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Ronnie Tsunami
12-12-2012, 11:23 AM
They are both set to be free agents after the 2014 season, meaning we have a minimum of two seasons left (after this one) with them.

Wouldn't it make sense to lock them up ahead of time? I don't know about making a move on Demaryius just yet, but I'd have no qualms with the brass upstairs making Von the highest paid OLB in the NFL the second after we hoist the Lombardi *hopefully* (knocks on wood)

BroncoMan4ever
12-12-2012, 11:39 AM
If the are meant to be free agents in 2014 let's see what they do in 2013 before we throw around potentially a lot of guaranteed money

55CrushEm
12-12-2012, 11:41 AM
If the are meant to be free agents in 2014 let's see what they do in 2013 before we throw around potentially a lot of guaranteed money

This. Do it after next season is over (when they have ONE year left)......not when they each still have 2 years left on their current deals.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-12-2012, 11:47 AM
Clady then Decker (RFA this offseason) should be first. Then DT. Denver holds an option for a 5th year on Miller.

Archer81
12-12-2012, 11:48 AM
If they both go off like a pyro in a fireworks factory in the playoffs, the FO should consider locking them up now. 2 years left of their deals or not.

Either way two young playmakers should be lifetime Broncos.

:Broncos:

baja
12-12-2012, 11:59 AM
All in due time.

Looks like Elway's plan is to populate the team with stars in a few key positions and fill in with solid roll players.

You are not going to trick any agent to sign a sweet deal just because it's early, they know the worth of their clients besides the Broncos hardly have enough cap room to sign the key guys they need to keep this coming year let alone reaching out two years from now..

Chris
12-12-2012, 12:00 PM
I meant to say milk them. That's how you afford a championship team.

Kaylore
12-12-2012, 12:02 PM
You guys are aware they can't hold out per the new CBA, right?

v2micca
12-12-2012, 12:13 PM
You are not going to trick any agent to sign a sweet deal just because it's early, they know the worth of their clients.


This. We tried getting Clady to sign an early extension and he chose not to bend on the numbers knowing that free agency was right around the corner. The NFL is more volatile than the MLB with far greater risk for injury. But you second contract is where you make your money. Players aren't going to be inclined to give us enough of a discount to make it worth giving up the last cost controlled year of their rookie deal.

Requiem
12-12-2012, 12:26 PM
Clady then Decker (RFA this offseason) should be first. Then DT. Denver holds an option for a 5th year on Miller.

Decker ain't an RFA. His contract is up next year.

ZONA
12-12-2012, 12:31 PM
I've thought about this but I think you have to be business savvy here. Would love to pay each of these guys more right now and maybe you can find a way to give them a small gift bonus but I don't think you can re-do their deals right now. Actually, might even have to re-structure Manning's deal a bit so that we can afford a few really nice FA's this offseason. We have a 2 or 3 year window here with Manning and we need every penny we can find to get great players here and to sign the ones we have when it's time.

Don't forget, Miller was the #2 overall pick in the draft so it's not like his rookie contract is puny or anything. Obviously he deserves more and he will get it sooner then later. Got to lock up Clady though.

Mountain Bronco
12-12-2012, 12:38 PM
No, way to early. Next year you start talking. It is a business and precedent is important even when you are talking about great players.

gyldenlove
12-12-2012, 12:56 PM
I don't like locking people up 2 years before they become free agents.

Beantown Bronco
12-12-2012, 02:00 PM
I'd have no qualms with the brass upstairs making Von the highest paid OLB in the NFL the second after we hoist the Lombardi *hopefully* (knocks on wood)

Huh? This makes no sense.

Why would you make someone the highest paid at their position two years before their contract is up? The one and only reason to lock someone up early is to save money on them. Not pay more. It literally makes zero sense.

It's like the Clady situation. Enjoy getting great returns on the rookie contract for as long as you can, because you're never going to get that kind of performance for chump change again. Once they start making the big bucks, they'll never go back to making less if they're anywhere near their prime.

Why pay more than you have to?

55CrushEm
12-12-2012, 02:02 PM
Why pay more than you have to?

Don't worry. We won't. Bowlen is broke.

:~ohyah!:

BMarsh615
12-12-2012, 02:07 PM
Von can't be offered a new contract until after next season. Something in the new CBA says that first round picks have to play three full years before a new contract can be negotiated.

spiralism
12-12-2012, 02:10 PM
Von can't be offered a new contract until after next season. Something in the new CBA says that first round picks have to play three full years before a new contract can be negotiated.

In fact though, that benefits the players. We go to Von after next year with a year left on his deal and he holds all the cards....

In the meantime though, use the cap space to bring in more FA quality next year and talk the two guys into sticking around. Shouldn't be hard if we keep the good times up. Miller strikes me as a lifer and we don't have McDaniels anymore to alienate and trade him.

BMarsh615
12-12-2012, 02:13 PM
In fact though, that benefits the players. We go to Von after next year with a year left on his deal and he holds all the cards....

In the meantime though, use the cap space to bring in more FA quality next year and talk the two guys into sticking around. Shouldn't be hard if we keep the good times up. Miller strikes me as a lifer and we don't have McDaniels anymore to alienate and trade him.

I hope he sticks around. After the whole Cutler and Marshall deal my biggest fear is that Von Miller will wind up finishing his career with the Cowboys.

Beantown Bronco
12-12-2012, 02:19 PM
In fact though, that benefits the players. We go to Von after next year with a year left on his deal and he holds all the cards.....

How exactly?

He can't hold out. At that point, he still would have a full year left on his contract. And there's a thing called the franchise tag that could be employed the year AFTER that.

Teams have ALL the leverage and hold pretty much all the cards nowadays.

Kaylore
12-12-2012, 02:36 PM
The poll results so far show a lot of you are totally clueless. You can't even extend some players even if you want to because of the new CBA.

cmhargrove
12-12-2012, 02:44 PM
The poll results so far show a lot of you are totally clueless. You can't even extend some players even if you want to because of the new CBA.

...and NFL owners rarely "renegotiate" early on any contract. Bowlen certainly doesn't have any history of this, and neither do most organizations. We have paid to keep our key players lately, I have no reason to believe we won't pony up for these two.

I also like the thread title (no disrespect intended) mentioning "we." It ain't my cash buddy, but if it was, I would only pay fair market value when I had to. A team is still a business with the goal of making a profit. I think Elway and Fox have been pretty straight forward on this as well.

Kaylore
12-12-2012, 02:47 PM
...and NFL owners rarely "renegotiate" early on any contract. Bowlen certainly doesn't have any history of this, and neither do most organizations. We have paid to keep our key players lately, I have no reason to believe we won't pony up for these two.

You didn't read anything I said, did you? I am pretty sure DT can't get a new contract even if God appears to the Broncos front office and orders them to give him one until after next season. No matter how much "we love" these guys, giving them a new contract before they are eligible is impossible, and before we need is not smart.

55CrushEm
12-12-2012, 02:55 PM
What about Woodyard? He only signed a 2 year deal in March for short money ($3.5 million TOTAL). So he's only got 1 more year as well.

Considering the breakout year he's had......I'd assume he'd be high on our priority list to extend.

baja
12-12-2012, 03:03 PM
Besides Mays and Porter who walks?

55CrushEm
12-12-2012, 03:15 PM
Besides Mays and Porter who walks?

I'd have to go through the entire roster......but off the top of my head I'd say Bannan, Brooking, Leonhard and perhaps Stokley.....unless we can't lure another good slot WR here in the offseason.

We also need to re-sign Bruton for special teams.

Rolandftw
12-12-2012, 03:17 PM
I'd like to see Chris Harris signed to an extension.

Tony Carter is restricted this season, so would make sense to try to get a deal done there if they see him as a good CB longterm.

After next season, probably have to look into signing D Thomas and Von Miller

cmhargrove
12-12-2012, 03:52 PM
You didn't read anything I said, did you? I am pretty sure DT can't get a new contract even if God appears to the Broncos front office and orders them to give him one until after next season. No matter how much "we love" these guys, giving them a new contract before they are eligible is impossible, and before we need is not smart.

I absolutely read every word! I just didn't pay much attention to it. :~ohyah!:

My argument was about contracts in general, not just rookie contracts. Are you saying the same rule applies to all contracts, not just rookie contracts? If so, God can appear at the front office and order them to give a new contract to someone... Just askin, then sayin...

Bigdawg26
12-12-2012, 04:21 PM
I'd have to go through the entire roster......but off the top of my head I'd say Bannan, Brooking, Leonhard and perhaps Stokley.....unless we can't lure another good slot WR here in the offseason.

We also need to re-sign Bruton for special teams.

Yeah I would sign them all to nice veteran role player deals. Also, I would give a mid starter money contract extension to Chris Harris and Tony Carter. I would also pay Clady top 5 LT money!

55CrushEm
12-13-2012, 08:40 AM
Yeah I would sign them all to nice veteran role player deals. Also, I would give a mid starter money contract extension to Chris Harris and Tony Carter. I would also pay Clady top 5 LT money!

I'm not saying I would necessarily sign all 4 of those guys again. Maybe, maybe not.

But he asked who we thought would potentially "walk". Those were the 4 on the top of my head.

We will definitely re-sign Clady (or franchise him). We SHOULD re-sign Bruton. Other than that, I don't think we have any impending free agents that are "must signs". Some would be nice to keep, but aren't necessarily critical.

DENVERDUI55
12-13-2012, 09:24 AM
The poll results so far show a lot of you are totally clueless. You can't even extend some players even if you want to because of the new CBA.

With the new CBA does it apply to contracts before it was signed? I don't know but lots of times this type of stuff only applies to contracts signed after it was voted in and contracts before get grandfathered in on old rules.