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v2micca
12-12-2012, 08:03 AM
Poll Incoming

jmz313
12-12-2012, 08:12 AM
When we don't need Manning on the field.

Pick Six
12-12-2012, 08:19 AM
I could go for the starters, including Manning, sitting out the second half of the Chiefs game...

footstepsfrom#27
12-12-2012, 09:05 AM
ASAP in any game where the outcome has been settled because 1) we don't need Manning getting hurt and 2) this kid's our backup so we ought to be concerned about giving him time if it's possible. I'm actually looking foward to see if he's as bright as they say and if he's learned fom PM by this point. I think we might have something here once he's had time to marinate.

BroncoMan4ever
12-12-2012, 09:50 AM
ASAP in any game where the outcome has been settled because 1) we don't need Manning getting hurt and 2) this kid's our backup so we ought to be concerned about giving him time if it's possible. I'm actually looking foward to see if he's as bright as they say and if he's learned fom PM by this point. I think we might have something here once he's had time to marinate.
He does have a ****load of raw potential. Would be great to have a situation like Green Bay did, go from a legend to a young guy who comes in and the team keeps rolling on

Smiling Assassin27
12-12-2012, 09:58 AM
After they pry the ball from PM's cold, dead hand, throw the guy into the deep end and have him hand it off to Adrian Peterson, throw it to DT, Decker, and Andre Johnson.

baja
12-12-2012, 10:02 AM
2017

razorwire77
12-12-2012, 10:02 AM
Once the seeding has been set (probably the week before the Chefs game), I think you give Brock the bulk of the work in that game. Honestly, it would be a really good team for him to cut his teeth on. They have a couple of good pass rushers in their front seven, but their secondary has been crap (which would force him to go through progressions and make reads.)

footstepsfrom#27
12-12-2012, 10:04 AM
He does have a ****load of raw potential. Would be great to have a situation like Green Bay did, go from a legend to a young guy who comes in and the team keeps rolling on
He's big, more mobile than you'd expect from a 6'8" guy and has a live arm and reportedly a very high football IQ so I'm unclear why some people don't like the kid.

baja
12-12-2012, 10:08 AM
He's big, more mobile than you'd expect from a 6'8" guy and has a live arm and reportedly a very high football IQ so I'm unclear why some people don't like the kid.

Welcome back Footsteps, where ya been?

I don't think it's a case of not liking the kid. The people griping about him is more about the use of a second round pick on a QB project when we are in a win now mode. Personally I agree with the pick.

footstepsfrom#27
12-12-2012, 10:25 AM
Welcome back Footsteps, where ya been?

I don't think it's a case of not liking the kid. The people griping about him is more about the use of a second round pick on a QB project when we are in a win now mode. Personally I agree with the pick.
A 2nd round pick backing up a guy with 4 neck surgeries doesn't seem like a bad idea whe the alternative was Caleb Haney...Nick Foles just supplanted Vick as the starter, and I bet Eagle fans are glad they got him even though they went into the season expecting much better things. Manning can't go forever and I don't see the wisdom of waiting till you need a QB to force a high pick....best time to draft a young QB is 1) when you don't need him, and 2) when he can sit behind an established starter, especially one like Manning that he can learn from. How much better will the next QB be for having sat behinnd a HOFer? See Rivers and Rogers for the answer.

I've been saving the world of course. ;D

BroncoMan4ever
12-12-2012, 10:42 AM
He's big, more mobile than you'd expect from a 6'8" guy and has a live arm and reportedly a very high football IQ so I'm unclear why some people don't like the kid.

I think it has more to do with fans wanting Lavonte David or a contributor in the 2nd round instead of a QB a few years away from starting.

baja
12-12-2012, 10:42 AM
A 2nd round pick backing up a guy with 4 neck surgeries doesn't seem like a bad idea whe the alternative was Caleb Haney...Nick Foles just supplanted Vick as the starter, and I bet Eagle fans are glad they got him even though they went into the season expecting much better things. Manning can't go forever and I don't see the wisdom of waiting till you need a QB to force a high pick....best time to draft a young QB is 1) when you don't need him, and 2) when he can sit behind an established starter, especially one like Manning that he can learn from. How much better will the next QB be for having sat behinnd a HOFer? See Rivers and Rogers for the answer.

I've been saving the world of course. ;D

So you're taking a little vacation before it all ends? ;D

baja
12-12-2012, 10:44 AM
BTW I just noticed your adopted Bronco. You better work on saving Joe mays before you tackle the world.

footstepsfrom#27
12-12-2012, 10:50 AM
So you're taking a little vacation before it all ends? ;D
No I've only got 9 days so I'm working overtime. ;D

baja
12-12-2012, 10:53 AM
No I've only got 9 days so I'm working overtime. ;D

Well you can cut your work load if you let Texas go. ;D

errand
12-12-2012, 10:55 AM
He's big, more mobile than you'd expect from a 6'8" guy and has a live arm and reportedly a very high football IQ so I'm unclear why some people don't like the kid.

Some wanted a defensive player instead....others still butthurt about that other guy....and others wanted someone else for QBOTF. Take your pick.....

v2micca
12-12-2012, 11:00 AM
He's big, more mobile than you'd expect from a 6'8" guy and has a live arm and reportedly a very high football IQ so I'm unclear why some people don't like the kid.

I can't speak for others, but I'm always wary of a player that tattoos a yearbook quote on his arm.......and spells it wrong.

Maybe this makes me shallow and superficial, but I would honestly feel a lot better about him if he would just get a dermatologist to correct the spelling.

IA-Broncosfan53
12-12-2012, 11:21 AM
Bad pick to begin with. Started one freaking season on a team that had a losing record! This draft as we all knew and is now manifesting itself was loaded with qb talent, and who did the Broncos draft? A family friend, the best friend of John's son.

I hope I am proven wrong, but I hated the pick then (I wanted Foles, a much more proven player) and I hate it now. Brock should have stayed in school to continue to develop his "raw" talent as all the experts have claimed of him. He would have gained valuable experience, you know since he started all of 14-15 games in his entire college career? Not to mention, he was racking up these statistics in a watered down PAC 10 conference.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2012, 11:30 AM
who did the Broncos draft? A family friend, the best friend of John's son.

And here is why people hate the guy. They hate him because they have the moronic idea that he was drafted because of his friendship with Jack Elway.

Brock may end up being a bad pick, who knows. I'm not claiming him to be the next big thing. But I think John Elway, between the Manning signing, the Tebow trade, getting Koppen, getting Holliday, etc. has earned a lot of trust from Bronco fans. I think he should be given some slack. The idea that he put his personal relationships before this team's is so ridiculous it's insane.

Mountain Bronco
12-12-2012, 11:42 AM
The entire chiefs game if seeding is set and we are 3rd or 4th, unless Manning says he wants to work out some kinks, then 2nd half.

Mountain Bronco
12-12-2012, 11:43 AM
Bad pick to begin with. Started one freaking season on a team that had a losing record! This draft as we all knew and is now manifesting itself was loaded with qb talent, and who did the Broncos draft? A family friend, the best friend of John's son.

I hope I am proven wrong, but I hated the pick then (I wanted Foles, a much more proven player) and I hate it now. Brock should have stayed in school to continue to develop his "raw" talent as all the experts have claimed of him. He would have gained valuable experience, you know since he started all of 14-15 games in his entire college career? Not to mention, he was racking up these statistics in a watered down PAC 10 conference.

He is learning far more from being around and watching PFM than he would have at Arizona freaking State.

IA-Broncosfan53
12-12-2012, 01:57 PM
He is learning far more from being around and watching PFM than he would have at Arizona freaking State.

That may well be true, obviously I hope it is. But you could have picked anyone to study underneath Manning, and just because he is doing so under Manning doesn't guarantee to translate to anything. He also cost himself millions of dollars but not staying and coming out with a weaker qb class. Only time will tell if he made the correct decision to leave early.

However there is no substitute for experience, not even knowledge.

I trust John. I have been on board since day one with him given the success former players seem to be having across the league in similar positions, such as the team the Broncos play this week with Ozzie Newsome. But it's human nature to gravitate towards and have stronger positive connections to things/people we are already familiar with. If you don't think the decision to draft Osweiler wasn't impacted by a personal familiar relationship even in Elway's most subconscious levels, you are fooling yourself. Perhaps the decision wasn't entirely predicated (I can't possibly imagine it was) on their relationship, but without question to me the thoughts of his son were somewhere in his mind when he drafted Brock.

Rolandftw
12-12-2012, 02:23 PM
If the seeding is set going into the last week, then hoping Manning just plays a series or two and then goes to Brock.

DBroncos4life
12-12-2012, 02:36 PM
I can't wait for him to blow up and have the media tripping over themselves to revisit this epic QB class. :)

Bronco Yoda
12-12-2012, 02:51 PM
Last min. of this years Super Bowl when we're running the clock out against the 49'rs.

broncogary
12-12-2012, 03:02 PM
Last min. of this years Super Bowl when we're running the clock out against the 49'rs.

You mean the Buccaneers. :wave:

schaaf
12-12-2012, 03:58 PM
I don't want to see him at all. My first game since 2006 is going to be the KFC game, and I swear to god if Brock plays the whole game im ****ting on the 50 yard line.

Bacchus
12-12-2012, 04:07 PM
2015

errand
12-12-2012, 05:35 PM
And here is why people hate the guy. They hate him because they have the moronic idea that he was drafted because of his friendship with Jack Elway.

Brock may end up being a bad pick, who knows. I'm not claiming him to be the next big thing. But I think John Elway, between the Manning signing, the Tebow trade, getting Koppen, getting Holliday, etc. has earned a lot of trust from Bronco fans. I think he should be given some slack. The idea that he put his personal relationships before this team's is so ridiculous it's insane.

Well said....rep!

Also add in that this Iowa guy was butthurt the Broncos didn't draft Foles...

errand
12-12-2012, 05:44 PM
But you could have picked anyone to study underneath Manning

And they did just that when they selected Brock Osweiler


But it's human nature to gravitate towards and have stronger positive connections to things/people we are already familiar with. If you don't think the decision to draft Osweiler wasn't impacted by a personal familiar relationship even in Elway's most subconscious levels, you are fooling yourself. Perhaps the decision wasn't entirely predicated (I can't possibly imagine it was) on their relationship, but without question to me the thoughts of his son were somewhere in his mind when he drafted Brock.

Ok, even if the deciding factor between him and some other player was due to his son's personal relationship with Brock...big deal. I recall Tommy Lasorda drafting his Godson as a favor to his friend.....and Mike Piazza ended up hitting .308 with 427 HR's and 1337 RBI's.




in bold

maher_tyler
12-12-2012, 06:47 PM
Chiefs game and only if there isn't any way we can get a first round bye.

canadianbroncosfan
12-13-2012, 04:45 AM
I figure after we're up 45-0 at the half against the Ratbirds, it would make sense to play him.

ZONA
12-13-2012, 10:21 AM
A 2nd round pick backing up a guy with 4 neck surgeries doesn't seem like a bad idea whe the alternative was Caleb Haney...Nick Foles just supplanted Vick as the starter, and I bet Eagle fans are glad they got him even though they went into the season expecting much better things. Manning can't go forever and I don't see the wisdom of waiting till you need a QB to force a high pick....best time to draft a young QB is 1) when you don't need him, and 2) when he can sit behind an established starter, especially one like Manning that he can learn from. How much better will the next QB be for having sat behinnd a HOFer? See Rivers and Rogers for the answer.



Excellent view of the situation. I couldn't agree more. Rep

footstepsfrom#27
12-16-2012, 07:52 AM
And here is why people hate the guy. They hate him because they have the moronic idea that he was drafted because of his friendship with Jack Elway.

Brock may end up being a bad pick, who knows. I'm not claiming him to be the next big thing. But I think John Elway, between the Manning signing, the Tebow trade, getting Koppen, getting Holliday, etc. has earned a lot of trust from Bronco fans. I think he should be given some slack. The idea that he put his personal relationships before this team's is so ridiculous it's insane.
Agreed. I've been cautious to jump on the Elway bandwagon before seeing evidence he knows what he's doing in the front office but I do think he knows what he's looking at when he watches a QB play and this kid has the arm, the athleticism and the football IQ to be trusted, not to mention that the iimpact of having your QBOTF sit at Manning's feet is worth a whole lot as opposed to drafting one two years later who wouldn't.

Bacchus
12-16-2012, 08:16 AM
Agreed. I've been cautious to jump on the Elway bandwagon before seeing evidence he knows what he's doing in the front office but I do think he knows what he's looking at when he watches a QB play and this kid has the arm, the athleticism and the football IQ to be trusted, not to mention that the iimpact of having your QBOTF sit at Manning's feet is worth a whole lot as opposed to drafting one two years later who wouldn't.

I think Elway also understood that Oz was raw an needs time to develop which is perfect because he isn't going to be needed by Denver for 3 years. Oz just needs to be patient and soak up as much info as possible.

st.bernard
12-16-2012, 08:25 AM
He needs to sit and learn. IMO

broncocalijohn
12-16-2012, 12:27 PM
This might happen today if we can score another td.

lolcopter
12-16-2012, 12:45 PM
2015

footstepsfrom#27
12-16-2012, 01:00 PM
and there he is...

Agamemnon
12-16-2012, 01:38 PM
I almost voted for option #4, but I'm leery of judging players before they ever play. Still I kind of threw up in my mouth watching clips of the guy playing in college.

fontaine
12-17-2012, 04:52 AM
2015 after Manning retires and Oz is competing against Matt Flynn for that starter's job.

Drek
12-17-2012, 05:38 AM
I almost voted for option #4, but I'm leery of judging players before they ever play. Still I kind of threw up in my mouth watching clips of the guy playing in college.

He'll be nothing like his college self by the time he sees the football field as a Bronco. He'll be completely different by the start of next season, and only continue to grow from there.

I've never been a big advocate of the pick and still think we'd be better off if we'd taken Lavonte David or Rueben Randle, but Osweiler was drafted based on the raw natural talent he has and the belief by the FO that they can coach him into being a more under control, more cerebral player who still has that cannon arm, massive frame, and good mobility.

Broncos_OTM
12-17-2012, 09:12 AM
I think kc would be a good bait dog for OZ.