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FearLanier
12-17-2012, 03:15 PM
"As for those more well-known entities, several league sources expect Bill Polian to be a lead candidate in Kansas City if a regime change is made there, with he and his son Chris, the former Colts GM, able to run the franchise in a very hands-on manner, which is in line with how owner Clark Hunt traditionally delegates responsibility.'

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21413784/monday-observations-looking-for-next-big-thing-when-it-comes-to-gms

Very interesting.

Chris
12-17-2012, 03:18 PM
Go ahead. Was Polian really that great at Indy?

Tombstone RJ
12-17-2012, 03:23 PM
Polian is a solid GM but he has an anchor baby he's dragging around in his son. It's a package deal. Suck on that KC.

Lestat
12-17-2012, 03:33 PM
you better tell him from the jump that you expect him to develop the entire team and not just use that BS theory he used to build around Manning.

FearLanier
12-17-2012, 03:39 PM
Not the best candidate in my eyes, but not the worst.

He has proven that he can draft a QB (Kerry Collins, Peyton Manning) and he's had success everywhere he's been.

His last few drafts in Indy were lackluster though. It's all about who he would hire as HC.

Swedish Extrovert
12-17-2012, 03:52 PM
Kerry Collins was pretty good, and I would argue underrated.... but did he really live up to his draft status?

uplink
12-17-2012, 03:57 PM
Kerry Collins was pretty good, and I would argue underrated.... but did he really live up to his draft status?

Collins is #12 in all time passing yards

Lestat
12-17-2012, 04:08 PM
Kerry Collins was pretty good, and I would argue underrated.... but did he really live up to his draft status?
top 15 in all time passing yards, 208 career TD passes, two time pro bowler, won the NFC and led the Giants to the super bowl.

had he not had issues with alcohol he would have been even better.

SoCalBronco
12-17-2012, 04:29 PM
He would be solid...certainly much better than fat Scott.

broncosteven
12-17-2012, 04:45 PM
Not the best candidate in my eyes, but not the worst.

He has proven that he can draft a QB (Kerry Collins, Peyton Manning) and he's had success everywhere he's been.

His last few drafts in Indy were lackluster though. It's all about who he would hire as HC.

Polian would instantly be the best GM kFc has had in the last 20 years. That said I wouldn't fear kFc overnight, he would have to build a team that is capable of playing with a lead and getting a 1st down before the end of the 2nd quarter.

I would love to see you guys hire Dick Juron if Romeo gets let go after only one season. Could kFc lure Lane Kiffen out of the college ranks? What is Frank Ganz up to he would be another instant upgrade. Marty Mornhinweg?

RedskinBronco
12-17-2012, 04:58 PM
Polian is a decent GM. They could do a lot worse.

Of course he will become extremely frustrated if cheap ass Hunt vetoes everything.

El Minion
12-17-2012, 05:19 PM
Go ahead. Was Polian really that great at Indy?

One of the best GM/Personnel executives the last +20 years. Buffalo (4 SB appearances), Carolina (NFCG in year two for expansion franchise) and Indy (2 SB and 1 win) all excelled under his tutelage. He also drafted/signed excellent QB's Kelly, Collins, and Manning and paired them with very good (Capers/Mora) to great coaches (Levy/Dungy).

I'm not liking this rumor.

Bronco Boy
12-17-2012, 05:26 PM
This thread should be merged with the Chiefs Suck thread.

Br0nc0Buster
12-17-2012, 05:31 PM
Polian sucked in Indy before getting fired

He drafted some good players early on like Manning and Freeney, but he went several years with bust after bust of first rounders

I am not saying this just cuz he might go to the Chiefs
I have been saying for a while he was a ****ty gm in Indy

maybe he will be better in KC, but that is a very "meh" hire

Mediator12
12-17-2012, 06:14 PM
Please, Please let this be true ;D

Polian is as tied to the past in his philosophy as Shanahan is devoted to mediocre sycophants being around him!

I would absolutely love Polian walking into that mess in KC and trying to meld their personnel into his philosophy. He destroyed INDY the last few years without Dungy and has not been a solid drafter in over 6 years. Yes he did a great job in Manning versus Leaf, Edgerrin James versus Ricky Williams, and even getting Freeney in the mid first round. However, he has not been able to draft the new talent coming out of college for a decade. His last major success was Freeney in 2002. Who else has he drafted since then? The ONLY decent player left from him is Antoine Bethea. 2005 til last year he has swung and missed on a ton of players.

Polian would be the perfect guy to take over KC from a broncos perspective. 5 more years of disarray and mediocrity at best IMHO.

BroncoInferno
12-18-2012, 06:43 AM
Good. Polian's drafts the last half-decade or so in Indy were abysmal. He's lost it.

Kaylore
12-18-2012, 07:33 AM
I can't believe only three people have pointed out Polian sucks. I'll rephrase that. He might be a good GM, but he let's nepotism guide his hiring choices and his son sucks.

Rohirrim
12-18-2012, 08:02 AM
I see the crew of the Titanic is still discussing the best arrangement for the deck chairs.

jerseyguy4
12-18-2012, 08:15 AM
Polian sucked in Indy before getting fired

He drafted some good players early on like Manning and Freeney, but he went several years with bust after bust of first rounders

I am not saying this just cuz he might go to the Chiefs
I have been saying for a while he was a ****ty gm in Indy

I have no idea what you or anyone else in this boat is thinking. :pfbbt::pfbbt:

Polian was an AWESOME GM in Indy.
Bad 1st round picks after Freeney?
03 - Dallas Clark
04 - no 1st round pick
05 - Marlin Jackson CB - intercepted Brady in AFC champ game to end game. Injury in 08 basically ended his career
06 - Joseph Addai, A-class RB
07 - Anthony Gonzalez - very good 2 1/2 years before injury basically ended his career
08 - no 1st round pick
09 - Donald Brown, A-class RB

Remember nearly all of these picks were made somewhere around pick #30 since the Colts always finished at the top.
In fact, NOT ONE Polian round1 pick was ever a bust, going back to 98. Only Rob Morris was considered a bust for several years as a mediocre LB'er, until he had a huge resurgence in 2006 and was a large part of the postseason defensive success that won the SB.

Polian was nothing short of a fantastic drafter and front office guy.

As Kaylore said, his son was a shiatbag. Most people don't even know (including most Colts fans), but Chris took over as GM in 09, and Bill moved back to a sorta-semi-retired position. Bill was still the face of the Colts' front office to the public, and no one really knew what the heck Chris was doing besides wasting space.

All that said, Bill is about 70 years old, and that's way too late to begin a tenure with a new team.

BroncoInferno
12-18-2012, 08:42 AM
^ On what planet are Donald Brown and Joseph Addai "A-class RB[s]"? They're both about as mediocre as it gets, certainly not worthy of 1st round selections (even late 1st round). Other than Dallas Clark, none of those were great picks even if they weren't total failures. But you have to look beyond the 1st round when grading drafting prowess. Give us the list of quality draft picks Polian made outside the 1st round his last five years. You probably won't need two hands.

Br0nc0Buster
12-18-2012, 09:18 AM
I have no idea what you or anyone else in this boat is thinking. :pfbbt::pfbbt:

Polian was an AWESOME GM in Indy.
Bad 1st round picks after Freeney?
03 - Dallas Clark
04 - no 1st round pick
05 - Marlin Jackson CB - intercepted Brady in AFC champ game to end game. Injury in 08 basically ended his career
06 - Joseph Addai, A-class RB
07 - Anthony Gonzalez - very good 2 1/2 years before injury basically ended his career
08 - no 1st round pick
09 - Donald Brown, A-class RB

Remember nearly all of these picks were made somewhere around pick #30 since the Colts always finished at the top.
In fact, NOT ONE Polian round1 pick was ever a bust, going back to 98. Only Rob Morris was considered a bust for several years as a mediocre LB'er, until he had a huge resurgence in 2006 and was a large part of the postseason defensive success that won the SB.

Polian was nothing short of a fantastic drafter and front office guy.

As Kaylore said, his son was a shiatbag. Most people don't even know (including most Colts fans), but Chris took over as GM in 09, and Bill moved back to a sorta-semi-retired position. Bill was still the face of the Colts' front office to the public, and no one really knew what the heck Chris was doing besides wasting space.

All that said, Bill is about 70 years old, and that's way too late to begin a tenure with a new team.

lol wtf you thought Donald Brown and Anthony Gonzalez were good first round picks?
I forgot about that bust TCU player they took a couple years ago as well
That team was hot garbage with Manning holding them together

If he was so good why did they look like an expansion team once Manning was out?

I think this rumor is nonsense, but if he is drafting guys like Anthony Gonzalez and Donald Brown in the first for the Chiefs I will consider that a success....for us

jerseyguy4
12-18-2012, 09:25 AM
^ On what planet are Donald Brown and Joseph Addai "A-class RB[s]"? They're both about as mediocre as it gets, certainly not worthy of 1st round selections (even late 1st round). Other than Dallas Clark, none of those were great picks even if they weren't total failures.
Jackson and Gonzalez were both quality picks in the late 1st round. Both suffered injuries that you cannot blame Polian for.
Addai and Brown were both solid. They were smart, good blocking backs for Peyton. Addai has 1 SB ring, 2 AFC champs, and 1 pro bowl.
In 09 and 10, neither Addai nor Brown has spectacular #'s. But it was because 1) they split time and 2) the O-line was falling apart when Howard Mudd retired.

Also, Moreno was same draft as Brown, but much higher. Who has had the better career until the last few games?

But you have to look beyond the 1st round when grading drafting prowess. Give us the list of quality draft picks Polian made outside the 1st round his last five years. You probably won't need two hands.
So 05-09? I'll keep the list short, just to those that made the Colts a strong force
Bethea SS - round 6
Charlie Johnson LT - round 6
Clint Session LB - round 4
Jacob Tamme TE - round 4
Pierre Garcon WR - round 6
Jarraud Powers CB - round 3
Austin Collie WR - round 4
Pat McAfee P - round 7

From 02 to 09, the Colts averaged 12.375 wins per season.
Every season was double digit wins.
Every season was a trip to the playoffs.
1 SB champ, 2 AFC champ
6 AFC South titles in 8 years.

I concede. I stand corrected. Polian was awful.

jerseyguy4
12-18-2012, 09:49 AM
That team was hot garbage with Manning holding them together

If he was so good why did they look like an expansion team once Manning was out?
It was no secret the Colts would blow without Manning. Irsay knew it, Polian knew it, the coaches knew it, and the fans knew it. The team was built around Manning, and it was a calculated risk EVERY SINGLE YEAR of Peyton's tenure. Prior to 2011, Peyton hadn't missed 1 game in his career. His O-Line was built to protect him, and they did that well.

The surprise wasn't that the 2011 Colts went 2-14. The surprise was how quickly they bounced back in 2012.

Mile High Salute
12-18-2012, 09:50 AM
Not the best candidate in my eyes, but not the worst.

He has proven that he can draft a QB (Kerry Collins, Peyton Manning) and he's had success everywhere he's been.

His last few drafts in Indy were lackluster though. It's all about who he would hire as HC.

Kerry Collins?? Hilarious!

Mile High Salute
12-18-2012, 09:54 AM
I love it. :thumbs:

Kansas City - where careers go to die.

Kaylore
12-18-2012, 09:56 AM
JerseyGuy, that list is awful. You didn't mention their crappy offensive line. Polian was good at signing free agents, but he also let a few good ones go. That list just makes Manning look amazing.

24champ
12-18-2012, 09:58 AM
Bring back King Carl.

Bronco Rob
12-18-2012, 10:20 AM
Face it. Clark Hunt could care less about the NFL, his first passion is soccer. The only concern is how to generate as much revenue as possible with the least ammount of expenditures. Moves made are based off of two things: Money & Ego, nowhere in the equation does sound football decisions reside.


A fish rots from the head down.



:thumbs:

Mountain Bronco
12-18-2012, 10:22 AM
Who else are they going to get to run that crappy franchise? He would be an upgrade over the existing situation.

Kaylore
12-18-2012, 11:08 AM
Bring back King Carl.

That's the last time they were any good.

Carl drafted Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Jared Allen, Joe Horn, Neil Smith, Derrick Thomas, Will Shields, Jerome Woods, Donnie Edwards, Tony Gonzalez and Dante Hall.

He also brough in Trent Green, Tony Richardson, Priest Holmes, traded for Roaf, talked Kennison into not retiring and got Dick Vermeil to come over.

BroncoInferno
12-18-2012, 11:11 AM
JerseyGuy, that list is awful. You didn't mention their crappy offensive line. Polian was good at signing free agents, but he also let a few good ones go. That list just makes Manning look amazing.

Exactly. The list was pitiful, and for some reason he used '05-'09 when Polian's last draft was '11. It's even worse if you go '07-'11. JerseyGuy actually did mention that the Colts OL was "falling apart," but it somehow escapes him that putting together a quality OL is the job of the GM. As far as Brown vs. Moreno...not sure why he made that comparison as Brown's career high is 647 rushing yards, a total Moreno has topped twice. Not that the comparison was relevant in any case. Brown stinks and was not a good 1st round pick.

Br0nc0Buster
12-18-2012, 11:19 AM
It was no secret the Colts would blow without Manning. Irsay knew it, Polian knew it, the coaches knew it, and the fans knew it. The team was built around Manning, and it was a calculated risk EVERY SINGLE YEAR of Peyton's tenure. Prior to 2011, Peyton hadn't missed 1 game in his career. His O-Line was built to protect him, and they did that well.

The surprise wasn't that the 2011 Colts went 2-14. The surprise was how quickly they bounced back in 2012.

That is the point of the GM, to build a TEAM
He failed to do that, failed in an epic fashion

And btw the Colts Oline was not good, it sucked as well
Peyton just got rid on the ball so quickly to negate their crappiness

Tombstone RJ
12-18-2012, 11:19 AM
That's the last time they were any good.

Carl drafted Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Jared Allen, Joe Horn, Neil Smith, Derrick Thomas, Will Shields, Jerome Woods, Donnie Edwards, Tony Gonzalez and Dante Hall.

He also brough in Trent Green, Tony Richardson, Priest Holmes, traded for Roaf, talked Kennison into not retiring and got Dick Vermeil to come over.

I think King Carl is still close with the Hunt family too. If anything King Carl is advising Hunt on what GM he should bring in.

jerseyguy4
12-18-2012, 11:39 AM
Exactly. The list was pitiful, and for some reason he used '05-'09 when Polian's last draft was '11. It's even worse if you go '07-'11. JerseyGuy actually did mention that the Colts OL was "falling apart," but it somehow escapes him that putting together a quality OL is the job of the GM. As far as Brown vs. Moreno...not sure why he made that comparison as Brown's career high is 647 rushing yards, a total Moreno has topped twice. Not that the comparison was relevant in any case. Brown stinks and was not a good 1st round pick.
I ignore 10-11 because 10-11 were Chris Polian's drafts as he was GM.

Howard Mudd was the Colts O-line coach until 09. He was the guy Polian hired in 98 to protect Manning, and he did that exceptionally well with primarily mid-round draft picks for 11 years. He left after 09.....the same time Chris Polian took over as GM. Good move, Chris.

I say Brown was better (comparing early career to early career) because he split time with Addai and started when Addai was hurt. He was a big part of Peyton's last 2 seasons, which combined for 24 wins.
That is the point of the GM, to build a TEAM
He failed to do that, failed in an epic fashion
Again, this is not news. Everyone knew this was a possibility and was part of the team strategy. In the media, Irsay appeared unhappy with his 2-14 team, but I highly doubt he expected anything better than a 4 or 5 win team.

And btw the Colts Oline was not good, it sucked as well
Peyton just got rid on the ball so quickly to negate their crappiness
In the last few years after the SB win, not good at run blocking, but good in pass protection. They always were good at pass protection.
Tony Ugoh was the 2nd round pick as the LT replacement for Tarik Glenn. He WAS a bust, and probably the biggest of Bill Polian's tenure at the Colts.

FearLanier
12-18-2012, 12:20 PM
Face it. Clark Hunt could care less about the NFL, his first passion is soccer. The only concern is how to generate as much revenue as possible with the least ammount of expenditures. Moves made are based off of two things: Money & Ego, nowhere in the equation does sound football decisions reside.


A fish rots from the head down.



:thumbs:

Clark's moves.

1. Fire the GM that was extremely close to his family.
2. Sign the best GM at the time by far. Literally everyone saw it as a great move for the franchise.
3. Pay that man more than any NFL GM in the league.

People saying Clark doesn't care and that he's cheap always crack me up.

FearLanier
12-18-2012, 12:23 PM
I think King Carl is still close with the Hunt family too. If anything King Carl is advising Hunt on what GM he should bring in.

He actually has met with Marty the week of the Broncos game. He's also met with Cowher.

Kaylore
12-18-2012, 02:26 PM
He actually has met with Marty the week of the Broncos game. He's also met with Cowher.

Carl was better than many other GM's at drafting. The problem was he had a temper and would get into ego-pissing matches with players. I do think he can help you guys find a good GM. I do not think Polian is the guy you want - especially if his son is the de facto GM. If that's the case, you will pine for the days of Pioli. At least he brought some good players in.

Rolandftw
12-18-2012, 02:43 PM
Wouldn't be a bad move for KC, but not the home run type of hire that their fans probably want. He would likely a draft a QB with the first pick, at least. Not sure if the rest of the roster would be in good hands with him though.

Then again, lot of Chief fans seem to think that the only real problem is the QB, so maybe it doesn't matter that much

lonestar
12-18-2012, 03:07 PM
top 15 in all time passing yards, 208 career TD passes, two time pro bowler, won the NFC and led the Giants to the super bowl.

had he not had issues with alcohol he would have been even better.

forgot about the addiction thing ..

He was at the top of his game when that went down, God only knows what would have happened had he not taken some time off..

ColoradoDarin
12-18-2012, 03:15 PM
Wouldn't be a bad move for KC, but not the home run type of hire that their fans probably want. He would likely a draft a QB with the first pick, at least. Not sure if the rest of the roster would be in good hands with him though.

Then again, lot of Chief fans seem to think that the only real problem is the QB, so maybe it doesn't matter that much

I think they're pretty much a decent QB away from being competitive. Run game is solid, defense is good, and they have some offensive weapons. They need help on the OL and a new QB.

ColoradoDarin
12-18-2012, 03:16 PM
Wouldn't be a bad move for KC, but not the home run type of hire that their fans probably want. He would likely a draft a QB with the first pick, at least. Not sure if the rest of the roster would be in good hands with him though.

Then again, lot of Chief fans seem to think that the only real problem is the QB, so maybe it doesn't matter that much

I think they're pretty much a decent QB away from being competitive. Run game is solid, defense is good, and they have some offensive weapons. They need help on the OL and a new QB.

FearLanier
12-18-2012, 03:17 PM
Carl was better than many other GM's at drafting. The problem was he had a temper and would get into ego-pissing matches with players. I do think he can help you guys find a good GM. I do not think Polian is the guy you want - especially if his son is the de facto GM. If that's the case, you will pine for the days of Pioli. At least he brought some good players in.

Carl was extremely overrated. He put his name on LJ for crying out loud. That says enough to me.

I think Marty and Herm had a significant hand in the players that were drafted. DV was never that great at drafting, at all, and neither was Gunter.

Take a look at King Carl's draft's from the Gunter era through the DV era. It's atrocious, pitiful and pathetic.
Jared Allen was the luckiest pick of all time and they didn't even want DJ. They wanted Thomas Davis (thank God for Carolina).

FearLanier
12-18-2012, 03:21 PM
Wouldn't be a bad move for KC, but not the home run type of hire that their fans probably want. He would likely a draft a QB with the first pick, at least. Not sure if the rest of the roster would be in good hands with him though.

Then again, lot of Chief fans seem to think that the only real problem is the QB, so maybe it doesn't matter that much

With how weak the AFC is, I think it's possible to be in the WC race next year with a good QB and good HC.

TheReverend
12-18-2012, 03:21 PM
I'd prefer they went with someone unproven and worse.

Kaylore
12-18-2012, 03:33 PM
I'd prefer they went with someone unproven and worse.

How can you be unproven and worse? Isn't it unproven and unknown or known and worse?

TheReverend
12-18-2012, 03:43 PM
How can you be unproven and worse? Isn't it unproven and unknown or known and worse?

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRY_asZvNBtKrfgqQrggBdTm9z3i3_C3 QDrKseopygo5SOfrBY6

How soon we forget...

24champ
12-18-2012, 04:20 PM
That would be great if they hired Xanders. Pizza boy moves to KC!

Ratboy
12-18-2012, 04:23 PM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRY_asZvNBtKrfgqQrggBdTm9z3i3_C3 QDrKseopygo5SOfrBY6

How soon we forget...

I'll take a large pepperoni pizza, deep dish...

DomCasual
12-18-2012, 04:27 PM
I don't know that it's a done deal that Pioli goes, is it? There were all those reports earlier of a secret extension. My dream scenario is that they keep him. I think they'll definitely fire Romeo - to appease the rabid fan base, if nothing else. But I could see Clark "Milquetoast" Hunt keep Polian around - especially if he's going to have to eat a bunch of money on an extended contract.

swaiy
12-18-2012, 04:31 PM
"Damnit, Donald!" - Peyton Manning

Brown is definitely not a grade A running back Hilarious!

Rohirrim
12-18-2012, 04:47 PM
Once the Chiefs settle down in L.A. and change their names, they'll straighten this **** out.

What did Slap used to say? The L.A. Dukes. ;D

Rolandftw
12-18-2012, 05:21 PM
With how weak the AFC is, I think it's possible to be in the WC race next year with a good QB and good HC.

Maybe. Their pass defense has been pretty bad. And even if Bowe re-signs, they don't really have many options offensively. They need to sign Bowe, and draft/sign at least one more impact WR. Defensively, need to bring in at least one impact player in the secondary ideally at CB. A legitimate #2 RB would make their rushing attack more lethal as well.

I think to be in the WC race, the QB they bring in would have to have a RG3 type of impact, among other contributions for the new additions--which is doubtful.

KC is in a similar position to where Denver was after the 2010 season. Needing the perfect storm to occur to have a shot at the playoffs. It could happen but it's likely 2-3 years off.

FearLanier
12-18-2012, 05:59 PM
Maybe. Their pass defense has been pretty bad. And even if Bowe re-signs, they don't really have many options offensively. They need to sign Bowe, and draft/sign at least one more impact WR. Defensively, need to bring in at least one impact player in the secondary ideally at CB. A legitimate #2 RB would make their rushing attack more lethal as well.

I think to be in the WC race, the QB they bring in would have to have a RG3 type of impact, among other contributions for the new additions--which is doubtful.

KC is in a similar position to where Denver was after the 2010 season. Needing the perfect storm to occur to have a shot at the playoffs. It could happen but it's likely 2-3 years off.

Flowers has been awesome this year for what he's been given. Very glad we have him. Berry is finally starting to get his legs back (his injury was worse than Charles/Moeaki because he played some snaps after he tore it).

This coaching staff is misusing the hell out of Baldwin, plus Cassel and Quinn have thrown the worst passes imaginable to both him and Bowe. And Breaston isn't playing because he's a Haley guy! Complete and utter BS.

KC doesn't need an RG3 to be a WC. Look at the Colts and Seahawks. As hyped as Luck was coming out, he hasn't been that great this year. Hell his last 3 games he's had a completion percentage under 50%.

It's all about what coach is brought in IMO. If a guy like Reid or Holmgren are brought in, I will love the move. Both great coaches for QB's.

swaiy
12-18-2012, 07:23 PM
I'd like to think it would be easier to defend against Luck. With the exception of random scrambles, he isn't going to be doing alot of running. Funny how the read option was going to be a fad like the wildcat. Here we are the very next year and it is a viable offense because it isnt the Broncos led by you know who.

I think Luck will have a better second year than Russell or RG3.

broncosteven
12-18-2012, 07:46 PM
Flowers has been awesome this year for what he's been given. Very glad we have him. Berry is finally starting to get his legs back (his injury was worse than Charles/Moeaki because he played some snaps after he tore it).

This coaching staff is misusing the hell out of Baldwin, plus Cassel and Quinn have thrown the worst passes imaginable to both him and Bowe. And Breaston isn't playing because he's a Haley guy! Complete and utter BS.

KC doesn't need an RG3 to be a WC. Look at the Colts and Seahawks. As hyped as Luck was coming out, he hasn't been that great this year. Hell his last 3 games he's had a completion percentage under 50%.

It's all about what coach is brought in IMO. If a guy like Reid or Holmgren are brought in, I will love the move. Both great coaches for QB's.

Flowers and Berry are the best 2 players on your back 7 and yet they still get beaten regularly, they could be part of a good secondary if you guys got a 2nd CB, Nickle back, and another Safety to play across from Berry. You still need to get outside LB's who can stop the run DE's who can set the edge, and 2 DT's. I watched Hali and Houston vs Oakland and they were terrible vs the run. Neither could set the edge or get off a block. I watched McFadden run around them to the outside a couple times, once vs Houston he didn't even need to get wide because Houston was blown so far off the ball.

Offensively you need to protect whomever they bring in to replace the hot garbage you have at QB and I just haven't seen the protection being there. Charles and McCluster make the OL look better as a run block unit because of their speed but put Hillis or drones back there and they get killed, especially in short yardage where good OL's prove how good they are.

I hope you guys get a game manager for a QB and have to watch dink and dunk football, your receivers had at least 6 or more clear drops last week. When a bad QB gets the ball to their hands your guys have to make the catch and they just don't. We get to watch PM put the ball in tight windows and watch DT make unbelieveable catches out of balance extended while being contacted and he comes down with the ball. The ball hits Baldwin or Bowe in the hands uncontested and they drop it. Good luck with a game managing QB trying to convert 3rd and 5, hitting that corp in the hands. More than likely his completion percentage will take a hit until you get at least 2 more WR's and at least another TE. Of course that is assuming he is not laying on his back because his OL got him creamed.

I wonder if Chicago doesn't go after Andy Reid to try to develop Cutler, they need to get a guy who will lay down the law to Cutler while designing a system that plays to his strengths.

Holmgren is done, he is out of touch with today's NFL. I would love to see you get him. I think Reid can still find a way to win games but it is clear his message has fallen on deaf ears in Philly.

Like Roland said above kFc will need the perfect storm in order to be looking at a wildcard game in the next couple years.

Rolandftw
12-18-2012, 08:31 PM
Flowers has been awesome this year for what he's been given. Very glad we have him. Berry is finally starting to get his legs back (his injury was worse than Charles/Moeaki because he played some snaps after he tore it).

This coaching staff is misusing the hell out of Baldwin, plus Cassel and Quinn have thrown the worst passes imaginable to both him and Bowe. And Breaston isn't playing because he's a Haley guy! Complete and utter BS.

KC doesn't need an RG3 to be a WC. Look at the Colts and Seahawks. As hyped as Luck was coming out, he hasn't been that great this year. Hell his last 3 games he's had a completion percentage under 50%.

It's all about what coach is brought in IMO. If a guy like Reid or Holmgren are brought in, I will love the move. Both great coaches for QB's.

I agree Flowers has played well for the most part. His size will sometimes hurt him against some of the bigger and better WR's in the NFL though. They just have really no talent at the CB position after Flowers

Berry has improved and had a monster game Sunday, but Kendrick Lewis and the lack of any true depth at FS kills KC's secondary

Guess I don't buy that Baldwin is being misused. Just don't see any separation or explosion off the line of scrimmage for him. Maybe in the right situation, he could be a good WR for you guys but he needs to be coached up big time.

And Luck hasn't been great, but in the context of him being a rookie with a temporary head coach, he's done awesome. He probably throws in the 4300-4500 yard range.

He's also had 6 game winning drives in their 9 wins. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but that's got to be leading the NFL.

FearLanier
12-19-2012, 08:43 AM
Flowers and Berry are the best 2 players on your back 7 and yet they still get beaten regularly, they could be part of a good secondary if you guys got a 2nd CB, Nickle back, and another Safety to play across from Berry. You still need to get outside LB's who can stop the run DE's who can set the edge, and 2 DT's. I watched Hali and Houston vs Oakland and they were terrible vs the run. Neither could set the edge or get off a block. I watched McFadden run around them to the outside a couple times, once vs Houston he didn't even need to get wide because Houston was blown so far off the ball.

Offensively you need to protect whomever they bring in to replace the hot garbage you have at QB and I just haven't seen the protection being there. Charles and McCluster make the OL look better as a run block unit because of their speed but put Hillis or drones back there and they get killed, especially in short yardage where good OL's prove how good they are.

I hope you guys get a game manager for a QB and have to watch dink and dunk football, your receivers had at least 6 or more clear drops last week. When a bad QB gets the ball to their hands your guys have to make the catch and they just don't. We get to watch PM put the ball in tight windows and watch DT make unbelieveable catches out of balance extended while being contacted and he comes down with the ball. The ball hits Baldwin or Bowe in the hands uncontested and they drop it. Good luck with a game managing QB trying to convert 3rd and 5, hitting that corp in the hands. More than likely his completion percentage will take a hit until you get at least 2 more WR's and at least another TE. Of course that is assuming he is not laying on his back because his OL got him creamed.

I wonder if Chicago doesn't go after Andy Reid to try to develop Cutler, they need to get a guy who will lay down the law to Cutler while designing a system that plays to his strengths.

Holmgren is done, he is out of touch with today's NFL. I would love to see you get him. I think Reid can still find a way to win games but it is clear his message has fallen on deaf ears in Philly.

Like Roland said above kFc will need the perfect storm in order to be looking at a wildcard game in the next couple years.

I've watched Flowers all year and he's only been beaten twice. Really not bad. Routt and Brown were the one who was getting beaten a lot.

As for the OL, they did get manhandled against the Raiders. Branden Albert wasn't playing though and that was a big reason why Quinn got heat from the left side. Rodney Hudson did a great job when he was in there before he got hurt. I really like Hudson's potential. There are pieces that need to be evaluated, but we always look bad against the Raiders in the trenches which bugs me.

As for Tamba and Houston, you can't blame them directly for the running problem. The Raiders ran right at Ropati Pitouta on the right side and he was horrible all day. It's really tough for a 270 lb LB to stop the run when the DE gets washed out repeatedly and a pulling G and FB are in front of you.

I'm not a fan of Romeo's dinosaur defense anymore. Tyson Jackson holding 2 gaps is holding him back. He's played some 1 gap the last month and guess what? 3 sacks, 1 stuff and 6 QB pressures. That's what gets to me.

Baldwin has a problem with separation, but yet Daboll is having him run straight down the field. Why? Why not work him in the intermediate routes to use his strength? The answer is because Daboll is a clown.

And you can't blame Bowe for drops. Manning puts the ball in a perfect place. Quinn and Cassel have the worst ball placement I've ever seen. Bowe's even had less drops than Thomas. Thomas has actually had twice as many drops as Bowe. If Bowe was in Thomas' place, he'd probably have 1,300 yards and 15 TD's.

Bronco Rob
12-22-2012, 11:10 PM
Clark's moves.

1. Fire the GM that was extremely close to his family.
2. Sign the best GM at the time by far. Literally everyone saw it as a great move for the franchise.
3. Pay that man more than any NFL GM in the league.

People saying Clark doesn't care and that he's cheap always crack me up.


Explain Brandon Carr..


???

FearLanier
12-23-2012, 03:31 AM
Explain Brandon Carr..


???

Clark is the owner not the GM. Carr was all Pioli.