PM
I cannot believe the bashers. Does anyone have QB Pressures. I know many games Miller and Doom had few sacks (Baltimore) but there was constan pressure by VonDoom.

Denver is very lucky to have Doom on the team.

No haven't you heard?

He hasn't been that good.

errand
12-24-2012, 06:13 PM
Bottom Line: Denver leads the NFL with 48.0 sacks.

Elvis Dumervil is a major reason for that.

His 11 sacks are 23% of the team's total.....

SouthStndJunkie
12-24-2012, 06:16 PM
His 11 sacks are 23% of the team's total.....

Your point is?

Von Miller's 17.5 sacks are only 36% of the team's total.

The combined pressure those 2 put on the QB are the major factor in the sack total.

Even when they don't get to the QB, they flush him up in the pocket, allowing players like Derek Wolfe to clean up.

errand
12-24-2012, 06:28 PM
Your point is?

Von Miller's 17.5 sacks are only 36% of the team's total.

The combined pressure those 2 put on the QB are the major factor in the sack total.

Even when they don't get to the QB, they flush him up in the pocket, allowing players like Derek Wolfe to clean up.

that was my point.....but feel free to act like I said something I didn't.

baja
12-24-2012, 06:28 PM
Bottom Line: Denver leads the NFL with 48.0 sacks.

Elvis Dumervil is a major reason for that.

What's amazing is to think Doom only has a little over 1/5 of the teams sacks and he has 11. The Broncos are averaging 3.2 sacks a game.

Broncos_OTM
12-24-2012, 07:03 PM
ZONA doom often times is a half second late. Not to mention he faces the better pass rushing tackles all game too. Back away from the crack pipe. Hail doom

Agamemnon
12-24-2012, 07:04 PM
Having Von Miller on the team clearly warps some peoples' perspective. Dumervil has been very good for us all season. And really it should be noted that he generally faces the best pass blocker on the opposing team every play (LT). That's something that Von Miller doesn't have to deal with.

Goobzilla
12-24-2012, 07:14 PM
Elvis gets held more then any pass rusher in the league as well. 11 sacks is pretty damn good

Broncos_OTM
12-24-2012, 07:15 PM
DOOM has had a great year. His biggest downfall is that he has to compete with Miller for the sacks. If Miller wasn't a Bronco Doom would probably have 4 more sacks.
I dont think you can really say that cause without von gets more chips and attention

Bacchus
12-24-2012, 07:31 PM
Your point is?

Von Miller's 17.5 sacks are only 36% of the team's total.

The combined pressure those 2 put on the QB are the major factor in the sack total.

Even when they don't get to the QB, they flush him up in the pocket, allowing players like Derek Wolfe to clean up.

You are right, many of Woodyard and Wolfe's sacks in the middle are in direct relationship to the pressure VonDoom is coming wiht on the edge.

Bacchus
12-24-2012, 07:33 PM
I dont think you can really say that cause without von gets more chips and attention

and Doom is going against the LT of the other team and he is getting his share of chips as well.

Action
12-24-2012, 07:36 PM
Wolfe's 5 sacks this season are nice for a DT (he's listed as a DE but I believe most if not all his sacks are from playing DT.

Anyone know where that ranks amongst rookies?

I mean JJ Watt had 5.5 all of last season and he played all 16 games

Bacchus
12-24-2012, 07:43 PM
Wolfe's 5 sacks this season are nice for a DT (he's listed as a DE but I believe most if not all his sacks are from playing DT.

Anyone know where that ranks amongst rookies?

I mean JJ Watt had 5.5 all of last season and he played all 16 games

Woodyad and JHarris have also done a good job rushing the QB on blitzes. I pray JDR does not go anywhere. Give Denver one more year Jack.

SouthStndJunkie
12-24-2012, 07:47 PM
that was my point.....but feel free to act like I said something I didn't.

I thought you were framing your statement as a negative connotation, as if 23% wasn't enough.

Jetmeck
12-24-2012, 07:49 PM
You assume most people on the mane knew about it. What 10 people said they've been there before. How many thousands of members are on the mane. You're going to say that most of then knew about it. That's really sticking your neck out.

And I disagree with your disagreement. I said Doom has been good. I don't think he's been SPECIAL. He had 17 sacks in 2009. Doom is a sack specialist, that's what he's paid alot of money to do. Even if he gets 1 more sack next week, 12 sacks is not enough to justify that contract. He needs more. Once again, this is not saying Doom is not good, he's been good, but it's my opinion he's not been as special as he was in 2009. That's the Doom I'd like to see.


Agreed on both points.....Doom needs to find another gear for the playoffs and I DID NOT KNOW OF THAT WEBSITE.........

errand
12-24-2012, 08:00 PM
I thought you were framing your statement as a negative connotation, as if 23% wasn't enough.

Oh Ok...Nope was showing Zona that Doom is almost 1/4 of our pass rush...

maher_tyler
12-24-2012, 08:32 PM
I remember before we had Doom we would give a left nut for a guy that could get us 10+ sacks. Now he gets 11 and it's not enough. Only on the Mane.

DBroncos4life
12-24-2012, 08:54 PM
I remember before we had Doom we would give a left nut for a guy that could get us 10+ sacks. Now he gets 11 and it's not enough. Only on the Mane.

I'm sure these idiots long for the good old days like back in 2005 when we had 28 total team sacks and we had a guy with 4 sacks for a team high.

ZONA
12-24-2012, 09:27 PM
No haven't you heard?

Nice work there tool - why don't you quote all of what I said instead of taking snipet and trying to make it look like I said something entirely different then I did. You're a ****in tool.

For the last F'n time. I said Doom has been GOOD but not SPECIAL. So if you're getting your GD panties in a bunch over this then ****in grow up. We all don't have to have the same opinion. Alot of you guys are trying to twist and turn and make it sound like I am saying Doom is a bad player or something. Now I know how some of these celebs feel when the media takes something, changes it, tweaks it, on and on until it looks like something entirely different.

So stick that in the stocking.

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 10:28 PM
"Bah humbug."
-Zona

brncs_fan
12-24-2012, 10:34 PM
Nice work there tool - why don't you quote all of what I said instead of taking snipet and trying to make it look like I said something entirely different then I did. You're a ****in tool.

For the last F'n time. I said Doom has been GOOD but not SPECIAL. So if you're getting your GD panties in a bunch over this then ****in grow up. We all don't have to have the same opinion. Alot of you guys are trying to twist and turn and make it sound like I am saying Doom is a bad player or something. Now I know how some of these celebs feel when the media takes something, changes it, tweaks it, on and on until it looks like something entirely different.

So stick that in the stocking.

Who is getting upset about this but you? You stated your opinion, one must of us have respectfully disagreed with, and it has led to a civil discussion.

Pot<------->Kettle

cutthemdown
12-24-2012, 10:38 PM
The reason hes getting less sacks is hes playing more under control on 1st and 2nd downs IMO. IMO Doom setting the edge this yr better then he ever has. Seriously how many rbs are getting the corner on Dooms side? Sometimes dend wont get a lot of tackles because he is busy setting the edge and preventing the rb from turning the corner.

Doom is playing well IMO.

lonestar
12-24-2012, 10:41 PM
The reason hes getting less sacks is hes playing more under control on 1st and 2nd downs IMO. IMO Doom setting the edge this yr better then he ever has. Seriously how many rbs are getting the corner on Dooms side? Sometimes dend wont get a lot of tackles because he is busy setting the edge and preventing the rb from turning the corner.

Doom is playing well IMO.

certainly more than the one trick pony he was in years past..

kudos to the Doomeister..

baja
12-24-2012, 10:47 PM
I remember a time around here when we were all fans of the same team and we acted like it. We would discuss our Broncos, have friendly disagreements and joke with one another.It was fun to come here. What happened to that place? I see people here saying things to one another they would never say to someone's face. Have people become so fearful and frustrated that they have to say vile things to one another on a message board because there is no fear of reprise. Really what is it? What happened?

lonestar
12-24-2012, 10:59 PM
I remember a time around here when we were all fans of the same team and we acted like it. We would discuss our Broncos, have friendly disagreements and joke with one another.It was fun to come here. What happened to that place? I see people here saying things to one another they would never say to someone's face. Have people become so fearful and frustrated that they have to say vile things to one another on a message board because there is no fear of reprise. Really what is it? What happened?

:thumbs:

Frankly I have never seen that place you spoke of and I've been here off and on since 2003 when I was looking for any bronco info..

would love to see it change.. to a gentler place.. perhaps more quality posters would show up..

baja
12-24-2012, 11:06 PM
:thumbs:

Frankly I have never seen that place you spoke of and I've been here off and on since 2003 when I was looking for any bronco info..

would love to see it change.. to a gentler place.. perhaps more quality posters would show up..

There were plenty of quality posters and quality people but most have been driven off. There are still some left but it used to be like a good neighborhood bar, that's gone now.

ZONA
12-24-2012, 11:07 PM
I remember a time around here when we were all fans of the same team and we acted like it. We would discuss our Broncos, have friendly disagreements and joke with one another.It was fun to come here. What happened to that place? I see people here saying things to one another they would never say to someone's face. Have people become so fearful and frustrated that they have to say vile things to one another on a message board because there is no fear of reprise. Really what is it? What happened?

Well one tries to be civil and it's fine when people argue against your view, and some people have done so on this thread. That's all good, that's what discussion forums are all about. But then the clowns come and take snipets of what you say and work it to frame it as if you are saying something so very different and then call you idiot. I mean, has it come to this, that on this forum, that a person can say they don't think a player is having a great season but a good season and people want to twist that all around like you're trying to run the player out of town or something. I don't really go after people unless they're being an unreasonable ass towards me. Some people think Doom's having a great year, fine, I think he's having a good year. No harm no foul. But some people on this board that's obviously blasphemy and they get all bent. I get too worked up sometimes I admit but usually not until somebody really gets after me and starts with the total nonsense. Then I feel like caving their face in.....hahaa. I know, I have some anger issues sometimes. I deal with it. But this isn't the first time dudes on this board get pissy with each other and it won't be the last either.

No offense meant. I just had an opinion, tried to express it. My apologies to anybody who thought I was being an ass. Was not my intention. But it is 11pm now and Christmas is tomorrow so Merry Christmas to everybody.

That One Guy
12-24-2012, 11:08 PM
There were plenty of quality posters and quality people but most have been driven off. There are still some left but it used to be like a good neighborhood bar, that's gone now.

You're a mockery of a good poster at this point. You're as much a detractor to the general situation as anyone.

baja
12-24-2012, 11:13 PM
:thumbs:

Frankly I have never seen that place you spoke of and I've been here off and on since 2003 when I was looking for any bronco info..

would love to see it change.. to a gentler place.. perhaps more quality posters would show up..

There were plenty of quality posters and quality people but most have been driven off. There are still some left and a few good new ones have shown up but it used to be like a good neighborhood bar, that's gone now.

lonestar
12-24-2012, 11:14 PM
There were plenty of quality posters and quality people but most have been driven off. There are still some left but it used to be like a good neighborhood bar, that's gone now.

As I said every time I came to get info it was the wild wild west. And NO lady saloon keepers to keep it decent.

I live in a place that is cowgirl country probably only 25 bronco fans in the county. So I was desparate to get any facts or news of the broncos.

I know that all the other forums I have been on the same thing happened folks came on and drove the great posters away. Or into not posting just lurking.

Sad for the place. Myself I also have become one of the crowd.
Decided tonight after church that I'm not the guy I want to be. So am going to try and change. Time will tell if I get drug back into the cesspool.

baja
12-24-2012, 11:16 PM
Well one tries to be civil and it's fine when people argue against your view, and some people have done so on this thread. That's all good, that's what discussion forums are all about. But then the clowns come and take snipets of what you say and work it to frame it as if you are saying something so very different and then call you idiot. I mean, has it come to this, that on this forum, that a person can say they don't think a player is having a great season but a good season and people want to twist that all around like you're trying to run the player out of town or something. I don't really go after people unless they're being an unreasonable ass towards me. Some people think Doom's having a great year, fine, I think he's having a good year. No harm no foul. But some people on this board that's obviously blasphemy and they get all bent. I get too worked up sometimes I admit but usually not until somebody really gets after me and starts with the total nonsense. Then I feel like caving their face in.....hahaa. I know, I have some anger issues sometimes. I deal with it. But this isn't the first time dudes on this board get pissy with each other and it won't be the last either.

No offense meant. I just had an opinion, tried to express it. My apologies to anybody who thought I was being an ass. Was not my intention. But it is 11pm now and Christmas is tomorrow so Merry Christmas to everybody.

Sorry Zona my post was not directed at you. You are one of the good guys.

Bacchus
12-24-2012, 11:24 PM
I remember a time around here when we were all fans of the same team and we acted like it. We would discuss our Broncos, have friendly disagreements and joke with one another.It was fun to come here. What happened to that place? I see people here saying things to one another they would never say to someone's face. Have people become so fearful and frustrated that they have to say vile things to one another on a message board because there is no fear of reprise. Really what is it? What happened?

I have noticed that it seems to be the same people over and over.

maher_tyler
12-24-2012, 11:30 PM
Well one tries to be civil and it's fine when people argue against your view, and some people have done so on this thread. That's all good, that's what discussion forums are all about. But then the clowns come and take snipets of what you say and work it to frame it as if you are saying something so very different and then call you idiot. I mean, has it come to this, that on this forum, that a person can say they don't think a player is having a great season but a good season and people want to twist that all around like you're trying to run the player out of town or something. I don't really go after people unless they're being an unreasonable ass towards me. Some people think Doom's having a great year, fine, I think he's having a good year. No harm no foul. But some people on this board that's obviously blasphemy and they get all bent. I get too worked up sometimes I admit but usually not until somebody really gets after me and starts with the total nonsense. Then I feel like caving their face in.....hahaa. I know, I have some anger issues sometimes. I deal with it. But this isn't the first time dudes on this board get pissy with each other and it won't be the last either.

No offense meant. I just had an opinion, tried to express it. My apologies to anybody who thought I was being an ass. Was not my intention. But it is 11pm now and Christmas is tomorrow so Merry Christmas to everybody.

I think many would like to know what exactly a special season for an individual player might be? 11 sacks, 6 forced fumbles and multiple QB pressures. All the while doing a much better job stopping the run and more times than not going up against the other teams best pass protector. If he were the only legit pass rusher we had, im sure he would have more sacks. Not to mention he'd prolly be coming from the right side. He is performing at a pro bowl level.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

Requiem
12-24-2012, 11:39 PM
All the good posters being driven away is a pretty big myth.

broncocalijohn
12-24-2012, 11:55 PM
:thumbs:

Frankly I have never seen that place you spoke of and I've been here off and on since 2003 when I was looking for any bronco info..

would love to see it change.. to a gentler place.. perhaps more quality posters would show up..

LOL! First you need to start with yourself before expecting others to do the same.

Requiem
12-25-2012, 12:00 AM
LOL! First you need to start with yourself before expecting others to do the same.

Teh fActs Is dat you liberool mAroons just don"t get it cuz ou suckin da gubbmint tit. JeSus (not mExican) is the resin for the seaosn. DooDLe.

Taco John
12-25-2012, 01:05 AM
All the good posters being driven away is a pretty big myth.

agree with this. People always remember the past with a silver lining. It was more rough and tumble in 2003 than it is right now. Way more. I'd love to see more analysis, sure. but the people who complain about that the most are the ones that participate the most in angsty threads, and the least in analysis threads...

Taco John
12-25-2012, 01:08 AM
LOL! First you need to start with yourself before expecting others to do the same.



sage words.... ^^^^^^^

Archer81
12-25-2012, 01:31 AM
I've noticed an uptick in quality threads from new/lurker posters. I attribute that uptick to the Broncos actually being one of the NFL's dominant teams. You win, people want to be a part of it, discuss it and have a good time with it. When you are horrible, the fans are generally more dour and doom and gloom. Most people tend to shy away from downers like that.

As for the OP, Elvis and Von are perfect bookends. If Wolfe becomes a good to great inside rusher our pass rush will go from clownshoes strong to redonkulass hercules strong.

:Broncos:

MagicHef
12-25-2012, 01:34 AM
There are a few teams that would welcome Dumervil as their #1 pass rusher, because his 59 pressures this season are more than anyone on their team. These teams are:

Patriots
Jets
Bills
Steelers
Ravens
Browns
Colts
Jaguars
Chiefs
Raiders
Chargers
Cowboys
Eagles
Giants
Packers
Lions
Bears
Falcons
Saints
Seahawks
Cardinals

ZONA
12-25-2012, 02:30 AM
I think many would like to know what exactly a special season for an individual player might be? 11 sacks, 6 forced fumbles and multiple QB pressures. All the while doing a much better job stopping the run and more times than not going up against the other teams best pass protector. If he were the only legit pass rusher we had, im sure he would have more sacks. Not to mention he'd prolly be coming from the right side. He is performing at a pro bowl level.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

First off, Merry Christmas back at ya.

Secondly, to answer your question, to some degree it's perception. But if you look back at the history of the great players in this league, we mostly have go on stats. That's what gets recorded and that's how players are ultimately judged, in the end. If you look at the great QB's in the past, you go by wins, then yards and TD's. That's how QB's are judged. Nobody accounts for the small things they do, such as leadership, and for the things that were not in their control. Let's say QB A had 3 Superbowl victories, 48,000 yards and 400 TD's and QB B had the same amount of Superbowl wins and yards but only had 350 TD's. You would think QB A was the better QB. But if you looked further into it you would see that QB B had 20 dropped TD's passes, 10 TD's called back on penalties not his fault and so on. Those are not kept stats so all you have to go on is what's there. That's why QB A would be considered better. My point is, players are ultimately judged by stats. So for a DE, pressures sure do help your team alot but sacks and tackles are what they are remembered for. Even doing simple things, like taking up 2 blockers to get another guy free, if that's what the coaches asked the player to do, that doesn't show up in the stats. A good player by the defender that helped his team but none the less, nothing in the stats to show that. So if I asked you what year was Richard Dent's best year, you're going to go look up the stats and see how many sacks he had, how many tackles, passes defended, fumbles forced and so on. You won't find pressures, you won't find he held the edge and ran to the sideline giving the RB no room to turn upfield and thus the RB ran out of bounds after a 1 yard gain on 3rd and 5. So if the season ended this last Sunday, the stats as they are, anybody NOT a Broncos fan 10 years from now would look at Dooms stats and say, that was a good season, but not a great season. They're going to want to compare the key stats with what's considered the norm for a great year by a DE. They'll be looking for 16-20 sacks. They won't be looking at the fact Doom held the edge and forced that fast RB inside to the awaiting LB's who got the tackle. So in the end, it's all perception, to some degree.

It's good to debate this but ultimately I'm happy the Broncos are awesome again, playing very good football, winning a ton of games, and have a lagit shot at winning another Superbowl. I'm so ready for that.

Action
12-25-2012, 03:12 AM
First off, Merry Christmas back at ya.

Secondly, to answer your question, to some degree it's perception. But if you look back at the history of the great players in this league, we mostly have go on stats. That's what gets recorded and that's how players are ultimately judged, in the end. If you look at the great QB's in the past, you go by wins, then yards and TD's. That's how QB's are judged. Nobody accounts for the small things they do, such as leadership, and for the things that were not in their control. Let's say QB A had 3 Superbowl victories, 48,000 yards and 400 TD's and QB B had the same amount of Superbowl wins and yards but only had 350 TD's. You would think QB A was the better QB. But if you looked further into it you would see that QB B had 20 dropped TD's passes, 10 TD's called back on penalties not his fault and so on. Those are not kept stats so all you have to go on is what's there. That's why QB A would be considered better. My point is, players are ultimately judged by stats. So for a DE, pressures sure do help your team alot but sacks and tackles are what they are remembered for. Even doing simple things, like taking up 2 blockers to get another guy free, if that's what the coaches asked the player to do, that doesn't show up in the stats. A good player by the defender that helped his team but none the less, nothing in the stats to show that. So if I asked you what year was Richard Dent's best year, you're going to go look up the stats and see how many sacks he had, how many tackles, passes defended, fumbles forced and so on. You won't find pressures, you won't find he held the edge and ran to the sideline giving the RB no room to turn upfield and thus the RB ran out of bounds after a 1 yard gain on 3rd and 5. So if the season ended this last Sunday, the stats as they are, anybody NOT a Broncos fan 10 years from now would look at Dooms stats and say, that was a good season, but not a great season. They're going to want to compare the key stats with what's considered the norm for a great year by a DE. They'll be looking for 16-20 sacks. They won't be looking at the fact Doom held the edge and forced that fast RB inside to the awaiting LB's who got the tackle. So in the end, it's all perception, to some degree.

It's good to debate this but ultimately I'm happy the Broncos are awesome again, playing very good football, winning a ton of games, and have a lagit shot at winning another Superbowl. I'm so ready for that.

No matter how you look at it, you are wrong. Can imagine sitting across from John Elway, being in a serious discussion, and saying that Dumervil is not that good? Can you imagine telling him you don't think that Dumervil is having that great of a season? What do you think his reaction would be.

Now in regards to your complete jibberish and garbage of a post...it has got to be one of the most insanely, idiotic things... well this guy can say it better than me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

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Action
12-25-2012, 03:16 AM
There are a few teams that would welcome Dumervil as their #1 pass rusher, because his 59 pressures this season are more than anyone on their team. These teams are:

Patriots
Jets
Bills
Steelers
Ravens
Browns
Colts
Jaguars
Chiefs
Raiders
Chargers
Cowboys
Eagles
Giants
Packers
Lions
Bears
Falcons
Saints
Seahawks
Cardinals

Yeah...thats 21 teams or 66% of the teams of the league.

This further lays out the evidence than Zona is a complete ______________.

BroncoBuff
12-25-2012, 03:58 AM
Doom has been good, not special but good. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.

Come on ... You know how many guys get 14-16 sacks in a season? Maybe 3 or 4 a year on average ... 16 sacks are enough to lead the league sometimes.

Great thread. Elvis has somehow become under-appreciated, how is that possible? This season looks like his 3rd straight Pro Bowl (minus injury year). Elvis led the Broncos in sacks 4 straight years starting as a rookie, then hurt in 2010, Von in 2011. Like I always say, you're either born to sack or you're not ... and he was born to.

Yeah, but what has he done for us lately, right?

BroncoBuff
12-25-2012, 04:03 AM
Just checked the numbers, and it appears that Charles Johnson of the Panthers leads the league with 7 Forced Fumbles, and Elvis Dumervil is tied for #2 with John Abraham and .......... Von Miller!

We're lucky we locked him up long term before his agent started shopping him to 3-4 teams ... he might've set a record free agent contract.

jutang
12-25-2012, 07:40 AM
Zona reminds of that dad who is never pleased with their kid. Getting into Yale is ok, but Harvard is better. Everyone here giving Zona an overly hard time with his assessment is working out repressed daddy issues.

DENVERDUI55
12-25-2012, 09:17 AM
Just checked the numbers, and it appears that Charles Johnson of the Panthers leads the league with 7 Forced Fumbles, and Elvis Dumervil is tied for #2 with John Abraham and .......... Von Miller!

We're lucky we locked him up long term before his agent started shopping him to 3-4 teams ... he might've set a record free agent contract.

You must be talking about DL and LB because I know Charles Tillman leads league in forced fumbles. I think hr tied or has the single season record with 10.

McDman
12-25-2012, 09:40 AM
We have to remember that a few sacks have been taken from Doom from Miller's ridiculous speed off if the edge.

errand
12-25-2012, 09:46 AM
I remember a time around here when we were all fans of the same team and we acted like it. We would discuss our Broncos, have friendly disagreements and joke with one another.It was fun to come here. What happened to that place? I see people here saying things to one another they would never say to someone's face. Have people become so fearful and frustrated that they have to say vile things to one another on a message board because there is no fear of reprise. Really what is it? What happened?


LOL

Let he that has no sin cast the first stone......

The difference is clowns put certain players before the team.....and when that player is ripped or criticized, it causes an irrational emotional response by the one who likes/loves said player.

For instance, we had one poster on here actually call this team classless, and said "F the Broncos", that he was through with them all because he was butt hurt that Tim Tebow might be traded after we signed Peyton Manning.

bowtown
12-25-2012, 10:01 AM
All the good posters being driven away is a pretty big myth.

One still perpetuated by pretty much only Baja.

BroncoBuff
12-25-2012, 10:04 AM
You must be talking about DL and LB because I know Charles Tillman leads league in forced fumbles. I think hr tied or has the single season record with 10.

Sorry, that's why I said "it appears," thought maybe I was missing somebody.

NFL.com's stats have a new geometric display I cpuldn't figure out (http://www.nfl.com/stats/statslab?icampaign=statsLab_Nav). Tillman didn't pop up for me because he's not in the top 50 sack leaders where I started. Anyway, here's the correct list:


http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8392/17336842.jpg


2 guys in the top 5 looks great, but it hasn't helped us much ... couple weeks ago there was a thread detailing how "unlucky" the Broncos are because we recover the lowest % or near the lowest % of fumbles.

lonestar
12-25-2012, 11:39 AM
LOL! First you need to start with yourself before expecting others to do the same.

One starts with one foot in front of the other. I've started my journey.

I know that many are doomed forever to be, well less than stellar human beings.

Those I can not help other than ignore their childish posts with the IGGY function.

Now how about you, what are you going to do about making this a better place to spend time?

lonestar
12-25-2012, 11:43 AM
I've noticed an uptick in quality threads from new/lurker posters. I attribute that uptick to the Broncos actually being one of the NFL's dominant teams. You win, people want to be a part of it, discuss it and have a good time with it. When you are horrible, the fans are generally more dour and doom and gloom. Most people tend to shy away from downers like that.

As for the OP, Elvis and Von are perfect bookends. If Wolfe becomes a good to great inside rusher our pass rush will go from clownshoes strong to redonkulass hercules strong.

:Broncos:

I'm not sure Wolfe has to be great. Just relentless and stop the run consistently while pushing the OL back into the pocket just bit. . Enough to stop the QB from stepping up into it away from Von/Doom.

Getting another guy like him would really help in rotational situations.

ZONA
12-25-2012, 11:51 AM
Yeah...thats 21 teams or 66% of the teams of the league.

This further lays out the evidence than Zona is a complete ______________.

There you go, way to remain classless on Christmas day newbie. Even when somebody uses apologies and tries to take things in a nicer direction, you have guys like yourself that just can't seem to go along. Great work, I'm sure you'll be a lovely addition to this board.

Requiem
12-25-2012, 12:42 PM
One starts with one foot in front of the other. I've started my journey.

I know that many are doomed forever to be, well less than stellar human beings.

Those I can not help other than ignore their childish posts with the IGGY function.

Now how about you, what are you going to do about making this a better place to spend time?

You continue to put down others in attempt to elevate yourself above them. If you really wanted to actually change and be a grown up and a good Christian, you would apologize to everyone you have pissed on here. Except you aren't a man or adult enough to do that. Never will be.

dsmoot
12-26-2012, 07:49 AM
Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.

In today's pass happy NFL, this is inaccurate. A guy who can get to the QB 11+ times consistantly and be passable in the running game will always be in demand. 14 -16 sacks is great on anybodies scale. I actually think his play against the run has improved even though it won't get him a pro bowl.

Kaylore
12-26-2012, 08:15 AM
I would like to point out this thread is 5 pages long, which proves it in fact was "worth creating a thread about" since it has drawn a lot of people and created a lively discussion.

ayjackson
12-26-2012, 08:44 AM
I remember a time around here when we were all fans of the same team and we acted like it. We would discuss our Broncos, have friendly disagreements and joke with one another.It was fun to come here. What happened to that place? I see people here saying things to one another they would never say to someone's face. Have people become so fearful and frustrated that they have to say vile things to one another on a message board because there is no fear of reprise. Really what is it? What happened?

Shanahan got fired. It's been a clusterf*ck ever since. It's kept me away.

TheReverend
12-26-2012, 08:46 AM
I would like to point out this thread is 5 pages long, which proves it in fact was "worth creating a thread about" since it has drawn a lot of people and created a lively discussion.

By this standard, Hillis is insanely valuable.

crush17
12-26-2012, 09:05 AM
LOL

Let he that has no sin cast the first stone......

The difference is clowns put certain players before the team.....and when that player is ripped or criticized, it causes an irrational emotional response by the one who likes/loves said player.

For instance, we had one poster on here actually call this team classless, and said "F the Broncos", that he was through with them all because he was butt hurt that Tim Tebow might be traded after we signed Peyton Manning.

Win.

Kaylore
12-26-2012, 09:09 AM
By this standard, Hillis is insanely valuable.

go_denethor thinks so.

bowtown
12-26-2012, 09:12 AM
By this standard, Hillis is insanely valuable.

Those were the days... all the good threads on this board are gone now.

Kaylore
12-26-2012, 09:13 AM
Those were the days... all the good threads on this board are gone now.

:rofl:

Drek
12-26-2012, 11:04 AM
Doom has been good, not special but good. He has improved his run defense but not enough. If you're on the team primarily because you're a "sack specialist" then you probably better have something like 14-16 sacks on the season. Don't think his play deserved a praise thread though. He hasn't been that good.

Michael Strahan had 4 of those 14+ sack seasons in his 14 season career.

Reggie White only put up 14+ sacks in 7 of his 15 seasons.

Julius Peppers has only done it once in 10 seasons, that one time was 14.5.

Joey Porter did it once in 12 years.

James Harrison has done it once in 10.

Terrell Suggs has done it once, barely with 14.0 sacks, in 9 years.

Jared Allen has done it 4 times in his 8 year career.

See how crazy your standard is?

Breaking double digits is the mark of a sack specialist. That pushes you over a sack every other game, meaning he's a better than 50/50 bet to get one any given week.

Doom is a sack specialist on par with the majority of his peers. His he Jared Allen? No, but Miller is and Doom is still producing. That's a rare tandem to find.

ZONA
12-26-2012, 01:12 PM
Michael Strahan had 4 of those 14+ sack seasons in his 14 season career.

Reggie White only put up 14+ sacks in 7 of his 15 seasons.

Julius Peppers has only done it once in 10 seasons, that one time was 14.5.

Joey Porter did it once in 12 years.

James Harrison has done it once in 10.

Terrell Suggs has done it once, barely with 14.0 sacks, in 9 years.

Jared Allen has done it 4 times in his 8 year career.

See how crazy your standard is?

Breaking double digits is the mark of a sack specialist. That pushes you over a sack every other game, meaning he's a better than 50/50 bet to get one any given week.

Doom is a sack specialist on par with the majority of his peers. His he Jared Allen? No, but Miller is and Doom is still producing. That's a rare tandem to find.

The standard is not crazy. What's crazy is that you think that just because those guys were all each fantastic players that every single season they played surely must have been a fantastic season. You know, it is possible that fantastic players can have good seasons also. But the mere fact that now and then these types of players rise up and have fantastic seasons, that is the bar for a "fantastic" season.

But what are we talking about here? Very small difference between a good year and fantastic year. We're not that far apart in how we view Doom's season this year. You think it's fantastic, you think it's one for the ages, I think it's a good season.

Kaylor - we've hit 6 pages and going strong :thumbsup:

cutthemdown
12-26-2012, 01:31 PM
I remember a time around here when we were all fans of the same team and we acted like it. We would discuss our Broncos, have friendly disagreements and joke with one another.It was fun to come here. What happened to that place? I see people here saying things to one another they would never say to someone's face. Have people become so fearful and frustrated that they have to say vile things to one another on a message board because there is no fear of reprise. Really what is it? What happened?

The Hollow Man syndrome.

cutthemdown
12-26-2012, 01:34 PM
I dont think you can really say that cause without von gets more chips and attention

I still see Miller come totally unblocked sometimes. You almost never see that from the dend spot doom plays.

ZONA
12-26-2012, 02:13 PM
I still see Miller come totally unblocked sometimes. You almost never see that from the dend spot doom plays.

Well, you don't know the blocking assignments so you can't really say that. In the last game, when Miller rushed free, that was a blown assignment, you could clearly see that.

MagicHef
12-26-2012, 02:14 PM
Sacks per game:

Ware: 0.87
White: 0.85
Allen: 0.82
Thomas: 0.75
Matthews: 0.73
B Smith: 0.72
L Taylor: 0.72
Dumervil: 0.71
Abraham: 0.70
Greene: 0.70
Wake: 0.70
Dent: 0.68
Strahan: 0.66
Peppers: 0.66
Doleman: 0.65
Randle: 0.63
J Taylor: 0.60
Orakpo: 0.60
Umenyiora: 0.59
Hali: 0.57
Suggs: 0.57
Harrison: 0.48
Tuck: 0.44

Doom is way, way up there. This season he's been at 0.73, better than his career average.

For comparison, some of the new guys are going crazy:

A Smith: 1.08
Miller: 0.97
Watt: 0.84
Houston: 0.50

We're watching an all-time historic duo.

bronco militia
12-26-2012, 02:19 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I notice Doom the most in the 4th quarter. IMO, he's the broncos best pass rusher late in games.

R8R H8R
12-26-2012, 03:24 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I notice Doom the most in the 4th quarter. IMO, he's the broncos best pass rusher late in games.

Agreed. But is it because teams are falling behind and have to start throwing every down, or is it because he steps it up in clutch time? Probably a bit of both.

Atwater His Ass
12-26-2012, 03:56 PM
Agreed. But is it because teams are falling behind and have to start throwing every down, or is it because he steps it up in clutch time? Probably a bit of both.

I think it has more to do with Doom not having to worry as much, if at all, about run stopping duties or anything else except getting to the QB. In those situations he gets to be one-dimensional, and it's the dimention he's best at.

For me I see Doom working hard most games. He seems a lot more aware than before in areas such as defending screens and draws. Although he does still get pushed past the QB by the OT a little more than I like, haivng Doom and Miller on this team is fantastic. If we could get a legitimate inside rush from the DT position just imagine how much better this pass rush could be. I think most of Wolfe's sacks have come when he was playing outside.

TheReverend
12-26-2012, 04:25 PM
Must make it hard for him to walk.

HEYO!

Seriously though, good game for Doom and Von yesterday.

:Broncos:

First post in the thread and still the best in the thread.

baja
12-26-2012, 04:51 PM
So how much does he make per sack?

lonestar
12-26-2012, 05:33 PM
So how much does he make per sack?

Right now a bit over $1,700,000.00 per sack. At 11 sacks.

That is lot of scheckles.

Goobzilla
12-26-2012, 05:39 PM
Is "Pro Bowl, Bitch!" an acceptable answer to this argument? LOL

Rock Chalk
12-26-2012, 05:44 PM
Yeah, I dont really know who you are, clearly you are a n00b here on this forum but let me educate you.

Everyone here watches every second of every game unless there is some catastrophic family emergency. (I missed the NE game this year because of one such catastrophic family emergency).

Also, everyone here is a de facto football genius and knows better than anyone who is actually employed by the NFL how to run a football organization. They are better at making draft picks, better at calling plays, better at evaluating who should start and better at adjustments after halftime.

Now, you seem to be up to speed on the state of affairs on the Orangemane. Please continue.
Dumervil has been good/great this year and earned his money. He sustained an injury he's most likely been playing through.

I have no idea what this Zona kid is talking about. The problem with forums is, you don't know who has watched all the games. I've personally watched every second of every single game this year including pre-season. Combine that with watching all the interviews every week. I've personally watched every single interview that's been posted on the Broncos website this year...literally.

Doing so, it's a bit ridiculous sometimes to read some of the things people post on here.

There's been many times where Elvis has gotten a better pass rush than Von...and as of late, that's been the case. Yeah, Elvis's pass rush has been more CONSISTANT than Von Miller as of late.

Dumervil's run defense has been good this year, and as a matter of fact, you can't really say anyone's run defense has been bad considering Denver is tied for 2nd in the league in rush defense. JDR has said that the dline and pass rushers have had to adjust to the techniques they're playing. They're playing techniques that put run stopping at priority, and pass rushing second unless it's on obvious passing downs. You can see this when teams pass on first down and how our dlineman are faced up with with the olineman.

Rock Chalk
12-26-2012, 05:47 PM
Well, you don't know the blocking assignments so you can't really say that. In the last game, when Miller rushed free, that was a blown assignment, you could clearly see that.

What he is saying, and what your dumbass fails to grasp, is that LT's don't blow their assignment when their assignment is one of the best pass rushers from the DE spot in the league.

And yet Doom beats his man on more passing plays than not. Whether that is a sack is irrelevant. DOOM IS BEATING HIS MAN MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ON PASSING PLAYS.

And, from one of the posters above, Doom is a top 10 pass rusher ALL TIME in sacks per game played.

Yet, he's not praise worthy to Zona.

God damn can you be a bigger ****ing douche bag?

MagicHef
12-27-2012, 01:38 PM
What he is saying, and what your dumbass fails to grasp, is that LT's don't blow their assignment when their assignment is one of the best pass rushers from the DE spot in the league.

And yet Doom beats his man on more passing plays than not. Whether that is a sack is irrelevant. DOOM IS BEATING HIS MAN MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ON PASSING PLAYS.

And, from one of the posters above, Doom is a top 10 pass rusher ALL TIME in sacks per game played.

Yet, he's not praise worthy to Zona.

God damn can you be a bigger ****ing douche bag?

That's not a definitive list, that's just a bunch of guys I could think of. So, I went ahead and made a list of everyone in the NFL with at least 50 career sacks.

Elvis, at 0.71 sacks per game, is 7th behind only DeMarcus Ware, Reggie White, Jared Allen, Derrick Thomas, Lawrence Taylor, and Bruce Smith.

Also, if Kevin Greene gets elected (he is a finalist this year), every eligible player that has at least 0.70 sacks/game will be in the Hall of Fame.

Doggcow
12-27-2012, 02:16 PM
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That is all

fontaine
12-28-2012, 05:44 PM
Am I insane for thinking we should sign Anthony Spencer and turn him into a full time strong side DE?

Drek
12-28-2012, 07:04 PM
Am I insane for thinking we should sign Anthony Spencer and turn him into a full time strong side DE?

Wolfe, Ayers, and Malik Jackson are holding that job down pretty well with some strong competition, I'd rather keep letting them fight it out. Really looking forward to what those three could do next season when Jackson and Wolfe have a full year under their belt.