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TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-21-2012, 07:20 AM
Our defense is #2 in sacks and #2 against the run, which is nothing short of a remarkable turnaround considering where we were over the last several years. IMO, one of the most important components of this team is Del Rio coordinating the D.

He's also sure to be a head coaching candidate, and even though he had a pretty poor experience in Jacksonville, it would be tough for him to turn down the top job.

What do you think the team needs to do to lock him up, at least for a couple more years?

Paladin
12-21-2012, 07:28 AM
Assistant Head Coach.....

Beantown Bronco
12-21-2012, 07:29 AM
What do you think the team needs to do to lock him up, at least for a couple more years?

Keep winning Super Bowls. Most teams need to fill their spots immediately and aren't willing to wait that long to fill that position. It's obviously not a guarantee that he'd remain "locked up", but it's as close as you can get to one. :)

Drek
12-21-2012, 07:29 AM
Nothing. We can't offer him anything better than he's got already. If he wants to be a HC again he will.

Rohirrim
12-21-2012, 07:30 AM
I don't think you really can lock up coaches anymore. They are always going to have that clause where they can move into a higher position around the league if it's offered to them. It would be nice to throw money at him, but it would be no guarantee.

Broncos_OTM
12-21-2012, 07:32 AM
It would be dissappointing, strike while the irons hot. I have a gut feeling he'll be here a couple more years, provided we dont win the superbowl.

hades
12-21-2012, 07:33 AM
Easy. We need compromising photos we can use against him. :pimp:

ScottXray
12-21-2012, 07:35 AM
Our defense is #2 in sacks and #2 against the run, which is nothing short of a remarkable turnaround considering where we were over the last several years. IMO, one of the most important components of this team is Del Rio coordinating the D.

He's also sure to be a head coaching candidate, and even though he had a pretty poor experience in Jacksonville, it would be tough for him to turn down the top job.

What do you think the team needs to do to lock him up, at least for a couple more years?

The only way to lock him up is to make him Head coach, and or pay him as much as anyone else would at HC with a CO HC title.

He has done a fantastic job for us , and I'd hate to see him leave. The 7th DC in 7 years! We seem unable to keep one , either due to failure, or success.

We have to hope that he has been soured on that type of job for a while and he is satisfied to be where he's at for now. It would be great if he thought that his best role is as a DC, on a team that has a good owner, coach and GM. A super bowl run or two under his belt would also give him even more leverage with other teams, should he want the HC gig.

Drek
12-21-2012, 07:36 AM
It would be dissappointing, strike while the irons hot. I have a gut feeling he'll be here a couple more years, provided we dont win the superbowl.

I think he will be too. Del Rio didn't sound overly anxious to get back to a head coaching gig when he came here last year. Jacksonville was a complete mess for him, but paid him more than enough to live comfortably on.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he's promised to be John Fox's heir apparent if he sticks around. He's 8 years younger, and Fox is already 57 years old.

Kaylore
12-21-2012, 07:37 AM
Keep winning Super Bowls. Most teams need to fill their spots immediately and aren't willing to wait that long to fill that position. It's obviously not a guarantee that he'd remain "locked up", but it's as close as you can get to one. :)

Exactly. Most teams won't wait until February for a guy. The combine is just a few weeks away, they'll want their staff totally assembled before then. If we can find a way to keep winning and go deep, it reduces the liklihood of our coaches getting poached.

I think McCoy is gone and I think Del Rio stays. I think Del Rio likes his job. I think McCoy will be a very good head coach - better than a coordinator. He sounds like a head coach.

crush17
12-21-2012, 07:44 AM
Fox has said this will be his last head coaching stop in the NFL. I would like to see them work out a deal with Del Rio where he's promised the HC gig once Fox decides to hang 'em up.

That way he can build into the process and keep a lot of continuity. It may seem a bit far fetched but I really feel as though that is an ideal scenario for everyone involved.

Ratboy
12-21-2012, 07:46 AM
I don't see JDR taking off after one season. It would have to be one incredible offer, but I think he digs less responsibility as a DC.

bowtown
12-21-2012, 07:47 AM
Pull the old Shanny, "Assistant Head Coach" move.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-21-2012, 07:47 AM
I think the personnel Del Rio has here is also a consideration. It would likely take him quite a bit of time to put together a defense (let alone an offense) as good as what he has to work with in Denver.

elsid13
12-21-2012, 07:55 AM
The NFL is business of change and he will stay or not. Let stop worrying about tomorrow and just focus on the season.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-21-2012, 08:00 AM
The NFL is business of change and he will stay or not. Let stop worrying about tomorrow and just focus on the season.

I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion board.

That's my bad.

Archie
12-21-2012, 08:01 AM
I think the promise of HC of the Future is not usually a good thing. Creates weird politics in the coaching ranks, players, etc... See Holmgren and Mora in Seattle a couple of years ago. That was a horrid disaster for that organization.

Best recommendation was ensure a super quality organization bent on winning a couple of super bowls and the hope that he wants to plant here for a bit and be a key part of that with a name your price option at the end of it. Or better yet he takes the Joe Collier approach and decides he wants to be a DC for the rest of his career.

Finally, what's to say that he would be a good HC here. He was not in Jacksonville. Lots of amazing coordinators or coaches who made really bad head coaches. Wade Phillips is a classic example as well as the aforementioned Collier.

BroncoInferno
12-21-2012, 08:02 AM
A deep playoff run would would go a long way towards solidifying Del Rio as the DC in 2013. Assistants on teams that make a Super Bowl run have a hard time landing HC jobs because the teams that have vacancies don't want to wait around and risk losing out on other candidates.

EDIT: Beantown and Khan beat me to it.

TheReverend
12-21-2012, 08:06 AM
Our defense is #2 in sacks and #2 against the run, which is nothing short of a remarkable turnaround considering where we were over the last several years. IMO, one of the most important components of this team is Del Rio coordinating the D.

He's also sure to be a head coaching candidate, and even though he had a pretty poor experience in Jacksonville, it would be tough for him to turn down the top job.

What do you think the team needs to do to lock him up, at least for a couple more years?

Disagree. People want something shiny and new with Harbaugh/MikeSmith boom potential. Not just a great coordinator with HC mediocrity ie: Wade Phillips/Mike Nolan.

baja
12-21-2012, 08:21 AM
Fox has said this will be his last head coaching stop in the NFL. I would like to see them work out a deal with Del Rio where he's promised the HC gig once Fox decides to hang 'em up.

That way he can build into the process and keep a lot of continuity. It may seem a bit far fetched but I really feel as though that is an ideal scenario for everyone involved.

That's a very good idea. Worked with Kubes for years and Mike was way younger than Fox is now.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-21-2012, 08:22 AM
Disagree. People want something shiny and new with Harbaugh/MikeSmith boom potential. Not just a great coordinator with HC mediocrity ie: Wade Phillips/Mike Nolan.

True, but how many times has Wade been a HC?

mwill07
12-21-2012, 08:29 AM
Exactly. Most teams won't wait until February for a guy. The combine is just a few weeks away, they'll want their staff totally assembled before then. If we can find a way to keep winning and go deep, it reduces the liklihood of our coaches getting poached.

I think McCoy is gone and I think Del Rio stays. I think Del Rio likes his job. I think McCoy will be a very good head coach - better than a coordinator. He sounds like a head coach.

Aren't coordinators for teams that have a bye allowed to interview during that bye week?

Beantown Bronco
12-21-2012, 08:40 AM
Aren't coordinators for teams that have a bye allowed to interview during that bye week?

Pretty sure the team would have to give permission.

NFLBRONCO
12-21-2012, 09:03 AM
I don't see JDR taking off after one season. It would have to be one incredible offer, but I think he digs less responsibility as a DC.

I bet you thought Allen would stay too. JDR is a alot better HC option then Allen was. I expect JDR to move on. If he stays I'll be thrilled.

HAT
12-21-2012, 09:07 AM
JDR isn't going anywhere.....Until Pat Haden fires Kiffin next year, then he'll be a Trojan again.

Drek
12-21-2012, 09:17 AM
True, but how many times has Wade been a HC?

Wade Phillips has only been hired from one team's DC position to another team's HC position once, FYI. When he left SD to go to Dallas. In both NO and ATL he was the interim HC after being the DC for a fired coach. In both Denver and Buffalo he was the DC for several years before getting bumped up to HC.

Del Rio probably has to distance himself from the massive 2011 collapse of the Jags before he's a real strong target.

I'd imagine that teams interested in the DC > HC kind of hire will likely go after Vic Fangio before they want to give Del Rio a second time around.

Kaylore
12-21-2012, 09:20 AM
Wade Phillips has only been hired from one team's DC position to another team's HC position once, FYI. When he left SD to go to Dallas. In both NO and ATL he was the interim HC after being the DC for a fired coach. In both Denver and Buffalo he was the DC for several years before getting bumped up to HC.

Del Rio probably has to distance himself from the massive 2011 collapse of the Jags before he's a real strong target.

I'd imagine that teams interested in the DC > HC kind of hire will likely go after Vic Fangio before they want to give Del Rio a second time around.

The thing is they know the front office he had sucked, so there will be some willingness to look past those failings. Look at Fox. He had the worst record in the league and went right into another head coaching gig.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-21-2012, 09:21 AM
The thing is they know the front office he had sucked, so there will be some willingness to look past those failings. Look at Fox. He had the worst record in the league and went right into another head coaching gig.

There you go.

He was a head coach for 8 years in Jax. You don't stay around for 8 years (or 10 in Fox's case) if you have zero success.

mwill07
12-21-2012, 09:26 AM
would Nolan be a hotter candidate than Del Rio? He's done good things as a DC in multiple stops and is further removed from his HC stint.

Hulamau
12-21-2012, 09:27 AM
Fox has said this will be his last head coaching stop in the NFL. I would like to see them work out a deal with Del Rio where he's promised the HC gig once Fox decides to hang 'em up.

That way he can build into the process and keep a lot of continuity. It may seem a bit far fetched but I really feel as though that is an ideal scenario for everyone involved.

This is the ticket! Pay JDR at near Head coach levels now with Assistant HC or Co-HC .. whatever he and Fox will be happy with and dangle the keys to the full deal as sole HC when Fox hangs it up.

its clear both coaches like stability and want most of all to win! JDR would have to be going solely for the money to jump ship early for some bottom feeder when he has at least a few excellent years with both Peyton and Von Miller to continue excelling around.

Both he and Fox have been long term HCs already. I can imagine what they both want most of all now is to win it all! Starting from scratch with a loser is a very high risk low probability deal for winning Super Bowls anytime soon.

But with what we have brewing now, even if we don't win it all this year ... is a VERY solid team that may be just a couple players away from being truly dominate in all three phases all season long next year and the few there after.

JDR is NOT going to find any place at all with a Peyton, 'DTBlack & Decker', Clady-Orlando-Beadles-Healthy Kuper and with a solid run game already in place and starting to really gel ... PLUS a Von-Doom-Wolfe-Woody-Champ-Harris- and vastly improved up and coming Rahim Moore ( not to mention getting Quinton Carter back next year at safety.

A solid kicking game and overall Special teams to boot.

He would be crazy to move now even for a HC job which he will have his pick of anyway after we win one or two SBs .. or even just go deep into the playoffs a couple years in a row which seems highly likely at the least.

I also think JDR really loves Colorado from his comments and his sons success in HS football here. Why root it all up now on a flyer when he and his family are still getting settled in with some also ran team that needs a ton of work and he will have that kind of stress and crap he didn't like at Jacksonville again.

Here, Jack has one of the better owner-ships and FO in the NFL. adn with Elway in addition to Peyton Von and the rest as a major magnet for attracting and drawing in the most talented FAs over the next couple of years .. just give him a healthy raise now and an Assistant HC-Defense title so it cant be about the money and status alone and then promise the whole team when Foxy decides to ride off into the sunset ... assuming he continues to excel as D coordinator ... and that should do the trick.

I think Fox would be fine with that as well. He is still the final call as far as on the field goes and is the lead voice of the team, but he too has nothing left to prove to anyone but winning a SB or two and what better way to do that than insure stability and consistency with an already proven winning formula!?

They all seem like great friends and long time colleagues so what is not to like?!

Go for it Elway/Bowlen .. make it happen and watch this team become the Pats of the 2000 decade for this next decade .. particularly if Brock develops into a wunderkind after a few years of up close tutelage at Manning University!

Bronco X
12-21-2012, 09:45 AM
I bet you thought Allen would stay too. JDR is a alot better HC option then Allen was. I expect JDR to move on. If he stays I'll be thrilled.

JDR may also have reason to be a lot choosier about where his next head coaching gig was for this very reason. Allen was leaving a team with a conundrum at the QB position and he had every reason to jump at his first head coaching opportunity. JDR was the head coach at Jax for 9 years and he's now in a situation where there's a real 3-4 year window for contending for a title, something he has never won (he left the Cowboys as a player right before they won 3 of 4 Super Bowls). He may not be in such a hurry to find himself back in the sort of situation he was with in Jax.

Dedhed
12-21-2012, 09:48 AM
Nothing. We can't offer him anything better than he's got already. If he wants to be a HC again he will.

Pretty much this. Hollow titles, like assistant HC, are for protecting up and coming coaches. Del Rio will leave if he wants to, and there's nothing we can do about it, really, other than to hope he wants to take a few years off from the head gig.

Wes Mantooth
12-21-2012, 09:58 AM
I think the personnel Del Rio has here is also a consideration. It would likely take him quite a bit of time to put together a defense (let alone an offense) as good as what he has to work with in Denver.

He wouldn't be a trendsetter if he did take off. They are like the Spinal Tap drummer.

Agamemnon
12-21-2012, 10:03 AM
Nothing you can do other than hope he wants to take some time off from being a HC. He really would be a fool to jump back into another bad situation after the way his Jacksonville tenure ended. So hopefully he doesn't just jump at the first offer thrown his way.

lonestar
12-21-2012, 10:04 AM
I think the promise of HC of the Future is not usually a good thing. Creates weird politics in the coaching ranks, players, etc... See Holmgren and Mora in Seattle a couple of years ago. That was a horrid disaster for that organization.

Best recommendation was ensure a super quality organization bent on winning a couple of super bowls and the hope that he wants to plant here for a bit and be a key part of that with a name your price option at the end of it. Or better yet he takes the Joe Collier approach and decides he wants to be a DC for the rest of his career.

Finally, what's to say that he would be a good HC here. He was not in Jacksonville. Lots of amazing coordinators or coaches who made really bad head coaches. Wade Phillips is a classic example as well as the aforementioned Collier.

add Dick Labeua (sp) in PIT and there was Jim Jones in PHL there Defenses are superb and they get loads of recognition and even more respect..

and one hell of a lot less stress.. as his comments were in the article in today's DP.. he does not have to worry about how many carries his RB gets..etc..

Beantown Bronco
12-21-2012, 10:10 AM
would Nolan be a hotter candidate than Del Rio? He's done good things as a DC in multiple stops and is further removed from his HC stint.

Nolan in weeks 1-8 fields top 10 defenses pretty much every year.
Weeks 9-16? Bottom 10.

I wouldn't go near him if I was looking for a DC.

TheReverend
12-21-2012, 10:16 AM
True, but how many times has Wade been a HC?

Three and it took damn near a decade of being one of the best defensive football minds in the league.

Play2win
12-21-2012, 10:19 AM
We locked him up (back to the future) the moment we put John Elway in charge. WTF do you think PFM came here anyway?!?

but, pay the man!!!!!!!!

(so much easier to say pay the man, when it's a coach not a player)

Play2win
12-21-2012, 10:19 AM
Three and it took damn near a decade of being one of the best defensive football minds in the league.

btw- **** off.

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lonestar
12-21-2012, 10:30 AM
one of the rumors has it his kid is going to Bama as a walk on and there seemed to be some interest in him going back to college coaching there..

TheReverend
12-21-2012, 10:31 AM
btw- ****off.

5 star post.

BroncoMan4ever
12-21-2012, 10:50 AM
Del Rio will be a HC again for sure. But I think he got burnt out on it the last few seasons in Jacksonville. I think he is ours at least 1 more year maybe 2

Play2win
12-21-2012, 10:50 AM
5 star post.

:thanku:

Drek
12-21-2012, 12:29 PM
The thing is they know the front office he had sucked, so there will be some willingness to look past those failings. Look at Fox. He had the worst record in the league and went right into another head coaching gig.

He also threw his OC under the bus in a post-game press conference and had rampant speculation about him doing bankers hours during the week that last season. I doubt everyone will just chalk that up to the front office sucking.

Del Rio mentally checked out on the Jags, Fox never did that to the Panthers, that burns bridges.

UberBroncoMan
12-21-2012, 01:02 PM
I'd just offer him a big boost in salary. Something comparable to a HC.

R8R H8R
12-21-2012, 01:03 PM
Most of you have the right idea. Make him the highest paid assist. coach in the NFL, and then a little more for good measure, and then promise him the HC job when Fox retires after a SB or two.

Other than that, not a whole lot more you can do.

R8R H8R
12-21-2012, 01:12 PM
I'd just offer him a big boost in salary. Something comparable to a HC.

I think the highest paid coordinators are making $1 mil. a year. The Broncos can easily double that. Heck, if they pay Joe Mays $4 mil., they can cut Mays and give Del Rio half that at least, maybe more.

Anyway, I am sure Fox and the league's Exec. of the Year are already talking about it.

BroncsRule
12-21-2012, 01:21 PM
doesn't his kid go to that Christian school that just won the 5A state title? And he's a Junior.

My money says Jack stays through next year because of that. We may well loose him next year though.

UberBroncoMan
12-21-2012, 01:42 PM
doesn't his kid go to that Christian school that just won the 5A state title? And he's a Junior.

My money says Jack stays through next year because of that. We may well loose him next year though.

He's a senior and he's decided to walk on at Alabama.

Kaylore
12-21-2012, 01:51 PM
He also threw his OC under the bus in a post-game press conference and had rampant speculation about him doing bankers hours during the week that last season. I doubt everyone will just chalk that up to the front office sucking.

Del Rio mentally checked out on the Jags, Fox never did that to the Panthers, that burns bridges.

Well that cuts both ways. I'd heard that he was lazy too - going back three years. But then you have to let your coordinators do their job and not micromanage. If he did have a work ethic problem, is isn't showing up now. Or maybe under a more old-school, hard-nosed coach like Fox, he has the environment to push to get more out of Del Rio because of the culture he's set up here.

I don't know. I know that Norv freaking Turner after, flailing around with the Raiders, spent one season as the OC for the Niners and immediately was hired as the SD head coach. If Turner can get rehired, Del Rio can.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-21-2012, 02:04 PM
Nolan in weeks 1-8 fields top 10 defenses pretty much every year.
Weeks 9-16? Bottom 10.

I wouldn't go near him if I was looking for a DC.

You do know the last 8 weeks was when McDumbass effectively took over the defense away from Nolan, right?

TheReverend
12-21-2012, 04:13 PM
He also threw his OC under the bus in a post-game press conference and had rampant speculation about him doing bankers hours during the week that last season. I doubt everyone will just chalk that up to the front office sucking.

Del Rio mentally checked out on the Jags, Fox never did that to the Panthers, that burns bridges.

That's not speculation. Definite fact.

cutthemdown
12-21-2012, 04:18 PM
What we haven't really hit on is how having Manning, a players type HC, a great city, stadium and loyal fans is going to help attract FA and maybe keep coaches longer. Del Rio may be sticking around just because he knows Manning makes his job easy. But next offseason Broncos will no longer be asking FA to come visit, or be used to bump up the price of another team.

Vets are going to be asking to come play for the Broncos you watch. If Bowlen was smart he wouldn't waste any time jumping on the best FA next offseason. It makes sense because we will be drafting low.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-21-2012, 04:23 PM
What we haven't really hit on is how having Manning, a players type HC, a great city, stadium and loyal fans is going to help attract FA and maybe keep coaches longer. Del Rio may be sticking around just because he knows Manning makes his job easy. But next offseason Broncos will no longer be asking FA to come visit, or be used to bump up the price of another team.

Vets are going to be asking to come play for the Broncos you watch. If Bowlen was smart he wouldn't waste any time jumping on the best FA next offseason. It makes sense because we will be drafting low.

I would think FAs would look at Elway first. Manning is only here for a few more years at best. Elway is here longer. Players see the broncos record and realize it has something to do with Elway too. So far he's done a fabulous job and players see that. They want money, but they also want to be around a winning atmosphere.

cutthemdown
12-21-2012, 04:35 PM
I would think FAs would look at Elway first. Manning is only here for a few more years at best. Elway is here longer. Players see the broncos record and realize it has something to do with Elway too. So far he's done a fabulous job and players see that. They want money, but they also want to be around a winning atmosphere.

I think I did say vets. My thinking is a lot of great FA only have 2-3 prime yrs left and they want to win. Most prime FA already made money and now just want a fair shot at winning. Sure some of the ones who have yet to get a big payday most likely only care about what team has enough cap room.

Drunken.Broncoholic
12-21-2012, 04:41 PM
I think I did say vets. My thinking is a lot of great FA only have 2-3 prime yrs left and they want to win. Most prime FA already made money and now just want a fair shot at winning. Sure some of the ones who have yet to get a big payday most likely only care about what team has enough cap room.

Oh I see. That happens alot in basketball. It's kind of sporadic in the NFL. I don't see alot if interest of big time FA wanting to go to NE or some other elite teams. Course I don't see those teams trying to lure big time FAs too. Cashing in is the top priority. But if I were a WR id want to go to a team with a great QB. Or an RB I'd want a powerful Oline. Etc

orange skier
12-21-2012, 05:16 PM
The Bronco nation puts it's trust in John Elway. NFL exec of the year. Johnny Bronco may want to keep him, he may want to send him down the road. I trust his decision. If he wants to keep him, he can make it happen. All it takes is $$$$$$$$

cutthemdown
12-21-2012, 05:21 PM
Oh I see. That happens alot in basketball. It's kind of sporadic in the NFL. I don't see alot if interest of big time FA wanting to go to NE or some other elite teams. Course I don't see those teams trying to lure big time FAs too. Cashing in is the top priority. But if I were a WR id want to go to a team with a great QB. Or an RB I'd want a powerful Oline. Etc

I guess i am more thinking about how Elway when he was QB could go lobby for us and have pull. I think we are set up well to cash in brother. Especially on TE, WR, RB that know manning can help their careers.

Your right though its not just manning. The Broncos went from dysfunction junction to the harmony train. Hell already Elway has our organization back to being one other teams will want to copy. Recently I felt a lot of FA came to Denver with no real plan to sign unless our offer was more money the the other team. I feel like with Manning, and like you said Elway, and a coach that players like, we are going to have our pick of FA.

True NE doesn't make a lot of splashes but some of their big ones paid off big. Corey Dillon comes to mind. Thats just the type of FA i see Denver being able to lure. A player with something left in the tank that want to win.

Broncojef
12-21-2012, 05:40 PM
Hope many of you are right. I think he's
Long gone. Too many head coaching jobs
Coming open.

Boltjolt
12-21-2012, 05:46 PM
Our defense is #2 in sacks and #2 against the run, which is nothing short of a remarkable turnaround considering where we were over the last several years. IMO, one of the most important components of this team is Del Rio coordinating the D.

He's also sure to be a head coaching candidate, and even though he had a pretty poor experience in Jacksonville, it would be tough for him to turn down the top job.

What do you think the team needs to do to lock him up, at least for a couple more years?

You could give him a 20 year contract. Wont matter if a team wants to interview him for a HC possition...and they could hire him. No team blocks those opportunities for coaches to move up to be a HC.

That said, i certainly wouldnt want him to be the HC of our team. Some guys are just good cordinators and we finally are getting rid of one of those who is a crap HC.

Boltjolt
12-21-2012, 05:52 PM
Oh I see. That happens alot in basketball. It's kind of sporadic in the NFL. I don't see alot if interest of big time FA wanting to go to NE or some other elite teams. Course I don't see those teams trying to lure big time FAs too. Cashing in is the top priority. But if I were a WR id want to go to a team with a great QB. Or an RB I'd want a powerful Oline. Etc

There are many who just want the money and you cant blame them. The average NFL career is short. Mario Williams picked money and is losing again in Buffalo. We had been winning and Vince Jackson took the highest bidder.

You never know what players have as a priority for themselves but most of them take the cash.

Lestat
12-21-2012, 08:21 PM
don't see Del Rio being a HC again anytime soon.
he was seen as a great coordinator but apparently didn't like all the things that being a HC entailed near the end of his tenure in Jacksonville.

if he's still disillusioned by that experience it will be some time before he goes back to being a HC if at all.

cutthemdown
12-21-2012, 09:15 PM
We don't need McCoy IMO. Del Rio more important. Manning could go instantly to our o coord when he retires lol. Still I'd like to see staff stick together like they used to.

Hulamau
12-21-2012, 09:38 PM
JDR has done great things with this defense, but its also true that besides the talent ungrade the last two years .. and the rookies from last year playing much better now in their second seasons ... one of the main reasons for our inproved D performance and stats is a better ball control offense that can score in the red zone after long drives.

Out D is getting MUCH more rest this year in games .. particularly in the second half of games which is a major boost to their overall level of play and giving up generally less busted long plays ... though still a few too many during garbage time when we have more or less locked the game away.

Nevertheless, I'm 100% behind locking up JDR whatever it takes if we can.

lonestar
12-21-2012, 10:07 PM
IIRC there is a NFL limit on what coordinators are paid.. not so with head coaches..

cutthemdown
12-21-2012, 10:37 PM
IIRC there is a NFL limit on what coordinators are paid.. not so with head coaches..

No ****? I had no idea a team was capped on what they could pay an asst coach. That is pure BS IMO.

maven
12-21-2012, 11:18 PM
We had been winning and Vince Jackson took the highest bidder.

You never know what players have as a priority for themselves but most of them take the cash.

No. You guys were 8-8 last year.

lonestar
12-22-2012, 12:02 AM
No ****? I had no idea a team was capped on what they could pay an asst coach. That is pure BS IMO.

Why? The uber rich teams would pay them so much they would never leave to go else where.

If that were the case would you want to compete with WaS or DAL for JDR?

IIRC it is part of their collective bargaining agreement they have with the NFL.

Part of being unionized.

I seem to remember Bobby T wanted to take a lateral move to the skins and they had to give him a promotion to assistant HC to free him up from his contract in Den. As a position coach, it was part of that conversation when I heard they had a wage scale.

I suspect that it increases with longevity and their is a COL provision so those living in a high rent area like NYC vs BUF they would not starve.

Beantown Bronco
12-22-2012, 05:18 AM
You do know the last 8 weeks was when McDumbass effectively took over the defense away from Nolan, right?

Even if I concede that point, which isn't a fact (it was freaking week 14 when we played Indy and McD supposedly took over.....waaaaaay past week 8 and only after we gave up 30, 28, 27 and 32 pts in consecutive weeks), you're talking about one year in a long career. Nolan's been around for a long time and the same thing has happened to him every year, every place he's been.

winstoncup bronco
12-22-2012, 05:24 AM
Del Rio has done an incredible job with this D. I don't think the talent on the roster is equal to the performance on the field, so JDR gets tremendous credit for that.

Still, as much as I would like to see him stick around, I wouldn't necessarily tie the future of this franchise to him. There is nothing in experience in JAX to suggest he can lead this team down the road. He's a great coordinator, and leave it at that. Let some other team recycle him as a HC and tread water.

DivineLegion
12-22-2012, 06:39 AM
Assistant Head Coach.....

Haha! I was going to say that when I saw this thread, "just pull Shanahan, and make him assistant head coach".

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-24-2012, 09:15 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/McCoy-Del-Rio-may-benefit-from-Broncos-success-26726989

''When you're a young guy and you haven't been there, the urgency and desire to get that opportunity is such that you'd take just about any job given to you,'' said Del Rio, who was in charge in Jacksonville for nine seasons. ''I don't feel that way now. If there's something that fits and the right situation comes along, so be it. But in the meantime, I'm all in, 100 percent as a lieutenant on this staff. I'm somebody that John Fox, John Elway ... and the players can count on. I'm 100 percent invested in helping them be their best.''

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwsDXykGQCfn0REQSzchYjDn8KLaJH2 bIppFFv1YZP6jaqFs32aB6dmwmZ

RedskinBronco
12-24-2012, 09:28 AM
Lock him up ASAP. I'm sure Elway is on it.

ZONA
12-24-2012, 10:30 AM
I say JDR statys because the odds of a team losing 2 DC's in back to back years as the result of them becoming HC's, I don't think is great. The odds say JDR stays.

Eldorado
12-24-2012, 10:54 AM
btw- **** off.

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