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Bronco Rob
12-22-2012, 07:38 PM
We won it last year with out Manning and the rest of the division has regressed. Face it. The AFC West is weaker than you know who's tripping over his dog excuse. We still have Jack Del Rio, all the same FA's, yes the draft would have been different but for the sake of argument try and keep it simple. The million dollar question...our qb... would it have really mattered to win the west?




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Mogulseeker
12-22-2012, 07:48 PM
Is Ozzy, Orton or Tebow starting?

spdirty
12-22-2012, 07:50 PM
I'm glad we have Manning and we're 11-3.

Hamrob
12-22-2012, 07:51 PM
I don't think so. For one, I don't think we could have had the same success as we did last year with Tebow. And, from what I've seen of Tebow in NY. I don't think he improved year over year.

If I were coaching Tebow....I would force him to change his body. He would need to become faster and more nimble....higher reps, less weight....concentrate on passing...not running and weight lifting.

I'm still a huge Tebow fan......but, I don't think he would have scared anyone this year...and who else would have played QB for us??

baja
12-22-2012, 07:53 PM
But we do have Payton Manning.

Bronco Rob
12-22-2012, 07:55 PM
Who said that Tebow would still be the qb?

BroncoMan4ever
12-22-2012, 08:27 PM
Caleb Hanie could have won us the AFC Worst this year

Bacchus
12-22-2012, 08:40 PM
It's imposible to tell. The players Denver signed might not have signed with Denver. The players denver drafted might not have been drafted. If Manning wasn't here Denver probably would have drafted a QB in the first round.

enjolras
12-22-2012, 08:41 PM
Assuming that everything in the draft and free agency played out the same way. The only difference being we kept Tebow and didn't get Manning.

Then yes. I think Osweiler would have started as Rookie and we still win 8 games.

BroncoFox
12-22-2012, 08:57 PM
I think maybe we would have. Even probably. Only because our division is just so awful. But I don't think we would have won into the playoffs, and certainly not the SB, and I think we do have a very solid chance of doing so this year.

Having a Manning makes the entire team better. Special teams, we get up the field further, and our kicker can pin them deep. Defense, we get ahead, and we can actually pass rush, since they will be passing more, not rushing. Just having one player can change the entire team.

So it would not have mattered had we won the division. We'd have still been either one and done, or definitely two and done. Now we have an actual chance to win it all.

rbackfactory80
12-22-2012, 08:57 PM
lol 6 games wins it, I'd say yes.

Bacchus
12-22-2012, 09:20 PM
lol 6 games wins it, I'd say yes.

Not really, SD beats Denver in SD and KC and Oakland probably beat Denver at home as well.

NFLBRONCO
12-22-2012, 09:24 PM
Reason I say no is the SD game. Down 24-0 we would have been blown out in SD instead of major comeback. Might have turned SD's season around enough to win afc west.

baja
12-22-2012, 09:42 PM
This just in they found a Mayan calendar tablet that has the entire 2013 year on it so the end of the world will be Dec. 21 2013.

extralife
12-22-2012, 10:24 PM
I feel like we single-handedly imploded the Charger's season (it's a nice feeling), and I don't think that happens without Manning. so probably not?

Archer81
12-22-2012, 10:32 PM
Saw a blurb on NFLN that if Denver did not sign Manning, we would have drafted Weeden. But considering the mess the rest of the AFC West is in, then yes. More than likely we would have won it anyway.

:Broncos:

errand
12-22-2012, 10:36 PM
We won it last year with out Manning and the rest of the division has regressed. Face it. The AFC West is weaker than a S.O.B. tripping over his dog excuse. We still have Jack Del Rio, all the same FA's, yes the draft would have been different but for the sake of argument try and keep it simple. The million dollar question...our qb... would it have really mattered to win the west?




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Hard to say if we would be in contention. Given how the rest of the AFC West has sucked, sure why not...but we wouldn't be 11-3..of that I can confidently say would be true...

perhaps if everyone but Manning were here as this defense is definitely playing much better this season.....but if the offense was still prehistoric like it was, who knows?

however you have to realize that had we not changed QB's, offensive players like Tamme, Dreesen and Stokley probably do not sign here as they like catching footballs...lots of them, and with the other guy under center, that just wasn't going to happen. As for the defensive free agents like Porter, etc...who knows...maybe they come here due to Del Rio.

All I know is I'm glad how things turned out....signing Manning, getting rid of the circus, getting Del Rio to be our DC...etc.

gunns
12-23-2012, 07:50 AM
I'd say yes, because this division is so damn bad. We have something this year that we had last year and it's improved, a defense. Defense was an intregal part of how far we went last year. If the defense hadn't kepts some of those games so close Tebow never would have pulled off his "miracles". But Peyton gives us that much needed umph to get to the SB.

lonestar
12-23-2012, 08:06 AM
Reason I say no is the SD game. Down 24-0 we would have been blown out in SD instead of major comeback. Might have turned SD's season around enough to win afc west.

Was about to post the exact same thing. That game was the turning point for two teams. One up the other into a spiral.

ColoradoDarin
12-23-2012, 08:18 AM
Maybe, we'd have to have a few lucky things happen like last year.

But I doubt we win the SD game down 24-0 and I doubt we win the KC game either. 2 more losses for us, easily and I'm sure we'd probably drop another game or 2. We'd still have a shot at it, just because the other teams are so bad. Most likely 7-9 would win the division. I'd rather be sitting at 11-3 and #2 seed.

Jesterhole
12-23-2012, 08:20 AM
Of course. At the least, Tebow would be one year better, and our defense would still be worlds better. This division is putrid, easily the worst in the NFL. Cheaps, Faid and Sandy are all laughing stocks this year.

Hamrob
12-23-2012, 08:41 AM
Who said that Tebow would still be the qb?The only way they were able to get rid of Tebow without a major uprise from fans...was by getting a guy like Manning....who nobody could question the decision.

No Manning.

Tebow would have been our starter in 2012.

Br0nc0Buster
12-23-2012, 08:42 AM
Of course. At the least, Tebow would be one year better, and our defense would still be worlds better. This division is putrid, easily the worst in the NFL. Cheaps, Faid and Sandy are all laughing stocks this year.

dude Manning or no Manning Tebow was not going to be the qb of this team this year

I heard the rumors that we liked Weeden as well, but I am sure how much stock can be put into those

All I heard pre draft was how much we loved that Miami RB(forgot his name)

So the answer is yes we still most likely would of won the division

We have the best defense and are the best overall team

Crushaholic
12-23-2012, 08:45 AM
Manning's leadership has won us a few games, including San Diego and Kansas City. We would have folded, like a cheap tent, in the face of adversity. His ability to move the chains kept the defense rested, and ready to dominate...

Bronco Rob
12-24-2012, 05:25 AM
We could have won the west with Tom Brandstater.

rbackfactory80
12-24-2012, 05:52 AM
Not really, SD beats Denver in SD and KC and Oakland probably beat Denver at home as well.

Tebow swept them on the road last year.

BroncoBeavis
12-24-2012, 06:00 AM
Tebow swept them on the road last year.

Comical ain't it. And I think even outside Manning ours is the only team that really improved from last year.

BroncoBeavis
12-24-2012, 06:02 AM
Manning's leadership has won us a few games, including San Diego and Kansas City. We would have folded, like a cheap tent, in the face of adversity. His ability to move the chains kept the defense rested, and ready to dominate...

Yeah because if we saw anything last year it was how we always closed up shop whenever we got behind. LOL

RedskinBronco
12-24-2012, 06:15 AM
hard to say.

I think the chargers despite their flaws might have edged us out. Peyton single handedly demoralized that team and they gave up.

errand
12-24-2012, 08:27 AM
Tebow swept them on the road last year.

But lost to Chiefs in the finale at home with division title was on the line....turning the ball over twice on INT and fumble, not to mention many a 3 and out.

rbackfactory80
12-24-2012, 08:30 AM
But lost to Chiefs in the finale at home with division title was on the line....turning the ball over twice on INT and fumble, not to mention many a 3 and out.

But we weren't talking about that game.

Kaylore
12-24-2012, 09:09 AM
FWIW We have as many wins this season as the entire rest of the AFC West combined.

bombquixote
12-24-2012, 09:39 AM
Without Manning we would be 8-8 or 7-9. So if that gets us the division, then yes.

Bronco Rob
12-26-2012, 11:07 AM
FWIW We have as many wins this season as the entire rest of the AFC West combined.


That's what i'm saying.