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Br0nc0Buster
12-13-2012, 01:04 PM
Off topic I know

I was having a debate with a couple of friends and there was a disagreement over how much better Cam will be compared to Weeden if at all

So I am trying a quick poll

Who is going to end up the better quarterback?

I am assuming Newton will win the poll, but I am trying to see if it as much a landslide as others keep implying

tsiguy96
12-13-2012, 01:13 PM
at the end of the day, weeden is 30 frickin years old as a rookie. that is so hard to overlook to pick him to become anything more than a few year starter.

Pick Six
12-13-2012, 01:19 PM
Here's Weeden's stats, nearing the completion of Year 1:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14878/brandon-weeden



Here's Cam Newton's stats, nearing the completion of Year 2:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13994/cam-newton

You're welcome...

lonestar
12-13-2012, 01:21 PM
at the end of the day, weeden is 30 frickin years old as a rookie. that is so hard to overlook to pick him to become anything more than a few year starter.

yet he has almost NO hits on him over his career as a QB and QB is a spot that can be played well into the late 30's since most QB's 40 time are measured with a egg timer.. speed degradation like RBs, WR are not an issue..

in fact the older a QB gets often the better they are.. make less stupid mistakes..

whereas Cam he is taking a lot of hits and they add up..

Requiem
12-13-2012, 01:25 PM
Cam Newton is light years ahead (and always will be) in comparison to Brandon Weeden. Killa Cam is on pace for another ~ 4,000 yard season, 20+ passing touchdowns and probably another ten on the ground. Dude just scores points. Baller all day.

pricejj
12-13-2012, 01:55 PM
Neither one of them are good enough to even get their team to the playoffs, at this point. By NFL standards, they both suck.

Right now, both these guys are pretenders. They only get to start, because their ownership/head coach think that they can be better than they are right now. If they can't make the playoffs within a couple years, they will be backups.

lonestar
12-13-2012, 02:02 PM
Neither one of them are good enough to even get their team to the playoffs, at this point. By NFL standards, they both suck.

Right now, both these guys are pretenders. They only get to start, because their ownership/head coach think that they can be better than they are right now. If they can't make the playoffs within a couple years, they will be backups.

Not sure either team has enough talent for anyone to get the team into the playoffs.

IIRC Cam was # one in the draft most teams are bereft of talent to get that low in the draft. Also seem to remember a purge going on for a few years cutting costs.

And well The Browns have sucked since Jimmy brown retired. Well almost but it has been a very long time since they were consistently relevant.

Requiem
12-13-2012, 02:09 PM
Neither one of them are good enough to even get their team to the playoffs, at this point. By NFL standards, they both suck.

Right now, both these guys are pretenders. They only get to start, because their ownership/head coach think that they can be better than they are right now. If they can't make the playoffs within a couple years, they will be backups.

Not even remotely close to being true for Newton. The burden on offense is all on his shoulders considering the amount of injuries they have had at RB and OL. The running game isn't there for them this year like it was in years past. Williams and Stewart have blown this year. Not to mention, they were ahead in 5 games this year in the last quarter and their defense let them down. Newton is plenty good enough to start in this league.

Bacchus
12-13-2012, 02:11 PM
with the right coaching Cam could be very very good

pricejj
12-13-2012, 02:12 PM
Cam Newton is light years ahead (and always will be) in comparison to Brandon Weeden. Killa Cam is on pace for another ~ 4,000 yard season, 20+ passing touchdowns and probably another ten on the ground. Dude just scores points. Baller all day.

Here is how I would rank QB's in the NFC South:

1. Drew Brees
2. Matt Ryan
3. Cam Newton
4. Josh Freeman

I'd say it's a good 4 to 5 years before Carolina even sniffs the playoffs (maybe after Drew Brees retires). At least Cam Newton will be in his prime then (if he doesn't get injured).

Requiem
12-13-2012, 02:17 PM
Here is how I would rank QB's in the NFC South:

1. Drew Brees
2. Matt Ryan
3. Cam Newton
4. Josh Freeman

I'd say it's a good 4 to 5 years before Carolina even sniffs the playoffs (maybe after Drew Brees retires). At least Cam Newton will be in his prime then (if he doesn't get injured).

Drew Brees is HOF and Matt Ryan is awesome. There is no shame with Cam being the #3 guy in that division. Carolina has holes all over the place on the team. So your indictment on him is pretty much a sham. Cam isn't perfect, but without Newton, that team would be horrendous. Rivera is terrible too.

pricejj
12-13-2012, 02:18 PM
Newton is plenty good enough to start in this league.

Yeah, he's good enough to start. I'd rank him about 15th. Hope he continues to improve...but like you said, alot of Newton's success depends on the the panthers organization's ability to build a team around him.

He's going to have to get more accurate, though...and stay away from setbacks (like Josh Freeman). If he becomes an under 60% passer, he won't have much success.

bronco militia
12-13-2012, 02:21 PM
where's the RG3 option?

pricejj
12-13-2012, 02:23 PM
So your indictment on him is pretty much a sham. Cam isn't perfect, but without Newton, that team would be horrendous. Rivera is terrible too.

There is no indictment. Cam has to get a lot better for his team to be successful and make the playoffs. That's a fact.

Requiem
12-13-2012, 02:28 PM
There is no indictment. Cam has to get a lot better for his team to be successful and make the playoffs. That's a fact.

Because Cam Newton cannot carry his team to the playoffs, he sucks.

Those are your standards, not the NFLs.

This post was just about as dumb as you saying that this wasn't a good class of defensive tackles in the draft. Not nearly as dumb as your comment on race.

ZONA
12-13-2012, 02:40 PM
Weeden? Seriously? Somebody is having a poll about Weeden? Did somebody say Weeden? Don't talk to me about Weeden.

I think talking about Weeden is 1 step up from talking about who's the best referee.

oubronco
12-13-2012, 02:43 PM
I'd rather have Andrew Luck

Drunk Monkey
12-13-2012, 02:58 PM
http:////2.bp.blogspot.com/_ELFl2_1q7DI/TObn1HnV2fI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/5JkvAtpbv7k/s1600/Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

BroncoMan4ever
12-13-2012, 04:21 PM
at the end of the day, weeden is 30 frickin years old as a rookie. that is so hard to overlook to pick him to become anything more than a few year starter.

In this era of pussified NFL Weeden could very well play until he is in his early 40's. So age isn't as big an issue as it's made out to be.

I think Newton is basically a new Cutler. Great ability bad attitude poor leader. Weeden with help could be really good.

pricejj
12-13-2012, 04:25 PM
Because Cam Newton cannot carry his team to the playoffs, he sucks.

Those are your standards, not the NFLs.

This post was just about as dumb as you saying that this wasn't a good class of defensive tackles in the draft. Not nearly as dumb as your comment on race.

a) Cam Newton is a middle of the pack NFL QB. If you have any evidence to refute that, post it.
b) The 2012 class of DT's isn't as good as the 2013 class of DT's (and the 2012 class wasn't great). Name one elite DT coming out this year. I'd classify every single one of them as 2nd round talent.
c) Normal people don't care about race, only racists do. It's a broad statement, but generally true.

JakeZ01
12-13-2012, 04:25 PM
cam newton? you mean Can Notwin?

pricejj
12-13-2012, 04:25 PM
I think Weeden is basically a new Cutler. Great ability bad attitude poor leader. Weeden with help could be really good.

What has Weeden ever done to garner that comparison?

maven
12-13-2012, 04:37 PM
Weeden? Joke post?

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
12-13-2012, 04:41 PM
I'll. tell you that weeden is the better person. No throwing his coaches under the bus.

extralife
12-13-2012, 04:42 PM
wat

BroncoMan4ever
12-13-2012, 04:49 PM
What has Weeden ever done to garner that comparison?

I meant Newton is like Cutler. Didn't proofread before submitting the post

maven
12-13-2012, 08:03 PM
at the end of the day, weeden is 30 frickin years old as a rookie. that is so hard to overlook to pick him to become anything more than a few year starter.

He's 29 this year(turns 30 in Oct), but I think we all get the point.

errand
12-13-2012, 08:17 PM
at the end of the day, weeden is 30 frickin years old as a rookie. that is so hard to overlook to pick him to become anything more than a few year starter.

29, but who's counting.....

Steve Young didn't really get his chance until he was 30 years old.....and made the HoF. Doesn't mean Weeden can do the same...but it also doesn't mean he can't.

with today's strength and conditioning knowledge and training, he could still play for about 10-11 years barring injury.

g6matty
12-13-2012, 08:33 PM
Newton is the best fantasy qb evar. Hes a winner in my book :-)

extralife
12-13-2012, 08:49 PM
Steve Young didn't really get his chance until he was 30 years old

he also sat behind Joe Montana for half a decade with Bill Walsh as his coach. and before that he got his feet wet starting for two teams.

lonestar
12-13-2012, 08:52 PM
he also sat behind Joe Montana for half a decade with Bill Walsh as his coach. and before that he got his feet wet starting for two teams.

actually 4 years and 5 games. but close is good here..

Requiem
12-14-2012, 10:21 AM
a) Cam Newton is a middle of the pack NFL QB. If you have any evidence to refute that, post it.
b) The 2012 class of DT's isn't as good as the 2013 class of DT's (and the 2012 class wasn't great). Name one elite DT coming out this year. I'd classify every single one of them as 2nd round talent.
c) Normal people don't care about race, only racists do. It's a broad statement, but generally true.

(A) You keep changing your argument. I was addressing your point that Newton isn't good enough to carry a terrible team to the playoffs. I never made a claim on where Newton stands in regards to others in the league.

(B) Are you kidding me? WTF? Star Lotulelei could be the #1 overall pick. Hankins, Short and the Williams Duo are probably all going in the first round. This pretty much illustrates that your knowledge regarding college football is a complete sham. (But we already knew that.)

(C) Singapore Healthcare Level Fail. Then again, you thought Romney was going to be the big winner. Hilarious!

pricejj
12-14-2012, 03:07 PM
(A) You keep changing your argument. I was addressing your point that Newton isn't good enough to carry a terrible team to the playoffs. I never made a claim on where Newton stands in regards to others in the league.

Holler at me as soon as Newton makes the playoffs, until then you can speculate all you want. The statistics show that Cam Newton is average, regardless of the team around him.


(B) Are you kidding me? WTF? Star Lotulelei could be the #1 overall pick. Hankins, Short and the Williams Duo are probably all going in the first round. This pretty much illustrates that your knowledge regarding college football is a complete sham. (But we already knew that.)
...says the guy who was in love with Jerel Worthy, and hated Derek Wolfe.

All the guys you mentioned compare quite well to Jerel Worthy, who I always considered a 2nd round pick. Turned out I was right. All the guys you mentioned, in my book, are decent NT's (not elite), which would put them in the bottom of the 1st round, or 2nd round if this draft wasn't so bad, or if any Elite DT's were available. Why do you think they all waited to come out this year? They are all Seniors or 5th year Seniors (with the exception of Hankins). You can get hyped up about the quantity all you want, but none of them are elite.

None of them are even close to a Haloti Ngata, Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, or John Henderson.

All of them will be pretty good run stuffers, kind of like Brandon Thompson or Jerel Worthy...but not what you would call an IMPACT player...which is what I'm looking for in the 1st round. I would take a serious look at all of them at the bottom of the 1st, depending on who else is available...but not before then. Whoever picks any of those guys top 20 is making a mistake.

Jerel Worthy had similar stats and size to Star Lotulelei and was 21 years when he was picked 51st overall in 2012. Lotulelei finally had a decent year, this year...he's 23.

Will some of them be picked in the 1st round? Yes. Like I said, it's a super-crappy draft. I would be interested to know how strong, fast, and how long of arms each one has...we don't know that yet. It will tell us a lot about their potential, so I reserve the right to change my mind about any of them.


((C) Singapore Healthcare Level Fail. Then again, you thought Romney was going to be the big winner. Hilarious!

Wrong on both counts. Singapore healthcare is working. Obamacare is not. I hoped Romney would win, but didn't expect it. Now we have to put up with Obama's nonsense for another 4 years. Lucky you. Lay off the meds, and try not to get banned again (for the 3rd time).

Requiem
12-14-2012, 04:15 PM
If you compared all those guys to Jerel Worthy, it is quite obvious you don't watch much college football. You are full of ****. Always have been. Always will be.

Poor class at defensive tackle? Are you stupid?

http://i50.tinypic.com/14khb2s.png

TheReverend
12-14-2012, 04:28 PM
Ugh... they think HILL is a 4th rounder? Sigh...

Also, Newton and Weeden both blow

KipCorrington25
12-14-2012, 06:38 PM
They both sucks, it's like who's better KC or Oakland?