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Shoemaker
12-20-2012, 04:37 PM
I know Harvin's name has been brought up here a few times previously, but I saw this on Rotoworld today:

ESPN Twin Cities reports Percy Harvin and coach Leslie Frazier had yet another heated exchange that likely contributed to the receiver being placed on injured reserve earlier this month.

It's the third documented issue with Harvin and the organization since June. The exchange is believed to have begun in the training room and has fueled speculation that the "deteriorating" relationship between the two men could lead to Harvin's exit from Minnesota. Seeking a new contract and frustrated with the identity of the Vikings offense, Harvin briefly issued a trade request last offseason. The team will have to decide whether to offer him a long-term deal heavy on performance-based incentives and escalators or prepare to shop him in March and April. One NFL personnel man estimates that Harvin would draw a second- or third-round pick in a contract year. Dec 20 - 6:11 PM

(from Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5197/percy-harvin)

There's little-to-no chance that Frazier gets fired, especially if AD drags the Vikings to the playoffs. So if that relationship is at the breaking point and the Vikings put Harvin on the block, I feel like Elway needs to go after him as hard as possible, especially if the price is only a second or third round pick.

The offense has obviously been fine this year, so this seems like a bit of a luxury expenditure on the surface. But as good as Stokley's been this season, he can't have too much more left in the tank, and a DT-Decker-Harvin grouping would be one of the best receiving corps in the NFL for years to come. Plus, this team doesn't have enough holes on it that we'd have to think twice about sacrificing picks to acquire a playmaker like Harvin.

What does the Mane think? Do we have bigger needs to fill in the offseason, or would it be worth giving up picks to get Harvin if he's available?

spiralism
12-20-2012, 04:40 PM
Do it. This team hasn't a huge amount of holes except MLB really. Would have said RB but Knowshon is looking a changed man lately. If we're in win now mode, follow up on it.

Killericon
12-20-2012, 04:48 PM
If Harvin hits the market, there won't be any shortage of suitors. It could get really expensive. I would of course love him on my team, but I doubt we could get him for a reasonable price.

Requiem
12-20-2012, 04:50 PM
I usually don't get worked up in the cap panic, but I don't see any fiscal way possible we can afford Demaryius, Decker and Harvin when they are all going to have contracts come due down the road. Percy is a lethal player, I would love to have him, but we already have other holes that need to be addressed and if we extend Clady, it is going to take up a decent portion of our revenue. I just don't see where the $ lines up to pay three receivers big bucks. You can really only have two, IMHO. You just don't see teams throwing beacoup bucks at several different WR.

DBroncos4life
12-20-2012, 04:59 PM
I believe there is a player in the draft just like him that is cheaper, younger, and not as banged up. Also I'm with Requiem on the amount of cap room locked up in three WR's.

Now lets say they wanted to trade Harvin for Decker how do you feel?

Killericon
12-20-2012, 05:02 PM
I usually don't get worked up in the cap panic, but I don't see any fiscal way possible we can afford Demaryius, Decker and Harvin when they are all going to have contracts come due down the road. Percy is a lethal player, I would love to have him, but we already have other holes that need to be addressed and if we extend Clady, it is going to take up a decent portion of our revenue. I just don't see where the $ lines up to pay three receivers big bucks. You can really only have two, IMHO. You just don't see teams throwing beacoup bucks at several different WR.

If we got Harvin, we'd extend him, then give up one of Thomas or Decker after a year. Harvin's probably the most talented of the three, but if this trade were to go down then he would have been kicked off one team for bad behaviour. Decker and Thomas are developing nicely, have chemistry with Manning, and at least Thomas has a similar ceiling to Harvin.

You raise a valid point. I'd hold on to Thomas/Decker/Whatever it'd take to get Harvin over Harvin/One of Thomas or Decker.

prunch
12-20-2012, 05:06 PM
Elway is all about value, even when he is spending $20m on QB. I don't think he will even consider him due to his paycheck. We will be drafting for depth and to replace the players of our own we won't be able to afford in 2-3 years. We have plenty of homegrown talent to spend our cap on. The one caveat will be if he feels we are one player away from winning a SB in the next 2 years but I think we win this one so that is a moot point.

Requiem
12-20-2012, 05:10 PM
Keep Decker. I just draft Marcus Wheaton if he is there in the third (probably not anymore) and call it a day because he is gonna be a baller.

ZONA
12-20-2012, 06:05 PM
Harvin would not come here and be the 3rd WR and we would not have him at his salary as the 3rd WR. Thomas and Decker are not going anywhere. The Broncos will probably draft a WR but I don't see that going down until later in the draft. Caldwell has speed, he's looked good a few times they used him.

Hamrob
12-20-2012, 06:53 PM
Harvin is a headcase. No thanks!

DarkHorse
12-20-2012, 07:05 PM
No thanks, for various reasons.

lonestar
12-20-2012, 07:07 PM
I know Harvin's name has been brought up here a few times previously, but I saw this on Rotoworld today:



(from Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5197/percy-harvin)

There's little-to-no chance that Frazier gets fired, especially if AD drags the Vikings to the playoffs. So if that relationship is at the breaking point and the Vikings put Harvin on the block, I feel like Elway needs to go after him as hard as possible, especially if the price is only a second or third round pick.

The offense has obviously been fine this year, so this seems like a bit of a luxury expenditure on the surface. But as good as Stokley's been this season, he can't have too much more left in the tank, and a DT-Decker-Harvin grouping would be one of the best receiving corps in the NFL for years to come. Plus, this team doesn't have enough holes on it that we'd have to think twice about sacrificing picks to acquire a playmaker like Harvin.

What does the Mane think? Do we have bigger needs to fill in the offseason, or would it be worth giving up picks to get Harvin if he's available?

not only no but hell NO..

harvin is a cancer and getting into a beef with HIS head coach,, beyond dumb..

not even to mention we flat do not have the cap space as it is to deal with the new contract he would be wanting..

Broncoman13
12-20-2012, 07:29 PM
I believe there is a player in the draft just like him that is cheaper, younger, and not as banged up. Also I'm with Requiem on the amount of cap room locked up in three WR's.

Now lets say they wanted to trade Harvin for Decker how do you feel?

Do it! Who is like Harvin in the draft that your are thinking of?

Tim
12-20-2012, 08:04 PM
Harvin for a 2nd or a 3rd all day long.

lonestar
12-20-2012, 08:10 PM
Harvin for a 2nd or a 3rd all day long.

how are you gonna pay for him?

the only WR you ever take is a clean, pure guy that is not a head case and those are few and far in between..

harvin is not one of them he has already hit the team up for a trade or new contract..

what is that called? HEAD CASE

John Elway has not been getting any of them in his term as head Huncho in DEN.. all he has been going after have been clean cut, leaders of their teams..

IIRC everyone we have drafted so far have been team captains with solid intelligence test score..

Harvin does not fit that description..

DBroncos4life
12-20-2012, 08:14 PM
Do it! Who is like Harvin in the draft that your are thinking of?

Tavon Austin. Shorter then Harvin, but like Harvin ability from RB/WR/KR.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-20-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't think headcases on a Peyton Manning team. I think people fall in line

lonestar
12-20-2012, 08:40 PM
I don't think headcases on a Peyton Manning team. I think people fall in line

yet you forget he will not be here as long as a harvin would be do you want Brock having to deal with this mutt?

plus we do not have the money...

add to that John has not went after anyone that is remotely a head case in the draft nor FA..

get this lunacy out of your head

SonOfLe-loLang
12-20-2012, 08:49 PM
I didn't say I wanted harvin, I said his perceived attitude wouldn't bother me. And mutt? Nice

lonestar
12-20-2012, 08:51 PM
I didn't say I wanted harvin, I said his perceived attitude wouldn't bother me. And mutt? Nice

sorry standing up for him made me think you did want him.he is a great talent, but once you go after or at your hC that nails it for me.. we have had way to many of them already..

would rather have some one with less talent that was not a mutt. see below..

almost all WR are mutts dumb as the day is long and feel they are entitled to adoration of anyone and everyone..

always needing to be stroked in WR cases it is EGO in mutts cases the need to be loved..

Broncoman13
12-20-2012, 08:53 PM
Tavon Austin. Shorter then Harvin, but like Harvin ability from RB/WR/KR.

Would have to use a first to get him... Should be picked in the 25-35 range. Agree he is a dynamic playmaker. But I think he is more Desean Jackson than Percy Harvin... Probably even smaller than Desean. Not a lot bigger than Holiday, but he has that incredible elusiveness that could work in the NFL.

I like his game, but Harvin is proven... Also why he will probably command a 5 year $35m type deal. I would rather have Harvin then Decker skill wise. I think Harvin could put up Marvin Harrison type numbers with Manning.

TheChamp24
12-21-2012, 05:57 AM
Harvin would not work in Denver.
First off, I'd say flat out Thomas is a better WR than Harvin.
Second, the move could possibly derail chemistry.
Third, the cost.
Fourth, injury concerns with Harvin.

I just would prefer looking at the draft. We do need another WR, Stokley is damn near gone, Willis is going to be gone as evidenced by how many times Peyton has chewed him out, and Caldwell is meh.
However, for a #3 WR, you don't need to trade a high pick for one.

One mid round guy to look at:
Ryan Swope

BroncoInferno
12-21-2012, 06:10 AM
Too injury prone. Pass.

CEH
12-21-2012, 06:19 AM
A Harvin type is needed for this offense. Harvin himself has too many injuries with headaches etc to be counted on when needed but depends on the final price. His value may go down with all the headaches and confrontations but great players get 2nd and 3rd chances all the time in the NFL and when Harvin is right he's a game changer

I've been in favor since Manning signed of getting a Randall Cobb sleeper in the draft. Cobb was a 2nd round pick but not from a big school

Cobb would be scary good in this offense just like he is in GB

Bottomline, I trust Manning and Elway and Co to make the right choice. If they bring him in I would be excited as hell because I would know he's on board with the direction the team is heading

socalorado
12-21-2012, 06:27 AM
There are other players out there without the loon, headcase problems that Harvin brings. Plus Harvin has cronic migraine issues and is also injury prone.

Yes, Amendola will walk if the price is right, and being on a SB contender can only help. Dont be fooled, he will bolt for the $$$. Question is does DEN have enough.
PHIL is also going to be dumping alot of their top-tier talent and trying to restructure
after the debacle that the dream team was supposed to be. They gotta dump, and restructure alot of contracts, and Maclin could be a possibility. PHIL needs draft picks.
I am callin it now, Maclin will go somewhere for a 2nd round draft pick.
Or DEN could hope that a Stedman Bailey or a Swope or Robert Woods, fell and nab them in the bottom of the 2nd, but thats gonna be tough.

Drek
12-21-2012, 06:39 AM
If we got Harvin, we'd extend him, then give up one of Thomas or Decker after a year. Harvin's probably the most talented of the three, but if this trade were to go down then he would have been kicked off one team for bad behaviour. Decker and Thomas are developing nicely, have chemistry with Manning, and at least Thomas has a similar ceiling to Harvin.

You raise a valid point. I'd hold on to Thomas/Decker/Whatever it'd take to get Harvin over Harvin/One of Thomas or Decker.

What the ****?

Thomas is 6'3", 230 pounds, and damn near as fast as Harvin. He's far better at catching the ball and he's got more moves than just running away from people once he's got it.

Harvin is a between the 20's go route champion who can play a little scat back. Thomas is the prototype for the new era of NFL WRs, standing toe to toe with Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones from a raw talent standpoint.

Thomas is 100 yards shy with two games to go from having more receiving yardage this season than Harvin had both rushing and receiving in his best year to date (last season, when AD missed a ton of games and they forced him the ball). He's already tied that season for touchdowns. Thomas' YPC this year is 15.5, Harvin's career year saw him at 11.1 (FYI, his YPC has declined every year since his rookie season).

Thomas is clearly the better player and also the more versatile weapon in a traditional offense that doesn't build itself around Harvin.

If Harvin would take a slot WR/situational scat back role and the paycheck that goes along with that I'd be fine with bringing him in for a 2nd or 3rd, but he won't. Instead I'd rather kick the tires on Danny Amendola and if his market gets too high just turn to the draft.

DarkHorse
12-21-2012, 07:01 AM
Harvin has NOTHING on Thomas




Crack kills

Drek
12-21-2012, 07:17 AM
Harvin has NOTHING on Thomas




Crack kills

Pretty much. The only knock you can make on Thomas is that he's the Chris Carter to Calvin Johnson's Jerry Rice. Being the second best player at your position behind a once in a generation phenom isn't much of an insult.

Beantown Bronco
12-21-2012, 07:26 AM
Pass. If money was truly no object in our search for another receiver, I'd much prefer Welker. And he wouldn't cost us a draft pick (NE can't tag him again and I don't see them coming to an agreement on a deal this offseason).

lonestar
12-21-2012, 09:06 AM
There are other players out there without the loon, headcase problems that Harvin brings. Plus Harvin has cronic migraine issues and is also injury prone.

Yes, Amendola will walk if the price is right, and being on a SB contender can only help. Dont be fooled, he will bolt for the $$$. Question is does DEN have enough.
PHIL is also going to be dumping alot of their top-tier talent and trying to restructure
after the debacle that the dream team was supposed to be. They gotta dump, and restructure alot of contracts, and Maclin could be a possibility. PHIL needs draft picks.
I am callin it now, Maclin will go somewhere for a 2nd round draft pick.
Or DEN could hope that a Stedman Bailey or a Swope or Robert Woods, fell and nab them in the bottom of the 2nd, but thats gonna be tough.

why would PHL dump macklin for a second seems like an even trade..

they still have a relatively high draft choice to pay and he it not even proven..

makes zero sense..

55CrushEm
12-21-2012, 09:22 AM
Pass. If money was truly no object in our search for another receiver, I'd much prefer Welker. And he wouldn't cost us a draft pick (NE can't tag him again and I don't see them coming to an agreement on a deal this offseason).

Really? Was that a provision of the new CBA....that you can only franchise a player one time?

I didn't realize that.

Dedhed
12-21-2012, 09:33 AM
Sign Amendola. He'd be a much better fit on this team and would be cheaper than Harvin.

lonestar
12-21-2012, 09:39 AM
Really? Was that a provision of the new CBA....that you can only franchise a player one time?

I didn't realize that.

I thought it was only for a third time or maybe if they have so many years in the NFL.

there was some change .

still the kid has a lot of miles on him and would be to expensive anyway..

love all these pipe dreamers..

Beantown Bronco
12-21-2012, 09:51 AM
I think I worded that poorly. It's not that they can't by a function of the new CBA. It's that they can't financially because the CBA dictates that they'd have to give him a 20% raise over the franchise tag figure they're paying him this year (~$10 mil). They can't do it realistically with the new contracts they signed to their two headed monster at TE this past year.

lonestar
12-21-2012, 09:54 AM
I think I worded that poorly. It's not that they can't by a function of the new CBA. It's that they can't financially because the CBA dictates that they'd have to give him a 20% raise over the franchise tag figure they're paying him this year (~$10 mil). They can't do it realistically with the new contracts they signed to their two headed monster at TE this past year.

:thumbs:

Agamemnon
12-21-2012, 09:57 AM
I'd rather spend that kind of money on a MLB.

Play2win
12-21-2012, 09:58 AM
God!! I wish!!!

Play2win
12-21-2012, 10:04 AM
Harvin would not work in Denver.
First off, I'd say flat out Thomas is a better WR than Harvin.
Second, the move could possibly derail chemistry.
Third, the cost.
Fourth, injury concerns with Harvin.

I just would prefer looking at the draft. We do need another WR, Stokley is damn near gone, Willis is going to be gone as evidenced by how many times Peyton has chewed him out, and Caldwell is meh.
However, for a #3 WR, you don't need to trade a high pick for one.

One mid round guy to look at:
Ryan Swope

Go back to bed. Wake up. Then have your wheaties before you post.

Play2win
12-21-2012, 10:07 AM
IF Percy Harvin is a headache. Then it's a headache I would gladly have 24/7 365 days a year. Because it's a much headache for the opposition!!!!!!!!!

Play2win
12-21-2012, 10:09 AM
Would love Stokley and Harvin on the field at the same time. I am sure Peyton would also!!!!!

lonestar
12-21-2012, 10:19 AM
Would love Stokley and Harvin on the field at the same time. I am sure Peyton would also!!!!!

you do realize there is onlt one football to spread around to DT, STOKES, ED, KM, various TEs and then harvin .

not sure harvin is the sharing type

elsid13
12-21-2012, 10:20 AM
If we are looking for slot WR, then getting WVU's Tavon Austin orStedman Bailey in the draft makes more sense then trading for Harvin.

Bacchus
12-21-2012, 10:28 AM
I know Harvin's name has been brought up here a few times previously, but I saw this on Rotoworld today:



(from Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5197/percy-harvin)

There's little-to-no chance that Frazier gets fired, especially if AD drags the Vikings to the playoffs. So if that relationship is at the breaking point and the Vikings put Harvin on the block, I feel like Elway needs to go after him as hard as possible, especially if the price is only a second or third round pick.

The offense has obviously been fine this year, so this seems like a bit of a luxury expenditure on the surface. But as good as Stokley's been this season, he can't have too much more left in the tank, and a DT-Decker-Harvin grouping would be one of the best receiving corps in the NFL for years to come. Plus, this team doesn't have enough holes on it that we'd have to think twice about sacrificing picks to acquire a playmaker like Harvin.

What does the Mane think? Do we have bigger needs to fill in the offseason, or would it be worth giving up picks to get Harvin if he's available?

Harvin would be awesome pick up. He is very tough match-up for any team and he can line up at any position on the field from RB to wide Receiver to the slot. I think he would be a terrific addition. All that being said I really like the fact Denver has lots of young talent and Denver also has a lot of big contracts coming up. Miller, Woodyard, Clady, Harris etc... As good a pick up as Harvin would be I just want to keep building through the draft and re-sign the players you want.

broncosteven
12-21-2012, 02:13 PM
Harvin sits out too many games from Migraines and injuries, I would have jumped on him 2 years ago but now that DT has proven he is one of the best in the business I would just draft Stokely's replacement and go after a MLB.

I still wish we had Jason Hill on the roster, He is better than Willis and Caldwell, I don't know what his situation is with the Jets but finding a guy like him or another vet possession guy would be a better idea than trying to bring in a guy who wan't to be a #1 and expecting him to be a #3.

extralife
12-21-2012, 05:43 PM
Harvin is a between the 20's go route champion

wat

gunns
12-21-2012, 06:38 PM
I bet Shanahan goes after him with everything. I already had a bet out there that Shanahan goes WR with first pick. For Denver I'd love, love to get Amendola

Do not want one in the draft.

maven
12-21-2012, 06:45 PM
Harvin is a between the 20's go route champion who can play a little scat back.

What is this nonsense! You are on a roll today aren't ya.

Bacchus
12-21-2012, 07:59 PM
I bet Shanahan goes after him with everything. I already had a bet out there that Shanahan goes WR with first pick. For Denver I'd love, love to get Amendola

Do not want one in the draft.

That does make a lot of sense. The Skins could use him more than Denver.

Bmore Manning
12-22-2012, 05:08 PM
Larry Fitzgerald anyone..? I'm not sure what it would take to get him and how the contract implications work out from a trade..

WABronco
12-22-2012, 05:31 PM
We need to get Harvin, at the least. Then add on Amendola and a high pick in the draft. Running 5 wide all day, Madden style. Best offense ever. Like...OMG.

Hulamau
12-22-2012, 05:46 PM
I usually don't get worked up in the cap panic, but I don't see any fiscal way possible we can afford Demaryius, Decker and Harvin when they are all going to have contracts come due down the road. Percy is a lethal player, I would love to have him, but we already have other holes that need to be addressed and if we extend Clady, it is going to take up a decent portion of our revenue. I just don't see where the $ lines up to pay three receivers big bucks. You can really only have two, IMHO. You just don't see teams throwing beacoup bucks at several different WR.

Maybe Peyton would be willing to toss Harvin a $5 million signing bonus from his contract kitty on top of a doable 3 year contract with the FO to have him and us in WIN NOW mode for the rest of Peyton's all too short tenure with us??

Everyone involved wants a SB or two now, and a healthy Harvin that didn't have to carry all the WR load with DT, Decker and two other better backups than we have now would all but seal the deal.... What D in the league can cover DT, Decker, Harvin and a good TE or two with Peyton running the show and with our improving Oline and run game??

Forget about it! Then we could focus on adding one more stud RB along with KM, McGahee and Hillman .. keep Hester at FB/HB ...as well, then add one or two more interior lineman/center in draft or FA to bolster our Oline depth .. and depending on how well Kupe recovers? And our O will truely be set for the Peyton era and beyond.

Harvin could then negotiate a new longer term deal after three years after we have locked up Clady, DT and Decker and have more space with which to reup Harvin if he proves worth it, as he no doubt would in our offense with Peyton throwing him the rock. Percy would likely jump at that as well as it would really make his career as well!

Get er done if this ever materializes as a real possibility!

cutthemdown
12-22-2012, 05:55 PM
Not saying i don't love Harvin, but DT and Decker seem like a very solid starting pair. Can we really find enough room to make Harvin happy? He wants to be a number 1 and hes just not better then DT. Also can we realy afford to spend a draft pick trading for a player who gets injured here and there. Not like he is a super stud of staying healthy.

We spent a high pick on DT, a fairly high pick on Decker. IMO broncos won't look to invest that much more at the wr spot. Maybe a slot type vet WR to replace stokley at some point.